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The Mastery Vibrato has been the aftermarket tailpiece of choice for many Fender Jazzmaster and Jaguar players for several years now, but Chris Swope's Descendant Vibrato is an innovative new design that allows the user to adjust the depth of the unit to increase downward tension of the strings at the bridge. Can it knock the Mastery unit off its perch?
Here, Michael James Adams puts both products through their paces and shares his thoughts as we take a deep dive into the world of retrofit offset vibratos.
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@TomsGreenMind 3 года назад

I see Mike Adams talking about offsets, I hit like.

@TheSkinwizard Год назад

I went from a fender vibrato to a descendant. I cannot put into words how much it helped the vibrato feel, but it helped even more so in the aspect of the added tension to the bridge. Feels so much more solid.

@CarsonCostanza 3 года назад

Great background music

@TheBurdenOfHope 3 года назад

You need to get this guy doing more videos! Amazing stuff. I love the comparisons with Leo's original designs as well as the technical details of each part. So sick of generic and vague comparisons and demos!!

@OlMoldy Год назад

puisheen is his channel

@davidlee2790 3 года назад

I’d add that the descendant, with two plates fitted, is particularly good on a Jag where string tension even with 11-49s can be a problem. Made a big difference over the Fender original on mine.

@ryanhurley8170 3 года назад

Great video, Mike!

@lolwithme36dd 3 года назад

Fantastic demo! You have earned another stoked subscriber! Much appreciated! 🙏💯👍🤘😀

@l1feson 3 года назад

Great video, really informative

@noahm 2 года назад

Very well made video, thanks a lot

@krispatel1 3 года назад

I don't own a guitar these would fit on and have no intension of purchasing one however I still watched the entire video. It was very engaging and well thought out

@daniwest1370 3 года назад

Like this content a lot

@imokas 3 года назад

Liked and subscribed. Probably the best RU-vid channel ever!

@adrianseifi3285 3 года назад

Been waiting to hear Puisheen's thoughts on the Descendant for so long. I got ahold of a Descendant for my custom Jazzmaster and there's no going back. I own a '63 original unit, several American Vintage units as well as the American Professional and the Descendant rules them all.

@joebubbit 3 года назад

What bridge do you own? I'm putting together a Jazzmaster and had no idea there were many different trems and bridges. I like the Descendant trem. Just need bridge and saddles. Mastery?

@radio7353 3 года назад

@@joebubbit Try Descendant trem, with a Mastery bridge, yes. It's a wonderful combination.

@joebubbit 3 года назад

@@radio7353 Thanks, I did just that. My guitar plays as well as any custom shop. I'm blown away.

@walterrizotto8668 Год назад

@@joebubbit Swope Companion bridge.

@sethhoward1095 3 года назад

There's a weight difference. Weights from Home of Tone: Fender AVRI unit weight (without arm) - 305g / Mastery unit weight (without arm) - 321g / Descendant unit weight (without arm) - 270g (with both 'shims' installed). Something to consider if you're sensitive to such things and/or the guitar you're considering upgrading is already on the heavy side.

@jmacc9876 3 года назад

Really great video with lots of info, but I'm still left wondering which one has most downward travel (more pitch bending capability).

@hiroprotagonitis 3 года назад

the newest top end jazzmaster trem (american professional ii?) is apparently a really great designll hope fender gives the chance to buy the part by itself soon!

@christianscazzieri 2 года назад

Mike's the Man.

@mitchellprobst616 Год назад

I wonder what your thoughts are on a Staytrem. I'm thinking about putting that collet into my fender AVRI.

@mougabo 2 года назад

thanks!

@gavin4848 3 года назад

I decided to upgrade to the American Vintage vibrato. Hope it fits.

@robertdavis5616 3 года назад

Mastery. For me, thanks, good video !

@marklepley 2 года назад

How did you get a custom Death Star baseplate? That’s awesome.

@bubblepipemedia3414 Год назад

I know it’s a bit late, but wow I would love a bit more EQ to notch that guitar out so I can pay attention to what is being said more easily (or just lower the music or both)

@drewdemaio4162 2 года назад

Man, I'd love to know what Helix patches being used here! Amp models sound amazing to me!

@garyptaszek 3 года назад

The Descendant looks interesting. I’ve got a couple of Mastery vibratos, one with a mastery bridge, and one with a staytrem. The one with the staytrem has an issue where the string touches the back of the bridge behind the saddle, I feel like if I’d opted for the Descendant this issue would’ve been worse.

@shelveDEMO 3 года назад

Whoa, that's kinda unnerving. What guitar is it? Is it all the strings?

@walterrizotto8668 Год назад

Swope's Companion bridge prevents this.

@louisaccardi2268 2 года назад

Hi Mike, your voice is outstanding for this type of video. You have multi-talents for sure. Nice job.

@CORDUROY00 3 года назад

Polvo at 01:32?

@redcomn 3 месяца назад

Which one have the rocking action?

@ethanstockleyyoung5958 2 года назад

Where did you get that Roswell pickup

@GrinningFeline Год назад

As soon as I heard Mike I knew I clicked on the right vid

@TheDistortions 3 года назад

who made that jazzmaster with the 2 humbuckers, the rainbow foil, and the lipstick pickup on the wrong side of the bridge? it's awesome.

@ZachariahConnor 3 года назад

Shelton Electric Instruments!

@Jaysthename Год назад

I don't know if they were the first, but I seem to recall that a pickup behind the bridge on a JM was popularized by Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo (Sonic Youth).

@Larry21924 5 месяцев назад

This is absolute perfection. I recently read a similar book, and it was absolute perfection. "Better Sleep Better Life" by William Brook

@JustaRandomGuy890 Год назад

Can you pull the tremelo the opposite way to make it like a bend? Like how you can do so in the stratocaster

@dougkuhns 3 года назад

So two questions @guitar, first at 1:07 what are you playing as far as the guitar itself? Then what is the song you are playing?

@brunoantony9257 24 дня назад

what is the gray guitar?

@ChrisJoyeMusic 8 месяцев назад

What about the bridge? Should I get a matching brand one or is a generic bridge sufficient?

@bobolson5423 9 месяцев назад

curious if anyone has tried on an SG?

@Sylkis89 Месяц назад

Will these work with a Bass VI?

@ijohndear 7 месяцев назад

I have a client that wants a replacement tremolo that has the deepest detuning effect. Almost like a floyd rose drop. What would you reccomend?

@DelScully 2 года назад

I got a mastery bridge on my Jazzmaster but am wondering if I should upgrade to the vibrato as well. I don't mind the stock one on it, but the arm doesn't stay in place at all, unless I push it in just a bit harder than normal and keep it in that spot.. Just one slight touch and it goes back to swinging around again though. It's a MIM TVL Jazzmaster , not sure if the AVRI ones have better trems than the mexican ones or if they're the same? Is it worth the upgrade or should I just stay used to the trem arm swinging around like so many people do?

@rabokarabekian409 Год назад

old school: use pliers with a good grip to carefully bend the arm end a teensy bit and check the fit each time. Permanently done.

@mindblazemtg1608 Год назад

But what about the Hanlon one?

@monmixer 2 года назад

So does the descendant eliminate the need for a neck shim being the break angle behind the bridge is steeper?

@thenewmedic Год назад

That's the idea.

@connordrysdale5333 3 года назад

What is that middle pickup? Looks amazing!

@AdaSoom 2 года назад

I know it's a year late but it's a curtis Novak gold foil pickup

@leonblankenship261 2 года назад

I like both of these units, and currently have a Descendant vibrato on my Squire Jaguar. The only thing that is lacking to make either of these models is the lack of trem locking lever. Are these never a feature of the after market vibratos because of a Fender patent?

@tendingtropic7778 Год назад

why do yu miss the trem lock lever?

@Jaysthename Год назад

@@tendingtropic7778 A broken string will change the overall tension put the guitar out of tune. If you can stop and change the string immediately then a lock isn't really necessary, but if you need or want to carry on (during a show for instance) then having a lock allows a player to return it to the "in tune setting" and continue playing with just five strings, which could be a lifesaver in those rare instances.

@blindsidedka 3 года назад

Get the Descendant. Mastery has seriously let me down with the fact that they WON'T SELL YOU A VIBRATO BAR SEPARATELY. They won't tell why, only that you shouldn't remove the arm... how the hell will that work when i have a hard case? Several people have experienced this, and it's such a shame that a very good unit from Mastery has otherwise shoddy customer service.

@shelveDEMO 3 года назад

I just shut the case right on the arm. That's what they tell you to do & I haven't had any issues whatsoever. Definitely felt weird to do at first but I love it - don't need to screw/pop in the arm every time I play.

@strobelightstrobelight 3 года назад

I would never imagine that. Bye Mastery option!

@TheMyndsurfer 3 года назад

I have Mastery Vibrato's on both my American Vintage Jaguar and my Professional Series Jazzmaster. You just close both Fender cases with the Vibrato's on, as Mastery suggests. You take the guitars out, and neither of them are out of tune. No problem. I have had the Jag. since 2008 and the Jazzmaster for 12 months. No problem.

@DelScully 2 года назад

closing the case with the arm on isn't bad for the guitar at all.. Technically speaking it might be even better as there will be slightly less tension on the neck with it depressed from the case. I pull the arm out of my regular Jazzmaster before going in the case and this just caused it to become loose, now it just swings around wherever it wants.

@slimturnpike Год назад

So which is better?

@SMAWA9 3 года назад

❤️

@kmatax9237 3 года назад

What are those split pickups on the jaguar?

@8polar 3 года назад

Fender XII pickups. It is a partscaster Jaguar with 60s body and neck and custom-made pickups a la Fender XII.

@user-ps4hw4rh5v Год назад

what pickups are in that blue JM?

@johnbeddoe782 9 месяцев назад

also wanted to know

@MrTylero28 Год назад

Chris Swope genuinely can’t make anything bad. I think it goes against everything that he is.

@jacobperez576 2 года назад

Can someone please tell me what that split pickup offset is and where I can get one.

@Deaf_Notes 2 года назад

It's a vintage fender jaguar he modified with a set of pickups from a fender electric 12 string, he has a video where he goes through all his guitars and he shows this one off more, the channel is called "puisheen"

@andychase7693 3 года назад

According to your parting comments, to quote, "I've been Mike" (etc.) Were you someone other than Mike before, and (or) are you someone/something other than Mike now? I'm not trying to pry or trigger anything in you, but if you are now someone or something other than Mike now, how shall we address you? I hope you are doing well in your current incarnation, and please thank Mike for the informative video, if he still exists.

@chrisst8922 3 года назад

I love the 'I've been Peter' or 'I've been Jill' thing, always makes me smile, if you will, at this moment in time.

@chriswhrtn 2 года назад

mike has the best guitars

@ciantisdall 3 года назад

If is possible to buy screws for the tremolo plate that are flat top instead of the domed ones? I have a MIA thin skinn jazz with the stock tremolo setup, My high e keeps snapping?

@banjo7598 3 года назад

What is that Charcol metallic guitar?

@MidtownSkyport 3 года назад

Partscaster Jaguar with 60s body and neck and custom-made pickups a la Fender XII I'm sure there'll be pics and more details on Mike's ig @puisheen

@O-YAMA 2 года назад

charcoal frost metallic

@josheherenman8926 3 года назад

Anyone know what pickups the speaker looking one are?

@telefunkenyou47 3 года назад

Josh eherenman - It's a Gold Foil pickup. I'm not sure on which brand but it would be easy to figure it out by looking it up. Gold Foil pickups came on cheap Japanese guitars and people are rediscovering their lo-fi sound now that many companies are making them in standard replacement pickup sizes. Ry Cooder digs them and I think they are an good pairing on Jazzmasters & Jaguars guitars.

@josheherenman8926 3 года назад

@@telefunkenyou47 I found them. Thank you for the insight.

@hiroprotagonitis 3 года назад

@@josheherenman8926 for anyone else, he goes over them on one of his channel here as puisheen - its the c3po guitar

@alexfilacchione3032 3 года назад

I jusgt want to know what the color of the Jaguar is! It looks like some sort of purple,.,,,?

@pinheadgringo 3 года назад

I think that's Charcoal Frost Metallic.

@brain21 3 года назад

@@pinheadgringo You're right. At 4:45 it has a purplish hue. It must be the lighting. It is clearly Charcoal Frost as you can see at the beginning of the video

@whodunitpros8555 3 года назад

The volume on the background music over powers the voiceover ... also some of the descriptions detail do not seem relevant to the video elements.

@ernststavroblofeld2109 Год назад

those needle nose pliers on that brass nut.

@RussArteaga 3 года назад

The Descendant looks like it might have issues with Fender Bullet strings. Of course I may be the only human on the planet to actually prefer them. lol

@telefunkenyou47 3 года назад

Russ Arteaga - I've been trying to get bullet Voodoo sets (10-38) but I can't find them in stock at the moment.

@ThomasGeist 3 года назад

Tightening a nut with pliers instead of a wrench huuuurts! 😬😢

@jimmythefish 3 года назад

I made a yelp when I saw that. Oh the teeth marks in the brass nut.

@ernestschultz5065 3 года назад

Nice ad

@visje1996 3 года назад

Oof who uses pliers on a nut?? People who call it a bolt I guess but that hurts to see man

@rabokarabekian409 Год назад

itsme1955: All a good man needs is to have him a case knife and vicegrips, ya'll. Hit heps relicking, ya know it?

@sharonlee4773 Год назад

That background racket needs lowering when the talking is going on!

@ryaandnice Год назад

A guy going after a brass nut with needle nose pliers! NOOoooooo! Put that down good sir!!!

@whodunitpros8555 3 года назад

I found the background music a distraction at that volume.

@The504lego 3 года назад

You must have adhd

@chrisst8922 3 года назад

But if it had been louder, I mean much louder that would have been fine.

@pyrimid 2 года назад

I’m guessing you listen to whatever the radio tells you too. Just stop playing music then.

@rabokarabekian409 Год назад

Eh. The fake "jazz" trem on my Jay Turser project guitar just needed a little smoothing with a jeweler's file, oil, and adjustment. It's not magic. Do a little look and see, fix for me. Mine has been faultless for seven years since I tinkered for 10 minutes. As a matter of fact it's the only thing left from the original guitar other than the body and the neck.

@ice9snowflake187 3 года назад

Neither of these vibratos have a Trem-O-Lock. You need the Trem-O-Lock!

@neilaspin008 Год назад

I've just bought a MIM Jaguar (which plays like an absolute dream btw) and guess what? No lock!....I was stunned.

@tendingtropic7778 Год назад

why do you need that

@ice9snowflake187 Год назад

@@tendingtropic7778 It's part of the system. You balance the vibrato spring tension with the lock as a reference. the lock also ensures tuning stability if a string is broken, or if one wishes to tune down to a dropped D tuning or some such.

@chrisvalleqatsi 3 года назад

WHY ARE YOU USING NEEDLE NOSE PLIERS ON A BRASS NUT FFS! GAAAH! sorry

@modestoney1577 11 месяцев назад

Meh. A good set up orginal Fender Trem works perfectly fine and is in my opinion one of the best trem system designs. As long as it is not broken/faulty I feel no need to throw my hard earned money at anything else. Nice commercial though.