Doctor and River | Goodbye 

Wolfania she is my favorite of all favorites. I’ve actually never thought about it from her perspective before tho. It’s actually devastating.

It shouldn't break your heart, because it's not as if he forgot, the timelines are just out of sync. It's actually quite beautiful how the man you love and married wants to get to know you better. You know those people who wish they could go back and relive those first moments? She got that.

Sam Flynn she didn’t relive those first moment though! From her perspective it just feels like they’ve forgotten you. And sure, she knows that not true. Sure, you get to know about him when he doesn’t know you. But do you realise. Can you understand? She said he didn’t love her. She believed it completely. She doesn’t think that it hurts for him, because it can’t. Because if it hurts him, worlds will suffer. She is the knight. The one who must die to keep the king safe. She doesn’t even consider her on the same level as him. She’s no queen. Not in her mind. Whether that’s true or not doesn’t matter. It’s how she feels and it kills her. But she can never confide in anyone because no one is there to listen and if they are they are never around for Long.

@@samflynn97 Yeah, but it still hurts. When they look at you like everyone else, or with suspicion and anger. It's like they don't really see you. They don't know you. I mean, yeah, logically you get it, but it still hurts.

In a sense it must be like an analogy of watching a lover slowly disintegrate from Alzheimer's. It's devastating but it doesn't mean that you love them less. Doesn't even mean that they love you less- just that you are burdened with doing all the remembering. On the other hand, she did enjoy teasing him (she always had the upperhand of foreknowledge), & she already knew that he forgave her for killing him. And she absolutely knew that if she called, he would be there. It is actually hard to make the case that she never believed/knew that he loved her- especially after he told her his name & married her. Unless it was a kind of willful blindness. She was angry that he used a regeneration to heal her hand- & although the case could be made that he felt guilty for causing the pain & after all it was HER regen energy that he used- he still gave up a LIFE to heal a scratch. Talk about throwing your coat over a puddle! That is more than Chivalry demands. The only reason her denial works for the Christmas special is because she doesn't recognize him. She doesn't recognize him because she is not looking for him because she doesn't know he has any regen left. She must think that all that is left of The Doctor is his past selves in the current universe. That also explains why she has not sought him out for however many years. It also fits the tone of his greeting when he recognizes her on the gangplank- his voice is boisterous but more like greeting a casual drinking buddy than a long-lost beloved wife. (It was the only thing I found out of place in Capaldi's performance.) In the first minutes he protects & shields her in a way that speaks of long acquaintance but she doesn't catch on. (He is positively savage when he yells, "you won't touch her!" But even before a few minutes of watching him tease her in an effort to make her recognize him- it was obvious that he cared deeply when he looked at her in the snow. In fact, that could be said to be the moment that he realizes that their timelines have synced up. It is the Crossroads. For the first time his present is her present, she does not have foreknowledge. In fact the whole episode is her being oblivious & him finally realizing that she was a person who needed the words as well as the actions. But the audience is never in any real doubt that he loves her. The Doctor also must never have questioned that she knew- since she always had foreknowledge of their relationship before he did. Since he told her whatever undisclosed secret brought her to the realization that SHE was River Song. EVERYTHING he does is predicated on the idea that she knows. Which means that, for him, every single, "I hate you." "No you don't." is 'I love you.' & 'I love you too.' That level of miscommunication would make anyone sad who spent as much time & adventures together as the previous Doctors & River did- to the point where if she truly DIDN'T KNOW- then shame on her. The only time that claim would be valid is when she meets the 10th Doctor. He actually didn't love her because that had just met, but within seconds they are each aware of who the other is & why this is important.

Timeturner - River's story was just brilliant screenplay writing. And knowing about it, for years befor it finally fully unfolded must have been one of those times, when being an actress is even more spectacular.

Remember when she dies in the library and we didn‘t knew this all?

Saying goodbye to her is the first thing we did. 😞

and we didn't even know we loved her when we had to say goodbye :(

RIVER IS MY FAVOURITE DOCTOR WHO CHARACTER AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE MY MIND!!! ONE MORE THING I WANT HER AND THE NEW DOCTOR TO MEET! BECAUSE I NEED HER BACK OK!

Never let him see the damage

Except the Doctor and River were never married.

@@gaynor1721 um but- No?

@@gaynor1721 yes they were

Gaynor have you been watching the same show?

@@ahnyoonjin2720 Um, but yes!

Imagine having that burden on you your whole life

Remember she never actually dies. The 10th doctor put her into the Library to save her. And that’s where she is.

@@katykat9327 Well, Spoilers ahead She later dies for real just before the doctor enters his own time stream.

Alex Kingston wrote a River Song book FYI.

He not only knew that she'd die, but that their love is exactly what kills her in the end... That's even worse.

I think his moment of realization of that (because he was joking throughout) was when she's going on her tirade, he's trying to get her attention and finally goes "Hello sweetie "

I mean, she's still there, in the database.

@@Phos67 she isn’t in the data base anymore. She moved on after saying goodbye to 11 before he went into his time stream. She was suppose to fade away/disappear/be erased a long time ago but was too stubborn to go without seeing the Doctor one last time for a goodbye. (It explains in that episode) her fading away is her finally moving onto the afterlife. At least how I see it.

we're all sooooo sad at least it's together

Me; I'm not tearing up there's something in my eye Sans: *what's in your eye? Me: T E A R S

I think the Doctor meant "I love you" in the Darrillium when he said to River "no one else on this ship is worth you."

@@tuuli4002 also the "there's always a song" quote, he made a whole analogy with the towers saying they went through so much and ppl couldn't expect it to love anything back bc of it but always when it (he) least expected and needed the most there's a (river) song. it must be my favorite way he ever told someone he loved them

100% same for me. I'll never forget that moment. Plus with the Towers soundtrack... simply masterful@@brunaeduarda3926

The Dorilium Dilemma

I don't think he had the towers built for her, they were already there. He just told the man that it would be a good idea to build a restaurant and viewing area to listen to them.

But as River says to Amy, "Never let them see the damage."

Its like loving the stars themselves. You dont expect the sunset to admire you back!

But finally she meets the Doctor in a time they both know each other. He gives her 24 years then. More than she ever thought or expected to get from him. And he finally tells/shows her how much he loves her with that action alone.

Your so right and we’ll never have another Great Doctor and team of writers again. The new writers and the she who just isn’t cutting it….

nathan mckenzie do you mean... Ms Frizzle?

nathan mckenzie she got one :) well it’s an audio....

Somehow I wish she never gets one, because her story is just perfect as it is...

Giving her a spin off would break all the mystery this character has. This is what I think.🤔

She has an audio series of sorts. The Diary of River Song. I don't think it'd be ending any time soon.

As much as I love Love LOVE David Tennant (who completely replaced my first Doctor, Tom Baker; as great as Baker was); Matt Smith is an AMAZING actor! He played the Doctor SO perfectly, and nowhere better than the "I always hear you" scene... SO expressive ... so heartbroken and heartbreaking... (My husband's death at 60 is all wrapped around River Song and Doctor Who in my heart and mind and life -- when he died, I was watching Silence in the Library for the ... I dunno, one-hundredth time... All the River scripts catch that ... old, lost love, losing love, grieving, ... even as funny as they can be... it's all in there.) This video was wonderful.

Thank you!

Wasn't she also the young girl that lived in the Silence-infested orphanage in Day of the Moon, which would also make her the young girl trapped in the spacesuit in both episodes of that two-parter?

Wait? How after the Silence in the library?

FreshX she wasn’t physically alive in the name of the doctor

@@asherpikesgoldenmoralcinem5770 how? Edit: i know but how was she present there if she wasnt alive

FreshX technically she’s not dead, in the library she was uploaded onto a databank so technically she is just information wandering around ya know. But not physical, I guess over time she found a way to travel or something, I mean she woudnt just sit in the library she would find a way off the planet-even though she was saved as simple info to a hardrive in the library, info can be moved. (That’s my theory) so somehow she ended up in name of the doctor. Not physically alive but as info, and no one else could see her but the doctor and that’s cause she wasn’t even there she was just info.

I just don't see the chemistry between these two, which is sad considering it is a huge part of the 11th doctors rein. I love both of these characters individually but it feels wrong to see them in a romantic capacity, just because you don't see the build up of the relationship (in my opinion) and we are pushed straight into them being a married couple sort of vibe with no proof of their time spent together. Basically their relationship could've been written much better or we could have at least ad an episode or more with just the two of them (11th doctor & river).

@@jessiea893 honest, in my opinion of course, I really felt the relationship between River and 11th a lot. I think they are amazing together

@@dayuerrr7113 good for you! I wish I could but theres no harm I wishing it was better written as it means it would've been even better for all the hardcore shippers to see episodes of just the two!

@@jessiea893 you got to realize the point of doctor who isn't to mainly revolve on rom com like with rose and 10th doctor. That was a big part of why i didnt like 10th. The script for the other parts were amazing, David's acting was amazing, and so were the other companions. I like that river and the doctor romance wasnt the main point of the seasons. I see it differently and i do admit 11th had bad episodes too. There are rose and 10th doctor shippers and there are river and 11th plus 12th shippers. Rose wouldnt work with 11th and 12th at all but river for me worked with 10th, 11th, and 12th. Depending on the timeline of river growing she worked better with 11th on 50% and 50% for 12th.

@@sushiluvrluvzme but whatever was between between rose & 10 was never the main part of the series/ revolved around a rom com. Of course it was in there and hinted at but nothing was explicit, until doomsday and even then it was showing two people who were incredibly close being separated which works in creating an emotional exit for rose. Also just a comparison, the whole river and doctor relationship was completely a rom com and so overtly obvious like you have more 'relationship' moments between river & the doctor than you ever do between rose & the doctor! My point is that I feel more attached to rose & 10 because you actually saw them travel together whereas with river and the doctor we were meant to believe they're married and have this deep connection clearly suggesting something much more serious than rose & the doctor but yet we barely see them together! We were always told of their adventures together but never got to see them... why?

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Nothing but 100% facts

Sorry for your lost. I feel the same way like you. D Dr kept me safe in times of need.

Sorry for your loss. I lost my mum unexpectedly. I now have her Dr who dvds. I watch them to try and forget the pain.

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Sorry for your lost 😔

I'm sorry for your lost. I'm glad the Doctor was able to help you in some ways. I feel the same way when in my most depressive moments. 11th Doctor, SJ, and music helped me cope.

the storyline has been wrapped up. which is good. but bad

Thank you!

+ShadowHunter so was Clara's but they kept bringing her back

Shayla Nash they brought her back once. What do you mean?

ismael1235100 I really want her to be in JUST ONE of Jodie’s episodes! I would live for it!

Daisy Huxley Yes, when I first heard him say that in the episode, it bought so many emotions and feels

Galifreyans are sterile thanks to a curse.

@@carlacristina5613 But how much of that is being incorporated in the current series?

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"Clara, I'm not your boyfriend." "Yes, I-I know.." "Good." **visible pain**

@@monsieur_cheese that's not what happened

Clara is the not the Doctor's girlfriends. Rose and River are the only canon love interests of the Doctor and River is the Doctor's only canon relationship/marriage. Clara was his friend, platonic love can be just as deep as romantic love but they're not the same.

@@thedoctor6583 Hun it's not that big of a deal, it's true she's not is girlfriend but that doesn't mean they didn't have romantic feelings for each other. The Doctor wouldn't let that happen (be in a relationship) after Rose. Even with River it wasn't conventionally romantic. There is no question that The Doctor loved Clara equally to Rose and River, he even became obsessed with her by the end. They were very flirtatious with each other too (going both ways) which didn't happen with other companions.

I'm curious, what series did you start watching from?

@@thejintymyster6396 i watched all river episodes. And the started with series 1

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MichelaA Exactly! You come here with your heart intact and leave with it shattered in a million pieces

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Alice Dubois they are favorite couple as well .anyway I hope that river song return one day and then I hope that river song get pregnant with doctor who baby because they are soulmate / true love ?

Alice Piccardo Big Finish have River adventures, if you're into audio books

@Alice Piccardo "Their Last Night on Darillium" a spin off series about what River and Twelve got up to in those 24 years, because that's what we all need

I actually like to believe they did (that's what fanfiction is for)

No, Galifreyans are sterile thanks to a curse.

I love the audios! Did you see the one with her and 10?

@@VictorianEvening oh that's got two of my absolute favourite Ten stories in, Expiry Dating and Ghosts, they have such a great rapport 😊

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*megolavania plays* Sans: Who made you cry?

why do you unepic gamers have to pollute content with quotes from undertale

And you don't have to choose! David is amazing! Thank you so much!

@@MargaritaLife BOTH of you are amazing, absolutely!

@@dayuerrr7113 thank you so much!)

Thank you!!