Death Stranding iPhone 15 Pro Performance Review - Struggles to Maintain 30 FPS 

They must port all those games actually if they really wanna compete with the likes of steam and consoles.

I’d pay whatever to play the Silent Hill saga again and be able to download it in any of my Apple devices.

I actually agree with this - there are a lot of games that didn't get a fair shake the first time around that would be great on a phone or a tablet.

Agree with this and many of the older games are actually enjoyable, recently played hitman blood money and it was a ton of fun

Batman arkham series would be good one

Yep, every smartphone company should focus on sustainable performance not peak performance.

I got a liquid cooler for iPhone 15 ;)

@@awesomnalitybu-bu-but the geekbench score, how will apple showcase that they have a faster chip than android an a optimized very inclusive tester🤡

@@nexad3395 Accessories are cute, but don't solve the problem on a hardware level

This! 👆👆👆👆👆 I love this reply@@opticalsalt2306

Nothing. Mobile game devs don’t give a shit about developing quality games. They are rather more focussed on introducing lootboxes and in game currencies and microtransactions.

​@@its_arghoIf you watched the video you'd know why more AAA games aren't on phones, games are simply too big, death stranding being 54 gb as an example, most phones are 128gb.

@@ms7b101games made for a console like the Nintendo Switch would run just fine on the iPhone.

@@ms7b101 It doesn’t have to be 50Gb. There are plenty of quality games for consoles that are smaller in size. Take the Nintendo Switch games for instance. And even some older AAA titles like Witcher and Skyrim and GTA etc.

​@@ms7b101bruh they could port gta v on mobile phone for years now since the released of sd870/880. Phone today are more powerful than switch X3

Same :/

Yeah, it’s so odd Mirage didn’t come out for PS4 and they promised it for the iPhone. At best iPhone 15 Pro is gonna be around PS4 level power, they kinda chose a bad game to advertise. Ubisoft should have chosen the Prince Of Persia, it’s perfect since it already runs great on switch.

@@Dada228822A17 Pro has more computing power than the PS4.

@@Dada228822mirage clearly came out for the ps4 haha. It’s basically a PS4 game ported to ps5 and mobile.

@@Dada228822 If there was a PS3 Pro... that's where iPhone 15 Pro and most of the world's currently more powerful than iPhone 15 Pro phones would be performance wise. Yeah, the A17 or whatever isn't as powerful as the older Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, never mind the enhanced Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 for Galaxy or the new Smartphone 8 Gen 3. Yet any of those phones SoCs with any of their NPUs and RT cores would still be significantly less powerful than a base model PS4... so much so that I will argue that overall, we're really looking at the non-existant PS3 Pro level of performance and visual fidelity coming out of iPhone 15 Pro. That means PS4 games could run on phones today (as we see with Death Stranding here) but at resolutions and framerates well below PS4's level of performance and visual fidelity (as we also see here). This brand new top of the line Apple iPhone is struggling to run a game that was made to run at 1080p30 - with higher quality visuals - for consoles that were released in 2013 for $400.

I’m exactly the same!

nope, you can play all PC AAAA games on android

AAA games will never be on phones because of the lack of active cooling. It's a miracle modern AAA games are running on the switch given its potato hardware, but even though modern smartphones are far more powerful than the switch, the switch has the cooling capabilities. Phones don't

@@someusername1872That‘s a good comparison. The Switch has a tablet chipset from 2015, faaaar far behind an A17 Pro. But thanks the cooling we can have games like Astral Chain or Zelda TOTK maintaining 30fps for most of the time.

​@@kudakudi-jx1keyeah with a black screen or sub 10 fps.

​@@someusername1872even a13 at 4w is faster than a full clocked tegra x1, switch has its low level api and game optimizations to thank. And a totk level game can run on a17 pro at 60fps at 4w, like genshin.

Like the drop from 10watts to 7 watts on the ally is quite laughable. Like it goes from running games at decent fps to just dying. Lowering the resolution and graphics helps a bit but man I wish amd made it so then it could go from 4 watts to 30watts.

We been there a while ago. Just not iPhone

​​@@S0ULS4VERnah, the 8 gen 3 is underclocked when not overheat, the gpu uses 12 watts of power at max. Almost as much as the steam deck. The xhipset would need to be in a steam deck sized device for it to cool properly. You can't really play aaa games on such a power limited device like a phone

I’ve played the pc version and the ps5 version. The phone isn’t the same but it is still an unreal version in its own way. I didn’t upgrade to the 15 pro max for the game but the game is definitely enjoyable and worth its $29AU price… if you have a Mac even better. I’ve had zero crashes.

If you’re expecting console level quality on an iPhone then maybe you need to adjust your expectations? The fact that this game is running on a PHONE at all is incredible

It's ridiculous, the current flagship mobile phones literally destroy every pc gaming desktop from 15 years ago in every aspect.

nowadays game minimum requirement is 720p 60fps unless you playing pixel game dont find any excuses to the phone this phone literately ignoring the cooling and sell user the game that cant run on it

@@Kenny-hy5pj You are right, it's a gimmick at this point, the cooling and battery life issue needs to be addressed before playing AAA games on a phone. But new cpu's are coming with integrated gpu's, AI and stuff, so it's interesting to see where this thing goes.

@@aggelakas They can minimize the heat but they can't make the heat disappear This is according to energy change in physics Unless they break the physics

@@Kenny-hy5pj bro the steam deck doesn't rum most aaa games at 720p 60fps.

Yes I agree mortal kombat would be so easy but they don’t know so much about this field

I'd rather just play using streaming from a PC or console... that kind of nullifies all the reason for cloud saving.

​@@VariantAECNot all trains stay above ground. Not all trains have Wi-Fi on board either.

@@PSYCHOV3N0M So why dont just buy steamdeck or others handheld PC? More games more fps For battery problem just take a powerbank or use power port on the train It also save the money to buy the iphone 15 pro max which is same as last phone the only different is one is stronger and one is weaker other than that is just same

Exactly. You should never play these games for the first time on a phone. It’s meant to supplement the console, not take its place

Since each year we get like 10% more performance, I wouldn’t except the 16 Pro to perfectly run these games

Falta de memória ram, a apple acha que memória não é necessário, provou de seu próprio veneno

High frame for apple fans For gamer the frame rate is hurting their eyes in high price

That’s the metal fx upscaling. That’s why I turn it off in resident evil.

Despite 2 being > 0, I wouldn't call an extra 2fps a HUGE WIN. 🤣🤣🤣

@@PSYCHOV3N0M youre not wrong haha. But it may be the difference in the game feeling smooth if its a capped 30 but averages more like 26-28. And again, from an external cooler Thats pretty cool to see

even with just 2 p-cores the battery life is horrible and the phone heats up, with 4 p-cores the battery would just give up

Its not its strictly the gpu the cpu is so much more powerful than the ps4 and xbox one even steam deck it doesnt even matter

@@xtr.7662 I didn't invent it, the Metal HUD shows the Present time and GPU time, the difference between them gives you CPU time which seems to be around 10-14ms, and that is definitely the bottleneck, it shouldn't be higher than 7ms, ideally less than 5ms. The GPU was the bottleneck in few cases where its frame time was around 40ms. Also the Present time is showed in the graph as the blue line, and GPU time as the green line, the further those 2 lines are to each other the more it indicates a CPU bottleneck.

@@jihadrouani5525 definitely not the cpu may cause spikes and stutters but the performance is strictly gpu bottlenecked

@@xtr.7662 The Metal HUD says it's the CPU (60% of the time), A game dev here btw! You can't ignore the data given to you and stick to your beliefs dude, that's not how it works.

It really isn't. My old Xperia Z3 was runing pathtracers in 2014 at nearly 30FPS in 1080p using interlacing. CSR2 which still looks incredible managed to also run on that phone despite the game launching 3 years after that phone's release. Putting that into some perspective... people think FH5 is incredibly detailed and realistic... but car models in CSR2 are actually more detailed than FH5 on PC maxed out.

@@VariantAECwtf no

@@VariantAEC you smokin?

@@TobyMcguarro What do you take issue with?

​@@VariantAECThe bullshit you're talking that CSR2 mobile looks better than Forza Horizon 5 on PC. 🤣🤣🤣

Not really unless they do something about the heat and throttling.

This game runs on the iPhone 14?

Your opinion is factually incorrect he literally just showed the game struggling to maintain an already abysmally low 30fps at 720p with horrendous graphics

@@thraxberserker9960 im just sharing my experience. Im playing the game and its enjoyable

​@@thraxberserker9960it is lower then 720p mh freind that is 300p upscalrd😊

only runs on 15 Pro and Pro Max

not only that but they can sustain higher res because Adreno is that better than gpu in A17

Apple probably funded these ports, so we need a company that uses Android to do the same thing.

@@ThereIsOnlyOneRandom Yes and no, Android still relies on OpenGL ES a bit too much. Preventing a low access to the GPU. Apple's Metal API is a lot better. I'd say it's time for Android to move over to Vulkan exclusively. But it's not happening any time soon.

It’s going to look even worse on iPad

@@MikeCriticalOpsdoubt it. It’ll have different settings for ipad. Just like how RE:Village works best on ipad compared to phone

@@AaBb-id1dm graphics will be the same and it will have to be more upscaled to maintain a 30 fps

@@MikeCriticalOps Can confirm they are not the same. I have both.

no, they all integrated

If they increase resolution then your phone battery life is fucked up.

@@karthikeyan53 then maybe port games that the phone can actually run decently next time

@@thejoltmaster1231 lol. Kojima has no intention in mobile gaming. Apple paid for it. See the touch controls, no effort in that. They just ported just because Apple paid them. Kojima knows that most people won't buy mobile games that's why..

@@karthikeyan53 makes me wonder why they decided to port this game specifically... something like dmc5 or any need for speed game would probably have been better

@@thejoltmaster1231 need for speed, not really, on the steam deck you need to put it at a piss low resolution then upscalle to get more than 20fps on it.

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@@MrMacRight Amazing! Thank you.

Not all, many are realtime

This doesn't mean anything, and it also runs pretty bad. There have been less than a handful of token AAA games on phones.

I'm more amazed that people who can afford either an iphone pro and pro max are hyped for this when you can just buy a next gen console like PS5 which is way way cheaper and have a real gaming experience.

@@Gurenn83and it’s included in the ps plus 😂 and so many other great games

​@@Gurenn83God why won't they just pack their monitors and consoles wherever they go so they can play on the fly??? Some people man...

@@Gurenn83 I get what you mean. I mainly play on my ps5 and pc, but I EXPECT them to play the latest games, since its their main function. The last thing I expect a phone should do is play aaa games and I'm fascinated that we have progress far enough that we are able to do this

A iPhone 15 it’s more powerful than a Nintendo switch

@@Nyto242 it looks like any port for nintendo switch to me

The switch is still alot less powerful than the iphone 15, this port would not run

Isn't Vulkan OpenGL? Isn't OpenGL just custom D3D (aka: DirectX)? Kind of, if we only look at the purpose of all those APIs.

@@VariantAEC my bad mixed it up with MetalFX, which uses code from AMDs FSR.

@@ploed Similar deal, DLSS is the only different upscaling methodology of the new-age. FSR, XeSS, and MetalFX upscaling are all using a pre-configured models to handle AA using a smarter algorithm than standard TAA.

Wouldn't be much better, the game is cpu limited and the xpu in the 8 gen 3 is worse than the a17 bionic

I have an iphone as well but I am not willing to sacrifice its battery and performance when I can just play on my PS5 and my 55" OLED TV. I am not playing on a small screen just to heat up my phone which is more expensive than my PS5.

I was exited about 3D games on phones in the early 2010s but I didn't play them much because the gaming experience with the on-screen controls and small screen which is also covered by your fingers was so bad none of the games were really something I would want to play. They were good as tech demos but not as actual games. Games like that also need a lot more time to play than most small mobile games that open quickly and can be played for few minutes while waiting for a bus or something. Desktops, laptops and consoles are a LOT better for games that take more time to play, even just the controls and ergonomics alone makes it a lot better gaming experience

The gap will never be closed, unless PC sized phones are in demand

It's just a marketing tactic to say our device can run aaa game

@@crimson414 For a couple of minutes, before screen dims, and you burn your hands.

That kind of thinking is wrong. There are RT benchmarks on phones now. Cool... now what? That's right, nothing! Who cares that this runs when... stuff like this barely runs? Keep in mind that this is the best experience you can have with this game running locally on a phone currently. A $50 game that weighs in at around 54GB (around 1/8th of a currently compatible 256GB iPhone 15 Pro's total storage space). It's a joke. Apple is promoting iPhone 15 Pro as a competent current generation gaming phone... it's not. Can't wait for the Android release for Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 phones. Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 already has better rasterization performance than A16 Pro or whatever is in the iPhone 15 Pro, maybe we'll see a native 720p output on those phones? 😂

@@VariantAEC cool story. Sorry that happened to you or congratulations. I’m not reading that. Stopped reading at “that very way of thinking is wrong”. It’s subjective.

@@TrialbyFire It isn't subjective. There are better places to play this game that are cheaper including on consoles streaming to iPhone (or nearly any mobile device). Your way of thinking allows pubishers to make inferior versions of games and sell them for very high prices for ridiculously overpriced HW that underperforms in gaming related tasks. What is the point of that? The bottom line is that base model PS4s are running this game at a higher resolution and framerate while costing far less. If for some reason you want to boil this down to performance per watt situations and what have you. You ignore the fact that Steam Deck blows iPhones performance and resolution out of the water too while also managing to stay cooler and play for a bit longer on battery. Steam Deck is also cheaper and you aren't wasting 54GB of storage on your phone that can hardly manage to run it anyway.

Exactly

I hope the four games announced for iOS come to Android eventually