Dead Space: The Dead Space Retrospective 

I think this is the best explanation on the matter.

​@@AvalancheReviews Wow, im so flattered. Love the channel by the way.

Okay, that does it. Firing it up before my personal October games of horror fest to see if I can objectively discredit my sentiments on the matter.

Definitely goes from survival to action by the end of the first game... But only if you've actually learned how to handle your main weapon and didn't really bother with multiple weapons.

So difficulty dictates if it’s Survival Horror or not? Isn’t that subjective

Yes. I couldn't have put it better myself.

"it was a pinnacle of sci-fi horror" Hahahahahaha, don't do drugs anymore, seriously...

@@Yussnan84. I see you dislike opinions. Did it hurt?

@Rob Tin Want to compare the Assembly cut to the Awakening DLC?

Well I wouldn’t say the third was to bad it just wasn’t that scary compared to others.

I never even noticed. I guess it now makes sense why there was 12 chapters, when a few chapters were short as hell.

@@trouslinabone I like to imagine they did that purely because of that easter egg lol

Dead Space 3 does the same thing (THE MOONS ARE AWAKE or something)

Same man... same :,(

The first game I ever played, that had everything I ever wanted in it.

Same here 👍, I'm thinking of a getting a small marker statue.

@@Jebus53 Smaller? Mine isn't big enough, and it take half my living room. Still doesn't do it justice.

Hmm well I can recall with any game how my life was. But I remember exactly with dead space 2 that I was heading for that stupid looking hive and had played the game alone for hours so I was so done at that point I just went to make bacon and drink a big glass of milk.

Just like the fact that Silent Hill will fade away from existance forever.

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EA killed a lot of devs. Bought them up, then didn't allow them to make the games they were great for, and then shut them down. RIP Westwood Studios, Pandemic, Visceral Games, Bullfrog, etc.

Are you guys really depressed or just throwing the word freely out there. Be happy that it happened not sad about that it ended. I have been on sick leave for 3 years because of very hard depression but companies gettin shut down isnt one of those reasons I am being depressed. I am glad that I played Dead Space and Dead Space 2, great games. Imagine if those never happened or if Dead Space was still here following the direction of Dead Space 3 and EA would be cashing the shit out of that series. It's fine as it is and will live forever in our memories.

Ea and Konami, being nothing but Horrible companies ever since the 2010s. You just wish that never happen but......you know what happens

Replayed it during lockdown. On PC. With headphones. Whole different experience than my first playthru in 2009ish on Xbox 360. Enjoyed it immensely both times. 2009 it felt like a creative non traditional shooter. In 2020, it SCARED THE LIVING FUCKING SHIT OUT ME!

@@milkapeismilky5464 u should try to downscale it (resolution) without the anti alasing it looks abit outdated.

the trilogy was on xbox game pass and i played all 3 i really loved the first one and the second, i wasn’t a huge fan of the third one though.

@@thatsreallyam5758 I wasn’t a fan of the 3rd one ether but it was a fun co-op game

I just started playing it yesterday for the first time.

Plasma cutter and Line Gun as it's essentially an XL Plasma Cutter lol 💀

and the almighty pulse rifle

Makes you appreciate our tools more cuz like imagine if a Necromorph like outbreak happened and the limbs was the only way to get the job done, we got chainsaw and all kinds of tools that can cause dismemberment

Was just about to leave this exact comment, I had a great time w/ the mobile game and remember it winning a bunch of awards after launch for its story and gameplay.

The DS mobile game came out in that weird time frame where mobile games were polished and weren´t the full on cash grabs they eventually have become. So sad.

If memory serves I think that by playing it it unlocked certain extras in the DS2 game. Something like circuit node rooms or something

Please explain more if possible

I remember really liking it.

The comics are even better, totally recommend them

The Books are amazing as well!

@@overlordvasquin5184 The books can feel a little like fan fiction for me. But I did really enjoy the story in Martyr, and how it flipped the story of Altman on it's head, and how his actions were spun afterwords... that books was really good at adding to the story of the universe for me.

@@kikiphallin Where to read them?

Emphasis on the NEED

Bruh we really do

And in VR!!

@@JustAnotherGamer1005 oh shit Dead Space in VR done right would be so badass!

I would probably die from a heart attack 😅. I even have trouble getting through RE7 in VR, because those hallways in VR creep me out. And I already got heart attacks with the regular Dead Space 🤪. But I'm so 'addicted' to VR and how it really brings you into the game, I just want to be in that game, even if it scares the hell out of me. Brave in front of the tv, not so brave in VR 🤣

Don't forget the animated movies

Brooo Dead Space Mobile was fire I remember I 100% beat that game, since it was the best mobile game ive ever played

yeah it's really unfortunate how EA made a unique universe inspired by RE gameplay, tweaked to be unique, and just gutted it and destroyed the audience. I remember after finishing this I was super interested in exploring more of this universe. Then after the second I was worried what the future held, then after number 3.... i knew it was over. Still hoping EA try's to revive it with a talented team... but knowing them it'll be a Fortnite clone. sigh

@@Lazrael32 The second was so lame imo. People seem to love it but I never really got what supposedly made it improve. Then 3 was not DS at all

I'm fine with just a New Nightmare video.

Oh yeah, the series that cemented the popularity of survival horror. That would be awesome! Lets hove hope Jared, and his honey smooth voice is up for that too. 😁

Playing now, not that good tbh

Only if he does it after fatal frame

mike carbny : new nightmare 💚💙

Works with the air vent propellers too! 2nd game dumbed down the mechanic by removing almost all physics damage outside of penetrations and effect barrels.

My favorite part is in the near end of the last game. Where theres this alien power that lets you directly PULL off the limbs with telekinesis. Great game and player progression

That trick only really works in the sequels. If you try to do that in Dead Space 1 you just kinda bonk the necromorphs with the bladed arm and they keep coming at you like nothing happened. But oh boy, is it satisfying to do in the sequels.

@@falcoon_f_zero9450 Um, no. It works very well in the first game, you just need the skill to actually aim the blades at limbs.

@@Boltscrap Trust me, I've tried it many times. I set up the necromorph blade horizontally and throw it at their kneecaps but it just bounces off, the necromorph does a little stagger and keeps coming. It almost never cuts off the limb you're aiming at, especially on hard mode and beyond. I think I managed to cut off a limb from a necromorph by throwing a blade at it once, but even then I had softened that body part with a few plasma cutter shots. Actually I think that a thrown blade is the equivalent of an unupgraded plasma cutter shot, since you have to repeat many times on one limb to cut it off. So not very useful, even for saving ammo.

Yeah, I wish I would have included that little fact in the video.

No, I read it was because System Shock rights were a complete mess (which is true) and EA couldn't get them. That also explains why it's an original title from EA of all people.

That's only on new game plus. On a new file the camera is locked facing forward until he puts his helmet on.

@@Mothbean oh! I didn't know that but I think it's different on pc because that's where I saw it and I never beat it on pc

@@DaltonGoesSlow That's really odd. I've only ever played the PC version and I've never been able to move the camera in a new save.

@@Mothbean unless I've beaten it on pc and didn't know. Also there's big controller issues with pc Version so that might make a difference

@@Mothbean You can rotate it in new save, I can confirm since I just replayed the game from scratch (NG) a few weeks ago. Specifically, you can rotate the camera around Isaac AFTER Kellion crashes into Ishimura, but before you get up from your seat. Isaac starts looking around the inside of the Kellion, and that's when you can rotate the camera.

Vandal

I just rain down fire on the necromorphs with the pulse rifle. Which is my favourite weapon in the franchise.

Pulse rifle was good for range and force gun helped you create space if they got too close for the rifle's secondary fire to be effective. Damn this game was so fucking good

@@adamaalishsiddeeg2153 Reminds me when markiplier played. He made a pulse rifle only challenge

It is the best, no doubt about it. It had flaws, but to me they were one of the best games I played. This is will remain in my heart, with Mass Effect, Bioshock and F.E.A.R.

@@adamaalishsiddeeg2153 yes , these are also very good games , especially bioshock. what all these games have in common is that thick atmosphere , so fucking thick you can swim in the air . In my opinion , bioshock did it best , but all of these games did a magnificent job on that .

survival horror games force you to survive based on what is provided to you, while action horror games progressively give you options in the game to keep you engaged in the actions while still providing horror elements. games like outlast you'll spend more time going " why cant i do this" " why cant i just pick up a weapon and fight the monsters" or " why does my character run like he's 200 pounds overall" just simple examples of how survival horror games force you to stick to the narrative that your rarely able to defend yourself, whereas action horror games like dead space and re4 allow you the ability to combat the horror with new weapons, ways to kill, while also pacing the horror elements, adding new new monsters the oversimplification extends not just to games, people say friday the 13th and nightmare on elm street are HORROR movies but they actually slashers/thrillers, but now as long as you get scared in a movie they put the " horror" label on it, people go see a movie and they go " i was more shocked then horrifed, it was BAD horror movie" but in reality it was actually a thriller/slasher

@@bennefib thanks for the explanation! A winner is you

@@bennefib I disagree with the sentiment that slasher movies aren't horror. Horror is a huge, broad genre, and slashers most certainly fit into the genre, categorizing them with thrillers is entirely inaccurate. A thriller would be a movie like Joker, where it's violent, tense, and dark, but you're not necessarily supposed to be afraid, just on the edge of your seat, almost excited for the next shocking thing that happens next. Slashers are essentially just watching people try to defeat a near unkillable serial killer. A movie like Se7en wouldn't be counted because the actual murderer does not have an active presence in the plot even though they do have a direct effect on its events, as compared to Halloween where Myers is front and center in the plot and the horror of the film rather than seeing the aftermath of his rampage and trying to figure out his motivation. Thrillers are movies in entirely different genres with horror aspects in them, slashers are a subgenre of horror just as much as a psychological, body, or supernatural horror movie would be. Most people who aren't avid watchers of the genre or had no definition of it would say "I was more shocked than horrified", but horror IS just any movie/game that is intended to spark dread and fear in you without making it something you're actively hyped for like a tense car chase in an action movie. One causes anxiety, the other causes excitement, and I think that's the main difference. Action-horror is still horror because every encounter is anxiety-inducing, but the difference between action and survival is that you eventually gain the means to combat the horror as it builds with you. RE4 could be both fun and terrifying, whereas I'd fail to explain the fun in a game like Silent Hill 3 or RE2 (although I'm sure some people could the same way people could find joyous excitement in, say, Alien). Those are just my thoughts on the differentiation, I know a genre as broad as horror can be pretty interpretive though.

Yeah and then he hopefully never has to mention it again

nah other people are correct for calling dead space survival horror, action horror is just a way to say that "it's survival horror but you have a gun to shoot back" to distinguish it from games like Outlast, but they both fall under the survival horror subgenre. Don't forget that resident evil is the game which basically invented the survival horror game genre to begin with and now people would argue that those type of games are action horror instead?

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Oh my god. That's good

Jeffrey Epstein is alive !

Woah even till this day I never knew that wtf

@The Brethren Moons it's not like everyone is paying attention to every small detail in every game they play

And was the guy that got kicked into the pit during THUS IS SPARTA!!! In 300

Oh shit! That guy's been in so much, and I never recognize him. That's insane! He did a great job in Dead Space.

@@AvalancheReviews kinda like a bootleg candyman. Gotta respect him.

Haven't you seen METROID upgrades=suit upgrades?!

It's actually not the same actor, the guy in the RE movie is played by Colin Salmon, the guy in Dead Space is played by Peter Mensah.

Same!

Same but I am at work!

With that kind of attitude our future is bright.Lol

Sebastian Sochanski it’s a rough time going to school these days, I don’t blame him

It ran really well but the port was terrible, weird vsync issues, framerate tied to physics and bad mouse acceleration

@@samsniper2000 fair enough. I have just had so many inexcusable performance issues with AAA PC ports so when it looks good and it's easy to get close to 60fps, I get excited.

The Observer still better than games nowadays

Not survival horror

Well said. Same thing can be said for RPGs. Everyone has their own opinion of what makes an RPG based on their first or most favorite RPG game. It's a never ending debate.

The idea of survival is directly related to being in constant need of supplies or being fucked if you run out. I've played all three of these games to completion and in every one I was constantly dropping either ammo or health kits to be able to pick up ammo or health kits. If I'm dropping something necessary then it's not a survival situation. In a survival situation you would never drop something you need. Even in Resident Evil if you put away ammo or health items to pick up a key item, it's always temporary, you always return to get it and in Dead Space this is not the case. Enemies drop items in such abundance that you never run out unless you suck at aiming because the only reason you'd ever run out of either item is due to missing shots and taking unnecessary damage. In this case that is a you problem. He's absolutely correct by not calling this a survival horror. If anything it's more of a horror game with action elements, which is the opposite of what Resident Evil became between 4 and 6.

@@Jes9119 2 months late, but I would like to point out that, just as op has said, the precise definition of genres is subjective, and your idea of Survival Horror is indeed that. For example, in my personal opinion, "Survival" involves resource management rather than having a general lack of resources. To me, Dead Space is stuck in this weird spot between Survival Horror and Action Horror, but I think this actually works in it's favor and makes it unique.

Fuck.................I deserve to be shamed for that.

Avalanche Reviews Shame!

I agree, but I would also add the more realistic approach to its exploration. I loved Doom 3 but just can't get into either Doom 2016 or Doom Eternal. The various design choices of forcing the player to glory-kill enemies just to gain ammo, and constant gymnastics (pole-swinging, platforming, etc) just turn me off and I can't take it seriously. But that's just me and I know that I'm in the minority.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty awesome when I played it too. I think people usually have a distaste for it because it strayed away from Doom's roots of a more "lighthearted" demon shooting game. I also think it's the exact same reason Doom 2016 and, to some extent, the recently released Doom Eternal ended up so praised, they went back to the previous style of game. Both styles worked well for the theme and were fun, some just got angry at this shift I suppose, maybe acting a bit too purist.

Doom 3 is a good horror game, but a terrible Doom game, in Doom i don't want to be scared, i want to be a Demon killer

I love the new DOOM games but your right. Doom 3 was alot better then people think it is.

Dead Space is also backwards compatible on Xbox One X. So it should run fine and look great. I think The entire trilogy is bc too.

@@Gruntvc on all xbox one consoles, not just x

It's all worth it. Creating this stuff is fun as hell!

and Shinji Mikami were talking, and I'm the decider now. HA!

I would have liked to have actually tried it out.

Glad to hear it man! I just finished part 2, and I'm working on the script as we speak. I'll say this, it might be one of the most fun experiences I've had with a game in a fucking decade. Expect a video you're gonna enjoy.

This is copy pasted from another comment because it fits here too. It's not my definition though. I default to the game the coined the term. I think it's fair the game that created the genre gets to define it. Static camera angles, non linear exploration, but not quite open world. Limited inventory. Backtracking in order to collect key items which open up more of the play area, leading to more backtracking. Combat that is both dis incentivized, and not rewarded. I know that sounds like the same thing, but it isn't. Combat has to be detrimental enough, that avoiding it becomes not only possible, but optimal, and downing enemies can't supply you with any extra resources, beyond the benefit of not having that enemy in your way any more. A hard emphasis on puzzle solving and a near adventure game approach to design. Survival horror games are giant puzzles, that sometimes allow you to engage in combat. Every decision from where to go, to what to take with you, needs to be a piece of that puzzle. These decisions need to be available, and they need to rewarded/punished accordingly. Taking too many health items, means not picking up that key item. Taking the short cut, means passing by that enemy that's hard to kill and that means, deciding on whether to spend ammo killing it, or health items dodging it. Pretty much.........just take RE1. If an element in "X" game is present, but not in RE1, that's ok. I like additions to the formula, but if a feature is present in RE1, and not "X: game, it's probably not survival horror.

@@AvalancheReviews That's way too restrictive and also just asinine. As Neil said, genres evolve and their definitions will change and shift over time. Some things that were in RE1 (like the camera angles) were completely incidental to the product and more a result of technical limitations that limited the games at the time. Nobody would say that Super Mario Galaxy wasn't a platformer just because it isn't a 2D 8-bit sidescroller like the original Super Mario Bros. If Resident Evil had been made in first person (as it was originally planned to be), you would be saying the same thing about any horror game that wasn't in first person. Even more to the point, when Resident Evil was made, Capcom didn't set out to create a new genre of horror; it just kind of morphed into being that in the popular consciousness, just like Spaghetti Westerns was more of a pop culture term created to define a specific subset of westerns made in Italy, and only became something of an ill-defined sub-genre of westerns with time. Not everything that was in RE1 was integral to it being survival horror. So what was? Its in the name: Survival: Focused on the survival mechanics, like the management of limited health and resources. Horror: Its a horror story. That's it. That's the only requirements of being a survival horror game. Now, is Dead Space survival horror? Don't know, haven't played it. That being said, it does seem to be an action horror game only because the survival elements seem to be minimal and there is more a focus on shooting everything, turning the game into a shooting gallery. Everything else though, is secondary to those basic aspects.

@@AvalancheReviews I agree with some of what you’re saying here but saying that static camera angles are required to call a game Survival Horror is a little ridiculous imo

@@AvalancheReviews I don't think having to solve puzzles is being a survival horror game.

@@minatoarisatofrompersona3440 Don't treat him like he's an authority on the subject. Dead space is absolutely survival horror, but he's entitled to his opinion.

What a game!! The lore of the creatures in The Suffering is brilliant and the multiple endings was great as well! They even carried the endings of the first game (whichever ending you got in the first) into the sequel so when you started the second game it would begin of how you would’ve left the island, so that’s some good continuity

Domalom 94 honestly man. It terrified me as a kid but it was too damn good of a game and addicting to put it down. I still remember the first time seeing each different type of creature for the first time.

Beefy Chief same here dude, the introduction of the Mainliner got me bad and I was 10 years old when I first played it so it definitely left its mark!

This is the 1st time I've ever seen someone else mention The Suffering! I loved that game

Dylan it’s because it released at a weird time. Resident Evil 4 also came out shortly after which overshadowed every other game that was considered “survival horror”.

I actually don't mind the animated dead space film (downfall I think it's called). Wasn't a fan of the cheesy dialogue or some of the artwork but it's a perfectly serviceable film. I like to think of it as a hungover chill out Sunday film. Avalanche is correct though the game is definitely best going into with no knowledge of what happened and maybe giving the film a go once you completed it.

@@Dan-df1kb True, and I don't even dislike it myself, but also agreed, the story you make in your head is usually better than when they show you. Though that also leads to a strength of the movie having the Animatrix approach with multiple art styles and such, making each part of the story feel skewed to the perspective of the current character. That second movie though, dear lord that cheap CGI. I've legit never finished it just because of how bad that looks. Someday I really need to though.

I never looked at the first film as an Animatrix style film. It's a great comparison thinking about it. My only gripe with the art was some of the more CGI heavy scenes. The scene where the ship cracks the planet comes to mind for me. But yeah other than that and some dialogue it's an enjoyable and inoffensive movie. The second one however jeez, I don't have the words. Awful artwork, terrible story and completely forgettable. Only thing I remember from that movie is Strauss from dead space 2 is in there somewhere and I'm surprised I even remember that lol.

Arc Neo Masato he mentions the movie in the review

@@Dan-df1kb Such hope you've given me for when I attempt to watch it again. lol

Apparently he thinks it games that use the exact mechanics and level building of the early resident evils are "real" survival horror games. Theres a comment way down below or copy pasted more towards the top where he gives an example of a hypothetical game not having one key mechanic of RE1 not not fitting into the survival horror genre. Fucked up

Yeah genres arent that strict

My man! Glad you liked it!

Not a bad idea at all actually. I usually do that in my regular reviews. I kind of liked the seamless nature of going straight from one topic to another. I'll put a poll out of twitter and let's see what everyone thinks.

I like your videos without any cards and breaks

Can pause for an option..

Yeah, they patched it in just after I got Big Boss rank…

Looks like normal difficulty by looking at how the necromorphs go down and how much he takes damage. The game is super generous with resources on the normal mode.

Was wondering that myself and even thought maybe he was confusing this one and Dead Space 2 a little bit where enemies drop resources on death making items very easy to come by in that game.

Happy to give a little entertainment. I have youtube channels I listen to when studying, so it's nice to give that same thing back.

He covered the Silent Hill movies.

The sings are pointing towards yes

@@AvalancheReviews You'll probably never see my face but i want you to know i smiled😂

Avalanche Reviews Ok, that’s great.....but what about the signs?? Seriously though, if you’re a man of your word, you’re going to have to sing an intro when you come to do the comics and movies 😜🤗

Check out Grimbeards series. It's probably the best review of the games you can find. No joke, he's amazing.

@@AvalancheReviews Thanks for the recommendation. I love Condemned second favorite franchise outside RE when it comes to horror

Very happy to hear that. I was worried I didn't cover everything that's special about it.

Going to be honest, I tried the Pulse Rifle and I wasn't a fan of it. Personally, the only weapon you need is the Plasma Cutter but my first playthrough also consisted of the Line Gun as my only backup.

Yawn, you gamers are more anal about your games labels than Tumblr are with their pronouns.

I try

He's an imposter

Dude I was talking to some people in the comments of a Goniloc video, and I was educated that apparently Screamo IS ACTUALLY A GENRE?? Like all the dummies who call any heavy music with extreme vocals screamo like that were still wrong and didn't know what they were talking about, but apparently it's _actually_ existed this whole time, it's like a cross between Emo and Hardcore. Who woulda thunk.

Thanks so much! We're getting there. To be fair, it's already my full time job. So it doesn't need to grow too much more, but that being said, I won't say no to 100k more subs. HA!

God, that would be amazing!

Hell yeah! Good to hear man!

So is does this mean that Dead space is the dark souls of "survival"/action horror? Or am i just being dumb

Whats ya point exactly are you trying to say dead space isn't a survival horror ? Cause it is

@@yoshii9967 It's an awesome and scary 3rd Person shooter with Monsters for sure. But there's no planing or strategy involved. Not every game is a "platformer" just because there's a jump button.

@@chumorgan443 okay I agree but its still a survival horror game

@@yoshii9967 About as much as Devil may cry or God of war.

At 100k subs

@@AvalancheReviews BRB LEMME SHARE

@@AvalancheReviews imma hold you to that!!

That's actually a killer point!