Distinguishing Genuine INTJs and INFJs from Impostors | Introverted Intuition (Ni) Deep Dive 

5:58 ni: organize data - try make sense of things SE: collect data 6:25 example ni/se (Intj/infj) 7:05 Se/ni example (estp,esfp) 8:05 ni parent 8:10 ni child 10:30

The bike analogy is one of the best explanations I have seen to contrast Ni-Se and Se-Ni. Having high Ni in today's world is having everyone assuming you are against them simply for bringing up nuance that is not being considered.

A real INFJ knows how hard a INFJs everyday existence is...

"Treat MBTI as a game where you win by becoming more than just a stereotype."

Infj here… What you said at the end is spot on. We don’t feel “special” because we are misunderstood and lonely. It is the worst to have people close to you not understand you or misunderstand what you are saying. It’s a terrible feeling, not a “special” feeling.

My husband and I came back from a meeting with a friend and he said, "I really like talking to her because she can stick with a few key themes throughout the conversation." I asked, "what specific themes were those?" And he actually didn't know how to strictly answer that, until I pointed a couple out and he said "yeah, that's what I meant, but I couldn't express it until you did." I feel like that's an example of "I Ni so much I don't even realize when I'm Ni'ing"--even Carl Jung said that Ni-dominants were terrible at verbally explaining themselves!

I get really angry about this too, to the point where I completely stopped trying to talk about the topic entirely. What I realized is that many non-INTJ types simply do not care about accuracy and don't think about the consequences of their actions. INTJs are constantly verifying the facts because we only want to put out content with high quality information. And we can't help thinking about how this information impacts others. Whereas some types are just completely blind to this.

"Why would we [INTJs] be proud of something we don't have to put effort in?" That's so freaking true. I tend to be proud of the stuff that I had accomplished in reality, such as when the plan is complete and the task is done, because it's when my ideas are being put out there for people to engage in. In fact, I don't brag about my ideas, which was built up by Ni and comes naturally to an INTJ, and the plans that I make, which Te naturally structures itself around due to being an INTJ. I love to explain and ramble about it, sure, but it's the work that I have to do that's when my self-respect grows. I also tend to notice myself making a subtle implication that whenever I talk about my ideas and plans to other people, I kind of appear or sound like I had already done it. It's like a prophecy already made sure (but it's not a prophecy ofc). I dunno. Maybe it's just me and how I self-actualize my plans by stating it as it had already happened to ensure myself of its completion ahead of time.

1. The main takeaway that people should take about dominant-Ni users is that we actually tend to be quite careful when making predictions. I know this probably isn't apparent to an outsider (sorry, can't think of anything else to call people who can't see in my brain) but INTJs and INFJs are usually very careful when making predictions about what will happen because they'll want to make sure they're not missing any information and want to make sure they actually understand what they're saying before they say it. This is why I get really confused when I see things like "Personality Database" where they constantly mistype characters as INTJs because they're "so certain about this one thing" yet most of the time, those characters (usually villains because prejudice, stereotypes and ignorance...) haven't actually looked at all the information and considered all the possibilities which is very out-of-character for Ni-doms (most of these characters are either very abnormal Ni-doms, or they're just not). People hear "consider all the possibilities" and think Ne but no, it's both Ni and Ne, but they approach possibilities in opposite ways. Sure there may be possibilities an INTJ or INFJ hasn't considered but that would be due to a lack of Se information which, once presented, is going to cause an INTJ or INFJ to re-evaluate everything (rather than what a lot of the denizens of Personality Database seem to think which is to just ignore the information). Ni-tunnel vision is a thing but if an Ni-user sees they're about to hit a wall, they'll stop, or slow and change direction. Ni-doms are also unlikely to reject something out of hand if they don't understand it, but are far more likely to reject something out of hand if they understand it enough to know someone is talking out their arse even if they don't recall (or discarded - because no longer necessary) the exact data. 2. This clarifies a lot of arguments I've gotten into over the years (or people I've observed and chosen not to engage, that's more recent. Younger me would have engaged and gone for the jugular) where the person has made some very black and white statement where if something isn't one thing, it's another. Binaries do exist so saying "black and white thinking is always bad" is black and white thinking in of itself, but most of the time such black and white thinking is used where far more nuance is both possible and required to actually understand something. I got into argument over this a while back when it came to relationship dynamics with what I'm guessing was a low-Ni user (was actually trying to figure out what they were when we were arguing so I could understand them better and use that information to predict their moves and pre-emptively counter them - was inconclusive though) and they kept saying things like "If you're not dominant in a relationship then you're submissive and someone has to be dominant" as though relationships were a constant power game and struggle and as though the concept that a relationship could be harmonious and a partnership where both people operate as one unit (rather than two opposing sides always in a state of conflict playing a charade of happiness) was completely foreign to them (to the point where they were acting like such a thing couldn't exist, even though I've observed it but also theorised it when I was a child thinking about what kind of woman I would want to marry - basically someone who was an equal to me... yes, I thought about that as a child... >.

I don't know why anyone would CHOOSE to be an INTJ. It's kind of lonely here.

I've just thought of another rant about this topic: There's this thing constantly about trying to predict which types are the "most narcissistic" and pretty much always I hear INTJs, INFJs, ENTJs etc. getting called the most narcissistic type for really stupid reasons. A lot of the time it is stereotyping from people who don't understand INTJs (or INFJs) and who often don't seem to understand narcissists either. They look at a list of stereotypes about INTJs and go "Sounds like a narcissist!!!" and make really shallow comparisons, then disregard patterns from actual INTJs, often disliking manipulation (not very narcissistic), being unaware socially (very not-narcissistic, narcissists are socially hyper-intelligent - it's how they manipulate people and create cults of personality around themselves) and often shun materialism (again, very not-narcissistic). Narcissists also are known for impulsivity, irrationality, black and white thinking devoid of nuance etc. The other thing is that they cite so-called "INTJs" they know irl who are narcissistic but the only thing they have to go off of is the narcissist's own word about being an INTJ and shallow stereotypes about INTJs (as well as their own preconceived notions and prejudices). Yeah, this cannot be taken seriously at all because narcissists lie constantly about themselves. It's a manipulation tactic they use called a false self. They create the illusion of being something they're not. Now, amongst the MBTI types, which one is most often fetishised and given this vaunted status of specialness? INTJs. And secondarily there's INFJs. Narcissists are well known for creating the false self of being "intuitive", when they're most often not intuitive at all (why would an actual intuitive brag about being intuitive?). They are precisely the types of people to be _mistyped_ as INTJs because they're going to lie about themselves (because they lack a sense of self, hate themselves, and need to orient their sense of self around how they want others to see them), and they'll see INTJs as the cool, special type to be (or INFJs if they want to use the whole "I'm an empath!" shtick, which is very common, narcs do often tell everyone how "empathetic" they are) like "I'm dark and edgy and totally a sociopath! That means I'm INTJ! Aren't I such a genius!?" From my own observations in my personal life, most narcs I've encountered have been ESFJ, ISFJ, and the SP types. This isn't necessarily because there's something wrong with those types, it's because most people are those types so I'd say most narcs are likely to be those types too.

One of the better videos I'v seen on Ni. Good job. One of the things you said in the end reminded me how every time my higher Se friends got into a "deep conversation", it always felt somehow childlike to me, I instantly sensed as if they are inexperienced in having "deep thought" and they somehow seemed to be so proud of it as if doing something they don't do much, while I had to sit there and pretend that I find their insights impressive not to hurt their feelings, but to me it all felt like obvious stuff I thought through in child years already. Since the "deep thought" is just the basic Tuesday morning for dom Ni, I kind of have to hold back in situations like these and play dumb, not to sound like I just got the answers to everything. When others have a deep convo, there really is just this sense of being a parent to children, and not wanting to interfere.

I'm so happy to have found your channel. You are probably the most real INTJ I've found on youtube- what I mean is, you aren't going out of your way to act out the ridiculous stereotypes of an INTJ. You're authentic. I greatly appreciate what you had to say all throughout this video, especially at the end. You've gained a female INTJ subscriber 👍🏻 Looking forward to listening to the rest of your content!

Made it to your end rant - laughing at the planning part! Thank you for sharing this video. Learned a lot about the noticeable differences between Ne + Ni. Great examples throughout!

Schrodinger's bike seat. You don't know if it's there or not until you sit.

“Ni doms have been prepping our entire lives to have enough information that we can fix a problem without having to engage in the sensory world in order to collect more information about it” 🤯 Get out of my head 😂😂

Great video as always. I noticed too certain MBTI contents creators mistyping people, and the money, views, subscribers, likes they got by spreading wrong informations, and using methods which lead to wrong results (methods which for me stay in surface) or sell online course which are just informations we already share for free. INTJ, we know it, we know a lot of things, but more often we say nothing. Trying to detach, let go, and focusing on ourselves, even if inside we feel the urge to correct & solve everything. The day I was sure about my type, by connecting my memories (Ni does an amazing job to understand traumas) : I just cried, because it was so true that I didn't expressed emotions. It hurt me to know I was Fe blind, but also happy to have Te. Being an INTJ is more a traumatic, soul breaking, frustrating experiences. Being so deep is loosing people, is feeling lonely on this planet is probably the worst feeling. Feeling we have not our place in this world, or that we have to completely rebuild/improve it, having to correct the wrong informations and solve all the problems. Sometimes I just want to throw my brain and have another, because it's a suffering, even if it's also amazing. Thanks to you to correct that intuition is not a hunch, and that there is no relation between a vaccine and Autism (I am Asperger and passionate by this topic) Se dom almost created problems about me and another INTJ because of their wrong associations of informations. One assuming we were together, another assuming that I move to another city (one of the reasons why we share few about ourselves, we are sure people will not spread misinformation about us) Sometimes I even lost INTJ enneagram 8, because I (enneagram 5) go deeper than them. In these moments, I felt so sad and lonely, that I can't completely connect with other INTJ. I felt that uniqueness, that I am. "We see things that are important in systems that other people can't see." It's so true. I loved the way you talk about bushes, it bring magic. And I love geometry. The ultime "test" to know if someone is INTJ or not, is the ENFP detection : they notice us in a flash. They are attracted to us like magnet. Our authenticity attract them. We also recognize each others. We see ourselves in their way of thinking and behaving. We can't miss the Ni stare. So yes our own interpretation and understanding, and level of depth, at the point we lost people on the way, and come back to the loneliness feeling. I once got judged because I didn't use a specific model and bring my own understanding (Sorry it's Ni) My favorite contents are the one made by INTJ, and sometimes INFJ ENTP, who bring new, deep, authentic, unique ideas/topics that no one ever made before, who think by themselves. (and who don't copy paste informations/text found on internet and make automatic video on it) It's so refreshing, and entertaining to listen the own understanding of others, their unique way. If someone want to be an INTJ, I hope they are ready to suffer and to be able to handle it (they will probably not survive more than 24 hours)

Thanks for telling the truth about the difficulties I encounter with people I love. Not being able to fully share what you know or really be understood can be one of the loneliest feelings.

I have worked with an ESFP running exhibition organizer before. Tho I admired her energy and creativity, she drove me insane with the lack of understanding of the consequences of her actions and decisions later. And the lack of considerations. I forgot how I got an idea to change our pages of proposal into one page of brochure. That was brilliant idea that later adopted by other organizer companies. But what pissed me off she just cut the brochures only to part that benefited her work and neglected the other part. I mean it didn't cross her mind we not only needed to sell the booths but we also needed to make sure visitors come to our expo. So I got mad because then we needed to work twice as hard. As for the video whatever intj content creators whatever you just said, I don't understand the mbti community politic tbh. So no comment on that. But unless I can or think I can apply what they say irl, i rarely watch. It's always same things anyway. I do notice this trend in quora tho. Ppl just point fingers at one another "you're not NJ type". I mean how we call ourself as Ni person if we just randomly accuse that based on 1 question or 1 answer without considering other factors like maybe they are INJ type but is in a loop, maybe they have mental illness or personality disorders, etc. And also being one seems to bring no profit anyway. So yeah I don't understand that. I did have problem with a quora space after I asked a question. Dude got over dramatically up set and called me lotsa stuffs for trying to open a valid discussion. Even banned few members who disagreed with his attitude. The name callings and banning didn't bother me at all coz I got that a lot. But I wonder one thing, how are we growing as intellectual beings if we don't allow healthy discussion? Where is that famous analytical mind and eager to learn of an INTJ if we refuse to exchange point of views? Sorry I am rambling.

Thank you for clarifying!! Ni preps with information collection pre-event in order to make sense of things when something happens! I'm incessantly collecting information, (reading books, tracking news online from global sources) but am chaotically disorganized on my desk and in my closets... Those who say "But masterminds are never so disorganized, and they control us with their master plans" really mis-reads me: my plans don't get made until the problem occurs, I make sense of it, and vet several alternative paths of action before saying anything. The main benefit of the MBTI should be, we all think and express emotion differently.

I love the bike analogy! You're so good at explaining things! Thanks for another great video❤

I agreed. I'm excellent at understanding how others feel except my own feelings. I have expressed this to my INFP sister. She knows what she feels but may deny it. I can neither deny nor confirm how I feel. That's why I'm usually a neutral person and only explode when pushed to the limit.

Great analogy! I am constantly floored by people who can be so utterly certain about... well anything. And then if I ask someone if they've looked at a certain topic from this or that other perspective and they react as if that's the most absurd thing they've ever heard. It's just mind -boggling to me. The down side is that it can be really hard to decide that the information you have is sufficient to move forward with a decision. It never feels like enough.

I'm now so used to people thinking I'm dumb enough not to understand a lot of things since I question why to arrive at conclusion .

There’s a sing word line in a song by a Korean band called Dreamcatcher: “Survive… survive…” It’s the one thing only another INFJ would understand

Thank you for debunking the myth that real INTJ like conspiracy theories. That one has irked me for a long time

This has to be one of the best NI video's out there. I guess what makes it so great is; not only does the video explain NI super well but of course is itself an example of Jon's strong NI. Jon identified problems in the INTJ/INFJ videos and online MBTI community broadly and used his NI to carefully craft a video that narrowed down the problem. He included a few reasoned and logical explanations to help account for why people are shoe horning themselves into NI dom personality types and then even offered some great solutions. Next Level!

That "How?" at 17:00 killed me 😆 As an INFJ, you've given me a lot of data points here to get closer to fully understanding how to describe Ni and differentiate Ni from other functions. The descriptions of Ni at parent/child spots was especially helpful too. Thank you!

I loved the final rant🔥

No INTJ wants to be INTJ, being an alien in a human society sucks.

It’s crazy to me to see what I didn’t know what to call my way of problem solving being explained to me so clearly. This video was so interesting and explained exactly what I do on a daily basis to me, I loved it

This is spot on. I had to pause the video to write this comment - the mutual understanding between ni dom personalities with regards to the essence of a topic, how we demonstrate the same underlying issue with different examples that just seem random to non ni users. You can spot a fellow ni dom (and a non ni dom) by having a conversation regarding something of depth, like meeting a new person through work and discussing work related topics. With fellow INTJs & INFJs, there is less frustration because we know when the other person has started to lose interest/getting tired without having to confirm it. Their train of thought will just be self explanatory.

The logic on your channel makes me so happy.

He rants like an INTJ😂 I love it! When it's a topic I'm particular about, I'm all Ni and F(e or i) over that thing like a female dog. I have a visceral reaction to what I consider willful, destructive ignorance. Like be dumb, but please don't spread your stupidity. And on credit, true! I find it manipulative to take credit for something I didn't put effort in. Folks think I'm humble...😆Couldn't be more untrue! Thanks for speaking my mind so easily dude! Yeah, I rambled. 🤣🤣🤣

I would also say that another way to spot an Ni-dom is if they seem like they have more to say but decide to hold back. I think (at least for intjs like myself) that we are still able to see Fe in a very foggy state swirling around a social situation, and that's why we might hold back our Ni from a conversation. We would rather wait until an opportune time to explain our thoughts rather than being constantly shut down by other people because of the irrelevance and timeliness of our thought processes (I hate trickster Fe) Basically, if they usually go in depth but sometimes look uncomfortable about a topic that you know they could explain a lot about, then Ni might be trying to show itself

I actually detest planning and generally avoid doing it. Actually, that's not completely true. I dislike the conventional method of planning: calendars, reminders, certain times to do certain things. Too many details. Plans made in such a strict way lead to disappointment when things go awry. Better to have a general guideline and wing things if need be. Or, I guess we could call those "contingency plans".

I really like your explanation! Also, those with 3rd slot Ni are Ne blind so they dont care about possible options, that is why their Ni is stubborn and want to conclude one thing and when people ask them how or why, they just can't. If people ask them to do fun Ne ideas kind of activity, they struggle and instead will be shooting their Ni on it.

About planning: there are 2 running gags regarding my person. First is that I can be spontaneous, I just have to plan for that. Second is that I often say to people that I don't even go to toilet without planning it earlier. Edit: I agree with your statement about being lonely. This is a horrible feeling and although I''m at peace with that I might not be able to find someone I'm not going to resign without trying to do something about it.

Thank you for sharing this informative video regarding introverted intuition. I also agree Ni-dom conclusions are not based on a hunch, where several sources have claimed it to be. It's like what you were saying earlier in the video about it being our natural state. It's right in front us yet we sometimes fail to acknowledge it. How can we acknowledge something as a hunch when it's something we depend on yet not fully understand ourselves? We sift and sort it all internally to reach the so-called "hunch". Yet the "hunch" is only as accurate as the accumulation of information pivotal to understanding the issue at hand. This may just be me but Ni conclusion isn't a mere thought. It is rather a thought among other internal thoughts to reign supreme but not from a narcissistic point of view. It is still open to both like-minded or different opinions when shared with the outside world. I liked the last bit also. It's sad that people are taking advantage of what's available to make a profit for themselves. Rather than going through the process to type themselves correctly, they not only stunt their own growth but also the personal growth of individuals interested in understanding themselves. I totally agree while the information about MBTI is now is more widely known, it's also saturated in more ways than one and not in a good way. Having to filter through the pool of information mixed with misinformation populated by stereotypes makes the process of understanding oneself more difficult. I have not watched any of the "bad egg" INTJ content creators, but from how you said it I would say they meant those terms from a place of being above others hence they are alone and misunderstood. Last but not least, I related pretty hard with not leaving my sanctuary unless necessary.

I am fascinated by conspiracy theories and how people get hooked by them. They see a small piece of the puzzle and think they have it all figured out. They then make up the missing pieces without realizing how incongruous they are. More often than not, they think a small cabal is controlling everything without anyone leaking any of the vital secrets. This makes people easy marks for charlatans and demagogues.

Ni always sees the path forward and sees opportunity for growth simply because it's open minded asking the right questions to understand the concept. It wants to get the most new information out of a big picture. At least that's how I understand it

Brilliant video Jon and I loved seeing the bicycle analogy and the rant at the end was 🔥 Top notch.

Bravo! Good job for calling them out! I’m a content creator too on my other channel and I’m annoyed with misinformation being spread by people who don’t care. I also hate clickbaity videos i refuse to do it. I love that your videos are exactly what it says on the tin. My partner is infj and I’m just learning about the Ni dom functions. It makes sooooo much sense because we communicate in almost another language. We make noises and use obscure references for everything based on our favourite show. I often say to him “you know anyone else watching us have this conversation will have no idea what we’re talking about”. Our Ni is communicating on our own private frequency, using all metaphors.

I'm not one to disparage someone for going on their own journey of self; who am I to judge, you know? However, I become deeply upset when information is abused or manipulated in such a way as to mischaracterize reality. I believe people have a responsibility for both what they produce and what they consume. Misinformation, or mischaracterization of information can really damage the operating environment, erode confidence and trust, and drown out genuine, informative arguments and insights. And yeah, I agree with your rant Jon, planning is a survival coping mechanism, for sure.

Also love your planning examples. I recently took a trip with my ESTP sister and I was joking with her about her blind spot to the long-term implications of things. ESTP has the reverse functions of INFJ and it was hilarious how many things she had planned kept going wrong. She has to really sit down and hyperfocus on planning every little detail weeks in advance and things still kept going wrong. I realized after I had to step in to do damage control how much better things went and I expended 1/100th of the mental effort she did but had better results. It's just not something I notice until I see how hard it is for other people.

My boyfriend is an ISTP and is always pointing out my Ni by letting me know that "I think way too much" lol. I cant help it. Its a reflex to me. Im also a turbulent INTJ and very anxiety driven.

I first got into MBTI about 7 years ago, just surface stuff. Did a couple of tests and thought I was an INTJ, I decided to do it as I function at work and how I conduct myse;lf and interact with other at work. Which didn't cover my full character. About 2 years ago I decided to test again and decided to do the test as myself, outside of work and it came back INFJ and the more I learned the more I came to realise and accept the fact, that that is what I am, it's so obvious now, way too emotional. lol Learning my type, has helped me develop as a person and not feel so weird and alone in this crazy world. Things I thought were problematic are just functions of my character. this helped me a lot and I learned to love myself for it and not get down because of it, hope that makes sense. I enjoyed your video and how you explained Ni with the bicycles. Also the end in regards to planning. I never thought of it in respect to every day things. When I think of planning, I think of a real plan, to accomplish something (what is needed to sell my house for example). I didn't realize that everything requires some planning or lets say a specific thought process. I laughed when you mentioned not leaving the house without a plan. I always put it down with not necessarily a plan but I needed a reason to leave my house. Same thing in the end I guess. And I absolutely hate leaving the house once I get home. If I forgot something, it's just going to have to wait until tomorrow. lol

You're very spot on with this video. All wannabe INTJs don't understand what it truly means to be one.

'why would we be proud of something we naturally do?' in bragging about planning, yeah feel that as an ne dom 'HEY GUYS DID YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE A SPIRALING THOUGHT PROCESS!'

My ISFP classmate uses Ni to plan what she wants to eat at Starbucks on a Friday. That is very funny. She is also very ambitious and in highschool, she wants to be a chiropracter.

"I don't plan my route to go shopping to be efficient.... I don't leave my house unless I have A PLAN"...😂😂😂😂😂 OMG I FELT THIS! Amazon Grocery is my best friend.... I don't even have to leave the house anymore 😅.

Lol 😂 dude the list of possiblity and cause of thinking that the individual is an intj was hilarious

Thank you for this. If everyone is an INTJ, then nobody is. It is rare. I think mean people just use their "INTJ" as an excuse to be mean because they HEARD that INTJ are villianous.

I think this is the best video I have seen on differentiating between Ni & Se, Ni & Ne and high Ni using types and low Ni using types. I really loved the examples as an infj. Thank you so much Jon! ✨

Why would I remember things that aren't special? Lots of reasons. 1) I need to retain information on the patterns of possibility that are most likely to happen. How am I supposed to predict the future if I don't know what the most likely and obvious outcomes are of every given action? 2) Remembering is easier than studying. I did almost no studying in my entire academic career. I just remembered it. All of it. I don't have an eidetic memory, but I do have a really good one. I remembered everything, and did as much homework as possible during school hours so that I could spend the rest of my time doing whatever I wanted. (Reading mostly, and in college, spending time with friends). 3) Not sure why INTJs aren't supposed to be into history. I have a history degree. A museum was my second home. History is all about seeing the patterns and connections in things. Once you see those patterns and connections, you can predict the present much more accurately. Though it's often frustrating when you see people making the same mistakes over and over. It's hypothesized that a lot of the American Founding Fathers were INTJs, and one of their biggest concerns in making a new government was not repeating the mistakes they could see in governments of the past. That's why they did what they did in making our own government. They did their best using data about the past to predict potential issues in the future and guard against them. Another good source for patterns, btw, is literature. Because people want to be the heroes they read about or see on the screen. This potential insight into people's desires makes it easier to anticipate their reactions and maybe give them the right little push to move them in the direction you want them to go because they want to live up to their ideal. 4) For me, personally, it's been remarked on that I, my INTJ sister, my ISFJ sister, and my ISTJ mother all have the same memory style. My sister's bridesmaid was staying with the rest of us in a very packed house for her wedding, and we were recounting some of the better stories or people we knew, and she observed that we all had the same mannerisms. I should probably point out that we don't even all get along that well. But there are such things as a family culture, and I think the same manner of storytelling was also passed on by my ISFJ grandmother. We apparently have a distinctive oral history storytelling style. We could blame it on the ISXJs, or it may go deeper than that. I'm not sure. I only know that I agreed with my sister's friend when she pointed it out, though I just thought of it as a normal storytelling style that everyone had. But my INTJ sister and I are not less INTJs for having picked up this family oral memory style and finding value in it. 5) Sometimes it's just easier to connect with dead people. it's that whole introvert thing where live people running around run down your battery. But you can go to a graveyard and be in the quiet on a walk, and when you're in the mood, read tombstones, and then try to picture the people and the time and what they were like and feel connection to the past. And you can read historical deeds of dead people and their words of wisdom or learn from their mistakes and they're not around to protest your judgments or impose on you past when you want them to stay. You've always seemed to be a particularly social INTJ, so maybe you've never felt like doing that. But sometimes I like the company of the dead. They won't stab you in the back, and if you get foolish and start romanticizing them, you can just enjoy your foolishness for a little bit and not have to worry about consequences rather than dealing with a real person where you have to redirect your thoughts to the facts and reality because misjudging them would be bad for you both. Anyway, the past is the basis for all the webs of patterns I see stretching out into the future. Everything is built on the past. Ignoring it or only looking at its extremes are going to mean your predictions are entirely unreliable because they don't account for the most mundane aspects of reality. They way you're dismissing the past, it's like saying that every time an INTJ wants to build a birdhouse, we first have to invent the saw to cut some lumber, then some sandpaper to smooth the lumber, then the nail, and then the hammer, and then finally we can build that birdhouse. And when we go to sleep and wake the next morning, we're going to have to start all over again with inventing the saw to cut some wood. That's just not a reasonable way to go about things. Re: Connection and being misunderstood. I'm not familiar with these other content creators, but I definitely agree that "being misunderstood" sucks. It sucks so much. You try to help people because you can see they're in pain and you can see what is causing them pein and you can end up being rejected. Which is insane when you consider that you would think these people would really like the things that are hurting them to stop hurting them. I mean, I'm sure there's other things they'd also like in life, but stopping the pain would be a priority, you would think. It's a lot easier to do other things after "Step 1, stop the things that are hurting me." But no. And you just have to let them be or help them in spite of themselves, and then they hate you for it. There's also just having a polite and vaguely interesting conversation with some new people because you were feeling social, and then you say one thing and suddenly they hate you because you were being genuine and gave a real reaction instead of the polite pleasantries they wanted.. And so the road closes down to making new friends. Of course, it probably wouldn't have worked out anyway, but ... And the very worst is when there's an immediate danger and people aren't listening to you. You can be as clear as saying something like "Don't step in the bear trap" and they will still step in the bear trap and you have to wonder if there's something wrong with your grasp of language because to you, you couldn't have been any clearer. That said, dude, don't start believing you're going to die alone. You've got a huge group of friend in INTJ terms, and that probably means you're on the right track to meeting the person for you just because you have a wide net of contacts from everything you've ever said here. And on the flip side, we all do die alone, locked in our own heads. If anything us Ni types have a leg up on everyone else. We're used to our own company when things are bad. Though I'm barely a year past watching my father die slowly of cancer, so the experience has left its scars on me. In the end, none of us could reach him, and he was so scared. And it was so frustrating because there was nothing to be done about it. My family did show up from him regularly. My mother barely left his side. And he was still very very alone. So I think the dying alone thing is something best sorted out some other way because it will probably happen no matter what path you go down.

Found your channel today and I'm learning about my Ni better by how other types experience it and this is good stuff. I'm an INFJ and I get so triggered when I'm talking in depth about something (and jumping around to different examples) and the people around me go it's been 5 hours can we talk about something else? For one RUDE because I let them dump their emotional garbage into me without complaining and the time compression happens of it's so rare to talk about the stuff I'm really into that once I start it feels so good. I also can't nerd out about a topic and notice how delicious my meal is. I have to stop talking and make a manual choice to switch my focus to Se.

So true, I didn't know I had Ni till I got to know I am INTJ.

16:55 I'm INTJ and I never took it. There is a lot of emerging evidence that the CV causes a range of deleterious side effects (admittedly, autism doesn't seem to be among them - more heart- and immune-related problems). It is not a conspiracy theory to criticise this substance, and we must put aside our biases to be open to emerging evidence.

Thank you so much for this. This is the dire need of the hour!

Way to go, sir! I have been using Quora a bit lately, and it is laughable and annoying at the same time to see all of the mistypes voicing their advice about INTJs to the world. It is amusing to me because it is so easy to pick out a mistype or imposter by their erroneous views and lack of understanding about the reality of being an intj. For example, one who claimed to be an intj was giving some advice to a coworker of an intj on how to control an intj as a co-worker! 🙄 that one wasn't hard to pick out.

Thank you! The only suggestion I have is to rename the video “Will the real INTJ please stand up, please stand up”. No really, great work! I hope I see more, and it encourages imposters to stop.

Ni in short, will find ‘meaning’, ‘connection’ or similar ‘concept’ from all the rambling topics. That’s the substance we try to get to. We manage to go back and forth and tie them or tighten them into one theme in our heads so that we can make the final hypothesis. We don’t lose the ‘string’ that connects. All the jumping from topic to topic are just scenarios and patterns that we have to express and organise as we are trying to make sense. Without these patterns we can’t operate because it feels like we can’t make accurate predictions. We use all the stored data in our heads. Sometimes we can’t explain these patterns in full, but know they are there, hence the ‘intuition’.

True Ni doms can always tell the imposters. I am an infj and only recently met an intj and now I know that you can’t fake being an Ni dom to another Ni dom. Love the knowledge you provided though

Perfect video, I am so happy that you made and posted this one, I know you HAD to stop the bulshit content creators who are hurting poeple and are not competent at it. Please stop apologizing and being so full of precautions (I know it honors you but as an Intj it’s almost not normal 😂). Personally NI FI and SE validated the full video 200% at first watching. TE made me watch again and again before validating😅… go on bro you are on the right path.

I’ve been mistyped by content creators as an INTJ but I know I’m an INFJ. It’s frustrating because people think INFJs can’t appear cold and detached even though we have Fe. The nature of Ni in tandem with Ti is cold and detached. Further, we don’t always feel comfortable sharing our complete Ni-selves with others and IF we’ve gone through a lot of crazy experiences attracting other strange people, we will learn to reign in that Fe. In addition, I prefer to refer to my conclusions and “predictions” as hypothesis. It’s more accurate. I completely agree with you that the lower Ni is on the stack, the more someone is likely to be a conspiracist (I see this as a haphazard use of Ni). I’m thinking unhealthy ESTPs. I had a schizoaffective ESTP dad so I developed strong Ni in a way that worked around him and I hid a lot out of fear. So far, the only type I think understands Ni-doms the most are INTPs and ENTPs. My INTP bf was the one who told me my Ni likely developed in order to fill in gaps around my parents lack of sense and reliable information. My parents were very charismatic people which also helped me to develop Fe. Friends were always so surprised at the way our parents treated my siblings and I behind closed doors. Btw, I have an ESFJ mom, ESTP dad, and I think my sisters are ESFP and ENTJ… I’m on the fence with my ESFP sister (possibly an INFP/ISFP) because she’s endured the most trauma so it’s not as clear. I also have the most conflict with her and was the most at odds or kept the biggest distance from my dad. My ex-husband is an ISTP and he really didn’t get Ni. Also, not a huge fan of Joyce Meng for obvious reasons. Thanks for sharing rich and accurate information representing us honestly. And YES! TWO OPPOSING TRUTHS CAN BOTH ME TRUE OR UNTRUE AT THE SAME TIME! THANK YOU!!! Yes! We must know why other options are invalid to know what is the true valid option. This is so last par of your video felt passionate and true and I felt the same way every time I got mistyped which is why I made it my mission to prove them all contradictory (low key of course because I fear persecution lol). The first content creator who guessed my correct type left me feeling cathartic and “adjusted” within myself after everyone who guessed wrong.

Your explanation is so on point. One of the way I got my Ni practiced is by finding stuff for my mom everyday. She's very likely an ESTP. She only tunneled vision into some of her sensory inputs and thought that the options she saw are the only one. The reasons I could find her stuff so quickly most of the time, even when I had been away from home for half a year, is because I naturally come up with more options and scenarios outside of what she recalled then narrow them down till I find her stuff. If all the options I came up with didn't work, coming up with more options and seeking more inputs to fact check is my instictive process while she still only revels in the few options she came up with. 😅

So glad you made this video!

If someone opens up describing their personality like "I'm INFJ which is one of the rarest types!" I immediately know they're not INFJ. Yes, on a certain level it's cool to know that your personality type is very uncommon. But that's also what makes it so horrible most of the time. It wasn't until I met my bf, an INTJ, where I FINALLY was able to communicate with someone in my most natural and carefree state, and knowing he understands what I'm saying and the why and how. I don't feel like I have to stop every few seconds and explain myself like I do with everyone else in my life cause they have no idea what I'm saying anymore. That shit is incredibly debilitating. Not having people who can TRULY understand you on a fundamental level is extremely lonely and it's not something I'd wish on anyone. So it's really weird that people wanna be "mysterious" or whatever other stereotype exists about INFJs and INTJs. My bf also has issues with people understanding him and they usually just write him off as being an asshole when he couldn't be further from that. But it seems like in the same way he's the only one who understands me in my life, I'm the only one who understands him in his. These people have no idea how awful that is to deal with.

The way I've always thought of MBTI is that it's like an algorithm for the program of personality. It isn't what the personality actually is, when embedded in the social simulacrum, but it does illustrate an outline of the same. In the case of INTJ, I think of their dom. Ni as a self-enclosed sys. of memes (i.e., opinions, beliefs, preferences, etc.) uniquely retrofitted to their aux. Te, so that the material world becomes a scaffolding to be moulded to the shape of the ideal(istic) world.

Finally confirmed 😂, that's what they call it diay hahahaha, been using Ni since early days .

Ni doms don’t simply conclude something without knowing other perspectives. They also make sure what they conclude is correct and accurate. That reminds me of a content creator who I think is a fake Ni dom. she made a video about differences between istp and intj. Somewhere in the video, she says: istp wear comfortable clothing and intj only wear black. (It does sound like a stereotype to me). She then didn’t explain why she thinks that way (I can’t really remember exactly what she said, I think). I think she is very confident in her conclusion and added that in the video. It’s quite a big channel I think.

The premise of this video makes me laugh. I also don't understand why anybody would want to pretend to be an INTJ. I'm an INTJ and my competences are basically min-maxed: I love to analyse. It just comes naturally. But the thing is, the stuff that I've really spent years and decades researching and thinking over, once the "solution" comes, it becomes "obvious", like a game of connect-the-dots after the dots are connected. And I don't know about you, but eventually I start to feel stupid for stating the obvious, so I don't bother talking about them most of the time. Also, as I said I'm min-maxed. One of my min parts is social competence. Two of my colleagues sitting right across me were engaged in a cold war, and I didn't even notice until each of them, plus one of my superiors, individually came to talk to me to ask for my opinion. Plus, my favourite thing to do during a party is to hide in the bathroom. In my case, though this is not necessarily an INTJ thing, my memory is also terrible, or should I say my memory filter is too strong, I can't remember any daily trivia... Did I mention that I was stuck in a NiFi loop for my entire childhood? Ef that. On the bright side, I've also resolved all my existential questions thanks to being stuck in there so long.

I love the Kobe and Shaq - d league comparison😂

I am subcribing… I notice how many took that short version of the test that is not comparable to the original test. Overgeneralization sucks

Thank you for making these videos. I really do appreciate it. THANK YOU.

This video helped me alot. Thank you from my deepest heart!

For me being Ni dominant (INFJ) was a curse in school with multiple choice questions.

I don't need to guess, I know I'm INTJ, having taken these tests at various employers over the past 40 years. There was also some red-blue-green-yellow test I can't remember the name of, and yes, I ended up as a green all by myself while most everyone else was in another color with a group. Anyway, the department managers or whoever would have their people take these tests, then do absolutely nothing with the results because they're just managers or glorified managers, not necessarily smart enough to figure out how to implement personalized employee strategies. I think they were just relieved that most of their people were just controllable working slugs and they could check off a "team building" box on their own performance reviews.

This was the most helpful video I've ever seen in understanding what Ni dom experience is like! I have been mistyped as an INFJ 3 different times, by 3 different people in type consultations, likely for exactly the reasons you listed here. INFJ has not quite felt right, and those closest to me have told me that it cannot possibly be accurate based on how they know me, but apparently I look like the stereotype of an INFJ. The problem is, I don't think like one. In all of the examples you gave - and huge applause for the examples here, seriously, almost NO ONE explains Ni using examples - I naturally went the Ne route without exception (go figure, I'm actually an INTP). But discerning the difference between Ni and NeSi based on ambiguous descriptions and stereotypes is really difficult. It never occurred to me to determine which bikes were good to ride or not ride, for example, my first thought was to go down the path of what would have to change to make the non working bikes usable, and what potential items might be used in place of the traditionally used parts (sticks for handles, could a wheel barrow be attached to the front in place of wheels, or a large shovel for winter, as a way to move snow, or a large roller or ball)? You have made the difference between Ni possibilities and Ne possibilities really clear as well, whether you meant to or not. Thanks a lot for this, it was so good! Your content is really clarifying.

Great video as always!

Its not obvious for us, that we plan all the time. I even got tested as ISTJ because I answered questions like "I plan everything in detail beforehand" with no. Only through MBTI I got aware, that I really do think about stuff before doing anything. (and I feel very stressed, if I have to react spontaneously without thinking it through)

Superb content Jon esp. the final comment on the pride of isolation. Isolation is detrimental. MBTI is a tool for personal growth and the target is to evolve and as much as possible, challenge self-limiting beliefs. I also dislike this, 'that's just my personality, deal with it,' attitude. MBTI has propelled me to further self-acceptance, compassion and tolerance that I extend to other types as well. "Much of what we call personality is not a fixed set of traits, only coping mechanisms a person acquired in childhood." -Dr. Gabor Maté - As growing adults, we have the ability to have a more expansive personality over time. MBTI has a lot to give in a way that it allows you to appreciate who you are while empowering you to strive to become better. Isn't that what Personal development is all about? Also, the ENNEAGRAM integration into MBTI is interesting! What do you think? Thank so much Jon! More power to you, Mr. Accuracy !👑

Great Video Again 🥰 25:00 This is why me intj always kicked by groupchat. Deeptalk as intj breath but people dont give moretime for conclusion . Btw intp who kicked me 😂

Well I was the most difficult to understand and yeah even my parents never understood me , that's why I never told them what do I think on any topic cuz whenever I did , it ended in a clash or people thinks I am crazy but except them , people are attracted to me for my deep understanding on multiple things and direct approach to the peoples who are wrong . I mean I am a bit bad at relationships even if I tried everything to hold onto , but if they aren't connected to me they feel i am someone gifted. Bro I am really alone but my brother is also an INTJ . We both have massive goals , exactly same goal , we both are working together on that goal . No one knows about our ambitions and goals cuz ik they will never understand. Yeah it's lonely to be an INTJ , wherever you see inside yourself , you will see darkness and emptiness. But I never let my darkness take control cuz I know I don't wanna be a bad person . My type is INTJ 1w9 sx1 tritype - 145 .

Thank you for adressing the misinformation❤ Using your bike analogy: Question: Which bike is useful? Ni vision: analize discard and pick based on data (Se provided or Te provided) Ne vision: what if I choose X thing instead of a bike? 😂 Ni is deep and loves symbolism too. You are right, being misunderstood is crippling because it is something u can't control and to a "mastermind type" is a way to be "defenless". That is y I searched about personality and found mbti. Like: wth is wrong with me? Why I can't connect with people I love? I don't care about people I don't know, but why I was hurting unknowingly to the ones that I love? So that has been the journey. And yes.I don't fully typist either because of that. I hope health and wealth for you and your family

This was a fire video good explanation that basketball analogy is definitely going to hurt some feelings tho😂 but its true

the more I learn cognitive function the more I find some mbti creators sus

I used to get INTJ, but now I get INFJ. It's not an achievement; it's just what the test results give me.

I hate the mastermind title for the exactly same reasons. But I don’t like us being called architects either. We do not just plan, we also build. We focus, we target, we resolve, we come with plans B,C and D to achieve the goal and cover all exits. I feel like we are some kind of “Problem solver with vision and contingency plan”. Is there a single word for it?

As an Enfp introverted intuition fascinates me. I’ve been studying mbti for 8 years and I still don’t fully understand it

Thank you for a clearly thought out, concise, and cogent video. I am new to the world of MBTI, and your video helped me understand some of the information made so confusing by other presenters. I look forward to engaging with your other vids. I can follow how you present information and easily understand the points you are making. When some others present info, it just sounds like so much word salad.

It would be more beneficial if MBTI content creators use themselves to break down their thought process. Show and not tell. Someone could literally read a news article out loud that you haven't seen before and think outloud. Ni users should not have any issue showing how we take broad concepts and apply it to new information to break it down and form logical conclusions. I would personally want an Ne user do this just to hear how off the wall their metaphors can get.

The way I have recognized it is probably offensive to some people, but I noticed quite a few similarities between INTJ and the symptoms of high functioning autism. (Keep in mind that I'm INTJ) Not understanding or expressing emotions properly. Always wanted a best friend but never had one. Noticing the tiny details that most people skipped. Being overly stimulated by sudden loud noises. Repetitive behavior. Hate eye contact. Unaware of or not knowing how to handle other people's emotions. Taking things literally. Being blunt. Need routine and order. Hate small talk. Prefer to text or email versus call someone. I get that not everyone is the same and just like autism, not every INTJ has these features. But I also think that if you compare it to autism over the "Mastermind", it takes the coolness out of it and people are less likely to claim something that is stereotypically a hindrance over a glorified title. Granted I could just in fact be autistic but I think if you can't acknowledge the similarities, you probably are not actually INTJ. Data has no bias and an INTJ is aware of that. My son is diagnosed autistic and a high school honor student interested in working with robotics. I'm a correctional officer that turns keys and follows a very loose schedule. I would consider him the Mastermind between the two of us. But personality wise, he is very close to me in structure, routine, planning, habits, and personal interactions. The only difference is his anxiety is severe and crippling while I can be scared shitless, have a stone cold expression, and still do whatever I need to do regardless. But it definitely needs to be addressed that INTJ should not be glorified because of its rarity or titles. It does in fact have downsides that make you sit in a dark room alone wondering why you are the way you are some nights. It's not walking around thinking you are Lex Luther and Tony Stark's brain child with Batman as an emotional support animal.

You really need those video dividers that divide, time and label different topics into clickable sections within your video.

This is some classic INTJ stuff. Trying to go super indepth so noone can possibly missunderstand you but end up rambling what is seemingly total nonsense to most people.

You have so many INFJ viewers now that you need INFJ content lol.

I don’t think that the bush to boat comparison is as bad as implied. There are tons of different species of plants that could be classified as “bushes”, and each has its own needs and survival adaptations, and they even can have different uses.

Have you ever had people call you a psychic ? because Ni doms can forecast they know how their future unfolds also NI doms can pick up on some one's intentions just curious .

🤷‍♂ idk in MBTI I always test IXTP on every test including the official one. In comparison to most people I seem to enjoy philosophy quite a lot and constantly think about abstract topics, come up with my own ideas and perspectives. This seems to annoy people who just want to enjoy life. In socionics tho I was told I'm LSI because I'm deliberate and don't shy from conflict or asserting myself in opposition.. kinda skeptical about that tho. In Enneagram I'm a self preservation 5 in terms of core motivation.

That's why you so smart in complex formula but, can't even navigate through the city.