Diesel vs Electric Tug-of-War: Ford F-150 Lightning Takes on the Ram 2500 Cummins In a Nail Biter! 

It would've been cool if you had shown the battery percentage before and after.

Now do It 10 times and see who can still drive home.

The most amazing thing is the tensile strength of that belt

that small difference could be just the type of tread design on the tires. Hardly notable. Or it could be the spot on the dirt where each tire was grabbing. Both the Cummin 6.7L and the Electric were limited by the terrain

I wonder how much the tires matter in tests like these. Seems like an important factor.

I ain’t giving up my Ram 6.7L

The lighting can't drive home now😂

What happened was almost 1000 lbs of curb weight between the Raptor and the Lightning. The last two were more closely matched in weight. I will take the Ram however as I don't have to wait 5 days to charge at the RV park.

5:10 F150 vs Electric F150 8:00 Electric F150 vs Cummins

Very nice tribute to the camera. Thank you Roman and Andre and TFL crew for entertaining me this morning.

I hope that Ford and RAM will not get rid of gasoline and diesel trucks and replace them with fully electric trucks.

Thank for the info

They can build a heavy duty electric truck all they want. The fact of the matter is the milage will never be the same. As you showed in your test with the lightning and the GMC with the 6.2 gasser. When it takes you ten fill ups at a charger bank at how many hours each time, to just pulling up to the pump and taking five minutes at most. The pump will win every time, I don't know about anyone else but my time is worth more than saving a few dollars, issues by using an electric truck. Green energy is steeped in black coal!

Those TransForce tires on the Ram are totally abysmal!!! I took them off my Silverado HD that CarMax put on ... almost got stuck in my flat yard on grass.

In terms of Torque, it is very hard to compete with electric motors, pound per pound. Now being able to supply power to that electric motor is another story.

Did u turn off the advanced traction off on the king ranch f-150?

Thanks for the video, these videos are not very practical but VERY entertaining.

Looks like a win for BF Goodrich tires

Now to see how it really stacks up, get a high output Cummins in the mix or wait for the new super duty to drop and get the high output powerstroke.

They failed to mention tires and tread patterns. I noticed the electric had combination tread, off road and highway compatibility. The ram looked like street only tread.

Would love too see them do a rematch of the lightning and the ram on pavement that way traction is the next beneficial part for a tug o war. I also understand they’re being as gentle as they can for their vehicles which is why they’re doing it on dirt.

lots of feelings going to be hurt

Andre in 2wd. GENIUS.

Hey question what type of walkie talkies are you using?

Thank you so so much for all your videos and your book everything great 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

You guys are nuts but worth every minute of this video.

Yeah, but can the Lightning haul 5k lbs 400 miles without stopping?

Now lets do a real world challenge. Haul a trailer across the state and back. 😏

I much rather have the diesel any day.

more spinage then poppeye

This is an very easy explanation. No weight in the back of the diesel truck which means no traction for the rear wheels of the diesel truck. If some weight was in the back of the diesel truck it would pull the electric cord all over the field like it was nothing.

In the history of automobiles, exactly 0 tug of wars have ever meant anything 😂😂😂

Solution found by Tug boats and train locomotives is use a DIESEL ENGINE TO RUN GENERATORS THAT RUN ELECTRIC MOTORS

We do this on the farm all the time. This test proves nothing. A 140 hp tractor will walk a 170 hp tractor if it’s weight is balanced correctly.

How much to replace those batteries when they go and their availability?

So how far will each one pull my 32 foot fifth wheel before refueling/recharging?

Did you have to charge the Lighting in between pulls?

This is also a tire test. Put a decent set of AT tires on the Ram and redo it. Those Firestone Transucks are AT in name only! And as far as an electric HD, what will that range be towing? 50 miles or less??? Have you guys seen all the 40 foot+, 3 axel fifth wheel trailers, behind 1 ton diesel powered dually pickups that are on the road? Also, love the eulogy to the camera at the end!!!

If your going off a mountain an you run out of electricity do you have control of it still

One of the most overlooked in this demonstration is the TIRES .

I seem to remember that the Lighting had more aggressive tires put on it Hybrid still had the low rolling resistance tires on it.

please do it again on the pavement! all 3 had no traction

Im impressed since the all electric f-150 it’s a half ton truck and it stood it’s ground against a much bigger and heavier ram diesel 2500 that’s a 3/4 ton.

Comment section is just pure RU-vid gold so many tears of infinite sorrow

You should have used the GM 3.0 Duramax to represent the Diesel. then put 1,500 lb in the beds and do it on concrete. Then we will see how tough those drivetrains are!

It was even between the RAM and the Ford Lightning. The RAM appeared to be more planted on the back end too. The Lightning looked like it was fish tailing more.

Still more scientific than that "cyber truck pulling that F-150" in 2 wheel drive video.

Lighting probably had to charge up to make it home after that 😆

All about tires and gearing and weight of its in the right spot. HP, torque don't matter much, a 50 HP tractor that weighs about the same as these trucks would out pull all of them

Hey guys, what percentage of battery did those pulls kill?

I bet the lightening was using high efficiency tires lol

We can see the framing of the new building in the background. Did you guys set up a time lapse for the construction? Those are always good.

Engineering explained broke down the science of this a few years ago. What should take place is the heaviest vehicle with the most force multipliers of torque will win the tug of war every time. I highly recommend watching his breakdown of the cyber trick vs f150 for reference

Can’t do a test like this on a surface that gives. A true test is true conditions.

Funny how the front tires on the king ranch spun to start with but at the end was only spinning the back tires

Well the fact that the Lightening only has an 86 mile range while towing a trailer is a complete deal breaker for me. I'll stick with my Ram Cummins Diesel for anything needing to be towed, thanks!!

Man! Andre bending over yelling, “Roman, is the hole too small?” Cracked me up. You guys are better than Top Gear, great video! 2:11

The question is how much gas is left in the 6.7L vs how much charge did the EV truck burn through. Also the 6.7L hauling a load will go further on a tank of gas than the EV truck will go on a charge with the same load.

So how much battery did the lighting use ?

Lighting has unfair advantage because the other 2 are running in their factory tires and the Lighting was upgraded to all terrain for the Alaska trip

I knew all the reasons why this would not be a particularly informative video. Yet, I watched and enjoyed it anyway. Nice job guys..we can't always be scientific. sometimes, you have to spin tires on dirt.

I'd love to see the King Ranch against a TRD Pro Tundra. Both with TT3.5V6 that would be pretty fun

Distance towing a camper for Ram with full tank: Around 350 miles assuming a 30 gallon tank. Distance towing a similar camper for electric F150: Around 80 miles with a full charge.

Battery may have more torque but until they figure out the life of that battery while towing I will keep my diesel. Good video guys

In a tug of war with 4x4s , the heavier vehicle wins , especially on dirt

I can just see the for sale descriptions!! Lightly driven by my daughter she’s very cautious! It’s never towed anything! The truck has very light use age!

what is the efficiency how much charge was lost ..

So I watching this the ram and the lightning I think , yes we saw the benifit of the instant torque but we also saw the down side of the electric motor. Because what I think we saw is what happens when an electric motor meets its max load. When a electric motor meets its max load it just stops a traditional diesel or gas truck it will continue to try and pull hence why the electric didn’t dig in but the diesel did. You see this with all kinds of electric motors.

The difference is likely due to the differentials. In the Ram the front and rear differentials are open (do not have lockers). Meaning that the 4 wheel drive on the Ram is actually 2 wheel drive because when the wheels start to spin with an open diff all the traction is diverted to the wheel with the most grip. This then results in one wheel on the front and one wheel on the rear having traction on the ram. This is also true of the Ford hybrid. The EV has a different system and has a traction control system which allows all for wheels to have traction. The system gives traction to each wheel and senses slip for each wheel. If you want to make it fair you need a Ram or other diesel truck with front and rear lockers. This will give traction to all four wheels and the Ram will kick ass. A lot of people talk inaccurately about 2 wheel drive and 4 wheel drive. The truth is that 2 wheel drive has only 1 wheel drive in limited traction situations. In 2 wheel drive with a locker engaged it has 2 wheel drive. In 4 wheel drive with the rear locker engaged it has 3 wheel drive. In 4 wheel drive with the front and rear lockers engaged it has 4 wheel drive.

Yea how much percent of battery did it used to pull. And this was good to know ❤

Nothing was mentioned of the tires. Regardless of the torque each truck has, the grip on the dirt road is the most important in a battle like this

Hold the brakes till the other one starts to spin then pull.

I think another advantage an EV has in a tug-of-war, is that when you’re not accelerating, you’re stopping. There’s just no dead time between being on the accelerator and moving to the brakes. Even if you let off the accelerator in the Lightning, you’ll be fighting the electric motors. Pretty cool!

Funny, the Electric F150 ran out of battery 15 minutes later and took 4 hours to charge.

"Is the hole too small?" .... a dollar for every time I've heard that, I'd have.... 2 dollars.

It's kinda funny how the lightning pulled an old school ford 2 1/2 wheel spin trick and still managed to win by a hamster's left ass cheek 😂😂

Pumpin gas is still faster than charging. As a tradesman electric won’t be an option in my lifetime thankfully. I’d prefer to die able to repair my trucks with the tools I have. After that I’m dead so I don’t care. Lol

How many km/miles can u get before u need a recharge?

yo i wasnt expecting my home state to make a guest appearance

That's was neat watching the electric vs the diesel, I'd like to see a 3500 gas or diesel vs the electric and see how they do

always love a good tug of war.......but it only proves which truck is heavier and or has more traction. same weight/traction then it comes down to the driver who keeps their tires from peeling out first. I had a ford courier push a chevy camino back on concrete, because he punched it and was peeling first, my 4 banger didn't have the guts to peel and kept traction.

My condolences..RIP PANASONIC LUMIX GH5..May your service will never be forgotten..

Now for the next challenge let's see how far the gas and diesel trucks can go between fuel stops versus the electric truck.

How much battery did the lightning go through

I would say that the Lighting also has the better tires for pulling in the dirt.

Do they have the same tires

Tug a war is all about traction. Weight, contact patch of tires, torque to turn the tires without breaking traction. In that order. Theres tricks to make up for uneven comparisons.

Interesting. I get the point. In theory the electric with its weight should win I think. After all diesel locomotives are actually electrically driven. Doing it on dirt however just invalidates the entire test, no?

Actually I think this did show a lot! The instant torque helps at first with the ram 2500 but the rams tires kept spinning so when it’s on pavement I believe the ram would lose for a fraction of a second then regain the ground and win. Very cool!!

Do all the vehicles have the same tires?

Was there tension on the rope the first pull? Seeming like it wasn’t and lighting got a tug in there lol.

That instant torque is awesome 👏

You guys solved who has more traction 🥴

This not the concern but refueling how long does it take to recharge vs refueling!

Tires, surface condition, rope stretch, who's on the throttle quicker,.. all those and other factors come into play here. Maybe a better way is to load up a large/heavy trailer and pull up a steep hill on asphalt against the clock, whaddya think TFL? Now there are three trucks that I would not want to buy after this LOL.

I would like to see the lighting pull a weight sled!

5:34 did you lose 4wd on the hybrid?

Just in case you were wondering. The Cummings 6.7L engine is an inline 6 not a v8 like in the Ford's pickups. Very cool test guys 😆

Ain't the letric heavier than both? Hitch heights and wheel base can matter too

The electric truck took 4 hours to charge between each test. Other than that it did great!