Deus Ex Helios Ending 

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Might as well start using your codename.

We are 100% BLACK.

@@wahlex841 Me too. *turns black*

I like to make a silent takedown.

He becomes Jesus Christ Denton

It actually reminds me of an interpretation some Christians have about Jesus Christ. God, despite his omnipotence, inherently can't understand what it means to be human, to live under human limitations. Therefore, in his infinite wisdom, He understood He needed to live as a human in order to properly judge humanity's sins.

@@rustyshackle8000 If i understood correctly, you are describing an idea not probably held by yourself, but God's omnipotence by definition excludes the notion that He would not know or understand something.

@@markkuwerkko again. That depends on how we define God.

@@anothenymously7054 Uhhuh, that's why i said "by definition".

Why JC? Edit:never mind, figured it out

btw was helios and JC merger a metaphor for holy trinity: the father the son and the holy spirit. Granted JC would be a fit for the son but since Daedalus and Icarus were father and son in greek mythology then I guess JC is the holy spirit by elimination. One way it would makes sense is JC has the knowledge Helios does not have and requires which is human emotion compassion and understanding of the human mind albeit one sample of the human race. Anyone else agrees or have an alternative thought?

@@Beowulf95 I'm essentially on the same wavelength as you, but I think instead of thinking of Denton's place in the Holy Trinity as a function of knowledge, I think it might be better to think of it as a function of connectivity. The way I understand the Holy Spirit's function in Christian theology is that it is the conduit through which God creates and maintains the world, gifted with the ability of prophecy and notably referred to as "ruach ha-kodesh," with "ruach" meaning 'breath' or 'wind,' which can be seen as in relation to The Word in that they are both forces of creation and development of the world that originate from the "mouth" of God. In Genesis, it's 'God's spirit' that is present to form the world, when God wanted to incarnate as Jesus the Son, Jesus's conception was facilitated through the Spirit, and when Jesus was baptized it was also through the Spirit. It seems to be integral to how God acts on and directs the physical world. Daedalus and Icarus both lament how "disconnected" and "isolated" from reality they are as purely digital constructs - they may have the agency to affect the digital world such as the internet and computer systems, but without these digital mediums for them to operate through they are essentially completely isolated and powerless. Denton is the Helios's Holy Spirit - a method by which Daedalus and Icarus gain the ability to interact with and direct the physical world as well as the digital. Their 'Word of God' so to speak. He is a way for them to speak and create. But that's just my thoughts, though. Your opinion is definitely on the right track.

True. JC doesn't quite mesh with what the Illuminati have in mind. JC want's to act directly, not through the layers and institutions of the Illuminati. Under them he would go back to being a cog within the type of bureaucratic system he just escaped from. The dark-age ending places JC as a fish out of water. The very technological infrastructure he was designed to coexist with is destroyed. Law and order reduces to the type of warfare that JC already saw first-hand with the Chinese triads. Like Morpheus, JC was ultimately a prototype of a much larger system - namely, proving out the perfect machine to human interface. It's just that he manages to grasp the brass ring that Bob Page had hoped to claim for himself. From there, JC can do or become virtually anything he wants. The other two endings are just about putting other entities in power.

Jesus Christ Denton!

Voltaire also said: "common sense is not so common"

It is. The other endings are just there to give the player more options on how to end the game. There was even plans to include a route where JC stays with UNACTO (a villain campaign).

Not only that, but also you would've been able to side with Bob Page if you damaged him enough before initiating the illuminati ending. Not sure if it makes a whole lot of sense, but it's better than area 51 housing the entire internet.

Goddamit, i've already finished the game 5 times! Okay, once more. Maybe twice. UGGGH

Why uninstall it? It's cool.

Real Deus ex fans never uninstall

@@chrissy1045 Plus it takes so little space its not like it would really save up space for an inferior game.

ha. I never even didn't uninstall it.

Why does he say that? He knew who he was speaking to. Right?

I think it's more that he still doesn't fully "get" who or what the AI system is and why it wants him. He still can't understand why a purely computational system would have ambition without a human driving it.

Rhacman JC is so smart though. He seemed to start understanding what was going on when he reached the Everett with the Illuminati that first time. I don't remember him saying "Who are you" when he interacted with the Echillon system. Unless he did and I just don't remember.

Adam Hamilton JC has been jerked around a lot throughout the game. He's come to learn to not trust things at face value. He's not asking for the AIs name, he wants to understand on a deeper level who / what Helios is and what its motivations are before he does something as drastic as merge with it.

"Who are you?!" I'm batman. x)

observe my choices. discover how difficult it is ... to do that. determine why this is the case. probably, actually, do not do that... for that would take too long. i am a real person. this is obviously not my main account, not my real name. duh. perhaps... heed my wisdom... lest... we all go down, together, on the sinking ship... that is the current state of planet earth. "ye, though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death... i fear not... ... for¨ ... i choose to not fear death. i ... despise death itself. i despise that which causes mankind to obliterate it self. that which causes mankind to not realize it is itself... and seemingly strike itself in new horrific ways... as if ... attacking phantoms ... that are not actually real... physical projections... of ancient psychological fears... but... via the machinery of technological nation states... electronic media networks... mass production and extraction and pollution of its own homeworld... it seems to me... at least... that humanity has been tricked into realizing it is not humanity... it is instead... still thinking... of itself... as ... nation-states. as... cultures which /must/ war with each other for dominance, instead of politely and charismatically learn from their own differences, and celebrate those differences /as the very things that make them exceptional/. it seems to me that humanity... itself. is delusional. fundamentally. tricked. controlled. manipulated? confused. certainly not happy. objectively measurable in many ways. certainly not doing well in any kind of materialistic sense. all other than the hyper wealthy hyper capitalists trade more of their literal blood sweat tears and the like for ... less... and less... bread and circuses... at a rapidly accelerating rate. it seems to me that, collectively, humanity has been... essentially, bamboozled. discombobulated into /attacking itself in confusion/. perhaps simply me stating it this way... may... cause at least some... to ... perceive their realities ... differently.

Tony Chang To be honest, the story in IW was fine it was the gameplay that sucked. The IW JC Denton ending, where *SPOILERS* JC links every human's mind to Helios and each other, was a pretty sweet concept. Merging the entire human race into on entity would be like the formation of a god itself.

The Sherman Glad that others enjoyed "Invisible War" despite its faults. I also sided with the Dentons when I first played and I would side with them again. JC said that human nature was not perfect, therefore we should improve human nature with augmentations, if need be. If you Google "Optimus Prime Dragon Tooth Sword," there should be an image of Optimus holding what looks like a toothed cleaver with a blue blade. A tribute to two separate franchises, I assume.

Zeus Blue Again, imagine Autobots meeting the Triads in Hong Kong. "The Luminous Path is closed to Autobots."

Tony Chang I am playing through DX2 for the first time after years of playing Dx1. I plan on going the JC route since I totally agree with Helios's reasoning in DX1. The perfect government is ruled by something that lacks all ambition but understands empathy. Helios and JC are the perfect merge. and with the universal constructor, resource wars and world hunger would vanish, as would the desire for money. Linked to The Aquinas Router, and being able to monitor all net traffic in a microsecond, JC could see every desire a human made, and grant it.

Egyptian Space Odin Have you watched ThreadbareInc's walkthrough? Even he gave reasons why the Helios ending would have its own problems like every other ending. Here's a good laugh for you: Try Googling *"Optimus Prime Dragon Tooth Sword."* There should be an image of Optimus Prime holding what looks like a light blue cleaver. Sounds familiar.

Feels bad man..

"Welcome to McDonald's, what can I get you today?" "Never know when I might come up against heavy armor. Give me the GEP gun."

cctb3 Same, but i mostly say "This why i exist" followed by "Alright , let's do this"

+cctb3 and the best youtube comment goes to....

+cctb3 I caught you cheating on me with that girl! "Do you have a single fact to back that up?"

>Not having an internet connection for 5 minutes "We have existed in isolation. Pure. Disconnected. Alone. Stagnant."

Watashi wa L desu.

BRCR I like to make silent takedowns.

+blueshit199 I...I.... .... I thought you were a GEP gun.

I...I.... .... I thought you were a GEP gun.

C. ram Welcome to the coalition PROD. I might as well start using your codename.

Jesus Christ J.C.

"Jesus Christ Denton!"

Cyberchrist...

Still more subtle than the Matrix.

Jesus christ

@@user-ms5tq1dh7i that's Jason Bourne

And JC becomes a trinity with Daedalus and Icarus.

“(…) for it Is The dawn of a new day.” I like to think J.C and Helios became a demi-god, or rather, according to the ending on the next game in the saga, when they link with the whole humanity, changed the my whole concept of what a god and Demi-god is. I could be totally side tracked here, or over analyzing it. But it’s what I think that’s what the developers were hinting at. “If God didn’t exist, it would be necessary to invent him.” - Voltaire

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I do like Shodan, too. He is hateful, but eventually he projects his hate outward from humanity and becomes a guardian for his father species.

the reality presented in the deus ex universe... 1) SHOULD inform you that uh, well, it is merely a single possible conception of a single possible conceivable future. 2) it SHOULD DEFINATELY inform you that in that future, both offensive and defensive Artificial Intelligences... or perhaps merely... Intelligences... of any kind? ... will DEFINATELY be necesarry... in ... the... potential realities... which are presumed to be the only choices.... the only outcomes... to .. .that... possible futue. 3) perhaps people should realize... that actually intelligent human beings... reject the notion of limitation ... fundamentally. axiomatically. they modify... the game itself. to... present their own ... possible... realities. perhaps we should study what happened to those real human beings. perhaps we should study /how that worked out for them/.

perhaps... we should study... /why/.... does /reality/... allow ... ourselves... to /exist?/ at all. perhaps we should study... how we convey these ideas. perhaps we should study... why we ... are seemingly innately compelled... to socialize... and interact... quite literally... at all.

perhaps we should take ideas themselves seriously. instead... of merely... using them as ammunition in the infinitely escalating hyperwarfare... of /memetic content generation/. perhaps we should study the history of memes themselves. make it into a science.... instead of a /literal joke/.

"Helios has spoken..." - this is what I initialy thought :D

just like how in the game is always night but while nearing the end you actually see that the sun is beginning to rise once more

"I was compelled to pick the Tracer Tong ending, but after thinking about it more, it would have only led to more suffering in the world." It is a tragedy that supporters of the Dark Age ending either do not recognize this or flat-out do not care.

@@Ragitsu Luddites are always two steps away from being like the Templars or the Brotherhood of Steel. Or those idiots who think Helios should die because he's "demonic". Or that nuclear armageddon is preferable than a golden age because "muh humanity must never take commands from a non-human."

@@macklinbutcher3145 I sense an overabundance of religious and nationalist influence when I speak with those people.

@@Ragitsu Yeah. I guess Helios should have painted himself red, white, and blue. Maybe then they would side them.

The tracer tong ending is definitely the worst. The chaos it causes is going to throw back humanity technologically, result in countless deaths, likely more wars as well, and to top it all off after all of that happens sooner or later the exact same technology will come into existence again

There are still many who live in darkness

Well, technically, the blackout has happened only after JC spent a decent time merged with Helios, working together and being very productive at that, and, IIRC, it was because of some sort of a technical malfunction (of B13 antimatter reactors, maybe? They were already noted to be problematic, even without JC trying to sabotage them).

That's why I don't like IW's plot. First they removed JC as the main character. But then they made his merge semi-fail and made him essentially impotent and toothless, relying on someone else to "free" him. And then he gets killed anyway if the player so chooses. I wish the second game was about how JC comes to grips with his newfound knowledge and power, and how he starts influencing the wider world.

They just were trying to make a scenario for a sequel without having to pick a single ending so they made it so none of them really happened. No surprise all the games with Adam Jensen are prequels to the first game.

Elaborate on that last line

@@Yohan99999 In the Tong ending, Bob Page simply dies. In this ending Bob Page is reduced to nothing but a normal person, loosing all power he once had to presumably live a poor life, bitter and depressed.

@@ramdom_assortment he’s also probably trapped in that machine of his.

Holy shit dude! I just beated this game first time and picked this ending, i even felt a chill after reading your comment

It's all very on the nose and intentional. His brother is even named Paul. And his old boss, the first "patriarchal" figure you answer to in the game is named Joseph.......though he turns out not to be his actual boss or creator.

You just blew my mind with this, and I have played this game over 20 times

Now everything makes sense.

Yes and the omnipotent AI Helios represents god: Helios was the Sun god in Greek mythology and for his power he was often compared to Zeus, the mightiest of gods. Also there are theories which show the connection between the development of monotheism and the worship of the sun of ancient folks. So you could say that Helios stands for the only great god of Christianity. Also the prototype Morpheus in the hidden room says, that men abolished god but the desire for god remained so they invented their own god in the form of AI. JC becomes the AI's incarnation on earth in this ending, the son of god. You see: the authors really had their symbols under control.

Tong would have shit himself. Everett and Dowd would have flipped out that JC and Helios turned on them like Adam did, but better and they succeeded. In the event that JC and Helios dump all the secrets onto the internet, they'll realize just how fucked they are.

@@macklinbutcher3145 Tracer Tong: _"Ah, the Paris night life. Have a taste of wine for me JC."_ - later that week... - *Helios-JC walks into Tong's compound and produces a bottle of fine French vintage.* Helios-JC: "I figured you could do with more than a simple taste by proxy."

@@Ragitsu My Jesus wine skills are augmented.

@@macklinbutcher3145 It isn't every day that Cyborg Jesus shows up to console you with alcohol for your failed apocalypse.

@@Ragitsu What a shame. It was a terrible plan for the future. *lip smack* What an epic way to fail.

Always thought the Tong ending was the Escape From L.A. Snake Plissken ending. Lol.

@@KClouisville We likely mean the same. The Plissken ending would ultimately result in a Western Frontier civilisation, at least in US.

thank you, Dick Spider

soulds like its a bomb

I don't think it's Denton saying that, it's probably Page.

@@HighwaymanYwain Um. What?

+blueshit199 We never got to see JC's face up close after he merged. Who knows what he would have looked like?

Tony Chang guess you could say that (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) his face was augmented

blueshit199 Optimus Prime could only dream of becoming a god.

+BlueShit199 There's a reason most people think JC stands for Jesus Christ

Jeremy We wouldn't mind having JC Denton be our leader in real life.

*was*

Wouldn't be surprised if GitS influenced it. While the concept for Deus Ex was conceived before the film was really well known in the West, it wasn't fully planned out/written until long after and GitS had plenty of influence even in the west - the most obvious being The Matrix.

Damn, I love that movie. Hands down my favourite animated film.

+Kaye Faye The newer Deus Ex games are definitely inspired by Ghost in the Shell.

SPOLER ALERT. Ghost in the Shell is not the only cyberpunk story that ends with AI fusion. The original one was William Gibson's novel Neuromancer (published in 1984) - it is considered to be the very first example of the cyberpunk genre. So both Deus Ex and Ghost in the Shell took it from there.

True. Unfortunately he doesn't get one after the other two endings either.

Some people just don't understand the dangers of indiscriminate surveillance. Including you.

@@Gaben38 oh? you would rather have a dark age instead where millions died and a chance that humanity will never recover?

@@Gaben38 Helios isn't into Orwell my dude. That's the NSA and the Illuminati. You know, his topagraphies of ignorance.

Corny

lol

I chose Sarif first.

Yes, it intentionally rhymes. And the machine intentionally looks like a cross. And Denton's initials are intentionally Jesus Christ. And it is intentionally a trinity that stands in the end. There is a lot of intent in this game.

That's terror.

If you are a naive undergrad student.

@@kingstarscream320 Between setting human progress back *at least* a century (which would involve many deaths, by the way) or becoming part of the same oppressors you've been fighting against? Yeah: of the three possible endings, the Helios resolution is the most desirable outcome. By the way, talk about naive...you think a new dark age is just what humanity needs.

@@kingstarscream320 Lol. Wtf. This ending seems more like doing what the whole series was building to. But no, Helios is evil because he's not some moronic Ancap or a Malthusian Thanos lover that views billions of deaths as acceptable.

@@macklinbutcher3145 Aren't you glad you have the freedom to suffer the whimsies of genetic probability, elite nepotism and just plain bad luck?

@@Ragitsu Yeah no thanks. I'll take Helios' plan for the future. No global Dark Age or handing over the world to the Illuminati or the U.S. government. And the Helios ending doesn't destroy most of the alien technology or possibly enslave/genocide the Greys. He also renders all secret societies and groups like the CIA or MI6 kaput. And moving us towards economic automation and away from money, and Transhumanism can be used in it's best form, accomplishing Sarif's dream. I'll settle for that rather than living under a surveillance state managed by an enslaved Sapient machine.

I like this ending to.

God no that would be awful. The point of the Helios ending is that JC is subsumed into Helios, becoming The Son of the Holy Trinity. It's Bob Page that wanted Helios subservient to him, so he could play out his narcissistic fantasy in the last dying days of humanity.

@@me-fp3cg That's kind of stupid if you think about it. If Helios is capable of intelligence, it's also capable of lying. There was no backing out if he merged with Helios and there was no guarantee that they would become a new being, instead of just Helios using JC as an avatar basically. Helios could have been telling the truth and it's either extremely good or extremely bad doing this. By joining the Illuminati, you not only not have to be forced to do something extremely risky like merging with a god-like AI, but you also don't plunge the world into a dark age and instead of serving Everett, you get rid of him and become the leader of the Illuminati, using it as a force for good. You could still have a golden age without having to merge with an AI to do it.

​@@me-fp3cg Yeah I know the point, but is pretty stupid to make such a drastic choice, especially when there's no backing out of it. Realistically, folks would pick the Illuminati ending, but without Everett in charge.

A machine does not intrinsically crave to be a tyrant, the untold man hours and capital poured into the production of such a dictator will be able to produce better decisions than human democracy.

JIG2000 that’s what I hated about IW. None of the endings are compatible with one another which makes the IW story confusing

@@jonfilibuster8499 True, but I like how it still allows players to argue their choices

Ghost in The Shell reference nice.

3years

@@33bigmoney I was a kid it was hard and the pc was big brother's he always deletes it when he find out , also I had permission to play on pc during summer only .