Destiny 2 - WITNESS SPECIES CREATED THE VEX? Glass-Minds and Winnowing 

The Witness precursor species may have used or been in connection with the Vex! Glass-Minds that allowed them to narrow down specific futures and outcomes. While we still need more answers, this definitely seems like a hint!

One of the predictions relayed from the Observatory reads: 'Machine-plagues carving their prediction-machines into moons.' That fits the D1 description of the Vex pretty good as well. Converting entire plantes to machine.

Calling it now, the character RS is the one that keeps sending the stranger back in time each time she fails to stop the darkness

Synthetic pale heart, garden, glass mind.. too many similarities between the vex and their makers

I feel like the vex is almost like a prediction engine running rampant. Perhaps the precursors found the vex when they were just radiolaria, and utilized them, but as the radiolaria learned from base info the precursors fed the vex-powered prediction machine, the vex desired to know everything, and eventually decided to try to forcefully integrate everything into their network. Think about it

So what if this all knowing all seeing Vex mind saw that it was not a part of the Final Shape and has been pushing humanity and the Guardians to the place we needed to be to beat the Witness and prevent the Final Shape. Now that could be some amazing storytelling, and would explain those random people who get caught in the Vex but are still able to communicate. They are tools to an end. Not mistakes but deliberate choices made by the Vex to the end I predicted.

The Vex are a Radiolaria hive mind. Radiolaria have shells made of silica. Silica being what glass is made out of. Many Radiolaria shells are transparent. (And while not really realated to the topic they look reaaal funky, look it up). Glass minds is honsestly a viable synonym for the Vex generally speaking, not just some specialized units.

I've always been wondering who or what created the vex ever since d1, finally have some answers!!!

Not gonna lie was hoping this was gonna be one of the mysteries we went down the rabbit hole in the next saga

All the lore on the precursor species has been phenomenal so far-definitely amping up excitement for the Final Shape

Awesome video man, you're pumping these out pretty quickly!

For a moment, I had the thought that the Vex are the same as the precursors except they do not have the intelligence to fully utilize their technology, and that's why they didn't get caught up into the philosophical dilemmas that the precursors did, as well as Maya Sundaresh on Neomuna. And that's why they achieved the 'final shape' in their 'instance of reality'. It's like a physicist getting caught up in theoretical math, and a calculator. The Physicist will get caught up exploring one set of variables, thinking they are approaching enlightenment but never will. Yet the calculator will only use what it needs, and thus, will reach a higher state of enlightenment in the end. So, perhaps the Vex started out as a computational tool for the Precursors, and as both evolved, one actually advanced, and the other 'stalled out' and forced an unnatural evolution to get out of it. I think too much. I'll never reach my final shape at this rate.

@EvazeOfficial Glass can also refer to the underlying computational substrate the system is running on. A form of so-called computronium - matter specifically engineered to be optimized for computing use. It's possible that these are optronic in nature - optical electronics- a technology we currently are IRL beginning to make use of. It is very possible that the "glass" is an optimized form of crystalline carbon - diamond - or a near-form thereof (so-called diamondoid). While we associate glass with fragility, this instead would refer to how such a material (which might be QUITE strong indeed!) might look to the naked eye - a crystal, glass-like, mostly clear, with that faceted "diamond rainbow fire" look.

Sweet early comment section. Love the videos Evaze! Keep it up homie!

Sounds like a ret retcon again. The light fall intro of the witnesses people said they found the traveler buried in their planet... and vex were from a different dimension.

Great Uploads these last few days! Thank you and keep up the great work!

Honestly, this is putting the old lore book about the game into a new context. If we see it as a fancied up retelling of the interaction between the precursors and the traveler, we can see how the the vex possibly came to be as a pawn created by the precursors to ensnared the traveler for want of a better way of stating it at this time

Glass mind. It may be what is a theoretically possible type of computer. We call it a molecular computer. Might look like glass if made correctly, maybe leading to the name.

And what of the possibilities trimmed? The ones deemed unlikely, or weak with possibility? My questions would be WHO or what determines this trimming? What are these Glass Minds? A.I. of some description? what is their criteria? And if these precursors created both the Observatory and the Glass Minds, then there is the over arching question as to why? To sieve out the Final Shape? To isolate and identify the most likely possibility?

Is the life in the garden that called out the precursor species of the Witness?

Glass Minds. Weird naming considering we have a divise that has it's entirety of mind within the Vault of Glass Some theories could be that the vex took this kind of literal, making a throne of glass where they purge timelines, that the precursors actually used minds from the vault or that the precursors were inspired by the vex to make that aswell One thing to keep in mind though, The Vex used different things for different effects, for example the Vault of Glass was for purging timelines and controlling time that way. The mercury engine is made so that they simulate possible futures and prevent them, not necessairily purging them like in the vault, just avoiding them in the future. They simulate goals to achieve.

Wait, didn’t Calus call the Vex “mere gardeners”? This ties into the line saying they “trim the branches”.

The name glass minds is probably in reference to the Vex being silicon based life. The Radiolaria is silica based like glass itself (that is why the vault of glass has the glasslike shards and structures)

Glass Minds, kinda makes me think of Glass Needles in D1 Xur inventory days. I don't think there was ever any lore on this item, but it would change the roll on exotic gear, a small little tie in would be maybe like you would be able to change the future? idk. lmfao.

Not to mention were theres a public event called vex convergent where the vex merge together just like the precursor

What if the vex were created by the witness precursors and when all converged into the Witness were abandoned. The vex just adapted and became what they are as we see them. It was mentioned Savathun tricked Crota into cutting into their realm. Savathun had to know of their connection

can't wait for more lore if you still have some thoughts about the collector's edition data

I just want to know about the Traveler. Who is he? Who built him? Why? What does he think?

Nice Theory 👍🏾 I love the Lore

Don't suppose the Infinite Forest is modeled after one of those observatories? Whether conceptually or physically? I'd say there is almost a definitive creator - created narrative with the Vex and Precursors by now. Especially since the way their civilization was described > being one where someone does not need to worry so much, and focus on metaphysical subjects iirc. It'd make perfect sense not only in a realistic way, why 'not' have a robot do this insanely intensive task on brain power, and to give more leisure to those who do not need to hold that occupation any more. Or something like that

You know... Savathun's Oubliette features Precursor Vex Units. I wonder how and where she got those.

Believe I posted this in another Evaze but: What if the Ishtar Collective or at least some of the scientists to include Mya Sunderesh are the proto-Vex or creators. Like at what point did they actually appear in Sol. What if the IC scientists that initially went into the portal were the creators of the Vex or at least influenced enough by radiolaria to create the Vex. Couple that with all the predictive outlets at their disposal (OXA, Rasputin/Soteria, Infinite Forest, etc) and its plausible. Or I'm missing some key lore and this is just head canon.

Maybe it's not the Vex that were created by the precursors. But maybe it's just Vex tech that was found and used by them. Perhaps the Vex interacted with our reality before the Crota stuff. Maybe Echoes will explain the Glass Minds more. I think it's definitely Vex but the Vex seem to be older than the Precursors

Following destiny‘s MO, I expect eventually light worshiping Vex will be revealed in due coarse. Arising from where? I don’t know, perhaps a physical structure symbolizing a corporeal manifestation of the light… having a light tainted Vex emanating from the Travelers sphere would probably be to cliché.

is the hive and lucent brood hive are going to join us in the final shape is to stop the witness?

I feel like they are just referencing that they know who/what the Vex are and what they do. They just have a nickname for them "the Glass Minds". It is possible they "created them" but it's hard to say given the Vex are effectively beyond time due to their ability to time travel. I feel the Vex are like the Worms as in they existed since the beginning of the universe (or VERY shortly after) due to being brought over from the previous "universe/game" (aka, the flower game universe from the garden). Thus, as a result, their Origin is beyond this universe in a way that makes it not incorrect to say, they have always existed.

If the vex are so smart, why can’t they make a shield that doesn’t have huge spinning gaps?

As we saw in shadowkeep, the witness has acsess to the black garden so maybe that means something

Random idea, but What if the final shape, is the witness combining every being in the universe into his collective consciousness?

Web browsing and RU-vid on the go.

It’s been a while since some one referenced Forge of the Gods.

Is it possible that the veil is the glass thingamabob.. . The black heart was an attempted copy of it wasnt it? And isnt the veil sonewhat linked to all universal memory or sonething like that? Just sounds similar in a way.

The glass minds are definitely related to the vault of glass. No doubt.

Really hope we don’t get a back story or origin on the vex. It’s cool that it’s mysterious and we have no idea where they come from.

the most basic example of the vex came from the witness would be the fact that theirs triangular hints

Silica is use in microprocessor manufacturing, also in glass...glass mind ... computer minds...at least in the beginning

What if the vex are from the future where we split the witness back into individual consciousness and the radiolaria is just what’s left of his species

Garden, Precursor, Mind, Glass, Final Shape. I doubt Bungie would use so many shared key words between these factions without intending there to be a connection.

wasnt there a d1 exotic called the glasshouse? is it relevant to this?

I mean, what if the Black Garden was the garden that was destroyed? I am curious as to where it is though, as we've only ever accessed it through portals.

What if the vex are what happened to the precursors that did not want to merge

3:00 is that space engine?

I'm kinda sad the reconned the winnower if the witnesses people made the vex is lore forgot what it was called but in it the winnower (leader/creator of the darkness) and the gardener (same thing as the winnower but light) played a "flower game" in a garden and created the world through playing im pretty sure the garden was the black garden where the vex were made but they changed the winnower to the witness and the gardener to the travlier sorry for the long explanation just wanted to let people know thanks for reading

Before the retcon the vex were the first to win the flower game, the first allowed to persist without being cut at the end of the day, then after the gardener and Winnower decided to become part of the game, they became the tenants of the garden. Their cold logic was one of the reasons they succeeded. This explained why there were in the garden in the first place. Unfortunately, Bungie decided to make this just heretical rantings as they changed direction to better make the narrative fit. The reason they couldn't understand the light or paracausal energy is because they didn't exist when they played the first game. It wasn't till the Gardener became part of it that the light was granted. There is so many things explained but like all of destiny content you wouldn't even be able to learn it cause it ain't in the game anymore.

That device is in the into the light activity

Thats the reason. Vex and the black fleet are always at the same places. The Vex wanted to stop this Version of the final shape... And to create their own.

Vex are either a better version of the Witness or a baby version of the Witness. Working as a collective, terraforming and converting life into Vex, they already have a “Final Shape” similar to the Witness where everything can exist forever in the Vex Network.

Volt of glass Glass Throne ??

Bro glass minds-vault of glass, coincidence? I THINK NOT.

this Precursor business sounds like the Destiny version of Forerunners

The observatory looks at 0.0035% of the electromagnetic spectrum to predict the future and uses AI to remove unlikely outcomes. So it has a massive amount of uncertainty in the results and simply can't deal with paracausality at all. Massive hole in their plan.

Glass minds, vault of glass 🤔

Clovis Brey is a Disciple of the Witness.via his advance in tech, but also the narcissistic mind set of humanity's savior.

Silica! Vex crystals! Glass! All the same? 😊

„the traveller got vexed“

Witness is one of his species who chose not to become vex he saw a different final shape? Theory.

Anyone else think of the infinite forest when hearing about the observatory

Glass minds could literally be other vex that worked with atheon

The vex is my favorite part of destiny

I like curse of Osiris but I was a newlight infinite forest Halloween was awesome way better than that crap we get now

If they created them then I hate that. I can’t wait for this villain to be out the way. Thats just me tho

Precursor Vex

I think its more likely they somehow domesticated/enslaved some vex, and not have created the entire species

I hope to god the vex weren’t made by the precursors…

This makes no sense. Canonically, the Vex existed before light and dark.

All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again, wait wrong fiction😂

Tbh, I like this retcon of them rather than the "Crota fucked up" scenario, makes them more interesting. Maybe the Glass Mind was a multi-purpose system, the central power having many sub-uses just like the vex nowadays have multiple minds and subminds. If that holds truth to the theory, maybe in the future on another DLC or D3, we'd get to delve deep into the Vex worlds. Let's not forget we have the Glassway area with the portal Clovis Bray built specifically to infiltrate a Vex Planet he called a 'Forge World.' a Planet that was LITERALLY completely converted to the Vex's work.

The vex are (were) human and the witness created the vex thus we have Prometheus. (Deal with it) I said it…. 😂

Lost me when I spent 70 bucks on a game. Then waited 2 years for a a meaningful DLC for it to be free to play micro transaction hell. I avoid bungie games like the plague now

If any alien race that we have had contact with since vanilla destiny had ties to the Witness, the pyramid ships would have been here on day 1.

Dude coming back to a lore video like 6 years after I stopped playing and holy cow am I glad I stopped. Like half of this lore is literally quantum jargon gibberish. Literally doesn’t mean anything just word salad. Sad