Why Tower of Fantasy Failed in China | Asmongold Reacts 

To be fair, Genshin was never accused of asset theft. People were just mad when it was shown because it looked like Breath of the Wild - which then mostly dissipated as it came out. Tower of Fantasy had blatant asset robbery accusations.

Zack, just to make this point clear, Tower of Fantasy was not review bombed and called "Tower of Theft" because the game looks similar to Genshin. The developers actually ripped assets from other games like Honkai and used them in the game and trailers. This includes weapons and items, animations, 2D sprites and some world models. Other stuff is also heavily inspired by Honkai and Genshin, but that's less egregious than the outright asset theft.

I think people need to understand the difference between copy-pasting an asset from another game and getting an inspiration from another game

If you think Genshin got a pass in China for imitating BoTW, then you don't know what you are talking about. Let's just say Genshin was viewed way more favorably in the West compared to in China at launch.

I watched both you and Tectone react to that video and am super glad you were able to remain calm and objective throughout it instead of yelling and cussing when inevitable comparisons to genshin were mentioned. My ears appreciate it, much kudos!

One aspect people don't take in consideration on twitch viewership is what streamers are streaming it. When Asmongold streams something it will automatically be above most games because of his average viewership. If Asmon wasn't streaming the viewership would be pretty low in comparison to other games.

Love how Asmongold has more nuance arguments for Genshin even though he has never touch it. 27:48 "It has things that keep people engaged in the game. I don't really care what somebody calls content or what somebody doesn't call content". Genshin does lack endgame contents but I have played, grinded enough MMO before, if Genshin's endgame gonna take form of repeating a dungeon hundred times for a piece of gear then I'll pass. The game is still churning out events, characters, quests, exploration and that's keeping me engaged. I'll have my daily GI gameplay, do something in ff14 then call it a day.

I dont think anyone accused genshin of stealing assets. The 'theft' meme for tower of fantasy is that the copying was so blatant, one of the announcement trailers shown stolen asset.

Genshin devs took inspiration from botw (though not that much: stamina management while climbing and gliding and collectibles, which weren't invented by botw, you know) as well as from a bunch of other games, but they didn't steal assets. They created an entirely new game, bringing experience that's not just a mere copy of something, but completely its own thing.

You actually can refund microtransactions in basically any game through your bank. However, this typically results in your account being banned for violating their chargeback terms. If you're lucky the devs just won't care or notice it, or they'll remove the items you gained from the purchase you refunded. EDIT: Since some of you are probably still on a family account with your foster parents and lack actual banking experience, here's a legitimate and legal reason for chargebacks (sourced directly from the Chase Bank website): - A product or service you received and are dissatisfied with Yes, you can chargeback literally anything (within reason) by simply claiming you're dissatisfied with it. Obviously it shouldn't abused (banks aren't dumb and monitor your account more than you do), but you can 100% legally chargeback MTX. Game companies can't sue for the product back, because they never lost it (the product exists exclusively on their private servers, and it costs nothing to sell). They could potentially sue for the $1-2 chargeback fee (assuming there even was one), but it'd cost thousands to pursue that legally, hence why they don't do it and simply just ban your account. Important to note that most if not all games that have MTX have a refund feature of some sort (usually hidden outside the game client on their website), and generally this should be tried first. Only chargeback if they refuse the refund.

I think there is a notable similarity in how, like you said, in the west, every new mmo has to withstand the comparison to WoW, while games like ToF have to suffer the comparison to Genshin instead, and how neither are particularly easy battles to "win" with how established those two games are at this point. But there is one important difference between those two comparisons; and thats the fact that WoW is nearly 20 years old, so a lot of newer mmos can make use of the massive array of technical and graphical developments that have been made since its release to give themselves an edge against what is still a colossal opponent. Genshin, on the other hand, is barely a few years old, so its challengers dont have that luxury, theyre just facing an uphill battle.

i feel like most people that watch genshin on twitch dont watch it for the gameplay, its mostly a story based singleplayer game after all. they just wanna chill and talk to like-minded people

it wasn't derivative of genshin, genshin wasn't even involved... it straight up stole models from honkai which is the game miHoYo released before genshin. there's a difference basing something on previous things and straight up just stealing/copying it. ever heard of plagiarism? Edit, apparently my sentence structuring was shit and people think I'm saying Genshin "stole" from honkai that's not what I'm saying both genshin and honkai are developed by miHoYo. I'm saying Perfect World plagiarized miHoyo

I listened to the dialogue of ToF for about 2 hours and I was exceptionally disappointed at the lack of effort for good voice casting/acting and polish for some animations considering how much money this company has made.

I'm gonna love when after some weeks people will realize that the endgame in ToF is the same as Geshin except the lack of polish. Right now the game is still fresh so you got things to do (as it was in the first weeks of Genshin) but then you reach endgame and you have 2 choices in your day on ToF: use vitality to farm gear (resin) or do a shitty p2w pvp lagfest. So yeah you win a p2w pvp and lose on the story, quality and worldbuilding. Also why do people think there is a timegated max levelcap in the game? It's because they want you to still play to reach endgame while Sumeru drops.

I dont remember a lot of bugs and lags in genshin since global release. tof is incredibly unpolished, servers are lagging, sometimes fps is dropping and its ridiculous how easily you can cheat in this game by deleting one file and using cheat engine.

The difference is that Genshin and Hoyoverse in general don't actually outright steal stuff. Hoyo, at least at the very core of how it started, is comprised of anime fans. They like games, they like anime, they nod at it and pay tribute by ''copying'' it and don't blatantly slap ''its ours'' on it. Would be actually nice if people don't just repeat what others are saying, be it for Genshin(Hoyo in general) and ToF.

Crazy to me know Asmon, someone who doesn't even play genshin, is still able to look at things objectively when it comes to what is and isn't "content" infinitely better than 90% of the actual playerbase for the game . Edit: "I don't think it's the video game's responsibility to provide a platform for streamers to make content with it" Holy BASED . That entire segment was just so incredibly fucking based Jesus Christ.

I don't think this level of asset theft is comparable with the early comparisons between breath of the wild and genshin. Regardless of what you feel about either game, genshin did not steal assets from breath of the wild to directly paste into their game, the fixation on tower of fantasy is because they directly stole assets from Honkai Impact, and them stealing animations from that small japanese creator.

Excuse me, don't compare Tower of Fantasy to Genshin. Genshin did everything from their own asset modeled based on popular games. Tower of Fantasy is clearly just straight up stealing everything. Not just Honkai or Genshin. No Man's Sky, FF14, DMC, etc.

Genshin viewership highly depends on the events in the game, so like when there is dev live stream it's about 300k viewers or more. When there is some big update or interesting content, it's about 30-50k or more. Sometime at the end of a patch it can be around 7k

Tower of Fantasy is not called tower of Theft because it is a derivative work. It is called this way because they used literally stolen assets from Genshin Impact and Honkai ( 3d models etc.. ) while also stealing their reviews via bots. We are not talking about taking inspiration from X there, we are talking about stealing X and selling it saying it's yours.

Whoever said Genshin has no content... Genshin has no content because it is a casual game,the game itself target casual player,if you're a genshin content creator complain about no endgame content that a you problem ,why not play other game while also play genshin?. glad genshin is not for hardcore player,I rather spend 30 minutes than spend 3-4 hours doing thing that will eventually get boring,there are many people that has thing to do irl don't have much time to play, don't even bring "well they can just make it optional endgame content" no,if you think the genshin playerbase will happy with the endgame content that only give mora and exp then you're new. I played alot of pvp game and yeah it fun at first but week later it just boring because happen to every game,doing same thing will get you bored. If you find it fun,you just love winning or try to be the best player. Tof isn't any better than genshin,in fact,they can't even comparable,one game is mmo and one is rpg,one game focus on multiplayer,one game focus on single player but if we talking about overall rating,genshin over tof I hope he don't play genshin because he is just like another tectone

If you also played the game and noticed. There's ALOT of references or literal copies from borderlands 3 and 2. One of the ruins literally had the same statues and the interior plant life of eridian tombs. The small junkie mobs look the same as borderlands psychos and midgets. The locker model is the exact same in borderlands.

There's a huge difference between taking heavy inspiration from another game, copying another game, and outright stealing assets from another game.

That portion on how games are compared to the gold standard of their genre and why genshin streamers can get more frustrated with the game, felt insightful to watch. I also appreciate that Asmongold was pretty matter-of-factly when it came to genshin, being able to talk about its merits without being a “fan” or a “hater”.

The thing to remember about China and its most popular stuff is, usually a running thing or a long series, an example for games: Gujian 3 is the only one available to steam with limited translation, Sword fairy 7 is the same and is limited with English translation for even text, the systems they use may be different in looks or some may have certain elements added in that are not regularly used but are not uncommon. In fact one of the longest running Manhua is on it's 5-7 series (Each follow a different protagonist in the same universe usually thousands of years later) and has a very distinct are style, and it's translation to English is so slow that they leave it behind to work on the next one before even completing a series, basically spoiling everything and killing momentum. To admit, one series was rather unique, but outside that, the Wu Shu genre is so stagnant and repetitive there is a good chance you can predict an entire series once you read enough of them, and the good ones eventually drop off due to having to keep it going, thus worse carbon copies with the same tropes and power levels and names sprout up. It is a constant problem and it very quickly becomes a cycle of repeat and reuse. Korea is having this issue with is Manhwa industry, the series Solo Leveling was so popular and well received that is birthed dozens of others using the same powers, art style, hair cuts, a copy paste of the Main Character in terms of looks or skills, the same father is dead, mom is sick, sister is pretty and in debt with medical bills. The Full dive VRMMO genre is having the same problem in Korea, basically making worse versions of the same one that got popular. An earlier for of this would be the Black Butler craze, after it was published and got an anime, in which lots of suggestive BL (Boy Love) was in it, with a dark theme, an explosion of them came out betting more intense with their BL, even creating a genre for it. The author for Black Butler admitted she wanted to make a BL manga but didn't think it would sell well, considering the demographic for manga/anime, but she did pave the way for it. Which the BL genre fell into it's own pit of "it's practically softcore hentai with the junk blurred out," and it lost popularity for a while. Which points to a problem of people cashing in on a popular idea and people buying into it but in reality they had no idea what to do, much like the isekai genre, nothing but trash and pale imitations until you wanna gouge your eyes out. Unlike something like Berserk which no one could replicate.

I think Tower of Fantasy will be tested when Genshin's 3.0 Update drops if it can sustain most of it's current playerbase after it then it'll do fine. But I'm more excited about Wuthering Waves which will probably be the first true competition to Genshin.

Why cant some people understand that genshin is a casual story driven game in its core? if you find the game boring then its probably that you dont like the story. Simply stop playing and move on at that point.

2:30 Is not that the CN reviewers are savage is that Mihoyo fucked up the Anniversary so badly that both the CN and Global community went on a rampage, it took them two Versions to regain that score and it used to be way higher

Just some quick correction from soomeone that reads Chinese, the download number of Tower of Fantasy was about 1.13 million, while Genshin had about 19 million downloads. The figures are the data from that one single platform only, ofc.

Don't follow ToF but I was wondering why Keching has a bow and how there are a dozen people attacking the pyro regivine.

I think lot's of people are unhappy with TOF straight up stealing assets from other games like honkai impact, while genshin borrows heavily from BOTW at the beginning, it never direct stole any assets from BOTW that I know of.

In China, most people play mobile games or computer games, and there are sometimes squabbles about monetization of games, but most people are used to this payment model.

There was huge debate on if Genshin is copying Zelda when Genshin first lunches in China, and actually people were on Zelda side. However with time pass by and more patch released, it looks less likely a direct copy but same graphic theme

Is Asmon paying attention to the video? Tower of Fantasy is getting shit on because it's STEALING ASSETS not because it's a game made in the style of Genshin which was made in the style of BOTW. There's a huge difference to making a game in the same genre and literally stealing art, code, and reviews from other games. Jesus fuck man.

If someone in China steals wow and make a better version with waifus, I would play it.

Asmons favorite game

Thank you for being calm and objective about this. Tectone's video was so obnoxious whenever the guy said "Genshin is better". He got so pissed when that was said. Like, just because a game is better than another doesn't mean it doesn't have issues that need to be fixed. Thank you for also acknowledging that it's not just this guy that's biased, but he's explaining the biased views of the Chinese market that is obsessed with Genshin. Honestly I was so scared starting this video that'd it'd be a repeat of "genshin is so bad, why is he praising it so much?" like Teccy's video. As much as I like to watch Teccy now and then, I've just grown so tired of hearing him complain so much about the "lack of content" in the game, then continue to dump thousands of dollars on it to c6 a character for himself, then pour more money into it on other people's accounts as well.

Even though i think Genshin is overrated i completely disagree on genshin being derivative of BotW. I think BotW just set the standard for this genre. So i see it more like a new mmo adapting core features of the mmo genre which imo is totally different than stealing assets like weapons and characters or trailers.

Imagine you're a Genshin player. You've spent thousands of hours (and maybe even money) into the game. Why the HELL would you throw all that away to go play something that is practically the same game, only you'd have to start from scratch? It makes no sense. I sometimes see Genshin players say that ToF is better because "there's stuff to do", or complaining about how stale Genshin is. Well of course - it's a brand new game. OF COURSE there's gonna be stuff to do. This is no different than when Genshin comes out with a new area. Everybody suddenly LOVES Genshin again. People are forgetting that in a few months, no matter how good ToF is, you'll run out of areas to explore, monsters to kill, and bosses to fight. You'll be stuck waiting for content just like you do with Genshin. If you asked me to choose though, even if both of them released side by side, Genshin would still be the clear winner.

The thing is, its Tencent behind Tower of fantasy. And when it comes to malicious business behavior, its NEVER coincidence whenever they are involved. +maybe it is difficult for foreigner to get information, but do try to check out what happened between MHY and Tencent in the past, that will give you another perspective to look at ToF

"If you're paying for armor and you're mad cuz someone else got it for free, I don't care... It's funny to me" ... Didn't he just say in the video about adblocking that if someone pulls an immoral thing on you (in this case the gacha system), that doesn't justify you to do an immoral thing to them back (in this case breaking the system to get stuff for free)? ... Double standard again I see...

Since i like having my own character rather than using a prémade one, tof got my attention more than genshin, but in general, tof being launched is a great news, after all, genshin devs will no longer feel the freedom to mess up on events like how they did at the anniversary since they have a direct competition now.

To be fair, all of those games he listed at the beginning of the video that had more downloads than Tower have all been out for a year at minimum

I'm having fun with at the moment it but I'm not spending money on it because I don't see me playing it long term. Like new patch in FF will pull me away and I do wanna play the new ESO expansion at some stage.

He took bilibili as the only platform as the reference for Chinese video game ranking, and most of animation mobile games had special servers for bilibili users, and that's why there is download data on bilibili. But strictly speaking, to view the whole game industry, it would be better to see the data of app downloads. Btw, the number he quote had translation problem, 万 means 10 thousand, which means he literally add 1 more zeron on every number he quoted for game download data.

The Shure SM7B its a great mic ( make sure you also use a pre amp ie; - Cloud Microphones Cloudlifter CL-1 1-channel Mic Activator ) The bonus with the mic is that it is completely black and is not distracting.

"If you're gonna come at the king, you better not miss."

The game was so hyped, many popular streamer was sponsored by it and advertised it. And I gotta admit, I was excited too until I realized I couldn’t play it because experiences of many crashing and facing some issues. I have waited for this game just to see this bad result. Climbing in ladder, multiple servers/each regions being separated into north and south instead a whole, cant play when its queue/maintenance, crashing, not playable in certan devices, bugs at first launch, the use of controller, had to restart after downloading because of launch issue, poor storyline, no tutorial about diff elements (which is immuned and res to counter), subtitles being delay to the voiceover, went to beginning again in the repetitive story quest when log-in diff servers, third-party old bug problem, etc. Damn, so many bruh. The game has so many potential but was too rush. I thought it will be first released a long while but instead, launching it in aug 11.

btw their government official can take control of any account in existence... Game assets can be bought in 3rd party platform and it normally belongs to other starting out dev or major dev. it does not always mean game dev make the assets in house

Personally, the big issue that ToF has is the lack of polish. The controllers are just close to be great but they didnt release with controller option, the gameplay its close to be great but has some issues with hitboxes, I-frames and weird IA behaviour (the P2W on PvP its unforgivable tho), the UI just needed a bit more time to be less of a chore to move around, the conectivity on PVE needs to be less laggy and the audio... yeah... they REALLY need to fix it because it is really bad.

6:30 As far as I can remember, the devs do said that Genshin is heavily influenced by BOTW in terms of world exploration. But yeah, BOTW missed the chance of having a more popular game if only they consistently keep adding waifus.

Just waiting until the day Asmon will play my beloved Jenshin

8:10 That attack is not unique to Honkai Impact 3rd or ToF, it was first seen in S4 League with a hack that lets you buy unreleased items in 2011, and a Katina was released in 2013 that had the exact same ground pound attack. (its normal attacks were very anime related btw xD)

The Neumann TLM 103 would be a nice mic upgrade from the Shure.

All what he says about the copies is totally truth, even people copy from other people all the time. Thats How you get your personality after years. No one was born with his/her own personality. Same works with the games. No game in 2020 is totally original. But they can always improve.

There are things that I really like about tower of fantasy. Like being able to stick with the character I made or like for all weapons. Your character has a voice. The way limited banners roll over, the mmo aspects like group finding and world bosses. But in all other aspects Genshin is superior. Better story, waaay better music, more interesting combat with elemental combos and reactions, and overall much better polish and quality. It would be an easy 9/10 if not for the gacha for me.

sorry for asking ,where does asmon stream now, i dont see him on twitch for months now but this channel are updated with new videos

i hope he actually covers wuthering waves once it comes out, it beats genshin when it comes to mob variation, combat and sound design

I've been living in China for 7 years. Even though they make a ton of mobile games, almost all of them are monetized really fairly. There is "lootbox" legislation; for instance in hearthstone you just buy dust directly instead of buying card packs. They honestly make some pretty damn good games even with limited resources and subject to censorship. Even if they want to export a game overseas, it still has to pass some censors, who are nearly all 70 year old out of touch hyper-conservative boomers. They got around this with Honor of Kings by outsourcing some of the team to foreigners when they realeased Arena of Valor as it's counterpart in 2017. They just now finally managed to get Honor of Kings in its full form into open beta in a few developing countries (Mexico, Turkey, Brazil). It's a really good game with non-predatory non-p2w monetization. If they can lift the laws about censorship of exported games, there could be some great games coming out of China eventually. But things are going toward China being more and more like North Korea and less and less free since Papa bear eliminated term limits and implied he was gonna be big papa for life.

compared to the average gacha (no pity or pity at 300, rampant powercreep and content built around using only the new creep to be able to beat it) genshin is "cheap" by eastern standards, here in the west it became famous and since it's peoples 1st gacha they dont have the gacha experience to do a comparison of it with other gachas. not that genshin isnt greedy, it is, but you can't say you need to spend money to beat its content. it is pay2simp not pay2win.

Genshin impact is simply way WAYYY more polished in almost every aspect except multiplayer than tower of fantasy. RU-vid videos sometimes make these two seem comparable, but they really are not.

DLC: A set purchase that Furthers your experience and enjoyement of a game you probly already really like by adding in extra content, ofc. you have to if you're buying DLC for it. Or maybe you buy a weapon or skin that comes later down the line, while those are microtransactions as well, at least they have a set value and you get exactly what you pay for. Microtransactions, it's a term that accompanies a broad spectrum of possible purchases. But overall when it involves gacha games, you're Paying for a CHANCE to obtain something under some arbitrary B.S of a number, eventually reaching such a numerable amount of clicks, you've lost your money and gained nothing, or gained something of such little value in comparison.

"I was one of the first one to use the SHURE SM7B" Uhm.... Beatboxers used it for ages, Michael Jackson recorded songs on it, Podcasters used it for over 15 years... This mic is around for ages and an industry staple. Also many Twitch streamers used it way before Asmon.

seriously its so hard to people to enjoy both games? i do enjoy both and we need competition from both so both games can prosper and strive.

Hello asmongold i love your videos especially on this topics, for me i just love to play games i enjoy playing different games, it happens to us gamers that we get bored of a game then play other new released games, i dont like comparing them just as long as i enjoy these games.

What streaming tools do you use? (Mic and Camera?)

my impression after 5 days playing tower of fantasy : 1. the game is so buggy, i said buggy it's because it happened to me multiple times like suddenly sinking to the ground, throwing ball of the cliff with no reason, and whatever. 2. the server is so laggy, to the point where i walking alone i suddenly teleported to random places, or having my character teleported to location A, and my camera at location B. also fighting world boss in a party is not fun at all, the animation sucks, i cant even tell when where and what are the boss throwing at me. the perfect dodge that trigger some kind of time freezing somehow made my character stunned, paralized, or knocked back for no reason. skills sometime not properly triggered, delayed, or even not triggered at all. 3. the higher the level, the more "grindier" it become. i mean, it's not 100% bad, but as someone who played on the first day, i dont want to left behind by my friend in terms of character progression just because i worked on the day, and now it takes hours of playtime just for leveling from 30 to 33. if you play game from sunset to sunrise then maybe its not a problem, but for someone who can only play for 3-4 hours this is problem for me.

I heavily disagree on "its funny" when sth that is advertized to be limited is given for free. I get the logic of - you have a ton of money so shut up. But realistically, what you are normalizing is called - a scam. If you tell people they have to pay to receive something and the day after give it out for free - it is a definition of false advertisiment and a scam. Additionally, shaming people for spending money for games is very oldschool. It is a hobby as any other, by this logic people should also not go out drinking or buy a book as it is just a hobby. I never whaled in my life, but I really am tired of this oldschool perspective that spending money on a game is wrong, especially from streamer and youtubers who mostly live off the fact that us watching them is our hobby and many people support them financially too...are they fools for it? I really hope he can rething his position on this.

yup, viewer count when drops is enabled for a game is indicative of the amount of players a given game has, so if viewers goes up by 10-20-50k, well, then you know that that's how many are invested in the game and play regularly

10:53 there's a saying where I'm from: "Better well stolen than badly invented."

Tower of fantasy already came out for 2 months now in China , and it seems like most of the people is quiting the game for not being friendly saying the story is bad , endgame not good enough , you can hardly find people to fight bosses , too much hackers , cheats and bugs in the game , pretty much saying the game is pretty bad. But at last this is what a saw on the comments they give on the internet . Who knows ? Let’s see what the global server can do in 2 months . Give some more opinions to discuss

Why do people get upset when a game has things that are similar. I understand that something like character design is something that shouldn't be copied, but something like movements and weapons, quite seriously, always look a little similar, or am I seeing it wrong ?

That last line at the end responding to someone's statement was so fkn good, lmao.

Tower of Fantasy probably should have not tried so hard to "copy" Genshin; you can see it in its UI. When copying a game that has a lot of acclaim, it will inevitably be compared to it, and a lot of its production values (graphical and sound) just look very cheap in comparison. I think it should have just tried to be its own thing, it could have still had waifus and anime but with a very different look and feel.

I have to disagree of when u said "if this wasn't a gacha, it would be a better game" cuz let's be honest, most of these games wouldn't even exist if they weren't gacha, cuz gacha is and was already a sub-category of games, it every gacha game took the gacha out of it it would be mostly an overwhelming amount of either RPG games or idle games/turn based games, I think the market would be over saturated, I think the gacha system kinda keeps players limited in a sense that they focus more on one or two games of that type, not to mention these companies have to make money, Genshin for example wouldn't be able to grow not even 10% of what it has if all the money came from cosmetics or something, which they barely have right now, it just doesn't work in the context of that game and many others, and I'll just bring up the good old argument that you can clear the good gacha games without paying a cent while also being quite powerful if u just play it regularly, u might never be at the level of a whale but like in Genshin's case it's not like u have to fight or compete against the whales, just focus on your own fun with what you have, it does feel better and more fulfilling when u get a character after saving for so long, or even the hyped waiting time for a rerun of a character that you've been wanting for so long, that's what creates so much media content and hype around genshin impact. Spending money just makes the game easier or more comfortable at times, it was never obligatory, only those that have money to spend on games spend it on them so it's no big deal.

Genshin's art style was perhaps slightly derivative of both and some of their animations are derivative of nier and dmc but ToF has a ton of motifs and attack animations and character designs that border on IP theft and cheap asset flips.

A lot of good takes after he watches the video here. Not just for ToF but in terms of how people view Genshin content. I do feel ToF does provide that alternative to Genshin that people are seeking in some ways, specifically that when Genshin's content is dried up until the next update, people will play ToF's content and vice-versa.

Mostly biggest thing I noticed even I saw many similiarities, like move sets in GI and bland graphics for me actually are in HI3, and weapons also from HI3 either, but you can customise mc like GI character and sets from GI. Well about biggest one, Crow looks like Diluc.

Actually, remember the time when Warner Bros attempted to copyright a gaming MMO mechanic that irked so many developers? That is becase Gaming is built upon the concept of building off of older, existing mechanics, and improving from there. What is copyrightable, however, are the assets, characters, etc., as they are the 'art form' of gaming, the 'vehicle' to present the mechanics to the public. So in essence, Genshin is inspired from BOTW, which takes inspiration to older RPG games, which also got inspiration from the Tabletop D&D games.

9:12 The first streamer to do a Sub-a-thon was actually DansGame and Ludwig is the one who 'stole' it, not the way you've portrayed it.

the only thing i really dislike about the game so far is the lack of mob variety and the dodging wish it had inf frames bc istg sometime when i dodge and it doesnt ts i take damage

I decided to be a F2P and not spend any money and I got both King and Simar both at C1 without spending a dime. Don't have Nem yet using black crystals, but expect to at least get her and maybe C1 of her through black crystals by end of her banner. Then will wait till her next banner to get more. I hit rank 3 on they Bygone tower. There's been so much I've done even after the level cap per day, at least for me this is how I've felt and what I've done.

The point is that no game is going to compete with the polishing Genshin has, and even then Genshin has some quirks. The way Tower of Fantaasy goes is *gasp* actually trying to do something different, being a game with a shared world like a mmo is a nice change of pace, the mobility of the game makes travelling not a big deal but it's fun anyway. And the combat isn't as atrocious as this video makes it look like, it's more like another Mihoyo game, Honkai Impact. But yea, some aspects are lacking and the game is rough around the edges, most people won't look past that, but the ones that does are having great fun. I know we can't expect the game to have so many updates as genshin or even that the game lives as long tho.

Tower of Fantasy's gameworld is supposed to be full of corruption EVERYWHERE, which is why the titular female character gets instantly corrupted when her repulsor or limiter or whatever they call the thing breaks. But you don't see any corruption in the gameworld at all. Instead what you see is green grass, blue sky, clear water, healthy animals, etc. Hell there are even a ton of raiders wandering around the gameworld. So how are there so many healthy human raiders if the world is so allegedly full of corruption? The game world does not match the setting or story in any capacity.

I find the game fun so far but I feel that part of it is that I'm playing how I want to and not whatever the meta is, ie. I like using the dual guns, ice turret, plus the shield, I hope we get gauntent or fighter style weapons soon, if not soon, means i can keep saving rolls while everyone wasting theirs on katana and swords

the thing a like about TOF existing is no this game isn't a genshin killer but its an interesting alternative that might make the genshin community want more good systems and actually get them this time now that genshin is a bit older we might get a better game in the future who knows but having competition is alleys good

To be fair, most people are still in a honeymoon phase with TOF right now. People are willing to ignore the cracks in the foundation to a large extent because they haven't been massively effected by the issues. Give it a couple more weeks when everyone has collected all the in game pulls, they've explored the map fully, and their is no real reason to be doing much of anything in the game. Loot from chests in general at this point is just trash. Literally we're collecting trash level white items most of the time that at best only have a use in mass expenditure like the white level weapon xp batteries. TOF has exactly the same problem built into the game that most of these gotcha games have built in. The game is only as fun and viable until you reach the end of the campaign in most cases and then it's a matter of how much money you're willing to pump into the game. When the majority of the player base hits that point is when people at large are going to drop it virtually over night.

Genshin also review botted and abused the Google play system to delete reviews but people love to ignore that because it's popular

The most apparent for me was the music in Banges. It’s from FF15. When ai heard it, took me back to the FF game.

In China mobile games usually have many differnet servers specific to each game store, the game store shown in the video is only for bilibili server, instead of the official server where most people play the games. The downloads for ToF is 1.13 million and Genshin is 19 million, this person somehow inflated all the download numbers by 1000%. Genshin was bombarded with negative reviews ever since the first PV came out by self-claimed "BOTW fans" coming into existence out of nowhere for ripping off a fake BOTW PV edited with multiple real BOTW PV and in-game footage to mirror Genshin PV. None of those "BOTW fans" were able to tell BOTW never released said PV in the first place. It was some crazy time.

Dude , people need to know how good PGR is , from the story and gameplay to the music.

Genshin Impact never stole assets. Models they used were taken from Honkai Impact which was the game they created before Genshin Impact.

The history behind Genshin Impact is wild. Originally Genshin was supposed to be distributed by one of the major games distributors in China. The developers and the distributor had a falling out which led to Genshin deciding to do its own launch on all platforms. Everyone expected it to fail. This distributor that shall not be named even tried to rally the Chinese antis against the game which is why you see Genshin have 200 million negative reviews. But it turns out that you can't keep a good game down and the game succeeded beyond anyone's wildest dreams, to the point where the distributor mentioned tried to extend an olive branch to (then miHoYo) and was rebuffed. This created armies for and against Genshin Impact and now big money is trying to create the Genshin killer, much like how companies tried to make WoW killers in the past.

I remember a teacher told me “everything is just a copy but different and there is nothing truly new or innovative” In the context of product design way back in high school is very true not just in product design but all designs really games, movies, products in general. Something new or innovative is super rare. From the top of my head I think the iPhone was the last new and innovative thing in the last 2 decades and look at things now all slim bricks with screens. Yah remember when there were phones (with traditional buttons) that happen to be able to store music or play games? Phones like the Sony Ericsson Walkman and around that time before iPhone came out. Or before that we had those brick phones size of literal bricks until Nokia or another company I forgot which made the mini brick. In this case wouldn’t call it new because the brick and mini were phones but innovative for the sheer reduction in size and consumer friendliness. But anyways thank you for reading my Ted talk on rambling ima head out

It's funny that a non Genshin player has an extremely far better take on Genshin then the content creators that focused on Genshin.

The two things I wish genshin had were dungeons and good co op. Not only do tower of fantasy does both well, they have co op mechanics and the ruins feels like mini Zelda dungeons with the puzzles. The deeper the game you go the mechanics gets better and dungeons becoming a bit deeper.

If you want to be sponsored by Genshin, usually they have a lot of sponsorships when the big patch comes out like 1.0 or 2.0 or 3.0 now.

the thing i like about asmongold is that his opinion is not bias and just base on all of his experience with many games he has played through.