Diablo Immоrtаl Is SO MUCH Worse Than Genshin Impact | Asmongold Reacts to Bellular 

Thing with Genshin is the hardest endgame content is still beatable without spending literally any money

it's worth mentioning that in both genshin and arknights you can get the items you need to roll on banners you can get by ingame activities, while in diablo immortal you have no other option then to pay money

One thing that people really forget to mention when talking about Genshin (and this is extremely important to point out) is that you can play the game AND clear all its content with the main F2P characters of the game. If you play lots of Gacha games you know how rare that is. They designed the game with that in mind, so no content is gated behind needing a 5 Star character to clear X. Now, is it easier if you do have one? Of course, but content isn't gated behind you spending money in order to progress. That doesn't make them good guys, but good developers. At the end of the day it was designed to make you spend money, but at least at its core the game itself is good.

Blizzard's biggest mistake? Not putting waifus in Diablo.

Easily. Genshin Impact is a game you spend money on _if you want_ certain things, and the characters you get for free by just playing are _monstrously_ strong (Xiangling for all players, Fischl and Beidou, Xingqiu during events that will eventually cycle back in etc). It's the kind of game where, I spent some money because I got hundreds of hours of fun out of it, and after getting what I want, I've been a free player just crushing everything every patch, having a lot of fun. I feel like Diablo Immortal is a game in which you will never truly reach that point of "ah, I'm satisfied now, let's just play."

One more thing that few mention is the differnce between the value you receive in these games for your money. In DI you get an item in your bag that has some stats. On the other hand in Genshin you get a full 3d model character with unique animation and costume. You get a full set of normal attack animation with the unique skill animation. And yes, the normal attack animation is different for each and every character. You get a fully voice acted questline for the 5* charactersm though you get that without getting them, but still. You get unique voice lines for the characters, every character has their very own voice actor in both english and japanese, full backstory for the character that you can unlock via playing with them and also unique graphics, like menu backgrounds. So yeah you receive a lot for your money. I'm not trying to defend this practice, just pointing out the difference between the value you get compared to DI.

I played Genshin Impact. You're never spending over 200 for a single copy of a character, it just doesn't happen due to the pity. I suppose it's theoretically possible in a worst case scenario and perhaps that means it can go up to around 300, though it'd be stupid rare. Any number above that in Genshin should be immediately disregarded. The other thing to consider in Genshin is they give you just shy of enough free currency for 1 pity per patch, meaning you can get at least one 5 star character per patch (though not necessarily the guaranteed limited character at the time) so that greatly reduces your expenditure if you're trying to just get 1 character at a time. The Genshin whales, however, who max out every character that gets released spend between 1k and 3k to get a full constellation 5 star character (7 copies total) as well as their signature weapon (5 copies total). Just for those who want more specific detail on what can and is spent by a Genshin whale. There are certainly players in the 5 figures spent, if not 6 figures by now since this 1-3k total can be spent around 2 times in 3 months (assuming you got every character as they released since day 1).

Speaking to Genshin specifically. It’s actually not as expensive as stated here. You get so much free currency that nobody is paying close to the amount stated here, not to mention actually getting to 90 pulls is very very rare. It just makes the comparison even more stark.

I haven’t really seen this in the comment section but the most powerful characters in genshin aren’t even 5 stars. 1. Xiangling, one of the strongest dps characters and you can get her for free. 2. Xingqiu, one of the two strongest support characters (with the other being Bennett) and you can get him for free at the New Years event every year. 3. Bennet, arguable the strongest support in the game. Gives huge attack boost, healing, particle generation. Need to roll but given he’s a 4 star it’s pretty easy it’s stay f2p and get him. You can EASILY clear genshin endgame content with these characters. Just look at enviosity, he 36 star clears abyss every month with just 4 stars.

Even though genshin impact is a gacha, and the fact that you gain an advantage by spending money, the advantage you gain, doesnt matter at all in my opinion, since there is no pvp and endgame content is beatable with the free rolls you get. Also, the whales spending a lot on the game for waifus, dont affect the f2p players, could even say they help f2p players by funding the game.

I play both FGO and Genshin and I've essentially beat all of the conttent without paying any money. It takes a while, but you can save up enough to roll for all - or most of - the characters you want. In Diablo Immortal, you literally cannot get your hands on the best stuff without paying up to ten times the amount you'd have to pay in any other gacha. That's the main difference.

Here's a short explanation on genshins summons, 1.The actually % doesnt matter cause most ppl purely rely on pity 2.The soft pity starts at 75 summons and is guaranteed at 90.(usually u get the 5* at around 80 tho) 3.Being completely free to play, i have all the waifus i want(except for 1) and have gotten unneeded 5*s as well, and this is cause u get around 90 summons every 2 banners, i.e, u get half the amt of banners u played through, and these wishes are purely from daily coms(they take abt 15 min) and whatever event is on then(might take anywhere from 10~20 min). Diablo immortal is not even comparable

What Genshin doesn't have is story time gates (unless updates count as such). The characters, gameplay and story all make it worth it. Don't knock it out until you try it.. I'd rather play Genshin than half of the games Angry Joe plays (most being Madden or FIFA bad and predatory...and you dont have to 1000$ "pay for blue" like in Valorant or the DOA5 DLC).

A guaranteed 5* in GI requires 90 pulls / 14400 primogems. To purchase 8080 primogems it takes 100$, meaning that 200$ guarantee a 5* and have some leftover. This means even losing the 50/50 once and being extremely unlucky (reaching 90 pulls twice beforea 5*, and losing the 50/50 on the first hard pity getting ajn off banner character), it would take less than 400$ in bundles to guarantee a desired 5*. While it's still a considerable amount of money, it means that the chart was not calculated correctly because it cannot cost over 600$ to get a 5* in Genshin Impact.

I see mashed beat genshin with 0$ spent and he got some of the strongest character in the game

Genshin isn’t pvp and can be completed without paying a single cent. This is the difference even the hardest parts of the game can be completed without dropping any money into it

Genshin has several safety nets in place to ensure you get "value" for your inputs, gives out actually a ton of resources for pulling, and aside from direct-purchased crystals, is reasonably fair cash input wise (bp/ welkin). They have multiple 50/50 systems running simultaneously, and other than weapons are actually extremely fair about their char banners, featuring one target 5* instead of multiple, usually only one of which is good. If you fail the 50/50 and get one of the secondary 5*'s, the next 5* pull will be 100% the on-banner char. If you fail the 50/50 on the 4* selection (roll an off banner weap/char) the next 4* roll will be on banner, and the weapons are the worst as their pity is self contained and requires you to pull 3 5*'s in one banner (43,500) of which $100 buys you ~9k? I don't remember. I do remember that $100 doesn't guarantee you a five star but heavy fomo banner runs creates all the kiddos buying out the gem bonuses.

I don't think people understand how Genshin is first of all almost completely single player with no pvp, but also how the entire game and all of it's content can be played without spending a single penny. While yes, spending money can definitely make parts easier, the game is designed to never get to a point where it just feels impossible without spending money, in the same way that other games often are.

U don't even need any copies for 5* characters in genshin for them to function as intended. So f2p gets to have fun aswell

The only saving grace of Genshin is that there is no PVP and you can clear the game easily as F2P while Immortal as F2P you are nothing but a whale feeder

I remember being upset at 5 dollar horse armor.. Not because it was 5 dollars. But because me and everyone else I knew weren't fooled. We knew this would happen.

Yeah, I'm a month into playing Genshin and have three 5 star characters that didn't cost me anything. My friend has been playing with me, and she has two five star characters, that haven't cost her anything. Not only that, but we've beaten the entire story, done a ton of exploration and dungeons, and the game was absolutely free. Also, we still have tons to do and I haven't even felt the need to spend any more, nor is it rammed down your throat. I have to say as far as gacha games go, Genshin is perhaps the best example of it done in a non aggressive way.

People dont know that you actually got free currency to pull 5 stars every day and from events.i ve spent 15$ clear all endgame more than 20 5 stars. Actually fun game with new event every weeks and story update almost every 2 months less or more.

With the way characters are designed in Genshin you can get big numbers with out upgrading the constellation for characters. Plus you can just let anyone from a higher rank join your world to one shot all the enemies. Once you hit rank 16 and leave the tutorial missions.

I really hope Asmon tries out Genshin someday I would really like to hear his actual thoughts on the game once he actually experienced it (both the good and bad parts of the game)

Arknights in my experience you'll mostly be using your brain instead of your wallet. (F sanity) The only time I swiped were on the skins that I like since I want to show my support and love for the game. The playerbase money is even going to good use, for example: -Arknights: Endfield (new game in development that's connected with Arknights lore) -Arknights anime (in production, expected to be released soon) -Collabs -Sick PVs -More banger soundtracks -Cool new content, Free stuff etc...

The things with other gacha game is that you can seriously F2P without whaling. You can farm for the roll token with no draw back. Unlike Diablo Immortal, the whale in the game cannot do jack to influence your enjoyment of the game. Funny enough some gacha game have a party cost mechanics which encourages you to use lower rarity units due to lower deploy cost.

You spend money in Genshin because you want a character and enjoy their design, story, voice acting, personality, and how they play. You can beat everything without spending any money, and a lot of people have. The game is already easy and is catered toward casuals, so honestly spending money for power is not worthwhile, only if you really like a character. You can also probably get the strongest few characters from the free gacha currency you get.

In Genshin you don't even need to get max constelation in character to do well, people has been playing free2playbtw since forever and can do endgame content with no issue, even the free party that they give you at the start of the game is good enough. In Fire Emblem heros you get a free character every banner and normally those are good enough, also there are gacha games were getting the caracter is super easy and the monetitations is based on anothis thing, like in Azur Lane getting the character is super easy but they make really good sexy skins, so yeah you will get the character and the game would be like "hey man that new character that you got, there's this new skin that would get you super hard is only 9.99"

I never spent a dime in Genshin and not only beat all the content but also got 90% of the characters I ever wanted. Spending NO MONEY.

You have to keep in mind too that in most eastern gacha games, there will be a pity (enforced by eastern laws on gacha games) where 100-200 pulls is the pity range for a guarantee character. In Genshin realistically, it's only about 90 pulls to get one 5* and the game gives you enough (not counting real $) that you can get a 5* after playing for about a month. It's still ridiculous that it costs over $100 for a 5* character in these games tho.

Genshin, the 90 roll guarantee is if you're the unluckilest person person ever. At 70 it starts increasing with each roll-to-roll

Also both arknights and fgo have great low rarity characters that help you a lot

The only other one I've player is Fire Emblem heroes. You can merge units up to +10 meaning you have to multiply by 11 to calculate the actual maximum strength for each character. There are also different game modes which means at a minimum you need around 10-15 different units in your rotation. So it's not actually more generous in any way.

Also in Genshin, some players might forget the first character you played as, The Traveller, is a 5 star and you can get them to max constellations for free by just playing the game. And they also the only ones that have multiple Elements, which means as the story of Genshin gets longer, the Traveller basically gets stronger as well. Also each Traveller elements are basically different character so, they can use 7 elements, they basically feels likes you have 7 5 star. But for now, they can use 3 elements.

I'm a f2P genshin player at AR59 (endgame) and I have so many 5 star characters and weapons and they're so strong that I can literally oneshot bosses or content with good team comps. It's not P2W at all unless you're playing for collection purposes and want every single character.

Diablo has become a human experiment. Testing the upper limits of how much users will spend on a pay to win game.

This is why people saying "We knew it would be bad already" are showing they know nothing. This game is SO, so bad it makes other games that use gambling look like charitable endeavours.

Here's the thing with Genshin though. You don't NEED to spend money. At all. And you can still get 5 stars, good teams and beat end game content. I spent I think $100 total on that game, and I have all 4 star characters (many at 4-6 constellations), and I think 7 5-star characters at 0 constellations. And I could have basically that exact same shit, for 0$ because bear in mind over half of that is me buying costumes, which don't contribute to the slot machine rolls, or battle passes which very minimally do (I think 10 rolls for a full BP if I remember right?). If you have restraint, you can play that game struggle-free without a single penny. And the story is actually pretty good.

As someone who played genshin for a year as both a F2P account and Low Paying ($10/month) genshin is most likely the least abusive on its players unless the person playing has lack of self control and feels the need to have every character or the best characters. You will always atleast end up with 1 free s or a tier that will carry you so no one should have the excuse of missing out on content.

Genshin impact atleast gives currency to roll for 5*s for just for playing the game. I know plenty of pure F2ps with tons 5*s characters

The average for getting a 5* in Genshin Impact is 63 pulls for the character banner and less for the weapon banner. Realistically, if you're unlucky, you might go to 80 pulls. That would be ~160€, if you have really bad luck. There is a hard pity at 90, but you will never hit that. Getting a specific character means, you might have to get two 5*, that'd be 160 pulls worst case. 160 pulls =~ 320€. And yet this chart shows 619$ for getting a 5*? Nice joke. Terribly researched or just lies.

You can do the entirety of genshin just by being free to play and getting the rolls by doing events and spiral abyss. Pity is 70-80 for 5 star characters. It is 50/50 on the Character Event banner and Pity carries over to next banner and is tracked. So if you Lose the 50/50 the very next 5 star you roll will be that character on the banner or any new banner. And Alot of the people say Don't go for weapon banner.

1:01 it's easy. Stay free to play and enjoy the story. FGO and Genshin have top tier stories imo. Especially Honkai Impact makes you cry not from the gacha but from the story.

Difference between Genshin and Diablo. In Diablo, you HAVE to spend money to progress. In Genshin, progression can be done easily free to play. And you spend money if you REALLY want a character. And even then, you don't have to spend. You could just collect all the free currency they give you and save for a character. The monetization is OPTIONAL. Not required.

People always forget. A lot of these games give a ton of free gems for clearing story/event and also the game publisher/developers will give out free gems all the time. You also have daily missions that give gems so F2P can always be fine in these type of games. So if a f2p saves up and grabs meta character/whatever, they can always do very well and sometimes even better than whales because some whales just mindlessly spend. Diablo Immortal has none of this. It's impossible for f2p to play this game, it is literally the greediest cash grab I have ever seen. I play gacha mobile game a lot and the most expensive game I've seen is actually Rise of Kingdoms but Diablo Immortal is on another level.

Thing is with Gacha is that you can play it and get some of the 5* you want by getting in-game currency just through playing and not spending. I do spend but I use it as a top up, I play alot and then save up and roll for the character and if I haven't got it yet I'll use money for the rest but it's often only around £60 extra, which in gacha terms, is good. Though on Punishing Gray Raven I spend alot less and get alot more imo, especially with the Neir Automata collab in a few days where Im already guarenteed 2B so yeah, hypeeee

Genshin is PvE, you pay for the convenience of either easier gameplay or having your waifu. Genshin has gacha, but not forcing you to use it for game progress.

Genshin characters offer exclusive abilities for each 5 star so the affected gameplay is the same but the difference is what them prices are

In F/GO you can still beat the game with 3 or 2 star characters not only that but they also give a free 4 star in every 2-4 months same can be said to Arknights & Genshin. I should know I played them but left Ark & G.I a long time ago.

Personally I still don t like the gacha system in general yet I do enjoy playing Arknights and Genshin. I think there are a few points that are really important to remember when you want to compare these games to the likes of Diablo immortal. First of all you can clear the entire game with the starter characters and in the case of genshin they can actually be absolute Gods. Second, the amount of currency you get just for doing your dailies helps a lot with getting characters for free. That simulation only shows the prices of characters without pity AND without using any of the free currency. The gacha system is still predetaory and prays on people who are bad at controlling their fomo though. Third, the dailies do not take a lot of time to finish. Yeah these dailies are set up to make the game a habit yet it still feels to me like the game respects my time mainly because the rewards are worth it. Fourth point, both Genshin and Arknights do not have PVP modes. These gams are purely PvE which means there is no incentive for whales to get into a whale war and there is no point at which a f2p player feels like they need to pay in order to get stronger. I feel like it is important to note things like this when we talk about gacha games. The business model in of itself is bad, I agree on that point. I wish there would be no weird fake currency and all the prices where in USD or whatever you use. I also wish that gachas would be required to give you the option to straight up buy a character. I d love to be able to chose between either paying 60 bucks for a character or try my luck on the gacha also refunds should definitely be required in these games although limited. As in, yes you can refund your money but after you refunded it you cant spend money for x amount of time or something similar.

with arknights there are many ways to earn currency to "roll" for a character. With regards to having to roll to "full power" a character it really isn't that big if a difference if you decide to or not, it's like a 1% increase if that. It's more of a min-maxing kinda thing 99% of the community doesn't do it.

Also they have one fact wrong about genshin, pity starts at 70, you almost never hit 90. Also the 50/50 carrys over so you can guarentee a pull of a character if you previously lost it and hit the 5* but its still a shit system. Weapon banner is alot worse.

Anyone have an idea about how mutch will cost a full bis toon in Allod Online years ago??

I feel like getting a perfect, max roll, 4 liner artifact is statically just as hard. At least you don't have to spend to 'roll' for it

To be fair to Genshin, the benefits provided by re-rolling a character you already have are really minor. It's generally something like a small secondary or tertiary effect to one skill or maybe a situational passive. It's technically player power so a whale would roll for it, but the scaling is not remotely close to what we see in Diablo Immortal with gems.

I found Genshin players tend to be anti-PVP and anti-PvEvP even if they play other PVP games, and Diablo Immortal dropped the strongest anti-PVP case ever. I've heard that CEO of Hoyoverse wanted Genshin to be a waifu game where players pull characters because they like them, but in practice, the banner sales indicate meta (good DPS or support, good gameplay, high-value constellations) sells.

You should react to TEctone's video of him pulling on the weapon banner for the staff of homa before the pity system got introduced lol

Bobby's ORA ORA ORA when he uses his stand Bobby's World is MONEY MONEY MONEY.

I love seeing content creators call out the absolute scumbaggery of these companies

I would consider Genshin so much better not because it costs less but the fact that F2P players can easily save their daily free Primogems for rolling on 1 banner and are guaranteed the character you want not to mention the insane amount of Primogems you get from exploring and just playing the game and the monthly events that are also just free things. while in diablo immortal you get almost nothing compared to the amount you need to get what you want.

Bobby's World is also a semi-popular 90's tv show

I got every Genshin Charakter and some 5 star weapons without ever spending money, besides 2x the battle pass.

Genshin gives you a fair number of rolls for free. And if you do the 5 bucks a month sub, you'll have more rolls than you need to get the stuff you want. From playing and the 5-dollar sub, I've been able to get all the toons/weapons I want and am sitting on 300+ rolls for future stuff.

This isn’t gaming, it’s robbery and exactly what ruins games

The difference between Diablo immoral with some of this example is for other game, you know exactly what item you want to rolling for, and generally the gacha itself were separate entity that is somewhat isn't mandatory for you to progress the game. Sure some of them had more impactful gacha, but you can progress through the game with only visiting the gacha window around once a month or a two, and at that point the game would likely give you enough "Free" premium currency to do a couple of spin. But in diablo the gacha itself were ingrained to the core mechanic. You have to visit the gacha for you to actually progress. the gacha is the core mechanic.

16:20 Can someone knowledgeable can explain what happens exactly? I have not played the game so I dont understand really what is happening. Thanks!

Another thing is how they spend the money they make. Genshin is operated by Mihoyo which is NOT a publicly traded company and we the paying players are the customers rather than the products. I'm glad to see the amazing contents they reliably add to the game including the upcoming sumeru map or the amazing musics and concerts they've done in the entire 2.x cycle. The more I pay them, the more they invest into the game to make it better. The dev team for genshin is more than 2000 ppl right now and that's just world class. In contrast, if you pay blizzard, it goes to the freaking CEO bonus and they can sack devs to meet their quarterly goals while hurting their ability to make games. That to me is the real difference.

One thing to note in Genshin and most other gacha games is that you do NOT need to get the 5-star characters to progress, and these games don't have pvp very often so there's not even a competitive aspect to encourage it. And while Diablo Immortal only gives you enough currency to do a single 10-pull every 6+ months, the game I play gives me more than what I need for two 10-pulls per month just by spending 10 minutes a day doing my dailies. That's standard for most of these games.

Genshin doesn't really need to pay money to finish some quest or the game itself. you can really play free characters and spending money on it just to get the specific character you want to play with and you can get that character by grinding everyday and hoping lady luck is on your side to get that character but don't worry if you didn't get it just wait for rerun and save your pity to get that specific characters. I played genshin for 2 years and I have mostly every 5 stars character I got as a F2P player and some weapons for the specific characters.

5dollar welkin a month gives almost 10x the value. (from experience, buy welkin and grind events etc, then spend them all in character banner.i get every other new 5 star character at least)

The story of Genshin is so much better than Diabolo Immortal, I have so much fun in Genshin and then I spent some money on the character I want and I am still playing the game. For Immortal, I uninstalled it after 2weeks of game play when I reach lv60.

Blizzard mission statement is “dedicated to creating the most epic entertainment experiences… ever.” The statement indicates that Blizzard values quality and customer satisfaction.

I did play Genshin for a time and you can make progress with the main starters and roll 2 times on Noelle banner for beginners and pull some nice heroes and moved on. Same with Arknights, they give free pulls like 2x 10 and you dont need to invest real money. MLA (Mobile Legends Adventure) also gives free pulls and a lot of gems so you can pull without money. I do not defend this type of games but they managed to keep F2P fun without a heavily paywall in the way.

What is the original video of 16:27 guys ?

If Diablo 4 has micro transactions like Diablo Immortal, I will walk away from Blizzard. Been a fan since the 90's.

As someone who actually plays Genshin, can confirm that Diablo Immortal is waaaaaaay worse in the P2W category. Don't get me wrong, Genshin is pretty reprehensible. Difference is that they have regular hand outs on the premium currency. It's not enough for proper pulls on things, but IF you actually save up and just play the game getting a 5* isn't an if but a when. On top of that, Genshin actually runs a guaranteed pity system that is a hard safety. Worse case scenario to get a guaranteed 5*, you'll drop around $300. That is however ASSUMING you're paying into the system at all. In reality, 4* star characters are actually more desirable due to easy acquisition by comparison and they can actually be stronger for the same money invested. By comparison to the Diablo games in any respect, it would be like if you could pick up a purple or blue drop and improve it. From that improved piece of gear, you can easily improve it to similar grade as a mid tier legendary drop. Sure the legendary drops have a much higher ceiling for stats, but how likely are you to actually find the legendary to upgrade from that? Even now a lot of the launch characters are incredibly solid in the game. Imagine if you pulled a purple drop in D3 at launch and you could legitimately be using it seriously in the final patch of the game whenever that is.

They should jus make raiding the vault like actually raiding a vault. We steal the loot of the immortals who enter the vault, and roll for items if we beat them. I think this would a first step if their still scummy about the pay to win, at least we can steal their 5-star gems or whatever they bring in the vault lol. They should also add a housing system.

Man, I just got NP2 Castoria without spending a cent. If there's one good thing to come out of Diablo Immortal, it's that I don't feel as bad for playing FGO.

just wanna point out... a hard pity in Genshin is 180, meaning everything above that is capped there. And, there is a soft pity at 75, meaning that you are highly likely to get a 5 star at around 160.

It's possible to achieve proper endgame and 'beat' Genshin Impact completely free to play. It's not possible to do that in Diablo Immoral

According to that list, Fire Emblem is close to 2000% value compared to Diablo Immoral! What a deal!

As a Genshin Player since launch and if you're a fresh player, like right now. Boi oh boi, shit is getting big and there's a fk ton of quest with Primogems in which you can use to roll for free. And yes I do spend in that game.

Well, Genshin doesn't have progression throttles and you can get a 5 star for free. I feel like Genshin is the new Overwatch punching back for Microtransactions, it's not that bad, it's just really, really popular.

Been playing Genshin Impact for a year now and I only spent 25 usd on the Welkin Blessing Pass. I never dropped big loads of money ever for the 5 stars. So far my chances for getting a 5 star are predictable which I am glad for because it means I can get a 5 star every other banner. My luck was insane when I first started back in 1.5. I got Eula in three 10 pulls, Kazuha as well in three 10 pulls and then I hit hard pity for Raiden but know I didn’t fail any 50/50 at that point. Then my “luck” tapered out and became normal as I previously mentioned.

honestly we live in a generation that thinks NFT's are a good investment doesn't surprise me they buy crap in diablo immortal just like they buy gold in wow lol

Bobby's World was a cartoon in the 1990's created by comedian Howie Mandel

If Diablo 4 manages to have microtransactions, then Blizzard is long gone, they're done

A huge thing about genshin is that the only things money gets you are 5* weapons, C6 5*, and more resin or "stamina". But a f2p player can also acquire those if they get lucky enough or save enough currency. Theres no PvP in genshin and the absolute hardest content in the game can be cleared with almost any characters even if they are C0. You still have to play the game and explore it and even whales are subject to the same shit gear RNG everyone else is. But because they spend money the downtime to getting better gear is less. Ofc its still predatory but not to the same degree as diablo immortal

Its funny watching bellular's video and then this some days later

At least with fgo that really you don't need to pay to win or pay at all just save your currency which comes very often

With genshin you get 50 pulls with 100$ (first time you buy you get double so 100$ 100 pulls). The soft pity is 75 the hard pity is 90 but no one gets there, first time you reach pity you get a 5 star (weapon or character) if you get the banner 5* you won and next pity will be 50/50 (50 chance of getting random standar 5* and 50 chance of getting the banner). Is an expensive game yeah buy you cant compare genshin with mosts gacha games, there you have a ui and may be a 2d gameplay, with genshin you have a big and decent open world, I know there are some exceptions like Honkai impact but is not the same, you load each stage and play there por 2m and back to the menu.

With Genshin there is this thing where you need to get the character 6 extra times after you got it once. In order to max out the talent tree. For several of them having a Constallation 1 versus Constallation 6 can be a quite a difference. So it might be worth calculating getting the character up to 7 times in total.

Genshin is a very fun game. Even though getting C6 in limited characters can be a bit expensive, you can get a lot of primos. Also, the Welkin Moon in that game is a great deal every 30 days.

i wonder what the numbers for azur lane is

I think it's cheaper to do drugs now

Genshin does a great job making a ton of money without punishing F2P players

The thing with Genshin is that you get a lot of pulls without paying. Like me for example, only doing the events (wich the majority you can just speedrun in a couple hours in the last day) and the dailies (that literally take 5-10 mins), I can pull for the characters I want pretty much on every release. I have a friend that plays more (still not even close to the amount of hours a regular WoW player puts in, for example) and he manages to pull for almost every 5 star character. He skips some characters tho, but that's the thing with gacha games, you would not want all characters all the time. You will skip a lot of characters just because you don't like them. If I understand clearly, in Diablo Inmortal you WONT have the big gems unless you pay. And you pay a lot of money

Oh, also, in Genshin, many 4-stars are meta. Anyone who never tried running CNT (Xiangling, Bennett, Xingqiu, Chongyun), the famous 4-star team made of characters available since launch, probably hasn't played the game for long anyway. In FEH, you can play many game modes to get Feathers, and turn your 2, 3 and 4 star characters into 5 stars, and then merge them. This makes 5* +10 units common among lower-rarity, making them meta too. I haven't played FEH for years, but my favorite video made on it was one about an Arena fight with a +10 Jagen (2* available) with maxed RES. He was beaten by Boey, who is 4* available. In fact, you're supposed to 5-star your starter characters, the 1-star units you got for free. And of course no one ever talks about the constructor gachas that followed KanColle's formula. I've been playing Girls Frontline almost since its launch and I have every character, barring maybe one or two that you get by grinding some boss maps in story mode, not the constructor. What I like about GFL is that not only will you be using 2 and 3 star units, not only are 4 star units meta (Hell, M14 was a 3* and she was 3* meta until they gave her Digimind and now she's 4* meta), but you almost can't whale to give yourself too much of an advantage because the RNG is incredibly punishing. You can't get everything you want, and the game makes you abandon the whale mindset because the game punishes all players. And yet the game is still "fair" in that sense since everyone has a hard time equally, and yet viable strategies with lower-rarity/lower-investment units always show up.

On Genshin, soft pity is around 75. Its so hard to hit the hard pity of 90 that the Chinese community had like a $2,000 bounty (dont remember the exact number) for whoever hit it. Took over a year before it ever happened.