It is, but it's really badly shoehorned into this movie. In the original movies, he is talking about humanity in general. Here, he is talking about one specific person having to redeem himself for something another version of him did through no fault of the original person, which really doesn't work with the quote
It's very important to realize that Wanda is not the villain of this movie. The Darkhold is, it's manipulating her. It's hard for people to handle that sometimes because it's not a person.
I have a personal theory that the Darkhold isn't truly destroyed. The Darkhold will always exist as long as there is one version of it exists in the mutivers. Strange has photographic memory and he as looked at the pages of the book. The Darkhold still exists in his mind and that is why he is still touched by it.
In fact, Wanda Ereased Darkholds from Marvel fronchise. But see, these are all copies of True Darkhold. True Darkhold is still with Chthon and it can not be Destroyed or Ereased.
Despite the mixed reception, this is my favorite MCU film. It has a little of everything I love...Sam Raimis style of Horror and humor, classic horror tropes, heroes, giant monsters, zombies, witches, and all these other interesting concepts and ideas. This is like a Christmas present to me!
"I wanna know were [Wanda] is at, after WandaVision". Well... she's right where she started and goes through the exact same journey. * cries in wandastan *
Merry Christmas!!! Elizabeth Olsen just kills it in this movie. The girl can act and hope I can find other things she has done. I know she was the first modern Godzilla movie as a mother.
This was honestly one of the gripes I had with this movie, I feel like they should have explained the Darkhold a bit better for the people who wouldn't be familiar with it😅
I also loved it!! Showed both Wanda and Strange's growth in power, as well as America's newfound growth on her path in the MCU. I also really liked how this Illuminati was arrogant. Not surprising, since their Earth was so advanced and didn't seem like it had a lot of threats after Thanos, so I guess they thought they could take out any threat. Loved the movie!!
I think I liked this movie because I went into it hoping to get a Sam Raimi film that was more Evil Dead than Spiderman and that’s exactly what I got. It was the right amount of creepy for me. Also I know a lot of people on the Internet think the Illuminati are a joke in this but Raimi frankly nailed the group’s depiction in the comics. Time after time in the comics, this group’s arrogance gets the better of them and the rest of the Marvel universe (ie laying the groundwork for Secret Invasion and Civil War) so them underestimating Wanda with fatal results is par the course with the source material
Raimi did what he could and was allowed to, they let him put zombies in the movie and that's the most entertaining part of the whole thing, the Illuminati crap is not his fault, someone thought it was a good idea showing a new group of flamboyant heroes just to kill them all immediately. Raimi made a good job shooting those scenes but they're completely irrelevant, take them out of the movie and nothing changes. And finally, he let Elizabeth Olsen shine during that ending, trusted her and her acting abilities, an she responded giving a fantastic performance. And that's the whole movie for me, Dr. Strange Zombie and Elizabeth Olsen's performance... people these days settle for not much
More importantly a lot of people seem to have misunderstood what Reed was doing with that threat. He was trying to scare MCU universe Wanda out from Illuminati Wanda's body, yes Black Bolt could have spoken and killed Wanda but the Wanda he'd have killed was not MCU Wanda it was the Wanda of the Illumati's universe. The Mother, he is a hero he is not going to kill a innocent person that is the point
A reaction to Sam Raimi gleefully putting his mark on the MCU with his horror shenanigans? Well, THAT is quite a wonderful Christmas Eve surprise to be sure, and a most welcome one. Thanks, Jess.
Grossly underrated MCU movie. I think this movie should have revealed that Wanda was possessed by Chthon but I guess that spoiler comes in a later movie
To answer the question you seem to have had at the credits scene, Charlize is playing the character Clea. In the comics (and probably what they'll do in the movies) Clea is the Niece of Dormammu and eventually Strange's Wife. Krasinski being in the movie is a big moment for fans, as he and his wife Emily Blunt are, or at least were at the time this movie was released, the number 1 fan casting for Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic and Sue Storm/Invisible Woman, so much so to the point of most everyone saying that they were the only ones who could and should be in the roles, so Marvel put him in the Reed Richards role for this movie to pay off the fan desire to see him in the role. Speaking of Krasinski's Reed Richards, as sort of brought up in the movie, the Illuminati in Marvel comics is a secretive society like the real world version, however each member of the Marvel Illuminati is a representative of one of the various communities within Marvel, usually the leaders or important members of the group or faction, who come together to try and solve various issues and such within the Super community from behind the scenes. So for this movie Xavier is the representative for the Mutants, Captain Marvel is the representative for all the space based characters, Mordo is the representative for all the magic based characters, etc. You did indeed watch something that takes place after this for Wong, cause his appearance in She-Hulk takes place after this movie.
Wanda was my favourite MCU character. From her first appearance, Elizabeth Olsen’s performance made me really empathise with her. The idea of a film where she is corrupted and becomes the villain was a great idea. The film is filled with fantastic moments. And yet I don’t love it. I think the problem is I am not a big fan of Sam Raimi’s work. His particular brand of humour and horror really doesn’t work for me.
you do realize wanda is now a a mass murderering psycho yes? Who NEVER gets held accountable for her action, and who CAN still have the children that were made up(at least in her prime 'verse) if she REALLY wanted to, but like most people(usually women) she doesnt want to do things the right and usually harder way
@@Guardian582I fully understand what she did. Empathy does not mean I condone or forgive her actions. People are complex and flawed. Your misogynist comment suggests a lack of understanding and empathy on your part.
@@afrancis1582 i do empathize, but shes a mass murderer, for something that could be easily solved if she so chooses, but because she wants it 'right now' she is willing to be a murderer, unwilling to see ANY other option
37:42 that is Clea. She is the sorcerer supreme of the dark dimension. And, believe it or not, the niece of Dormammu. Yeah her mother, Umar, kept a more human form while her brother assumed their natural state when he rose to power.
I actually loved this movie, it's in the top 10 MCU for me.. just the multiple dimension aspect of it I really really like.. what if season two is doing pretty good. One episode a day is being released. For nine days straight. We're on episode 3 right now that's out that's a definite Christmas episode... and a pretty fun one
Pre-pandemic this movie was to be released AFTER No Way Home. I believe the reason OUR Strange had a deeper rapport with America is because of his relationship with Peter Parker (and MJ and Ned) he was more comfortable in an adult mentor role.
I’m surprised at your lack of reaction towards Black Bolt. I know you probably didn’t watch inhumans. But hearing the word “Inhuman” must’ve rung a bell, since you’re one of the most devoted agents of shield fans I’ve seen. Other than that, great reaction as always ❤️
Happened to come across This Reaction to one of My Most-Favorite Movies, and Enjoyed it so much that I wanted to say "Thank You."👍This is one of the Best Sequels that the MCU has given us in recent years: an Epic-Adventure with Horrific Surprises, and I'm Glad that You Enjoyed it as much as I do too!👌
Did you miss one of the post credit scenes? There is another after Strange goes into the mystery multiverse portal. Although nod needed its funny! Great reaction.
5:10:..Mmmmm, Roasted Calamari, anyone? It's so cool to see many of Marvel artist Steve Ditkos' art imitated in the magic action scenes. In the 2002 comic "Avengers-Endgame" Wanda was even worse--when she realized her memory had been wiped to forget her "Children", she went insane,tried to destroy them all, and wound up killing Ant-Man, Vision ,Hawkeye and put Cap and She-Hulk in body casts..It took Strange and Professor X to stop her, and years to heal her mind. Yes, many sad moments in this film, but one of MCU's better ones. I'm so gald you're OK from your hospital stay..may you never have another. Great reaction/summation and Happy new year, Beautiful!!
This movie is THE most important film of PHASE IV, the first phase of THE MULTIVERSE SAGA (Phases IV, V, VI and probably VII). Much groundwork is laid out here. 1) The device that 838-Reed Richards/Mister Fantastic uses to enter the Illuminati chamber is the Space-Time Platform invented by the most dangerous man ever to walk any earth, Victor Von Doom. Doctor Doom, the greatest Marvel supervillain, plays a major role in the Multiverse Saga and its conclusion. His Space-Time Platform is discovered in the 31st-century by a descendant of Reed Richards, his hated enemy. This future scient who discovers it, is Nathaniel Richards, and out from him and his discovery come the Dynasty of Kangs. Doom will discover the Kangs and their threat. He uses his Space-Time Platform to prevent Wanda's suicide and convinces her to fulfill her destiny... 2) INCURSIONS: The threat of Kangs is small compared to that of universe-destroying Incursions, explained in this film. When Wanda "fulfills her redemption" at the manipulation of Doctor Doom, this will trigger a wave of unstoppable Incursion-events leading to Multiversal death. This leads to DOCTOR STRANGE 3 with Wanda, Strange, and Doom... and after, AVENGERS SECRET WARS.
Sesska, here is my mixtape playlist soundtrack i made up for this movie Siouxsie & The Banshees - Dazzle Big Pig - i can't Break Away Alanis Morissette - Out is Through Sunscreem - Who Will Love Me Now (jimmy gomez mix) Bjork - Army of Me Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Heads Will Roll Curve - Split into Fractions Spacehog - the Horror the Power Rangers Orchestra - Go Go Power Rangers The Immortals - Scorpion (Lost Soul Bent On Revenge) Scarce - All Sideways Saint Etienne - i buy American Records Poe - Haunted Ace of Base - Dancer in a Daydream Captain Hollywood Project - More And More (Single Version) John Williams - Duel of the Fates Blue Oyster Cult - Don't Fear the Reaper Emma Roberts - Punch Rocker Jucifer - She Comes Out in the Evening Transister - Dizzy Moon Kristin Barry - Created Depeche Mode - Precious Madonna - Nothing Really Matters Pet Shop Boys - To Step Aside the Levellers - One Way
There is a reason why they hired horror movie icon Sam Raimi to direct this movie, and it isn't because he directed three Spider-Man movies. Although I imagine the relationship he fostered with Kevin Feige while making those movies certainly helped.
Pizza Poppa, the guy that beat himself up for three weeks, is Bruce Campbell. He and the director Sam Raimi have been great friends since they made the Evil Dead movies. If you look carefully you can see the Delta 88 floating in air in one scene.
Wanda was traumatized and racked with guilt and shame BEFORE this movie. Losing her parents,...getting trapped under rubble with an unexploded bomb...joining Hydra...violating the minds of Bruce, Nat, Steve, Thor and Tony (leading Bruce to trash a city)...orchestrating the creation of Ultron who in turn killed her brother, ravaged a country and nearly destroyed the world...feeling responsible for not getting Crossbone's bomb away from civilians in time...losing Vision...seeing Vision's dismantled body...her breakdown...realizing her breakdown had caused her to torture a small town of people...losing her kids...sort of losing Vision again...being wanted by the authorities.... It's easy enough to say that her actions in this film were caused by the Darkholde (look at what the thing did in Agents of SHIELD...), but if she returns how will she deal with the addition of murdering so many people in Camitage, murdering alternate reality versions of Peggy (her friend Steve's true love), Captain Marvel (her defender Monica's lost mother), Mister Fantastic (who she knew was leaving a wife and kids behind), Black Bolt and Professor X (leaving that world without 5 of its greatest heroes), the murder of another alternate reality Doctor Strange, trashing a New York street with a demon, torturing and attempting to kill Wong, hounding and attempting to sacrifice the lost 16 year old America Chavez, attempting to kill Doctor Strange and alternate reality Christine, what the spirits of the damned were saying to her, attempting to kill and replace an alternate reality version of herself, and finally seeing her terrified alternate reality kids look upon her as a monster. Even if she does return (and has been freed from the book's influence), she'll either have to continue living without her kids and dreaming about their counterparts every night, or - if the speculation about her kids returning for Young Avengers is correct - have to face them after what she's done.
I absolutely loved the movies Evil Dead, Drag to Hell, Aliens, Spider-Man 2, Army of Darkness, Carrie, Twilight Zone, The Shining, The Ring, Day of The Dead, Oz The Great and Powerful, The Matrix, and the 1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88, as well as the nods to The Terminator in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. The Magical Duel between Doctor Strange and Sinister Strange was genuinely awe-inspiring. Moreover, the appearance of The Living Tribunal left me completely astounded. The film's soundtrack was also exceptional, enhancing my overall enjoyment. Undoubtedly, I had an incredible time watching this movie, especially with the Scarlet Witch as a formidable antagonist. The visual effects in Doctor Strange and America Chavez's journey through the multiverse were absolutely breathtaking. I've been a devoted fan of Doctor Strange since 1995. Scarlet Witch has also held a special place in my heart since 1990.
Whatever other opinions about this movie we might have, can we agree it's hilarious that a multi-million dollar blockbuster somehow put Benedict in THAT wig with THAT hairline? 😂
There was 2 things that annoyed me about this movie despite loving it. 1 wanda should also be a nexus being like america Chavez. (Only one wanda in the multiverse) 2 how they treated wanda. Wanda simply said she just wanted to go to a universe to be with her children so what does strange tell wong? "She wants to enslave the universe" ...was he even listing 😂
RIGHT ??? even wanda tells wong she doesn't want to rule everything, she just wants her children. i also wish they wrote her smart enough to realize there's most definitely a universe where her kids don't have a mom. the writing in this movie was atrocious
She was willing to murder a lost 16 year old girl. She sent monsters after her, killing at least one person already (the alternate Strange), and trashing a New York city block with an enslaved demon. Why in the world would they believe her? And even if they did, they still weren't about to turn the innocent person who she wanted to kill over.
1) Scarlet Witch is a nexus being, emerging only in 616, but Wanda exists in every universe. That’s how the MCU is treating it. 2) it’s the slippery slope concept. She wanted to freely travel the multiverse to do whatever it takes to have her family, and is corrupted by the Darkhold. She can’t be trusted anymore.
In the internet was the info that Marvel might make a movie Scarlet witch and also Agatha all alone is moving, so this is not the end of Wanda's story. ❤
This was directed by none other than the Sam Raimi himself. (Spider-Man Trilogy and the Evil Dead). So that explains the crazy horror tone of the movie and some camera shots.
Sesska, i am not sure if it is okay that she destroyed the Darkhold in every universe, in the tv show Agents of SHIELD, they used it for something, i forget
Why wouldn't it be "ok"? This came out after AoS, and she destroyed all copies of the book throughout the multiverse, so whether you consider the pre-Disney+ shows as in the prime universe or not (I do), those stories happened, then those copies of the book burned up like the one we saw.
Sesska, you didn't show Baron Mordo introduce Blackbolt? the leader of the inHumans, did you get to watch the tv show, the inHumans , ? , when it was on abc in 2018? i liked it, it might be on disney plus now
I try to avoid trailers and promotional material as well. It's impossible when you happen to appreciate the source material, but the adaptation is then what I'm avoiding. I've seen very classic examples of spoilers in trailers (Arnold in promotions of "The Terminator" in the 80s is a prime example Between 2 trailers they gave away he's a killing machine from the future, and they gave away which character was the Terminator, and they gave this away with almost every poster, every trailer, and in audio and video media did it with the "dramatic narrator voice. At the time I was a teenager, so I didn't know "spoilers") 31:15-31:20 You know something that hit me with this movie? "Ash" (Steve Campbell) of Evil Dead was in many of the Spider-Man movies, he appeared in this movie... Then we go "possessing the body of dead-self. So are the Evil Dead movies now part of the MCU?
I really feel the biggest flaw the film has is that while they do state the situation of the Darkhold corrupting Wanda, it was treated something like a background element; truth is, once Wanda opened the book at the end of her show, she was gone. Chthon was pretty much in charge of his vessel/avatar at that point and using her to gain access to take over the multiverse.
Yeah as someone who's seen Agents of Shield I understand how the Darkhold corrupts anyone and they'd be too far gone regardless of who they are, but I feel like it needs to emphasised more for the film where the majority of its audience wouldn't be familiar with the Darkhold.
@@lucasdolding6924 It's a perfect example of the substandard writing we have come to expect from Marvel Studios. As an AoS fan I totally understood this movie, and how the Darkhold corrupts the reader... But Marvel Studios did nothing to explain the effects of the book. Wanda just went nuts between Wandavision and this movie and general audiences were just expected to accept it.
Actually that's wrong, Wanda wasn't possessed by the Darkhold, she was the one controlling it, alot of people don't seem to realise that. As for Chthon he was only hinted at, none of that has begun yet.
*you know, this had a lot going for it. it was really the woke era it was made that made the over chick biz stand out* (& not establishing why wanda is so powerful properly, & some of the cheesy jks & exposition) that kxlled it. it is ok. just needed a few tweeks. _JC
Rough and messy film but there's a an explanation why. The writers of the film didn't watch Wandavision or really do research on any material. Which is why it seems so different and disconnected to when we last saw Wanda. Even Elizabeth Olsen said she was surprised to be the villain in a youtube interview. Director Sam Raimi did make it a little horror/funky with the Evil Dead style which seemed to please a lot of the audience. Personally not for me though unfortunately.
I'm not going to make wanda go looking for her if not the Scarlet witch And Scarlet witch is the best you have Captain Carter would to his all day Sesskasays Merry Christmas :)
I respect your opinions and review. This movie was good in terms of Doctor Strange POV only. Overall the movies was sub par since wanda's reasonings made no sense and it was something that strange had to deal with. The other reason this movie is bad is due the fact that in order to understand the plot you have to watch wanda vision series which I believe was also ass, since you cannot have kids with a robot that was already dead. I think people either love it or hate it.
I still don’t get why people didn’t really vibe with it, on the whole I really fucked with Phase 4, it’s Phase 5 that’s been a little more scattershot for me
Same old story. You wait forever for a Benedict and then two turn up at once! Also, fun fact, Benedict Wong grew up a mile or two from Christopher Eccleston.
I was angry at this movie when it came out because the 'corruption' aspect so thoroughly removed her autonomy and the lessons of WandaVision. Watching it now, it really is a much much better movie. I think it was a mistake releasing it so close to the series
