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So in that chaotic last grand prix at Abu Dhabi, all of the regulations seemed to go out of the window. Latifi crashed and sparked it all, and with only four laps to go, the Race Dictator (I mean Race Director), Michael Masi made some (odd) decisions - but did he break his own rules?
Well, Mercedes (predictably) say yes, and Red Bull (predictably) say no. So let's go over the rules, as well as the arguments from both sides. Let’s go.
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So as we know, on lap 54 out of 58 - Latifi stuck it in the wall. Meaning that (at least) 2 or 3 laps of Safety car was needed to clear up both the Williams and its bargeboards that were scattered over the track.
So at this point, Lewis couldn’t pit - for fear of losing track position to Max and then the race not getting started again - that would have been a real blunder - imagine.
So Lewis stayed out, and Red Bull (for obvious reasons) tried something different and boxed Max for some softs. However, half the field didn’t follow Max in. Leaving Norris, Alonso, Ocon, LeClerc and Vettel who passed - putting them between Hamilton and Verstappen.
So Michael Masi, the Race Director has a few choices here.
Either Red Flag the race, meaning the order would be restored, everyone could change tyres and there would be a fair 1v1, 4 lap battle for the championship.
But Masi would have had to call that straight away. And it would’ve been an unusual call when neither the driver, nor barrier, looked to be damaged.
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@Driver61
@Driver61 2 года назад
Right, which option would you have picked if you were Masi? What do you think was the fairest option? Keep those comments civil, just like you guys normally do! Cheers for watching guys, *don't forget to subscribe!*
@corduroyspoon9346
@corduroyspoon9346 2 года назад
Whilst I agree that any does not mean all, I will point out that the regs say any cars that have been lapped, not any lapped cars. This would imply that the use of any means not all cars,and it then goes on to specify which cars (those that have been lapped)
@corduroyspoon9346
@corduroyspoon9346 2 года назад
A red flag may have been deemed unjustified due to no barrier damage and we might all still be having these conversations if that had happened. I would have gone with the option of trying to get all the lapped cars past so that it remains fair and sainz and tsunoda may also have had a shot at the race win
@SpeculativeConjecture
@SpeculativeConjecture 2 года назад
I think it's key to remember the teams and Masi agreed they wanted to end the races racing after Baku. This was the key boiling point in this whole mess!
@elessard
@elessard 2 года назад
Red flag would’ve made it fair for everyone to battle for positions for 3-4 laps, and on new tyres. Some rules must change and must also be applied correctly.
@mEDVINd_golf
@mEDVINd_golf 2 года назад
I would love for it to be a rule stating that if it is less than 10 laps left , a car dnf on track would lead to a red flag. I also believe that people can make a wrong call, just like any other sport. Once a race it should be over just like any other sport. If Masi realized he was in the wrong, admit it and move on, shit happens.
@Pro_Blunder
@Pro_Blunder 2 года назад
In a sport where you can get disqualified from qualifying for a 1mm discrepancy in a rear wing, how is it that the rules aren’t kept as strictly for the director, stewards and FIA?!?
@andrewgreen5892
@andrewgreen5892 2 года назад
Simple answer is that Red Bull were given a different and often diametrically opposite set of rules. The actual rule was that the FIA wanted s new champion
@Rob2000
@Rob2000 2 года назад
Disqualification, forget it. He had two races to get by. Disqualification is not driving at all. Masi made a lot of strange and not uniform decisions this year, but he was trying to finish teh championschip racing. I think in the end he just got fed up with Toto screaming and begging to him. (I know I would have)
@RaptorV1USA
@RaptorV1USA 2 года назад
It was like .03 mm for fucks sake...
@andrewgreen5892
@andrewgreen5892 2 года назад
@@Rob2000 But he didn't get sick of Horner doing the same and worse. Funny that
@artnull13
@artnull13 2 года назад
@@RaptorV1USA 0.2mm but you know far less than 1mm
@Tomwithnonumbers
@Tomwithnonumbers 2 года назад
If Masi can choose how many cars can unlap themselves, it means he has the power to give anyone he wishes a double digit time advantage at his whim
@jt80995
@jt80995 2 года назад
The only drivers who should have been allowed to unlap is Vettel and Leclerc. Then the order would have been the same as before the safety car, and the restart would have been fair.
@theruztygaming6406
@theruztygaming6406 2 года назад
Well yeah, He has the choice as to whether he wants to deploy a VSC or a Safety car. So yes he inadvertently has the ability to bunch up the pack. He also has the chance to introduce a Red flag which can again nullify a lead.
@DRSRACING
@DRSRACING 2 года назад
🧂
@kekke2000
@kekke2000 2 года назад
Just like a football ref can give a red card to an innocent player.
@yeah2011bb
@yeah2011bb 2 года назад
It’s a lot worse than that ... his interpretation means that he can give us an unsafe restart by simply allowing a train of cars to just overtake the leader and then immediately restart the race ... this isn’t permitted by the rules explicitly.
@jcchaconjr
@jcchaconjr 2 года назад
Bah, at the end of the day, it seems senseless to have ANY rules if there's a rule saying that the RD can decide not to follow them... and honestly, I can't blame Mercedes for not pitting, so close to a race end that could have ended under caution. If Red Bull were in that position, I doubt they would have pitted either.
@stevewilliams2498
@stevewilliams2498 2 года назад
Yeah. But don't cry tears when it back fires ?
@robertoriordan4083
@robertoriordan4083 2 года назад
Exactly, what if Mercedes pitted and race ended in safety car, all fans would be amazed at such a stupid call
@jayb2705
@jayb2705 2 года назад
5 laps left, avg duration of a safety car is 3-4 laps. The incident itself isn't serious, neither the car, driver or barrier is badly damaged and they are at a corner that has marshals and moving equipment. The chance of the race resuming is very high.
@robertoriordan4083
@robertoriordan4083 2 года назад
@@jayb2705 it is more about the release of lapped cars, not the actual restart. First to say lapped cars to stay, Red Bull give out, then change mind to lapped cars can over take but only the cars between Leeis and Max and not the other cars.
@jayb2705
@jayb2705 2 года назад
@@robertoriordan4083 I get your point. But the Mercedes strategy team can only base their decision on what they know at the time. That is the accident is minor and there is a chance the race will resume, the teams also wanted green flag finishes where possible. Only 5 lapped cars to pass is a different thing, the Mercedes team wouldn't make their decision to not pit thinking lapped cars remain in place, they assume Verstappen stays out if they pit which reverses the order.
@jnc1771
@jnc1771 2 года назад
I m sure some will have said but those cars allowed to unlap themselves were denied the chance of finishing in the positions they had been before the ruling by masi. So all those teams were disadvantaged also. This is more than just Lewis and max. It affected detrimentally the whole race order.
@robertslaughter7044
@robertslaughter7044 2 года назад
Maybe, like the FIA says, they will fix it next year... The entire Yellow Flag, Double Yellow Flag, Vertual Safety Car, Safety Car, Red Flag, un-lap/or not, Standing Start, Rolling Start, and Pit Lane Starts... All of this fiasco is what one gets when they let every idiot in the room submit any stupid idea they can think of... So long as it's a safety idea... Safety ideas can't be criticized... So how about... One can't pass, at the scene of a crash, under any Local Yellow flag... One can't pass any-where when the entire track is Yellow Flagged, but if possible the pits are open... If the track is unsafe at speed, a Vertual Safety Car is deployed, the pits are open. If the track presents a danger; to the drivers, spectators, track crews or marshals. Then the Safety Car goes on track and leads the entire field onto the pit lane, the pits are closed, and a Red Flag is displayed. The Track is Closed, until it is fixed, and safe to race on again. No laps are counted. Once the track is fixed , the safety car drives one lap to confirm that the track is safe. Then, and only then, the safety car parks and the cars exit the pit lane in their proper order.... With their Pre-Safety Car spacing, and at the pit lane speeds, entering the track under a Green Light. If the track is opened with too much rain the cars could be allowed to enter, under a full track yellow light, until it's safe to pass. I defy anyone to think of a safer way to restarting. All this Safety Car leading a pack of cars around an unsafe track is a stupid idea. If the track is unsafe.... GET OFF... Restarting from the pit lane preserves the race status. Restarting from the pit lane is at pit lane speed + a single car at a time. Nothing could be safer. How fast one goes once they enter the track, is up to each driver and their individual skills. Under Green or Yellow. The Safety Car Nevers does more than 1 lap as it leads the cars to the pit lane, and then later, 1 lap to confirm that the track is safe. The Safety Car, with the Doctor inside, fallows the start from the grid as it does now..... But the restarts ALL take place from the pit lane, with the safety car parked in it's home spot.
@aditya4622
@aditya4622 2 года назад
@@robertslaughter7044 drivers will start racing at the pit exit as there is no speed limit there and pile up on each other as this sport is so competitive that every point and every position matters....all the above rules you made up do make a bit of sense but have loop holes for teams to exploit....
@richfoley7885
@richfoley7885 2 года назад
Unh?? The cars that were allowed to unlap themselves ended exactly in the same position that they were in under the Safety Car. Were you watching a different race?
@robertslaughter7044
@robertslaughter7044 2 года назад
@@richfoley7885 ... I believe that the cars, that were allowed to un-lap, we're in 7th, 8th, 9th & 10th. They were involved in their own race for points. That is why Lewis Hamilton burned up two seconds passing them. Being the fix was in, they had to move these cars out of Max Verstappen way. There is no way Max could have passed them and Lewis too. But the lapped cars behind Max Verstappen, 6th, 5th & a back marker were not allowed to un-lap... So why were 7,8,9,&10 not promoted to 5th, 6th, 7th & 8th? According to the actual rules, all the lapped car should have been allowed to un-lap if any were allowed. What about Ferrari? They re-started the race with two lapped cars between them and Max, how is that right? This is what happens when Cheaters are allowed to cheat. Max Verstappen is the Cheaters Champion.
@robertslaughter7044
@robertslaughter7044 2 года назад
@@aditya4622 ... Each car would be released (green light at the end of the pit lane) according to their race position, each according to their timed spacing. In this case Lewis Hamilton would be released, WHEN THE TRACK IS SAFE AGAIN... then 8sec later each of the 5 lapped cars 1/2 second apart... then Max Verstappen... then a few seconds later the first of the three cars.... Etc... Until all the cars, on the pit lane, have been released. The pit lane is closed to maintenance, but those that want to work on their cars could enter their pits for service, instead of lining up on the pit lane. those that pit would be released after the last car on the pit lane.. and in the order they arrived into their pits.
@brentmcknight5344
@brentmcknight5344 2 года назад
How about Sainz? 100% gets forgotten in that mess. He had a chance to fight for that win. That decision to only let the lap cars between LH and MV totally disregards every other competitor. As you mentioned in this video he pretty much did said exactly that. Put the spectacle before the sport
@pup76
@pup76 2 года назад
I agree, If Sainz gets past Max on his new softs... he would have probably got Lewis too. lets not forget P4 also could have challenged and had a say in the outcome. My view is it should have finished under the safety car, would have been a bit of an anti climax but there would be no controversy. The end of this season has left a very bitter taste, regardless of who you wanted to be crowned champ.
@btoiscool
@btoiscool 2 года назад
Bro just stop. He was slower on old mediums, he wasn't winning anything
@weedfreer
@weedfreer 2 года назад
completely agree...the fact he was on older mediums matters not...just, what exactly was Hamilton using again? Ferrari are meant to be the oldest/longest running and, therefore, most respected manufacturer on the track. Regardless, they were in the running for a podium position...not just the podium position that they were effectively pinned down to by the race director.
@btoiscool
@btoiscool 2 года назад
@@weedfreer you are absolutely buggin if you think Carlos was in the running for anything but third at that point
@josearaujo8616
@josearaujo8616 2 года назад
Did Sainz and Ferrari appeal?
@alecsimpson6423
@alecsimpson6423 2 года назад
Sainz"s final lap was compromised by the decision- he was denied the opportunity to challenge for second place.
@tompotter84
@tompotter84 2 года назад
Spot on. But allowing Sainz a shot at Verstappen or Hamilton might have ruined the media shots of the Merc & RB at the finish line. We can't have that you know.
@chanjustin4373
@chanjustin4373 2 года назад
@@tompotter84 it also meant that it costed Bottas a shot at the podium, as he said
@caio5987
@caio5987 2 года назад
This is a red herring as realistically he wouldn’t have done it But look at tsunoda. He finished 4th but was denied trying to go for third which would have been his first podium
@alexandremarino3531
@alexandremarino3531 2 года назад
exactly! it was an advantage to Max also, he was never challenged in the restart by Carlos because of that cars.
@bek00l
@bek00l 2 года назад
@@caio5987 he was also ‘robbed’ of the chance to finish 5th mate
@just-a-yt-guy
@just-a-yt-guy 2 года назад
My question is what's the point of rules when there are other rules that in effect say they can be ignored by the Race Director. How can teams make important strategy decisions when the rules on which they base those decisions can just be ignored with no notice given. Surely the overide rules should only be used where safety is an issue, not simply to make a better TV spectical. The FIA will never admit the end of this race was a shambles but that is what it was.
@Jacopski
@Jacopski 2 года назад
I agree, they need to make a set of rules that make sense for once instead of just changing them every time someone exploits a grey area, I’m in favour of max and glad he won but it’s clear as day that the fia want to make money, we have seen too many tracks from terrible human rights countries been signed for massive pay checks and what’s sad is that drive to survive will probably make a hell of a lot more money from a simple decision of bending the rules at the last race, I don’t believe they wanted max to win I just believe they wanted to make more money and they have definitely succeeded in that
@kralg
@kralg 2 года назад
@@Jacopski They even raised the popularity of F1, thanks to this 'incident', check out the number of videos and comments on the topic. I bet even the appeal of Mercedes is just part of the show, because it will keep the attention on for a long time...
@CorvusCorax12d
@CorvusCorax12d 2 года назад
@@kralg they ready dropped it. Look at Toto drunk crowdsurfing on Sunday night. That's not someone that's bothered by the choice and fighting the FIA over it. All the teams knew and all the teams know how to respond to these things. Having more fans and views wouldn't hurt anyone in the grid, teams or Race Control. And I'm not mad about that. If that means we can make F1 great again and then focus on the driving for the next season, all the more to them. For the past 5 or 6 years F1 has been more of a show than a proper motor racing sport IMO, and it's time we focus on the racing part of the sport and not the money/advertising
@jnc1771
@jnc1771 2 года назад
Even this rule quoted was inconsistent with what the rule said. It did not say Masi could ignore rule 4.12 or those around it merely said Masi had overriding authority between him and the clerk of the course. So if there was a problem Masi had final say with the local clerk of each race as he had supreme authority. This however did not mean he could ignore the safety car procedures because of the show he had to apply the rules as written and do them even if we finished under safety car.
@Jacopski
@Jacopski 2 года назад
@@kralg yep i wouldnt be surprised if merc and the fia reached a settlement secretly just like with ferrari a few years ago
@delusionalaar4031
@delusionalaar4031 2 года назад
It’s insane how the teams have a direct phone line to the race director. I was never on board with this because they could influence him. Bizarre
@anthony-joewaked5139
@anthony-joewaked5139 2 года назад
1. The way I see it, since article 15 is about the officials, the “overriding authority” of the race director is overriding the clerk, not the rules 2. Not impeding the racing is applicable to all cars without any exception, not just the top 2 3. A “general agreement” is not above law and so is every single official
@DERP_Squad
@DERP_Squad 2 года назад
If 15.3e gives Masi authority to overrule 48.1-48.15 then 15.3d gives him authority to overrule 38.1-38.11, especially 38.10, so why bother with qualifying, Masi decides who starts where.
@pfm57
@pfm57 2 года назад
Thank you for point 1, this "overriding authority" argument is just sand in the eyes. The rule text is clear cut. The race director has overriding authority over the race clerk (the person who supervises the track-side marshals) not over the rules. The notion that the race director would have overriding authority over the rules is just absurd.
@bensabraham4863
@bensabraham4863 2 года назад
masi basically said that just max and lewis matter or only max matters as except the 1 and 2 positions nothing else matters ...is this a sport or a kdrama with masi as the director
@Kestrel626
@Kestrel626 2 года назад
@@pfm57 Correct, as I read it makes it clear he has the authority to override any decision made by race officials. It doesn't allow him to change any rules. The any lapped cars wording should be changed to all lapped cars, although I believe it refers to any of the cars in the race that have been lapped & in no way means some of the cars.
@stormmeansnowork
@stormmeansnowork 2 года назад
15.3 allows the RD to have overriding authority IN THE FOLLOWING MATTERS (i.e. the ones listed under the paragraph shown in 4:52) and the clerk may give orders ONLY WITH [the RD's] express agreement. Article 15.3 is a rule that opens the door for complete authority on the said matters. It is not the problem of this particular RD, but the ones that wrote the laws. 15.3(a to c) clearly stated that the overriding authority has to be in accordance to the Code or Sporting Regulations, where as 15.3(d and e) did not have such mentioning. This is why there is a wide opened door for some to interpret 15.3(e) as having overriding authority over all rules in relation to safety car usage, which I see as a mild bending of law as this would defeated the purpose of having so many rules in different aspects in the first place. But if one have had a chance to write regulations or user agreements for a company or school, there is usually this kind of things that allows the ones who write the laws to have final say when there's no agreement on a matter...
@bgriffin4341
@bgriffin4341 2 года назад
6:19 Masi states that the purpose of letting cars unlap themselves is "so they don't affect the racing". But Sainz, in third, was left with two lapped cars between himself and 2nd place Verstappen - so his race was affected, along with many other drivers further down the order who might have had a chance to improve their position at the restart. Having said all that, congratulations to Max - he delivered many outstanding races this year and made sure he was in a position to take advantage at the end.
@dominicfrank77
@dominicfrank77 2 года назад
This is a HUGE point that I never considered! Carlos should appeal as well for not getting a chance to win the race! Masi is the worst and rewrote history.......Lewis is the real champion and we all know it...MAX and his deadbeat dad know it.....Horner knows it.......what a sham.
@sukisuki9120
@sukisuki9120 2 года назад
But they were doing flying lap and Sainz didnt lap those cars that max and hamilton lapped.So he cant overtake them to be behind Verstapen because he wasnt phsycaly behind Verstapen,only on time.So no his race wasn't affected because he was no where near Verstapen on time or on schedule of the driver orders because he didnt lap the cars that Max and Ham lapped...
@bgriffin4341
@bgriffin4341 2 года назад
@@dominicfrank77 I notice that someone further down has made a similar point, so I'm far from the first to spot it. Max is an outstanding talent and a worthy champion nonetheless. And I've never met his Dad, so I'll be civil and reserve judgement 🙂
@mpumelelomadevu7012
@mpumelelomadevu7012 2 года назад
@@sukisuki9120 that doesnt make sense Verstappen never lapped the ones in front of him, thats the very reason he was behind them in the first place. Verstappen was also no where near hamilton, a full 10+ seconds behind before the SC so why apply that logic only to Sainz Regardless. time and schedule and who lapped how many doesnt matter, the safety car bunches up the field and wipes any gap advantage anyone had. The regulations state that any car lapped by the leader(hamilton) has to unlap themselves, and that includes more than just the 4 between Verstappen and Hamilton
@C.I...
@C.I... 2 года назад
I would say it was worth considering telling all the lapped cars to enter the pit lane behind the safety car, before releasing them when the field had come past. Not entirely sure why that's not already the rule - 1 less lap of fuel/tyres isn't going to make a backmarker that much more competitive.
@btet19
@btet19 2 года назад
Rules only work when they are easy to understand.The rules should be you resume the race as it was when it was stopped .Meaning Hamilton starts behind the safety car .Then the 4 cars start were they were behind him same distance and time at that moment behind Hamilton then verstappen . Verstappen was given two advantages 1 he didn't have to make up 11 secs .2 he didn't have to pass the 4 cars Hamilton had to pass to maintain this 11 second lead .That's the easiest way to do it start the race as It was when it stopped .
@jantje.96
@jantje.96 2 года назад
No reason to do so. The treath of a safety car or a VSC is part of te exitement of f1. Both teams are able to react to it and pit when it happens, Mercedes just failed to bring Hamilton in.
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@ozijay3000
@ozijay3000 2 года назад
@@jantje.96 so u felt Hamiltion should pit and loose track position so that SC can cruise Max to finish line then everyone will blame Mercedes for the gamble lol, gt a life.
@PopeBrak
@PopeBrak 2 года назад
Seems a Red Flag was really the only fair thing to have done. Max's championship victory would have been all that more justified had it been a more evenly-matched final sprint. At the end of the day, I'm extremely proud of both Max and Lewis. They are two of the greatest drivers the sport has ever seen, and they gave us one hell of a season. Love your balanced analysis, mate. Thank YOU for a great season, as well!
@Fredz1234Yahoo
@Fredz1234Yahoo 10 месяцев назад
Safety car all the way in? Most common
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@erikgonzalez2486 5 месяцев назад
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@PopeBrak
@PopeBrak 5 месяцев назад
Hail Brak!
@adams0020
@adams0020 2 года назад
Thank you so much for your analysis. I'm Dutch and obviously want Max to win, but it really felt like the carpet was pulled out from under Lewis and that this race (like many more this season) was decided more by the race officials than the drivers. Thanks for putting the arguments to that feeling, it helps everyone who wants to know what exactly happened.
@Nate34
@Nate34 2 года назад
I feel bad for both drivers because Hamilton lost what he was surely going to win and Max’s well deserved championship is tarnished by Masi’s decision
@josephb6652
@josephb6652 2 года назад
Both are great teams and drivers, and a clear race victory was expected and accepted, whichever way it went.....we are F1 fans and know this was wrong....
@Alanjamessouthey
@Alanjamessouthey 2 года назад
I'm a LEWIS fan , but was having happy feeling max might get his first world championship. But the poor boy will have to live with this win , that was not quite a win Sadly
@minirock000
@minirock000 2 года назад
May I ask, why does being Dutch compel you to want Max to win? Nationalism? I am American, does that mean I am not allowed to even watch since there are no drivers that represent my country? That isn't a serious question. This was the first race I actually watched to completion. just some highlights here or there or NASCAR when stuck at other's houses. I did get sucked in and for some reason when Max passed Hammy I shouted NO! I felt ridiculous. I don't really care about either but I know Hammy more because of Top Gear and Max, he is so hard to look at, you know. Not what you would consider the dashing racecar driver that man for sure. So it is just Nationalism for you? I have never felt compeled to support anything just because it was my country and I had to. I do agree and that explains my outburst as I stated earlier, was that it didn't seem right and then when I learn more, it doesn't seem fair. Not to the drivers really but that the FIA gets to play so loosely with their own rules. I do think Max did earn the championship win but maybe not this race win. You know? Yes I know life isn't fair but nobody said it doesn't have to be and that the house is still on fire and we are all just watching the tele.
@adamshaw5999
@adamshaw5999 2 года назад
Good work, Daan. Being Dutch and being that open to the arguments around the race is awesome Restores faith in the F1 fan population
@tomgates316
@tomgates316 2 года назад
Add a rule that when say, when 8 or less laps remain in the race, any incident that may draw a Safety Car is immediately Red Flagged in these last laps. Clear/repair the track and put the cars back out on the track in the exact order they were. No moving lapped cars out. Or move them all to the back in their proper order. This would eliminate the time/laps wasted while the Director ponders options and preserve the ability to finish under Green Flag conditions. Automatic stop, sort it out, make sure the right and proper actions are taken. Under this "end of laps only" Red Flag - no tire changes or car alterations/fixes. Red Flag begins at moment of the incident, no Boxing because you were a turn or two from the Pit Entrance. Probably needs some work, but could be a start. Freeze it, Figure it out.
@raymondhartmeijer9300
@raymondhartmeijer9300 2 года назад
I agree. Make it 10 or 5 laps remaining, whatever seems appropriate. This would also apply if the SC is already out. If the rule of thumb is "A race must finish under Green Flag (normal race conditions)" then you have to make a change to SC regulation. So, indeed. X laps remaining and there is a SC situation? -> Red Flag, all cars to the pit and we wait for racing to go ahead. Then we wouldn't have this debate (an exception could be made with heavy weather)
@arnoudjanschut
@arnoudjanschut 2 года назад
Once the race has started, race time keeps ticking during red flag, so they should add some exception there, too. But I like it. 10 or less laps to go and SC? Instant Red Flag. Even with the standing restart, if it would go wrong again, the same rule applies again. Maybe add a provision that after the red flag, the restart is always minimal 3 laps. To have some racing. and maybe if it is less then 5 laps, no DRS.
@matpk
@matpk 2 года назад
@@coletrickIe Lewis should race in Indycar🥳🥳 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bpQFCcSI0pU.html
@raymondhartmeijer9300
@raymondhartmeijer9300 2 года назад
@@coletrickIe well, that's a worst case scenario. So OK, make it 5 laps or less, no standing start, it would be the same SC situation, just a "pause" so the laps won't run out, which means no repairing cars, drivers will remain in the car. Then it's one lap with SC that won't count as a lap (backmarkers can overtake), SC comes in and then we would have a couple real racelaps to go. Even a single lap is possible. The 3 hour window should be well enough time. So maybe not a Red Flag, but a "cars follow SC through the pits" with a stop
@RockSolitude
@RockSolitude 2 года назад
No. Cars should be able to pit and change tyres.
@roadbiker8333
@roadbiker8333 2 года назад
"the whole point of letting lapped cars to pass so that they don't affect racing." How does this make sense if only lapped cars between lewis and max was cleared???? What about other drivers? Do they not affect the outcome of the race? So Let's say if Carlos was directly behind Max and he made a dive into a corner and Cause some incident making Lewis and Max become P7 and 10. Would that make a difference in the race? The FIA are a bunch of clowns. The race is NOT just lewis and Max and other drivers do make a difference in the race and the outcome. Yet Massi decided to use a back marker to keep the rest of the field away from Lewis and Max so that Max on a 1.5s faster tyre can take the championship. No-one cares if the championship ends behind a fling safety car. What we want is a race that's not decided by penalties and stupid FIA decision, yet they still fk it up!!!!!! Pulling in safety car is one of the easiest decisions you can make as a race director. There are clear rules to follow. And there is no ambiguity whatsoever. You see the track being clear, you let lapped cars pass, then 1 lap latter, you pull in the safety car if the track remains clear. SIMPLE. HOW HARD IS THAT? And no, as a race director, you only have the override authority over the course clerk in make decisions if there's a discrepancy between them, NOT overriding the actual rules in there. Can a race director said "Hey I don't want any stewards in this race, let's remove them despite the rules saying we need a panel of them"?
@Tootle222
@Tootle222 2 года назад
I reckon anybody who had a bet on Hamilton to win has a legal case against the FIA
@selcukcilek555
@selcukcilek555 2 года назад
Regulations 15:3 clarifies your doubts. The Race Director HAS A OVERWRITING AUTHORITY over all other SC rules.
@roadbiker8333
@roadbiker8333 2 года назад
@@selcukcilek555 Wrong. 15.3 does not say that racing director has overwriting authority over all other SC rules. It only say racing director has overriding authority over the clerk of the course on SC matter. regulation 2.1 states, all officials must observe ALL regulations in the sporting regulation. Meaning Race director has to obey Rule 48.12 to it's fullness. Too bad that you have ignored the rule that states all officials must obey all rules. Ignorance from Max fan is real.
@roadbiker8333
@roadbiker8333 2 года назад
@@selcukcilek555 Not to mention, It's weird for you to think that it's fair to artificially restart the race against regulations knowing the fact that Max has a 1.5s per lap quicker tyre on and call it "race fairly". What about all 54laps before that? Shame that Max fans didn't notice how Max was gifted the championship by FIA. Not to mention, It's also very unfair to Everyone else on the grid as well since they have got back markers in the way. The only person who benefited was Max. Yet All you max fans think that a decision violating regulations benefiting only 1 driver out of the all 16 drivers on track is completely fine........... wtf is on your minds really?
@kralg
@kralg 2 года назад
@@roadbiker8333 Not all Max fans, believe me.
@billyfletcheriracing9833
@billyfletcheriracing9833 2 года назад
I’m a huge Lewis fan and I was gutted over what happened. Over the season, Max 100% deserved the title, he’s been awesome. For Lewis to loose it like that though? Was horrible. I hope the results aren’t over turned. It needs to stand as RBR did nothing wrong. The FIA though, they need to own up to that shambolic show from them
@maxmustermann369
@maxmustermann369 2 года назад
yeah, absolutely agree. wanted max to win, he did the better job over the whole season imo. but this was just strange. kudos to lewis though, i always thought he was a little crybaby. turns out its actually toto wolff. if they end up taking away the wc, im gonna stop watch f1. fia needs to get their shit together and make rules that are clearly defined so this cant happen (and all the other controversal decisions as well).
@felixnickel9526
@felixnickel9526 2 года назад
so if your car was stolen and another person bought your stolen car, can the buyer keep it as he did nothing wrong while the thief is going to jail?
@edi8872
@edi8872 2 года назад
that’s like Manchester United winning 2-0 and referee goes last goal win and Liverpool score like??
@Kawabongahlive
@Kawabongahlive 2 года назад
@@edi8872 It's not because soccer doesn't have safety cars nor race cars.
@michaelb6420
@michaelb6420 2 года назад
Doesn't mean RB deserves the win because they don't!!! Regs disregarded rules not followed.. championship not earned by RB bottom line & EVERYONE knows this but few have the balls to say it...
@SushiParty
@SushiParty 2 года назад
My biggest takeaway from this is; what's the point of having a rulebook that all drivers must follow if the race director, just 1 person, can change and break them as he pleases? How do you as a driver and team principal plan your strategies and tactics around something that can be changed at a moment's notice? I don't care who wins the championship if they had red flagged it, everyone is even and raced their hearts out the last 4 laps. Michael Masi had many options but picked the worst, most controversial option to end this race and it's not only ruined a potential historic 8th WC but also tainted a 1st WC for 2 great drivers. Whether you're a Max or Lewis fan, I think we can all agree that both drivers deserved better than this after a wonderfully crazy and wild season like this.
@ignatiuse6857
@ignatiuse6857 2 года назад
Exactly absolute bollocks. That championship came down to the final race and whether you like or not have to agree that Lewis was robbed in the final lap of the race. Dominating from start to end to have it end like that after such a tough season. Wouldn't be surprised if he considers retiring and feeling that those in power simply do not want him to beat Michael Schumachers record. 8 time world champion in my eyes. Sir Lewis Hamilton.
@disco.lemonade
@disco.lemonade 2 года назад
@@ignatiuse6857 Sure, then by your logic Verstappen has dominated most of the championship and he was robbed in Silverstone and then again in Hungary, by direct competitors. Not even mentioning Pirelli's incident because, well, Pirelli polices Pirelli. Mercedes asked Lewis that in case of a SC, which compound he wanted and he said "none, this hard feel great". They had two chances to pit, didn't take the risk. So all this crying from Merc, tho some with some reason, is kinda a distractor from their obvious mistake.
@disco.lemonade
@disco.lemonade 2 года назад
ALL RULES? ALL OF THEM, or just the ones regarding those 5 points in article 15.3? I disagree with your statement, in fact saying Max's title is tainted is miserable of you, when the guy did everything to deserve it, while Hamilton just stepped on the gas in the last races. So, you're biased and thus your opinion on the matter goes to the way of Hamilton/Mercedes. Not supernatural, if that would've happened to Max/RB then their fans would be pissed. Meh, you guys are getting boring
@davemartin6452
@davemartin6452 2 года назад
Well said.
@ignatiuse6857
@ignatiuse6857 2 года назад
@@disco.lemonade what mistake? If they pitted they’d be behind verstappen… and then what just hope michael masi didnt finish under the safety car? They made no mistake. Flawless performance by both teams. But it was Hamilton who out performed Max in the final, title deciding race and the rest was history.
@condellmaurice8597
@condellmaurice8597 2 года назад
Love how it is automatically assumed that from carlos sainz in backwards you are not a part of this race. the teams lower down the order need to say something about this. Carlos had a legal right to get a shot at Max and so on and so forth. The last lap was not a race.
@mugshotmarley
@mugshotmarley 2 года назад
You must not watch sports, because if you did, you know that there were a handful of times that a shady or wrong call heavily impacted the championship game. The world isn't perfect people. The world isn't fair. Sometimes you get lucky, most times you get the shit end of the stick. It just so happens that Max/Rb got lucky this time. If you wanna blame someone, blame Latifi for crashing after battling the Haas for ZERO points. If he didn't crash, then LH would've won.
@8Dsmiley93
@8Dsmiley93 2 года назад
@@mugshotmarley why blame Latifi for racing when Masi's at fault
@ExclemationMark
@ExclemationMark 2 года назад
@@mugshotmarley true spoken. Otherwise go watch some lawyer stuff, if you don’t like this sport.
@TheEmolano
@TheEmolano 2 года назад
@@mugshotmarley Latifi commited a mistake, Masi did the mess from his mistake.
@Maderasdesign
@Maderasdesign 2 года назад
@@mugshotmarley Life isnt fair but this is a controlled sport with rules in place. Rules were bent/broken. Any F1 fan should be pissed about what happened. Dani already called it fucked up.
@NopeP
@NopeP 2 года назад
What I don't get either is, Max drove infront of Lewis when Lewis was acting as the safety car, that is an immediate 5 second penalty, just like if your cross the wrong part of the pit entry. Why did Max not receive a penalty for that. It makes no sense
@renzanfortineri196
@renzanfortineri196 2 года назад
If im not wrong its been investigated after merc doing double complaint (this and the restart) and the data said Max is still clear, so no penalty
@kubhak
@kubhak 2 года назад
Cuz hamilton was playing games and was trying to catch him off guard and stewards knew this its not like max did IT on purpose
@NopeP
@NopeP 2 года назад
@@renzanfortineri196 obviously because the FIA wanted Max to win the championship. Exactly the same in Saudi, that brake check is an automatic DSQ by any driver. That is a deliberate action to crash another driver, that's an immediate DSQ, but nothing for Max. What about Qatar, Max cried on the radio and then Gasly let him past, cheating again. Brazil, completely forgot to give Max any penalties for his driving. Spa gave Max a race win and 12.5 points for qualifying on pole. Great job The FIA gave Max two race wins within 3 laps this year, what a joke.
@NopeP
@NopeP 2 года назад
@@kubhak It doesn't matter, Lewis is the acting Safety car, if Lewis drove in front of the actual Safety car he'd receive a 5 second penalty whether it was deliberate or not
@renzanfortineri196
@renzanfortineri196 2 года назад
Im not going back to "what about other track"ism again since many post always bring back to that topic, without seeing AbuDhabi race objectively... From what i see, your question in 1st post is just a normal complain of Merc to FIA. Since Merc didnt push it more. The main beef is the controversial restart one... And, Even if FIA want to give Max chance, That restart is so idioticly bad that if he really takes side, he should just done it better by letting the lapped car, unlap themself earlier, like Alonso pointed out when SC called. Yet when Masi got asked by Horner, he said "Safety first before unlap" That is why for me, Im pretty sure Masi didnt side with anyone (because he just made everyone enemy lol) I just saw it as collossal fucked up from Masi/steward side (as always lol), especially since he got pushed by Horner and Toto while race still going In the end no one "win" at that night, What i mean no one win is : -As Merc/Ham, they got robbed, even tho their strategy do nothing wrong and as per rule stand, Lewis should have won the race. Its unfair for Lewis -As RB/Max, They DID NOTHING WRONG, becaus they did as "per rule" that get set by the referee / race director. And if somehow the court nullifies Max's title, its unfair for Max. -As the other driver, example : Sainz, Ricciardo, Stroll.... They got robbed as well since Masi didnt even consider they exist on track because of 5 cars only unlap. They only consider P1 and P2 battle, conflicting what he said "we want race" -As a neutral fans we got robbed of what "sports" are, and we got a race that focused on "entertainment" not sports For me its like Max deserves to win WDC 2021 But Lewis totally deserves to win AbuDhabi GP I think Norris, Ricciardo, and many other drivers also think the same
@monkfishy6348
@monkfishy6348 2 года назад
There's no room for interpretation at all. 'Any cars that have been lapped will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap...', means ALL lapped cars must pass the lead lap cars, because the use of the word 'any' is qualifying the entire sentence. Like saying 'Any dirty dishes are required to be washed'. That doesn't mean some dirty dishes can be washed, and some can be left, based on arbitrary decision. The rules of the English language are explicitly clear on this point. The race director broke the rules as they are written, there's no two ways about it.
@Darrow1991
@Darrow1991 2 года назад
There ought to be rules on what to do when there is a safety car in the last five or ten laps. The rules should be different to prevent finishing the race behind a safety car. Maybe Red Flag the race immediately during that time if normally you would have a safety car. If NASCAR can figure this out, the FIA and Formula 1 should be able to figure this out.
@glenchapman3899
@glenchapman3899 2 года назад
Exactly what I was thinking
@PetrosJJ
@PetrosJJ 2 года назад
If safety car with less than 10 laps they should freeze the amount of laps remaining for finish ;-)
@agentrevan5492
@agentrevan5492 2 года назад
@@PetrosJJ if they just freeze the laps then you still have the issue with fuel the only real option is to force a red flag reset and then go racing unless they allow the cars to come in for more fuel but in race refueling is banned
@jackmeoff2396
@jackmeoff2396 2 года назад
Please dont turn it into nascar.
@gackauo
@gackauo 2 года назад
There are rules for this that have worked fine for years, sod the show, the only people who thought that was a more exiting ending are plastic f1 fans that would happily lobby for hamilton to have a 100hp engine deficit next year because they don't care about fair sport.
@tobyodonnell9353
@tobyodonnell9353 2 года назад
"He can break his own rules, as written, in his own rules " I love that 😂
@stuartmcmahon8870
@stuartmcmahon8870 2 года назад
It’s strange how he said about cars passing, after max had fitted fresh tyres. I’d have to go back and watch that lap again to be sure…
@TC-wt5ix
@TC-wt5ix 2 года назад
his rule is no rule
@leeaggas8447
@leeaggas8447 2 года назад
Only 1 problem he didn't write them 🤷‍♂️
@tihs87
@tihs87 2 года назад
man, breaking your own rules that's kind of a job of a director. he is being paid to make on the fly decisions in situations which weren't foreseen before. its not the problem that he broke the rules, he is the one with authority, and hopefully competence to do it. problem for some is that he lacked that competence to make right decision. funnily enough majority of the losing team fans think decision was wrong, and fans of a winning team say it was right. ain't that surprising ?
@roadbiker8333
@roadbiker8333 2 года назад
@@tihs87 This is a sport, NOT a circus. So Massi CAN"T change the rules on the fly. The job of a race director is to ENFORCE the rules. Race directors can override the clerk of the course, but NOT the actual rules.
@sensibleandrational6682
@sensibleandrational6682 2 года назад
Bravo for the unbiased and thorough analysis. Real racing fans with common sense will judge fairly regardless of how the appeal goes.
@spikem6039
@spikem6039 2 года назад
unbiased, erm I'm not so sure about that.
@Steve1975truth
@Steve1975truth 2 года назад
This was not unbiased. But we won’t know for sure, since he never responds. He drops content then cuts and runs. See ya buddy!
@jayb2705
@jayb2705 2 года назад
This is biased, he says rules were broken based on his interpretation. There are many 'non British' people who don't agree with that.
@michaellavery4899
@michaellavery4899 2 года назад
Have I been living under a rock? It was my understanding that Mercedes had, reluctantly, accepted the final decision and were moving on. However, I understand why they are taking it to an independent court because this is too important to be brushed under the carpet. Rules and guidelines are there for a reason. A football referee can't send off the goalkeepers and a couple of defenders from each team to hasten a goal in the World Cup final. Why should Massi treat this race differently than any other?
@nickabbott3081
@nickabbott3081 2 года назад
The wording of the rule stating that "any" lapped car must pass the safety is not ambiguous at all. The meaning of "any" depends on the structure of the sentence surrounding it. "Any" is a word used to quantify something. When it is used to quantify part of a sentence, i.e. "Get me any pen", then it does not mean all. However, if "any" is used to quantify the ENTIRE sentence, i.e. "Any fruit found to be rotten must be removed", it is quite literally a synonym to all. That is why you'll find them listed as synonyms in all thesauruses. In the case of the rule: "any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car" the word "any" is quantifying the entire sentence making it synonymous to "all". I can understand the confusion since the word can mean different things based on the structure but the rules of the language dictate the meaning and therefore the rule has a clear, unambiguous meaning when read by someone trained in legal language. Red Bull's defense was wrong, that's why the stewards decision accepted Mercedes' appeal and didn't reference Red Bull's argument in their decision. This is not saying that the result should or should not have been overturned, that's a larger discussion, but the specific point about the word "any" doesn't hold any water.
@jm5142
@jm5142 2 года назад
Great analysis here!
@JimmyJJJohnson
@JimmyJJJohnson 2 года назад
THANK YOU 🙏
@tompotter84
@tompotter84 2 года назад
Lovely explanation and one which I understand but couldn't articulate. On a lighter note, when you say it doesn't hold any water, does that mean it doesn't hold SOME water? That was not a serious question.
@brandodurham
@brandodurham 2 года назад
In 2020 masi himself clarified the rule specifically meant ALL cars when they had the prolonged safety car. He was quite happy to get preachy about follow the rule to let ALL lapped cars through back then before the fie decided they’d like a new “champion”
@unthenner5519
@unthenner5519 2 года назад
@@brandodurham That's because he's someone who can't be wrong in his own eyes. He simply preaches whatever he needs to in the moment to make himself correct and feel powerful. He's been doing this for 3 years.
@chung-fankuo3068
@chung-fankuo3068 2 года назад
I think I saw someone mentioned this before. The way Masi did, showing that he thinks only two cars are racing and rest of them are just the background. Imaging other drivers feeling in that situation. I would feel my existence on the track seems negligible if I am one of them. Yes, it is the final; yes, it is the championship deciding moment between these two cars, but the decision doesn't seem to show any respect to other drivers at that moment.
@mingc4698
@mingc4698 2 года назад
Ferrari won over mclaren!! Imagine that $$!!
@petertromp8786
@petertromp8786 2 года назад
In those circumstances "only two cars" were effectively racing, as bad as that may sound, because it was a championship decider. I understand Masi's decision, even though it wasn't strictly speaking the "right" decision. I don't think he was showing favoritism as much as he was trying to ensure within his powers that there was at least one "meaningful" lap of racing to end the season and the championship - something the teams agreed on, so he effectively had cover in making his decision. All of this was really down to circumstance - less than 5 laps to go in which to make a critical decision effecting the outcome of an entire season, the rules being "interpretable" rather than clear cut, the powers of the race director being less than clear, the teams having come to an agreement beforehand - more than it being a grand conspiracy. Here's the big lesson: people need to stop thinking of F1 as a sport in any traditional sense - it isn't, and never has been; it's first and foremost a spectacle. It's effectively WWE+ - entertainment with the veneer of a sport, although not "openly" "rigged" like WWE.
@coolwater3238
@coolwater3238 2 года назад
@@elvewizzy It's irrelevant whether we give a fuck. Things are done officially or there's no point in even having a championship.
@tr4nnel752
@tr4nnel752 2 года назад
Even most drivers didn't make it too hard for neither Hamilton or Verstappen to pass the last few races. They understood it was not their battle.
@blargd
@blargd 2 года назад
You don't need to imagine we have the radios for how they felt, Sainz, Tsunoda and Gasly were over the moon as it saw them 3rd 4th and 5th Bottas less so, Alonso thought it was the right move before hand regardless etc.
@glenlivingstone4949
@glenlivingstone4949 2 года назад
Thank you for cleaning up all the noise about the final green lap, it’s more apparent now that race director was overwhelmed with the 2 teams influencing him at an extremely time sensitive part of the race, best explanation yet.
@WaVe54556
@WaVe54556 Год назад
Masi didn’t technically break his rules because the race director has control over the safety car. But in reality his decision was wrong and didn’t follow the accepted practice
@esce69
@esce69 2 года назад
Imagine what went on in Lewis' mind. He just had to get the car safely over the finish line. The only thing that could've prevented that would've been a puncture, but with a second per lap to spare he could easily avoid the dangerous curbstones...and then this happened and absolutely nothing he could do about it. He became a sitting duck! I really felt sad for him, although I believe both drivers deserved the title, based on the whole of the year.
@johnnydinnissen
@johnnydinnissen 2 года назад
He could have just pitted for other tires Problem solved
@adamsmith4953
@adamsmith4953 2 года назад
His team should have taken tires under the VSC or SC instead of staying out on old tires He didn't stand a chance.
@BullshitJr
@BullshitJr 2 года назад
@@johnnydinnissen pit for tyres so Max can stay out and the race could finish under a safety car like it should have done? Massi did something unprecedented, so it was impossible for Merc to make an Informed decision. It's easy to make comments like yours in hindsight, but when you think about it, it's a ridiculous thing to say
@sobversion3
@sobversion3 2 года назад
@@BullshitJr very ridiculous; Merc were making the best decision they could in regards to current regulation precedent. The Idea of _lew should've changed tires too_ is beyond stupid 🙄; no way for him to expect Masi to do what he did because that shit wasn't supposed to happen
@EternityGamesVids
@EternityGamesVids 2 года назад
@@adamsmith4953 He couldn't on VSC. It was placed into effected when Lewis had just passed the pits. Verstappen then pitted and when Lewis came around the pits again, the VSC had just ended. Meaning that if he'd stop there, he'd fall behind Verstappen by 4-5 seconds. He couldn't on SC either, if he stopped (being 12 seconds ahead of Verstappen), Verstappen wouldn't have stopped and that would mean Hamilton would go second. And since there are no guarantee that they would resume the race, they would've lost the championship. And even if they resumed the race, Verstappen's tires weren't as used as Hamilton's were on that last lap, meaning that Verstappen's car wouldn't have been gapped as easily as Hamilton's got. Lastly, Verstappen's driving aggressiveness makes it way to hard to gamble on a "possible" overtake on the last lap. There's no guarantee Hamilton would've been able to do so as Verstappen could've simply driven very aggressively to prevent him from getting ahead. So in any way, Mercedes did the only logical thing.
@aiistyt
@aiistyt 2 года назад
The FIA have admitted that they didn’t “fully” follow their own rules
@zipzip4680
@zipzip4680 2 года назад
They haven't followed their own rules all season. Not sure why you or the creator of this channel is crying so much.
@aiistyt
@aiistyt 2 года назад
@@zipzip4680 I think when moist of the drivers found it an odd decision and the leader of the drivers association finds it “unacceptable” then there are clearly questions
@baptistejungers1231
@baptistejungers1231 2 года назад
@@zipzip4680 Stop seeing crying people everywhere please :D
@lightningtwostrikes4317
@lightningtwostrikes4317 2 года назад
@@baptistejungers1231 😢 never gonna happen
@stormageddon248
@stormageddon248 2 года назад
@@zipzip4680 you know exactly why this is a big deal mate. Masi chose the champion! This wasn’t Brazil or silverstone where it’s subjective. This was black and white in the rules. So yeah I’m not happy about it and we all have a point. If this was happening to max you would feel different I promise you.
@danielakerman8241
@danielakerman8241 2 года назад
I love Max’s ferocity as a driver. I love Lewis’s incredible ability to constantly improve and overcome. I love good racing, no matter who the drivers are. And what Masi and the FIA have done here has really screwed the pooch. This moment has been years in the making, through Bernie Ecclestone’s previous concord agreement that had the teams involved in virtually every decision-making process. (An instance of having the foxes guard the hen-house if there ever was one.) The whole situation and the rule book need to be re-examined. Lewis said it, and he’s right: there isn’t clarity on how the rules are applied. Every situation is handled on a bespoke basis, leaving teams and drivers with no idea of how to approach any given situation. Masi clearly made a choice that was at minimum unconventional and strange. That can’t happen. Personally, I feel there needs to be less communication from teams to the race director. None, in fact. And the race director should be stripped of decision-making powers that can alter a race. He should be executing rules, not deciding when, if or how they are applied. And finally, F1 should just adopt a simple solution: with less than 10 laps remaining, obligatory safety car until all debris is cleared, followed by a green-white-checker just as in NASCAR. Everyone will k ow what to expect and everyone will make decisions accordingly.
@liamjones4053
@liamjones4053 2 года назад
Also Ricciardo boxed and was unable to challenge the cars infront of him and maybe get some points... If there were other constructor battles that could have been negatively affected by this then I believe there would have been a bigger uproar and pressure on FIA to change the result
@tonywatson987
@tonywatson987 2 года назад
You are forgetting the crucial change of mind of Masi; the initial order was that there would be NO unlapping of cars, that's why Max went in for soft tyres, letting the 5 backmarkers past. THEN the order was that only those 5 cars could unlap themselves, thereby giving Max a free pitstop. Even some of the other drivers could not understand that biased decision!
@julesn2168
@julesn2168 2 года назад
BTC, I think the safety was called, Lewis was told not to box, Max boxed. Then Latifi’s car was towed away in about 2 laps, whilst Masi announced no unlacing, before Horner argued that they only needed 1 racing lap, to which Masi changed his mind, in contravention with the rules. Personally, I think that’s either corrupt or incompetent, but given Masi has previously explained that the rules require another lap after unlapping has occurred, I suspect the former. If I were Mercedes, I’d be hiring a private investigator. Horner was interviewed with 10 laps to go and thought they needed something from the racing gods. 5 laps later, Masi answered his prayers.
@peacefullights
@peacefullights 2 года назад
Exactly,if Mercedes would know that lap cars are gonna be passed, they would have their own different strategy.
@BenjWarrant
@BenjWarrant 2 года назад
Nobody can understand Masi's decisions, except Red Bull and Max's fanbois, and I expect even Red Bull know that what happened was a cock-up.
@peacefullights
@peacefullights 2 года назад
@@BenjWarrant nobody want hamilton to win, including FIA and almost all F1 current drivers excluding lando and russle, and team like Mercedes,otherwise all of them don't want hamilton to get the 8th title, i don't know but i feel racism is the reason somewhere.
@BenjWarrant
@BenjWarrant 2 года назад
@@peacefullights I hope you're wrong about the racism, that would be awful.
@richardweerasinghe3296
@richardweerasinghe3296 2 года назад
How can Masi be allowed to decide that only the first two cars deserve to go racing? Sainz might’ve had a chance to overtake Verstappen or Hamilton if they get involved in an overtake incident. No way should the director be able to choose options that might affect the outcome like that.
@SyeDrums
@SyeDrums 2 года назад
This 👆spot on.
@shepleonard8695
@shepleonard8695 2 года назад
Lewis broke the rules and it was ignored when he passed out of bounds yet was allowed to stay in 1st. In every form of racing lapped cars yield to cars on pace. GET OVER IT.
@SyeDrums
@SyeDrums 2 года назад
@@shepleonard8695 clearly you haven’t got over the first lap incident. Hypocritical much? 😂
@pedretti810
@pedretti810 2 года назад
There was no possibility of a red flag because it was not a case that security was impaired and the regulation says when the placard is sole, all the cars can pass to the sc and it was only a few then the lap is not necessary because they are not all
@Melon623
@Melon623 2 года назад
@@shepleonard8695 and you haven’t gotten over the first lap incident which didn’t have a major impact on the overall race considering how Lewis dominated
@denelarwood4141
@denelarwood4141 2 года назад
As always, thanks for a clear and concise explanation. I wonder if Bernie and others are deep in conversation with Toto and the Mercedes heirarchy/shareholders trying to get Mercedes not to appeal to bring calm and peace? If Mercedes, therefore, does not appeal, what does this mean for future borderline calls by the Racing Director? Will an appeal clear the mud from the water? Will not appealing make for murkier waters in championships to come?
@hectornecromancer5308
@hectornecromancer5308 2 года назад
I was thinking that allowing teams to contact race director mid-race and intervening their decision is the reason why stewards often takes so many odd and inconsistent decision
@MegaIronica
@MegaIronica 2 года назад
"The race dictator" phrase is both hilarious and extremely accurate 🤣
@jamtalawah2231
@jamtalawah2231 2 года назад
As the old saying goes "there's many a slip betwixt cup and lips"
@JedidiahDS
@JedidiahDS 2 года назад
😂 😂 😂 😂
@davidsquires2363
@davidsquires2363 2 года назад
The best option for next year is to get rid of 'Messy', and put someone with real experience of F1 on the judges bench.
@andyandy2731
@andyandy2731 2 года назад
But this will not give the title to HAM which he fully deserved
@7eVen.si62
@7eVen.si62 2 года назад
Stop crying
@rwouwenaarrw
@rwouwenaarrw 2 года назад
@@andyandy2731 no not really the whole season has been bad calls so should also mean all FIA mistakes should be reviewed. Wich also means Hamilton being disqualified for the Silverstone murder asault wich is a way poorer decision on FIA their part.
@sparqqling
@sparqqling 2 года назад
And keep the same stewards for all races!
@GravellordNito
@GravellordNito 2 года назад
@@andyandy2731 😂😂😂 Talk about selective memory
@MC-vv7us
@MC-vv7us 2 года назад
The reason I believe that has upset the apple cart is that if Massi wanted to finish under racing conditions he should have found out how many laps it would take to clear the circuit and then immediately red flagged the race, and restarted the race in the identical order in which the race had been stopped, with or without tyre changes. Preferably without a tyre stop. after all Max had a huge and unfair advantage over the leader. Was it really fair to decide a championship of 22 races and 57 led laps, in just one lap.I would not have minded Max winning on a level playing field, but not like this.
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@killpioo2
@killpioo2 2 года назад
It hollows max's victory, it was almost certainly impossible for max to win with the gap luis had without the Race Dictator's intervention
@leslielindop6445
@leslielindop6445 2 года назад
I followed f1 since the 60s and the rules should be fare . Cars should not be allowed to pit while pace car is out ,.the incident 4 laps from the end, tells me that the race should have run for 4 laps , not for 1 lap ,so l dont think it was a fare decision ,cheers les lindop from adelaide south australia
@ajsikkepit
@ajsikkepit 2 года назад
I was rooting for Max all season long (proud Dutchie here), but I feel that Mercedes was scr*wed by this clear deviation from the rulebook. No fun in winning a race in this artificial way and had the situation been the other way around, I am pretty sure that Horner would have agreed. Let's deviate from the rulebook again and award a joint championship title to both Max and Lewis. They certainly both deserve it!
@MrPatchtkennedy
@MrPatchtkennedy 2 года назад
good on you. I wanted hamilton to win, but I felt a little awkward when he 'gave the advantage back' at the start of the race, but actually didn't at all. I'm sure hamilton planned that, he knew max would lunge and knew he would have an excuse to cut the corner.
@warfam_clan6933
@warfam_clan6933 2 года назад
At this stage in the proceedings, I too feel that the one and only fair outcome would be a shared championship title. So many rules have now been broken by Masi and the FIA that doing this would be fair to both drivers and help Masi save face. It's this or Masi resigns.
@dtrainmclean4867
@dtrainmclean4867 2 года назад
The team principals should not have a direct line to the race director
@allanpiacente
@allanpiacente 2 года назад
Yeah! Horner asking Masi and he stuttering and saying he needed a minute, then changing his decision. Also Toto screaming "No Michael, No No". What a joke.
@DoodlesMcpooh
@DoodlesMcpooh 2 года назад
@@allanpiacente Can't blame Toto. He was in shock that the regulations were being completely ignored to gift Max the win.
@naveensenthil3419
@naveensenthil3419 2 года назад
Red flagging the race was the best choice. Imagine Lewis and max both on even tires, 4 laps to go that will make or break their season. Might have been the race of the century.
@leeneal6969
@leeneal6969 2 года назад
what kind of motor racing fan says something like that?
@65kgio25
@65kgio25 2 года назад
@@leeneal6969 what kind of motor racing fan are you? just curious
@philrod1
@philrod1 2 года назад
Probably the best option, all things considered, but apparently not an option. Is this a power Masi doesn't have?
@15209091
@15209091 2 года назад
I really dont understand why they couldn't red flag the race? They knew they handed Max the championship as soon as they made that call considering the tyre situation. If they red flagged the race it would have been a much more thrilling fight to the end but they premeditated murdered Lewis restarting the race that way while he had those old tyres.
@yaumelsanchez2641
@yaumelsanchez2641 2 года назад
Red flagging the race wouldn’t make sense for the reasons they should call one the shit calls and flags they’ve made this year I’m surprised they didn’t but a red flag would be called on a incident that’s really bad and would need way more time to clear out for a safety car or vsc to be called out on . Either way there should be a better way to handle an incident to not end under a safety car or vsc with that little bit of laps to go. Whether or not it means to give the race directors the authority to call for a restart just to get everyone in order like the lap cars needed to so that they wouldn’t be in the way of the title fight. It definitely would’ve been the best and safest option to help max fight but also keep the Mercedes’ fans happy since he would still have a better chance of attacking max using newer tires than old ass hards
@arvmamuad
@arvmamuad 2 года назад
They should revise these rules in the next season with 2 major part: No teams talking to the race manager and no race shall ever end in safety car. I mean c'mon, what's even the point of racing if that happens.. 🤷🏾‍♂️
@Tootle222
@Tootle222 2 года назад
The point is the positions are established through the whole race. Otherwise, what's the point of having the full race - they might as well have just run the last 2 laps. A safety car at the end is no different than a safety car in the middle.
@arvmamuad
@arvmamuad 2 года назад
@@Tootle222 you are missing the point there mate. The reason why there are so many laps is to give the other cars(esp those at the back) a chance of at least catching up if not win. A 2 lap race with that many cars is basically idiotic. I wonder how you even come up with that. And yes the possitions establish through out those lapses are also necessary, but in the end A RACE IS A RACE, AND IT MUST ALWAYS ENDS IN A RACE!! GETS? And what? A SC at the end is the same as SC at the middle? Are you drunk?? 😂😂😂 But if you are talking to the physical car then yeah.. 😂 what a joke.
@hubertpierre9507
@hubertpierre9507 2 года назад
Rules were not broken, only a lack of consistency. The whole season and at every race decisions were made, that lacked consistency. Also in this final race, it was very strange that Lewis was allowed to keep the lead after taking a shortcut … and it would have been even more strange not to let cars unlap themselves ….. If Mercedes really wants to appeal, then i guess we should take into account every other race this season including their bending of the rules with regard to changing the power unit in Brazil. I like Lewis, but i am glad that in this season we really had some exciting racing instead of watching Lewis and Mercedes winning all races like the last 5 years.
@vharuneshsundar6450
@vharuneshsundar6450 5 месяцев назад
what rules were bent during the power unit change in brazil?
@RafaHuel
@RafaHuel 2 года назад
Did Formula 1 Break Their OWN RULES? Yes, but the *entire year*
@SpeculativeConjecture
@SpeculativeConjecture 2 года назад
Exactly this
@cpthornman
@cpthornman 2 года назад
And why this entire season should be thrown out.
@lordmaximus
@lordmaximus 2 года назад
The entire season was a farce and "made for TV". I knew this was going to happen when an American media company purchased F1. Their goal is to make it into another reality show laced with drama and excitement. Then when they have sucked every possible dollar out if it, sell it to the highest bidder, at which time the "new" fly by night "excitement" fans will have moved on the next flashy object. The new owner will try everything to get fans back, but it will be to late. I quit watching the NFL because of the terrible officiating, not it this has come to F1! Sad days indeed…
@pvaity_1289
@pvaity_1289 2 года назад
F1 simply made its spectators look like idiots. We spend our time and emotions only to watch a sport that is possibly fixed behind closed doors.
@shelldahl5080
@shelldahl5080 2 года назад
THIS IS NOT RIGHT !!! - Max Verstappen has all season intimidated other drivers by aggressive driving, and gained special considerations from responsible drivers that wanted to avoid DNFs for themselves and Max. - Sir Lewis Hamilton has all season showed consideration and responsibility in regard to every driver and Max particularly. He has showed outstanding skills and excellence in performances, and proved himself superior. - This final and decisive race for the season Lewis Hamilton exposed he undoubtedly is the best driver, and led from start until the final lap ... on which he due to an outrageously spectacular scenario was overtaken and lost the leading position, the win and the Championship. THE END OF THIS RACE WAS MINDBLOWING DISHONEST, UNFAIR AND UNRIGHTEOUS !
@diotough
@diotough 2 года назад
"Any" followed by a condition followed by "required" can only be sensibly understood as "every". The whole rule does not make any sense otherwise. 15.3 does also not mention the safety car procedure but only "the use of the safety car". Masi never had the authority to break the rules or overrule one with another according to 15.3. 48.13 also cannot even overrule 48.12 since 48.12 puts a requirement on when the SC can be called in. Furthermore Masi explaining his solution would have been the only one to not compromise the racing is ... laughable. He did directly interfere with the racing and gave Verstappen an advantage by eliminating Sainz out of the equation as well. Where is the rule that says that only P1 and P2 are worthy of racing? 15.3.c can furthermore be very much understood in a way that Masi could have suggested a red flag to the stewards as a solution outside of the Sporting Regulations. This was the worst performance of Masi ever and that's quite a feat considering his track record of terrible decisions. Since RB and Verstappen are not responsible for this mess I think it's unfair to strip them of the title. On the other hand Hamilton was indeed robbed of a fair chance. This mess demands consequences, one of those being Masi to be fired and stripped of all FIA duties as he's proven to be unfit for the job.
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm 2 года назад
But then also Max was robbed of first place at the beginning. That could have been the decider for the race.
@H14RXV
@H14RXV 2 года назад
@@Robert-cu9bm I don’t think so mate. Lewis was way too quick and would of definitely took max at the next corner again. Max’s tyres were shot.
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm 2 года назад
@@H14RXV Tyres were shot in the first laps of the race? If Lewis was way too quick, how did Max overtake 🤔
@jaycope3652
@jaycope3652 2 года назад
@@Robert-cu9bm because he had brand new softs and masi moved the backmarkers out of the way for him? Stop being dense
@andriusa.6444
@andriusa.6444 2 года назад
@@Robert-cu9bm how was he robbed? Max lunges his car with an attitude of either other driver does not fight back or he simply crashes and he did that way too often this year. To my point of view, this is not racing, Checo defending against Lewis was pure racing, that was wonderful. Lastly, considering Lewis’ pace, he would have overtaken Max on track or undercut him.. this was Lewis’ race, he was much faster.
@benwoollard7948
@benwoollard7948 2 года назад
Why have I just found this RU-vid channel when I am concidering stopping watching F1?! Great clear analysis. Wish most TV channels were as good!
@danielegarrisi3229
@danielegarrisi3229 2 года назад
This is not about rules, but rather on misjudgement. Masi let the cars between L. Hamilton and M. Verstappen overtake the safety car, because he wanted a final race between them. In the understandable rush and difficulties of a moment where he was liasing with the team principals, he forgot that in the title race between LH and MV, a crucial role is played by C. Sainz who can take advantage in the restart if MV waives too much to catch the slipstream of LH. Also, sometimes cars need to open a 1s or 1.5s gap behind them, before attempting an overtake on the car in front, something that you cannot afford in a one lap race. He was so focused to ensure a fair battle between LH and MV, that he actually forgot to do it in the right way.
@backnine39
@backnine39 2 года назад
Alonzo , at the time, was calling for lapped cars to pass the safety and have TWO racing laps. But there was a "no pass" order out at that time. Alonzo should be the Race Director
@johnwilkins7321
@johnwilkins7321 2 года назад
you should only allow the lapped cars to unlap when the circuit is considrered safe and clear. seeing as they were still clearing the track during lap 36 (and were shown doing so on camera), that wouldnt have been possible. F1 is a dangerous sprt, its the reason why regs and protocols that are in place should never be thrown out of the window for the sake of spectacle
@backnine39
@backnine39 2 года назад
@@johnwilkins7321 It should also be consistent and absolute, NOT wishy washy and arbitrary
@johnwilkins7321
@johnwilkins7321 2 года назад
@@backnine39 absolutely. ive said before, on this one, he should have stuck rigid;ly to the regs..the RD has had an unacceptle level of influence on the result of this race
@DaVoKanfr
@DaVoKanfr 2 года назад
@@johnwilkins7321 And team bosses/race strategists too. I've never seen any sports where a coach could talk directly with the referee and tell him what to do.
@backnine39
@backnine39 2 года назад
@@johnwilkins7321 Here's an example "In case of a yellow flag within the last 10 laps of the race, all cars MUST PIT immediately with no modifications/repairs/changes allowed. Once the track is deemed safe, all cars will line up on the grid for a standing restart to finish the race." This way a race will NEVER EVER finish under a yellow flag. EVER.
@TeamOT
@TeamOT 2 года назад
One needs to ask oneself whether Masi would have made the same decision if this was the third race of the season or if Max/Lewis and RB/Merc had wrapped up the championship well before the last race. It seems that the answer would most certainly be "no" in both cases.
@tbpotn
@tbpotn 2 года назад
What is your point with this exactly? That circumstances matter? Do you think Hamilton would've gotten just 10 seconds if Silverstone was the last race?
@Mrbasspro95
@Mrbasspro95 2 года назад
Might as well then think about if Lewis would have pitted and was behind Max in race position, you think that clown would've waved the lapped cars between them thru? I think not.
@eden5260
@eden5260 2 года назад
@@tbpotn yes absolutely he should have, you aren't really good with understanding an argument are you? and if you think the right call is getting Lewis disqualified for what happened then he should be if in Silverstone and if in Abu Dhabi that's exactly the point. you don't care about manipulating the rules because you don't care about the sport you care about the show you wished for being fulfilled
@TheLibermania
@TheLibermania 2 года назад
@@Mrbasspro95 Of course he would've. I see the critique on wanting to make it a show and therefore make the shootout but f*** off with your conspiracy theories.
@TeamOT
@TeamOT 2 года назад
@@tbpotn point is that the marshalling/refereeing/decision making (or wtv the hell you want to call it) has been inconsistent and arbitrary AF this season and it's frustrating.
@stepparentingmadeeasy
@stepparentingmadeeasy 2 года назад
Mercedes strategized according to the book. If then the rules are interpreted as wished, obviously Mercedes’ was left hanging
@jg-tp4up
@jg-tp4up 2 года назад
The way I look at is that Max had no chance to win the race with 4 laps left and what Masi did after Red Bull complained is not right. He took a car that did not deserve the win and gave him a chance to win. What Hamilton did for 57.5 laps meant zero. For those who say they should have changed the tires it would not have mattered with 4 laps Max would have had to get by 5 cars plus Hamilton. I’m a Ferrari fan and I’ve been wanting Hamilton and Mercedes to lose but not like this they were ROBBED. F1 2021 Champion is Max but not to me, for me it’s still Hamilton.
@realisrealite5554
@realisrealite5554 2 года назад
He took a driver that didn't deserve to win and gave him the championship and all I see is F1 wanting Lewis gone so people that look like them can win.
@robfer5370
@robfer5370 10 месяцев назад
Spot on!
@knutpohl339
@knutpohl339 2 года назад
I fundamentally disagree on the "any doesn't mean all" argument. In the context of these regulations it very much does. Try arguing with your landlord that you only pay the damages you want to, because your contract states "tenants are liable for any damage"
@jasonuk8333
@jasonuk8333 2 года назад
Yep. I find that argument from Red Bull to be pathetic. In that context 'any' clearly means all, and always has done until Masi decided to make some new procedures on Sunday. If Hamilton and Verstappen's races had been swapped, Red Bull would be going crazy at what happened.
@DanielFiskvik
@DanielFiskvik 2 года назад
Yes. Also; «… any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car» Strange how the word «required» is used here. If «any» means «some», then «will be required» should be replaced with «may be ordered».
@matpk
@matpk 2 года назад
@@DanielFiskvik Lewis should race in Indycar🥳🥳 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bpQFCcSI0pU.html
@MegaIronica
@MegaIronica 2 года назад
In this context "any" definitely means "all". If a law says any person entering the country must submit a proof of a negative covid test, I dont see myself going to the airport to argue "we'll it didn't say all, so let me on the plane".
@jcfregoso5087
@jcfregoso5087 2 года назад
Yeah, but you got no rule over the plane/airport. Someone who actually does can say "well, any does not mean all, so these 3 guys can go on without negative COVID test" It is unfair, but fairly legal.
@RobJa
@RobJa 2 года назад
Exactly 👏🏽.
@eden5260
@eden5260 2 года назад
just lawyers bulls&it anyone who is taking it seriously is a fool
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 2 года назад
Also it says the safety car will only return to the pits one lap after *all* lapped cars have gone past
@MegaIronica
@MegaIronica 2 года назад
@@Alex-cw3rz Any Max fans that has some integrity should just recognize it was not fair and say we are still happy about the result. Notice how I said "any Max fan". Here is a real example where it definitely does not mean all.
@Graffititude
@Graffititude 2 года назад
I watched every race this season (amongst other seasons). I LOVE Formula 1. But, the way this season ended was one of THE most disappointing things I’ve ever seen. I wouldn’t of cared who one the race (as ling as it was fair), but to see it having ended the way it did made me lose faith and love for the sport. I literally cried when it happened. It wasn’t fair, it wasn’t right and if they made the decision to increase better racing/viewing pleasure, it definitely didn’t work for me……it had the absolutely direct opposite impact on me. I’m still sad and will be for some time😔. Thanks so much for your videos and happy holidays everyone!! Be well and be merry!!
@ozijay3000
@ozijay3000 2 года назад
You are right, I'm Hamilton fan but also loved how Max went hard this season. I wanted the best to win only this time Masi did.
@mjribes
@mjribes 2 года назад
If you say that Massi threw the rules out the window then you are ignoring Rule 15.3.
@matttaylor050
@matttaylor050 2 года назад
You forgot one very important point. When the SC was first called, Massi clearly said “no lapped cars will pass” this would’ve had a huge impact on Merc decision to stay out and not put with a tyre change. However Massi was influenced by Michael Horner after red bull had already pitted asking for the lapped cars to go through. The real Croix here is that Massi back flipped on his decision with little to no warning for Merc with nil regard of the consequences
@stupidas9466
@stupidas9466 2 года назад
And you miss the very important distinction that he didn't say they would not go through at all, just not at that time, because of the issue of the car and debris on the track still being cleared. Once it was safe to do so, then cars were allowed to pass, but it was decided that if every car was let through there " might" not be enough time to finish the race under green flag conditions, which is the PRIMARY goal in these situations. In short, the "best case scenario" in these circumstances is to have the race settled under green, without backmarkers getting in the way, and the rules have been changed over the years to make this most likely to happen in most circumstances. And this is exactly what occured. I hate MVS but have no issue with the rulings for this, and only this, reason.
@chrisp4170
@chrisp4170 2 года назад
@@stupidas9466 On what basis do you say green flag racing is the primary goal?? If it was, it would be written down. It is very much a secondary or even tertiary goal, fully subservient to the rules of racing. These rules were the basis of the pit stop decisions by both teams. You can’t just throw them out the window, if you don’t want comparisons with WWF!
@Funkybassuk
@Funkybassuk 2 года назад
@@chrisp4170 I agree with you. A general agreement between the teams that it would be ideal to finish under green flag conditions can’t override actual rules and the teams’ / drivers’ expectations of what will happen when a safety car is called.
@candymancam2390
@candymancam2390 2 года назад
@@chrisp4170 i agree with you. Green flag racing is the LAST goal based only on a teams agreement. Τhe main reasons are the rules of the sport, these racing rules were the basis of the pit stop decisions by both teams.
@indyguy5570
@indyguy5570 2 года назад
@@chrisp4170 If it is not green flag racing then it is not RACING period. Finishing any race under a SC is weak and complete cowardice. I love at least one of NASCAR's approach with the green white checker, ALL races should end under green, if a red flag is needed fine, but end them racing not a final parade lap. F1 has become nothing more than timed laps and very little true racing.
@notzainul9577
@notzainul9577 2 года назад
"To get the lapped cars out of the way of racing" apparently the only race happening in the eyes of Masi is only between Max and Lewis
@andorka555
@andorka555 2 года назад
Especially the overtaken cars (like Lando) were in a race, but unable to catch up as the SC was forced back too early.
@greatcornholio5541
@greatcornholio5541 2 года назад
It’s all just made up BS by the race director…Hamilton had fastest lap, pole, race pace, lead…everything that weekend was his. Max needed his team mate, brand new fresh tires and a stupid race director to win.
@vincentdaniels7818
@vincentdaniels7818 2 года назад
loooool 🤪Director is a clown.
@frituurvlieg
@frituurvlieg 2 года назад
​@@greatcornholio5541 yea, just like in Silverstone Max had it all but was kicked out of the race by who again? Lewis got lucky there that he could win the race. Max got lucky here by a race director that was creative in a solution to race instead of a parade to the end. And yes, that was perhaps unfair for Mercedes that expected a different outcome of the SC situation, but not stupid.
@greatcornholio5541
@greatcornholio5541 2 года назад
@@frituurvlieg The thing is Hamilton had the lead and could’ve pitted for soft tires himself and then not lost positions to max if the rules were consistent
@tshepokgoale5378
@tshepokgoale5378 2 года назад
1:03 - Inaccurate statement from my view point. Those 5 cars you mentioned didn't jam themselves between Lewis and Max because of Max pitting, they were always going to come into play. Lewis lapped them before the crash/Safety Car. If you recall team radio between Bono and Lewis, Bono clearly stated Max had to contend with back markers, hence gap was communicated as 12 seconds + lapped cars. Martin Brundle and David Croft from SkySportsF1 even said the DRS train is going to make Max struggle passing the cars because on the 2 DRS zones, because they had DRS on each other. This meant Max would struggle passing them on the straights. And have to wait for the slower corners for them to move out the way. The Redbull went low down force changing the rear wing for the final race, compromising slow corner performance. You can do the maths and strat why the changed Max to the supersoft and pressured Masi to clear lapped cars only after they saw were Max came out. Why did Horner wait for Max to comfortably behind the "gap of lapped cars" to call for 1 lap shoot out, why not a 2 lap shoot-out with both cars on super softs. Lapped cars can work both for you and against. Max once used Schumacher for DRS to defend Hamilton in the last lap, rewind Circuit of the Americas. Horner at one stage was going off at Haas to get Schumacher out the way so as to not slow Max down but fortuitously he picked up a slip stream and DRS. So Mercedes and Bono strat was based on no lapped cars passing as a buffer between Max and Lewis, had they known the lapped would go through, Lewis could have had an option to pit. With all that said, I think Mercedes strat failed them, they should have pitted Lewis during during VSC for a brand set of Hards or scrubbed Mediums. They had the better ICE and race pace, yes Max was gonna be hard to pass but not impossible especially with DRS enabled. Just as he struggled with Perez but passed him eventually. Liberty Media will pressure the FIA to increase staff compliment and stewards to assist Masi. Maybe ask for a Deputy Race Director and Communication Director as entertaining as Sunday was, the screw up is bad for the sports. Recall Jeddah communication to the teams......very very poor, unclear and unorderly. That's why you need the a Deputy Race Director to review footage, Race Director to make the call and Communication Director to issue comms in a structured manner to the teams. They also need to relook at enabling DRS rules after Safety Car. If the gap was significant prior to safety car 2 laps should be enough to re-establish it, if it was below 2 seconds maybe, enable the DRS on the first lap. If Lewis had DRS on the last lap, Max wasn't going to maintain the pass or lunge knowing Lewis had DRS.
@oneworld2724
@oneworld2724 2 года назад
A race is a a race. Merc tactical move to stick with worn rubber was their choice and a big blunders.
@89liveforthemoment
@89liveforthemoment 2 года назад
Hamilton had to work his way through the traffic that Masi let through in the run up to the safety car. He would have known that Verstappen had put fresh rubber on. He knew he was going against his own rules and anyone would have known that was going to hand the race to Verstappen after Hamilton had clearly won already. Wrong. It doesn’t matter who you support, it was wrong. Not taking anything away from either driver. They both did amazing this year and provided us with the best season in years and both deserved the win. Well done to both of them. Let’s just have consistent rules and stop meddling with the race please! I want to see them fight each other and not the FIA.
@x808drifter
@x808drifter 2 года назад
@@JuanCEOs725 And if he did the large majority would be fine with it. That assshat needs to be fired.
@manalterkeinfreiername2140
@manalterkeinfreiername2140 2 года назад
what has happened this year with the FIA is that formula 1 is seen as a show and not as a sport. that is pretty bad in my opinion.
@bboyjunyor
@bboyjunyor 2 года назад
from a sporting perspective.. yes. from a $$$ perspective.. no! people come for the drama, for the show.. entertainment, not for the sport! Think about baseball! WHO on earth likes that? nobody! they just say they do while they go to the event only to drink beer and talk.. nothing happens on the stupid field! so... think about it!
@hellogodblessyou6946
@hellogodblessyou6946 2 года назад
🤔🤔🤔Hmmmmm
@7mmalltheway
@7mmalltheway 2 года назад
It always has been .. And especially in this season FIA had to do a favor of one of two F1 giants and a British living legend. But at the same time it had to support a new-young hero who brought in lots of young fans , and who was expected to end boringness of F1. FIA did it’s best to create spectacles and was bias to two drivers. Midfield drivers would have had no chance to get away with severe penalties.
@evilformerlys4704
@evilformerlys4704 2 года назад
@@7mmalltheway Hero to who? WTF are you talking about, he drives a race car and comes from a wealthy family, who the hell is Max a hero to? Please go on and explain in detail, I hate when folks just say some really out of pocket stuff, Max is a hero to who silver spoons?
@7mmalltheway
@7mmalltheway 2 года назад
@@evilformerlys4704 First of all, do your own research before claiming ‘out of pocket idea’ whatever. Max is the most favored F1 driver by all age groups, and the 2nd most favored driver(after Lando) by young F1 fan age group. Second, If your distorted communistic view was correct , Churchill, Newton, Gandhi and all the great kings, nobles, and great ppl from wealthy backgrounds(you name it) don’t deserve the title, heros. But ppl and even historians do call them heros. So ppl are all insane, right? 😀 Although Lewis wasn’t born from a wealthy family, he was lucky enough to receive the most exclusive and elite racing education and fanatical support from McLaren. If you hate silver spoons boys, go watch some other sports. You can not become a F1 driver if you were from an ordinary family. I do sympathize ppl like you who’s trying to false-accuse particular wording instead of understanding the whole meaning of the paragraph, due to lack of comprehending ability. You would’ve sound much more convincing if you oppose my idea about FIA being political or statistics that shows Max is supported by a lot of young fans. FYI, I am a Lewis fan who can see facts not emotionally but objectively.
@GrahamAldrich1975
@GrahamAldrich1975 2 года назад
Listen to Horners message to Masi which ends with a very strange sentence... "You only need one racing lap". Why would Horner say 'YOU' to Masi? I'd have understood if he said WE only need one racing lap but instead he's referring to Masi. Maybe it's "You only need one racing lap..... to get the finish you want".
@hittori
@hittori 2 года назад
When a judge judges differently in two similar cases it is called prevarication.
@lj9523
@lj9523 2 года назад
I'm still pretty much gutted about how it all unfolded. There were different situations on the table. Even though Max definitely deserved the title, it's a shame that it was taken away from Lewis - in the decisive race, he completely dominates Max and ends up getting knocked out by this controversial decision by a third party. Just to have a good show, you should not bend the basic rules of the sport, not in the last lap of the last race of the championship. It would have been just as much of a farce if it had happened the other way around, this has nothing to do with sport, but solely with entertainment. And that can not please a real fan. And yes, Max has certainly taken some penalties this season, which is perhaps why many are talking about compensatory justice. In my eyes, he deserved many of the penalties, but again, is definitely also a deserving world champion. Still, this final was for me a distortion of competition.
@laszlonagy02
@laszlonagy02 2 года назад
He would be stronger than max with the same tires but he didn't pitted.
@pet3r387
@pet3r387 2 года назад
@@laszlonagy02 because he would have lost track position, if he went in then Max would have stayed out and be in front of Hamilton, all the while it wasn't clear if the race would have ended on the safety car or not.
@RidwanNurzeha
@RidwanNurzeha 2 года назад
Hamilton deserved the Abu Dhabi GP. But Max deserved the title.
@omiitopa5498
@omiitopa5498 2 года назад
This sums up everything v nicely - ironically the one lap shoot out that was engineered just meant the leading driver was at a massive disadvantage. But I suppose in Masi’s eyes this is fair racing lol
@lilRicky891
@lilRicky891 2 года назад
Would he have been in the lead if he wasnt given the free pass on cutting the corner
@Jaredscott89
@Jaredscott89 2 года назад
"any" in this context should actually be interpreted as all cars. The entire sentence must be read down, you can't simply hold out one single word and read down that meaning alone. Then the 15.1 rule in context means the director can over rule the clerk of the course, not that they can make up rules on the fly as to the use of the car. It is an overriding authority. Say if the clerk had a stroke mid race, director can now control that aspect, or other such scenarios where needed. It isn't intended to give the director discretion to inject himself into the championship outcome. Which is what has happened, an artificial scenario made to provide a last lap shootout at the expense of all credibility. Masi needs to resign at the very least. F1 can't continue this way and the rule book obviously needs to be altered to make the language airtight so that they don't get these idiots making it up as they go.
@gioponti6359
@gioponti6359 2 года назад
I second every sentence. Plus, Masi‘s comment „its car racing“, when being reminded to stick to the rules, makes it all more difficult to accept Masi still has his job.
@danielmurawski5926
@danielmurawski5926 2 года назад
To override means to cancel someone else's decision, so I think it's not for situations like clerk having a stoke. Instead, it's probably meant to be used in situations where rules leave some room for interpratation (like red flag rule)
@Jaredscott89
@Jaredscott89 2 года назад
@@danielmurawski5926 It is exactly like the situation I described, I didn't intend my comment to be limited to that, it was a simple a example of an extreme scenario that shows why it was included in the rules and the context for its use. No decision, is also a situation in which someone can override too.
@MrBrian208
@MrBrian208 2 года назад
the fairest result would have been to finish it under a safety car as Lewis was 10 seconds ahead of Max before the crash and it was an obvious massive advantage to Max if they went for a 1 lap sprint after he had been second for the majority of the race... Masi's decision certainly decide the outcome - it wasn't fairly decided on the track.
@zelzuu
@zelzuu 2 года назад
Would have been cool to see a red flag and a new start with everyone having new softs
@cnfnbcn3227
@cnfnbcn3227 2 года назад
your reasoning sucks. finish under safety car because Lewis was ahead the whole race? what?
@ksccts
@ksccts 2 года назад
@@cnfnbcn3227 If that is your reasoning then Sainz should have been allowed to close up on Max with no cars in between them.
@robfer5370
@robfer5370 10 месяцев назад
@@cnfnbcn3227 No finish under the safety car, because that is the only way that race could of finished and followed the rules of the sport!! Anything other then that is a manipulation of the race and is unfair to the drivers out of position. The fact that it is the last few laps, the end of the season and two guys are fighting for the win level on points, doesn't come into it! *The rules are followed regardless of circumstances! To ensure sporting fairness and safety!!*
@goncalocosta1003
@goncalocosta1003 2 года назад
What makes these people think that a whole championship can be overturned on technicalities. It's one race out of 22 and if one decision is disputed then every decision can be, making a precedent to challenge in court every controversial decision as "championship critical".
@Shades_of_White
@Shades_of_White 2 года назад
I'm not understanding this overwhelming desire that everyone has to have the race finish under race conditions. Yes, it'd be anticlimactic for the race to end behind the safety car, but plenty of races in the past have ended this way and so could this. Yes, people could say it was a bit of a let down, but it's not as if Max and Lewis were fighting wheel to wheel all race and the safety car stopped it. Lewis had the race under control and Max was powerless 10 seconds down the road. They ran out of time to end it under race conditions, or they would have if they followed procedure. Honestly, it was so blindly manufactured to allow the top two go toe to toe on the last lap that I've lost all respect for the sport, or at least the sport under Liberty Media.
@marco6798
@marco6798 2 года назад
If the race was in the middle of the season there is no doubt it had ended with a safety car. Masi wants drama, seams to be director of Netflix
@MrElpajita
@MrElpajita 2 года назад
Max Verstappen is YOUR 2021 Formula 1 World Champion! Max Max, super Super Max!
@jamesf8864
@jamesf8864 2 года назад
@@MrElpajita Thanks for that valuable contribution to this technical debate 🙄
@salem2410
@salem2410 2 года назад
Considering in Spa they happily ran an entire 2-lap race under safety car I find it hard to believe the same people would say the race shouldn't have ended behind the safety car after 50+ of racing with a clear dominant winner. The aftermath of this mockery of a final race is almost as unbelievable as what went on. F1 experts are choosing to play dumb or stay silent to protect their jobs. Highly influential people like Bernie going on Sky news to say it was won fair and square; adding that he was happy Schumacher's record wasn't broken and hopes it won't be whilst Schumacher is alive. With probably only 2 years left of LH's career, if this doesn't tell you that some people at the top just don't want him to ever get the 8th then not sure what will. Bernie concluded by saying " well, we'll see if it happens" when asked aren't records made to be broken.
@andrewgreen5892
@andrewgreen5892 2 года назад
I'd go further than that: Masi was happy to have a race entirely play out under a safety car, so long as Max won (Belgium), he was happy for a race to finish under a safety car, insisting that all lapped cars had to pass, so long as Max won (Eifel GP). Race control was relatively lenient on forcing drivers off track, so long as it was Max doing it (Saudi Arabia, Brazil). I understand that media figures want to seem 'balanced', but the only real consistent pattern in Masi's decision-making is that he has has favoured Max
@0rthell0
@0rthell0 2 года назад
Am I missing something? 15.3 surely doesn’t mean that the rules relating to the deployment or withdrawal of the safety car can be ignored and overridden by the whims of the race director. But only that if there was ever a disagreement between the race director and clerk of the course on wether it were safe to bring in the safety car. Then the race director would have the overriding opinion.
@kevinmac2200
@kevinmac2200 2 года назад
A very important point that is being ignored. Rule 15.3 clearly is designed to say the race director has final discretion on when to deploy the safety car. It DOESN'T mean "all those rules which describe proper safety car protocol? .. those ones we've herein laid out?.. those are redundant, as actually it's all down to the race controller and he can do whatever he thinks is most fun".
@adamsmith4953
@adamsmith4953 2 года назад
The buck stops with massi.
@chris_wicksteed
@chris_wicksteed 2 года назад
Yep. Can't believe how many commentators have completely ignored the context of rule 15.3. You can't just cut half a sentence out of a clause, and use that as your justification! You have to take the clause as a whole, and determine what the intention behind it is.
@endthisnonsense7202
@endthisnonsense7202 2 года назад
What 15.3 ACTUALLY means is that the Racing Directors is authorize and is accountable. The fact the responsibility can be delegated doesn't change a tiny bit of that. So if the Racing Director feels "this is not going right" or "I will get into trouble with my accountability", he HAS TO step in and override.
@based_yeoman9138
@based_yeoman9138 2 года назад
That's legal writing for you 😑
@ParallaxEffect
@ParallaxEffect 2 года назад
"pitting didn't cost them any positions, so they gambled" - EEH NO. its not a gamble if it didn't cost anything. another strange myth MV fans told themselves about the race end is that RB somehow had some genius strategy. Not only is taking a big gamble and it paying off basically luck - THEY DIDN"T EVEN GAMBLE at the end because it cost them nothing.
@raymondsagius2730
@raymondsagius2730 2 года назад
Everybody emphasises the "any lapped cars are required" part. All of them skip the very first sentence of 48.12, which very clearly states that this requirement only comes in effect AFTER the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all the competitors. It never was. A different message was stating that "Lapped car so and so to overtake the safety car", which does not fulfill the requirement to bring 48.12 into effect. So, 48.12 was not breached.
@lubus0
@lubus0 2 года назад
I think you just confirmed the point that the rules were not adhered to. There aren't different rules for different messages, so if the procedure wasn't followed, that's just another deviation in Mercedes' defense. Masi made up the lapped cars message.
@raymondsagius2730
@raymondsagius2730 2 года назад
@@lubus0 The rule is very clear. 48.12 If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car. Was that message sent? No, was there a requirement to let all the cars pass? No. The message is even quoted in the rule for clarity that it is specifically THAT message invoking THAT part of 48.12... The other quoted message invoking the other part of 48.12 WAS sent. That leaves us with 48.12 telling cars overtaking will not be allowed, and 48.8a telling cars overtaking is not allowed unless instructed to by the safety car. Then we send 'Safety car in this lap' to invoke 48.13, and now we have a legal basis for the events as they happened.
@drosslander4369
@drosslander4369 2 года назад
I really believe Michael Masi has to go. His inconsistent rulings made it way more dangerous out there for the drivers who couldn't get a clear answer as to what was legal and what was a penalty. The whole year was frustrating in that respect and really comes down to the race director's inconsistency. In the end Lewis has been ripped off and Max has a tainted championship - no winner.
@ildoninojoao3478
@ildoninojoao3478 2 года назад
Masi is the drive to survive director not the race director.
@Well_be_right_back
@Well_be_right_back 2 года назад
Really in a nutshell Masi proved to be a hypocrite because remember, last year during the eifel gp he said ALL lapped cars must pass, but now he is like oh screw the rules let's just break our own rules. Really he should go and instead of max being stripped of the title, lets share the title with both max and lewis. There everyone is happy and its a first for f1, especially considering how close things were for the whole season.
@comeatmebro3229
@comeatmebro3229 2 года назад
just to play devils advocate, has Masi been inconsistent all year or have the stewards? sure the end of the race is on Masi but any other time its the Stewards, Masi as race director cant actually hand out penalties thats solely on the stewards, the race director can refer things to the stewards and suggest teams give a place back but he cant actually dish out penalties.
@beckfordp
@beckfordp 2 года назад
"Let them race!" - Well he didn't allow those who were lapped but weren't allowed to pass the safety car to race... Their chances of passing the ones ahead who were allowed to pass was over. Likewise with Lewis, on 40 lap old tyres... His ability to race Max was over too... The exact opposite of what Masi claims was his motivation. BIG FAIL.
@wasbruno
@wasbruno 2 года назад
Huge
@DERP_Squad
@DERP_Squad 2 года назад
He didn't let Sainz race either.
@tmive69
@tmive69 2 года назад
Yes, but dont overthink it. Mercedes simply didnt want to lose position by pitting, and red bull had nothing to lose and took the chance. Do you prefer these "holy rules" and have a safety car finish to close a championship? Get over with it
@daquarius1222
@daquarius1222 2 года назад
well that was Mercedes fault really... Yes if Lewis pitted he lost track positions to Max, but Max pitted and lost track position to entire field lol??? They could have pulled in Lewis at that current Lap of the safety car and still come out pretty much okay to still be in the race lol. They gambled on Masi letting the Race finish on Yellow Flag, and they failed!. "if you look down the barrel of a gun and it goes of, you'll shoot your self" :)
@richardhobbs7360
@richardhobbs7360 2 года назад
@@tmive69 I'd prefer to the rules to be followed, yes, if that means ending under SC then so be it
@paulsillence3
@paulsillence3 2 года назад
Only allowing the cars between Hamilton and Verstappen to unlap was clear intervention by the race director in Red Bulls favour. In this case it was a clear breach of their own rules and Mercedes have every right to feel aggrieved and appeal.
@OliveiraX
@OliveiraX 2 года назад
Maybe Masi should be handed a set of cards (yellow and red), and he could use them if a team principal disputed his decisions. It has been done in football/soccer with great success. A yellow card would be a warning, a red card would be a ban from the paddock in the following race. Simple & effective!
@grimmjowww9452
@grimmjowww9452 2 года назад
I think Hamilton and Mercedes didnt pit for new tires during the last sc since they thought the race would end during the safety car but instead it went to the pits early and the cars between the two were allowed to unlap themselves which just messed them up. Im also pretty sure that the word ANY is immediately confirmed to mean all since the next rule says "LAST lapped cars" which techincally means all the cars. Then again with the lapped cars being in the way of actual racing, the literal permission to allow only the cars between Ver and Ham affected the racing of the rest of the cars behind Verstappen. It made it look like the only race that mattered was the one between Lew and Ver. I mean it was the most important but jesus christ.
@Soutar3DG
@Soutar3DG 2 года назад
If Mercedes and Lewis did decide to pit, Max would have stayed out and it would have ended under the SC instead to give Max the win that way.
@andyr3802
@andyr3802 2 года назад
Pit and give up track position to Max with just a few laps left? Is that a sensible move??
@stemartin6671
@stemartin6671 2 года назад
It's not all the cars that are allowed to pass the SC, but only ones that have passed certain lines on the track by a certain time..i don't know which cars met this criteria if any or all did... 2nd paragraph “If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message ‘LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE’ has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the Safety Car. **“This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the Safety Car was deployed.** “Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the Safety Car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the Safety Car. “Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. “Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the Safety Car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the Safety Car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap. “If the clerk of the course considers track conditions are unsuitable for overtaking the message ‘OVERTAKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED’ will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system"
@grimmjowww9452
@grimmjowww9452 2 года назад
@@Soutar3DG Which is why they didnt... but the rules got bent and their strategy (i think it was) fell apart.
@MegaIronica
@MegaIronica 2 года назад
In this context "any" definitely means "all". If a law says any person entering the country must submit a proof of a negative covid test, I dont see myself going to the airport to argue "we'll it didn't say all, so let me on the plane".
@steviesteve750
@steviesteve750 2 года назад
Whoever you wanted to win, I think all parties can agree that it was an absolute farce that made F1 look like a clown show. The FIA needs to get a grip on itself, and quickly. Whilst they're at it, would be great to seem them take WRC seriously as well.
@jakubkrcma
@jakubkrcma 2 года назад
I, a life-long F1 enthusiast, am VERY close to stopping watching F1. The whole season, there have been fuck ups after fuck ups by the officials. ALL THE FUCKING TIME... :-(
@7eVen.si62
@7eVen.si62 2 года назад
I wanted Max to win. The race was fair. Go and read the rules.
@aztronomy7457
@aztronomy7457 2 года назад
@@7eVen.si62 I'm sure if lewis had won this way, you'd be repeating that same line in Max's defeat. I'm glad you enjoy WWE F1. Oh, there's nothing in the rules that technically states you can let only some of the lapped cars go
@7eVen.si62
@7eVen.si62 2 года назад
@@aztronomy7457 No...have a bottle🍼🍼🍼
@7eVen.si62
@7eVen.si62 2 года назад
@@aztronomy7457 Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our determination includes its deployment and withdrawal.
@Chr15py_
@Chr15py_ 2 года назад
What do I think? It was a blatant bending of the rules that was swayed by RedBull. No point having rules if you’re not going to follow them. If they had kept the cars there and said go for the last lap, it would have delayed it but Max might have still won. We were cheated out of this by the FIA and RedBull. A very sad end to a great season
@Tscheche89
@Tscheche89 2 года назад
Agreed on all your points. Teams shouldn´t be able to argue the decissions during the race. And they should rethink the rulebook and make clear conditions. The whole F1 season was overshadowed by stupid off track combats because of the rules. Good rules are short, easy to understand and easy to interpret.
@thom9918
@thom9918 2 года назад
Do not interfere with the race. To ensure safety and to let the race finish in accordance with the rules, whether the spectators like it or not.
@brandonfromlondonuk3484
@brandonfromlondonuk3484 2 года назад
thank you
@quigglyz
@quigglyz 2 года назад
Agreed. All lapped cars should have passed immediately. Max still would have won, but at least the Brits would have to find another excuse to cry.
@colz848
@colz848 2 года назад
@@quigglyz no he wouldn't you plank as if the rules were followed and all cars were told to pass the laps would have ran out as the saftey car would still have been out! Jesus how thick are you people
@brandonfromlondonuk3484
@brandonfromlondonuk3484 2 года назад
@@quigglyz your a fool if you think its just the British people kicking up a fuss its the whole world my brain dead friend go and watch the last race in 2012 that finished under the safety car GO ON
@stratman9449
@stratman9449 2 года назад
is that the official (british) statement of the mercedes and Hamilton fanblock???....:-D
@DeeSeaAreEss
@DeeSeaAreEss 2 года назад
Thank you for a very clear explanation of the facts. Was I mistaken in hearing a call that lapped cars won’t pass, followed by one saying they should? Also the race is not just about the leaders but the mid field battles too. By only allowing a few cars through he negated these battles as well. All in all a very unsatisfactory way to end a season.
@7eVen.si62
@7eVen.si62 2 года назад
Max won. Very satisfactory.
@sayfami3927
@sayfami3927 2 года назад
Snake oil Salesman MaFIA & Co SIMPLY MANIPULATED A PREFERRED OUTCOME, AS INTENDED! BENNIE ECCLESTONE IN THE TIMES ELUDED TO A CHANGE OF GUARD As DID maFIA (deliberate inconsistencies of directive) & LIBERTY MEDIA (hollywood reality celeb tv culture). ALL COLLUDING FOR A MAX OUTCOME SADLY FOR COMMERCIAL GAINS SUPPOSEDLY AND TO NEW SWAN SONGS. REGARDLESS OF MB STRATEGY THEY WERE GOING TO GET PLAYED DIRTY. ITS A FIX BUT EPIC FAILURE! MAX IS A PAPER BOY - AN HONORARY CHOMP, WE CALL BS, RUN ALONG YOUR PAPER ROUNDS🤡🎁🎅
@NemuruYama
@NemuruYama 2 года назад
@@sayfami3927 Ummm, wut dis
@Tommmmmmmmmmmm
@Tommmmmmmmmmmm 2 года назад
@@7eVen.si62 Max was gifted a win* lewis dominated the entire race.
@djocker0366
@djocker0366 2 года назад
@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm Max was the better driver the whole year.
@julianlockyear8824
@julianlockyear8824 2 года назад
It's simple. The most sporting and fair option would have been to leave the lapped cars in place. Lewis had a huge lead wiped out through no fault of his and Max would enjoy a sporting chance to catch him after a good call for a tyre change. Moving just a few cars is a joke because it impedes the other cars on the lead lap. How can that be right? The race wasn't just about two cars after all.
@johnti1653
@johnti1653 2 года назад
Very good summary. Someone mentioned to me that the restart wasn't an option as the race was over 90% complete as well...?
@Chris67831
@Chris67831 2 года назад
“It’s a motor race,” but his decision pretty much made the first 54 laps null and void. I don’t think anyone could have made the right call in that moment, but the decision to finish the race not under safety car and after the second place driver has pitted for softs, after he allowed only the cars between the race leaders to pass, you can’t say it was a fair restart. It was the smart move to stay out for Lewis because he kept track position and if it wasn’t red flagged and Max pitted, either all lapped cars should’ve been let through, leading to a possible win under SC or Max should’ve had to fight from position. But instead, he made a decision that gave Max the clear advantage. Regardless of popular opinion, the fairest way to end that race was under safety car or red flagged. I do believe Masi did everything to his best ability to ensure that the race didn’t end under SC but by doing that, he failed to realize that it was his decision, not the teams nor the drivers, that determined the Championship.
@Exevium
@Exevium 2 года назад
If he just let the lapped cars past the SC a lap sooner, we wouldn't be in this mess. Cameras show Latifis car almost behind the barrier in lap 55. Lap 56 lapped cars overtake, lap 57 safety car into pit and lap 58 the last racing lap. This would've given them an extra lap to sort out the racing order as well. It's the right result, under the wrong conditions.
@tomj2839
@tomj2839 2 года назад
@@Exevium But the track has to be cleaned up and ready for racing to let the lapped cars overtake the safety car. And as I remember this wasn't the case.
@davepayne164
@davepayne164 2 года назад
Masi is a wet fart of a human being, and not fit to lead a scout troop
@billyfletcheriracing9833
@billyfletcheriracing9833 2 года назад
@@Exevium very well said, that sums this entire fiasco up perfectly
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@markh6301
@markh6301 2 года назад
by pitting under SC Max gave up his track position to those 5 back markers, then was gifted it back, yet Sainz Jr in 3rd was not afforded the same privilege to give him a run on Max for 2nd spot at the restart, seems like a made for tv finish for me. Max had his cake and got to eat it, he’s a very lucky boy!
@joeyzwier
@joeyzwier 2 года назад
Mercedes was lucky most of the season stop crying
@antibody9769
@antibody9769 2 года назад
just like Hamilton in Imola, finishing second one lap down from the others... let's not talk about Siverstone and that pathetic penalty which meant basically nothing. it's time for you Brits to realize its over, maybe next year.
@damot1051
@damot1051 2 года назад
@@antibody9769 Or the pathetic penalty Max got for brake testing Hamilton that meant basically nothing
@namenoname3871
@namenoname3871 2 года назад
@@antibody9769 so we’re going to use what happens in previous races to judge what must occur in this one, get your head out of your ass
@damot1051
@damot1051 2 года назад
I'm surprised Ferrari have been quite about Sainz. They carry a lot of weight with the FIA and F1 being a founding team and having one of their drivers being affected by this decision who realistically could've taken 2nd place as he was only 5 seconds behind Hamilton at the finish
@kenbutler7560
@kenbutler7560 2 года назад
If the tie was broken under a safety car, there would have been controversy. Might as well have controversy, AND a racing lap.
@craiglee3653
@craiglee3653 2 года назад
It's like being robbed by the police, then having to ring the same police to report the robbery. Unbelievable.
@mushieslushie
@mushieslushie 2 года назад
I remembered when they first introduced this un lapping thing. Everyone thought it took so long to do and a lot didn't like it at first. And I think in this case 'any' lapped cars does mean 'all' lapped cars. It doesn't say 'any lapped cars which the race directly hand picks' or something like that.
@Gusto20000
@Gusto20000 2 года назад
Any - means from zero to all of them
@DanielFiskvik
@DanielFiskvik 2 года назад
«… any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car» Strange how the word «required» is used here. If «any» means «some» then «will be required» should be replaced with «may be ordered».
@pwadjo
@pwadjo 2 года назад
@@Gusto20000 No, "any" as an individual word with no context means that. "any" in that sentence means all. This is as clear as day to anyone who is a native English speaker.
@7eVen.si62
@7eVen.si62 2 года назад
Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our determination includes its deployment and withdrawal.
@tascrphs
@tascrphs 2 года назад
@@pwadjo precisely. Any is always interpreted as ABSOLUTE. Only in F1 is any interpreted as some. That's tantamount as One meaning Two. When major operations (Business, Sporting events, organizations, etc.) begin to practice this sort of deliberate malfeasance or material manipulation, it is certain to create a precedent that can have major unintended consequences...
@singaporeghostclub
@singaporeghostclub 2 года назад
Massi took the meaning of ‘Rules are meant to be broken’ - literally.
@muhammedshiraz4204
@muhammedshiraz4204 2 года назад
This joke will keep me up all night 🤣🤣
@karelhoogendoorn
@karelhoogendoorn 2 года назад
The race director shouldn't have the possibility to overrule the rulebook. He just has to make sure that the rules are being followed. And I think it's a good idea to cut the communication between the race director and the teamleaders. No interference in this way. I'm really glad that Verstappen has won this race and I think he deserves the title if you look at the stats. Looking at this season as a whole, this decision is one of many in a strange F1 season. I'm only just starting to watch F1 more seriously, but I hope next year will be a more fair sporting year with clear rules, less framing and more focus on the actual racing.
@oskarbruun
@oskarbruun 2 года назад
One thing that nobody doesn't talk about, is the fact that there's 20 cars on the grid that have the right to race at the end of the safety car, not just the 2 leaders. Why shouldn't Sainz be given a fair chance to fight for the win when he's third behind the safety car? Now he had 2 lapped cars between him and Verstappen while he had his lapped cars cleared... That to me does not sound fair. And shouldn't the midfield teams also have the right to fight for points by starting in the right order after the safety car? Been enjoying this season a lot but the ending here was a huge disappointment, because making the sport into a show became more important than the sport itself.
@ksccts
@ksccts 2 года назад
Exactly and I think this is the strongest argument that the decision made was the wrong one.
@fabiankummer3536
@fabiankummer3536 2 года назад
What I‘m wondering is: Was there only racing between P1 and P2? Why didn‘t Masi care about the lapped cars between P2 and P3 or even behind P3? Are these guys not racing? If Verstappen had a direct opponent on his rear wing, wouldn‘t that (maybe) effect the outcome? Masi had quite some options, he was surely under huge pressure, but in my eyes: He chose the only, let‘s call it „dumb“ option…
@mralexmead
@mralexmead 2 года назад
Max overtook Lewis because he had pitted and was on a fresh set of tyres. Even though Lewis clearly had the faster car he couldn't compete with Max on a fresh set of softs. I don't think Verstappen was under threat from anyone behind him who hadn't even pitted.
@Exevium
@Exevium 2 года назад
He could've called the "Cars can overtake the SC" a lap sooner, instead of having them stick around. The cameras confirmed the track was almost clear at lap 55, Alonso and Vettel called the track clear to race around that time as well. Lap 56 cars should've been let past, lap 57 safety car comes into pitlane, and lap 58 would've been a racing lap. This would've given them an extra lap to sort out the racing order, and maybe could've given Norris a chance to get back a lap and get back P5 in the championship.
@gerhardvaneeden5615
@gerhardvaneeden5615 2 года назад
@@Exevium I specifically watched the race again, and noticed that as the cars were passing the scene of the accident on lap 56, a marshal was seen jumping over the barrier, FROM the track, to safety. That leaves the upcoming lap 57 to let the lapped cars through, AND to bring the SC in, which is what happened. Alonso's radio dialogue confirms that once you have passed the SC, you can go full speed (but may not pass until the SC line). So it would've been too dangerous to call for un-lapping any earlier. What Michael did was the only option to enable a finish under a green flag, imho.
@gerhardvaneeden5615
@gerhardvaneeden5615 2 года назад
Further, there was most likely not enough time to let ALL the lapped cars through, and I honestly don't think Sainz would have involved himself (if he was even able to) with this incredibly fractious WC battle.
@lisasun2890
@lisasun2890 2 года назад
@@mralexmead that's assumption. Anything could possibly happen. The last lap call already proved my point
@coenvanwyk1
@coenvanwyk1 2 года назад
It was a victory of Hollywood style entertainment over racing.
@nevillegrimshaw7758
@nevillegrimshaw7758 2 года назад
Absolutely spot on Coen! All I can say as a fan of F1 for nearly 50 years I was disillusioned with the way it ended, I feel sorry for both max and Lewis.
@J5L5M6
@J5L5M6 2 года назад
@@nevillegrimshaw7758 Hear, hear
@matpk
@matpk 2 года назад
@@nevillegrimshaw7758 Lewis should race in Indycar🥳🥳 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bpQFCcSI0pU.html
@michaelpfister1283
@michaelpfister1283 2 года назад
My opinion: Hamilton stayed out to preserve track position. Verstappen pitted to get fresh rubber, RISKING his position if anyone behind him stayed out. The consequences of that risk was that 5 drivers stayed out. I am all for "let them race", but the risk vs reward calculus here should have dictated that they go green a lap earlier, with 2 full laps to race, and with 5 lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen. Risk / Reward, both drivers get the benefits and consequences of their choices. As it played, Hamilton had no choice but to try to defend on old tires while Verstappen was allowed to shed this consequences and go after Hamilton under ideal conditions. Masi basically gave Verstappen every possible advantage because having Max overtake on the last lap and win his first championship with that last-minute move would be thrilling and good for business for F1. Even this controversy is good for the sport overall, particularly from a PR perspective. The mistake was only letting the 5 cars between Hamilton and Verstappen through, and not the rest. It proves he was manipulating the race down to a final lap, mano-a-mano show-down. Which, ultimately, was not fair or just to Hamilton as he was in the position of advantage but also did not have the freedom to react to the circumstances. If he had known he would be allowed to snuggle up behind Verstappen, he might have chosen to pit for new rubber himself, and the positions would have been reversed. What we can never know is whether Michael Masi might have wanted to slant it toward Verstappen? Not because he is partisan, but because it serves F1 more to have a fresh new champion, stoking the fire of the rivalry into next year? No way to know that, but I personally suspect it was part of the calculus that brought us here. And that is a shame.
@andyb5259
@andyb5259 2 года назад
They should ban pitting for tire changes on yellow , it creates a tremendous disadvantage to whoever is leading the race, and that’s hardly fair. Max is a great driver and I hope he wins another world championship at some point where the victory isn’t tainted like this one. Whoever folks believe should have won at Abu Dhabi , it was F1 as a sport that lost.
@dawnmaster68
@dawnmaster68 2 года назад
to be fair the choice to not change tires is one Mercedes has taken a fair number of times this season. all out of fear to lose position. even to an extend that Lewis had to limp home on three tires once. when you gamble you can win, but you can also lose. they won most of those gambles and only once lost that gamble. and taking chances and being fair ... if Max hadn't crashed in Silverstone the season would've been over two races ago.
@Adrenaliving
@Adrenaliving 2 года назад
At the end of the day F1 has dominated the headlines this year all year, popularity is sky high and David beat goliath. Who wins from all this? The Fans because everyone will be tuning in next year hoping it will be as exciting as this year even if it is almost impossible to run a championship as close and crazy as this one.
@roastingminer6919
@roastingminer6919 2 года назад
I just feel that max was given an unjust and extreme advantage from all the bullshittery. Not saying this is maxes fault at all, but what the fia did was unacceptable.
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 2 года назад
At the expense of everyone else on the lead lap, not just Lewis. Masi is out of his depth.
@starptgr
@starptgr 2 года назад
Just like Mercedes and Hamilton had been given extreme advantages from bullshittery earlier in the season. It has all balanced out, and the better driver has won.
@megawave79
@megawave79 2 года назад
@@starptgr how? They literally had regulations imposed against their car which put them behind redbull
@orange8003
@orange8003 2 года назад
@@starptgr The very fact you’re saying that is clear that we should all be focusing on exposing the FIA
@islandboi1988
@islandboi1988 2 года назад
@@starptgr you can knit pick at every little thing for the whole season and go back and forth. We ALLLL know what happened in Abu Dhabi.lol
@aaronwong3472
@aaronwong3472 2 года назад
Michael Masi's statement that the reason for waving the lapped cars is to ensure there are racing. But in only waving 5 cars pass, he is implying only Max and Lewis race is of importance in this particular case. What about giving a fair chance to all the other drivers on track to race and make passes to gain positions? The race is not only between 2 drivers but all of the drivers. Which is probably why the rules require all passed cars to lap, and the safety car to pit in the subsequent lap so that all the cars have time to bunch up. Which will only then create a fair and equitable race restart for ALL drivers. For example, in this race, Leclerc could have finished ahead of Lando Norris in the drivers championship if he could have overtaken Ocon in the race by finishing equal on points. But he didn't get the same opportunity to overtake Ocon at the restart because the rulebook wasn't followed. As such, he was not directly behind Ocon in the same manner as Vestappen was behind Hamilton at the restart. Which is not fair racing for all drivers. Masi's interpretation of the rules that he has the ultimate authority in deciding how many cars can be waved through is flawed as it gives him authority to decide who is getting to race and who doesn't. His overiding authority in safety car matters should only be on safety matters. Getting the race to finish under racing conditions is not a safety matter. In any case, the rules are not written by Masi, and he probably do not understand the underlying reasons for the rule in the first place. And instead, applying his own interpretation of it, which seems to be at fault in this case. Masi's desire to end the race in race conditions explains the indecisiveness of his instructions. At the back of his mind, he sort of knew that if he were to follow the rulebook, which is to wave through all the lapped cars, and then pit the safety car in the subsequent lap, the race would have to end under the safety car. Therefore he initially decided to get the race started with no cars unlapping themselves. But then as Horner protested, he decided to bend the rules to get a lap of racing. Inadvertently missing out that his decision was actually a biased one which did not give a fair race to all of the drivers on track. But since the mistake is already done, he and the stewards just have to double down and stick to their guns to avoid admitting their own mistake. It would be a shame if Mercedes decides not to follow up this case in court.
@oldschool8330
@oldschool8330 2 года назад
I agree. It makes a mockery of sporting competition. What would have happened if Lewis and max collided? You’d have a back marker taking the chequered flag.
@sudhikrish9785
@sudhikrish9785 2 года назад
Who said? They are taking it to court
@efivos5362
@efivos5362 2 года назад
If I were an F1 driver, and was at 3rd place at the specific GP, considering that I would have taken my position as usual behind the 2nd car, I wouldn't have even given a fuck who is racing in front of me and who is going to win the championship. I would have put my best to finish 1st in that final lap. Having balls means you race for yourself.
@joshua.snyder
@joshua.snyder 2 года назад
In court?! 🤣 If Hamilton had won Mercedes wouldn't have said a word about the decision. Lewis, Toto and their fans need to grow up.
@reedharper7013
@reedharper7013 2 года назад
And this I agree with. From a sporting viewpoint this is shambolic! Embarrassing that "the highest" form of motorsport is run as "masi's F1." Very disappointed. And yes, I hope mercedes are taking this to court because it is bigger than just this championship, it is about "not cheating."
@philhutchinsracing3722
@philhutchinsracing3722 2 года назад
Since these new people took control of F1 they have consistently strived to make it more of a spectacle with events all weekend (at least) etc. - which is good. However, are they also applying inconsistent rulings to spice things up? Rules need to be there to stipulate with absolute clarity what the parameters of the sport are, prevent people gaining an “unfair” advantage, and therefore be applied “fairly” and consistently. It seems that as time goes by these basics are not really being followed and instead of making F1 more attractive and watchable they are having the opposite effect as many people now think the sport is rigged and once again not worth watching. This urgently needs cleaning up.
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