My girlfriend and I were still half awake and I am watching the video and wanted her to see the car so I said hey look at this and of course that was when the hotdog cooking stuff came on and she was confused.. its raining at 8 am and you want hot dogs ?
@@fucuszullanti7877 I had a 2000 GTS for 7 years. Absolutely loved it ... and the interior matched the car and what it’s all about. I thought it was great as well. Have fun in that super special car!!
There is a reason why used Vipers are 35000$ to 50000$. Its not some bloated luxo barge. From what I have seen and heard its a brutal and unforgiving beast. Not meant for the weak of heart or timid.
@@fadedjate7230 exactly. It’s a driver’s car for sure. And not as dangerous as many think - as long as you take the time first to learn how it behaves. I thought it was a thrill to drive ... loved every minute.
The only excuse I can make for the the interior is that the performance and exterior were punching so far above it’s weight for the price point that concessions had to be made somewhere.
It's interior is very much standard for an American car in the 90s. As he notes, the parts are right out of a Breeze or Neon. That's what Dodge had available. They simply lacked the resources to give this its own switchgear, door hardware, etc.
The Viper engine is not based on the truck V10; it's the other way around. Viper came out in 1992, first V10 truck was 1994. Both started as an extra cylinder on the LA-block V8 with a longer stroke, but beyond this concept, the two diverge. The Viper V10 really torched a lot of its V8 roots in the aluminum conversion, whereas the Magnum tried to use 5.9/5.2 parts wherever possible. In the end, basically nothing can be swapped between the two. But still, the Viper did it first.
I am so glad the RU-vid algos lead me to your channel earlier in the pandemic. You guys are the best (and the most under-rated) car review channel out there.
Loved the video. When you get a Gen V, there's a huge breadth in spring rates and daily livability from model to model. I prefer the dual mode Bilsteins, the Laguna interior is nicer than a Hellcat and actually feels special, the 18 speaker stereo is decent. Dodge finally made it a complete experience and you don't have to make excuses for the inside.
please do a 2013+ G5 Viper review. Dramatically better interior than in the past. Pretty much all the negatives you have in the video get addressed in the G5, far more refined
Yup I owned a 2013 viper gts sold it this year. Timeless design when I would stop pretty much anywhere everybody thought it was new. Best budget supercar you can get I’ve hit 203 mph it took about 3miles to achieve🏁🏁
@@brianl505 they just didn't want to feed any more "WOW VIPER BIG ENGINE GUD" porno to the tweezer-wielding jerk-offs that already made their mind up about this car being the best thing to come along since Viagra.
If the phrase “Hold my beer” was a car, it would be a Dodge Viper. Makes me happy to see you guys reviewing my kindergarten dream car (and still my dream car). Fantastic video as always.
And yet somehow, despite this basically being a lowered supertruck.. It managed to capture the much sought after Nürburgring Nordschleife production car laptime record for a brief period of time... Very impressive.
@@THESLlCK yea my point was that most of those records are largely due to having bigger tires than anything else. when other cars got big tires as well, they reclaimed the records.
These cars are raw,exciting and unapologetic for what they are. They are hammers not a fly swatter. Dodge did an exceptional job with this super car. The modern ACR is insane.
These things (ACR, especially) were competing with cars 2-3x the price on the track. And it crushed most of them. Ditching luxuries for average Chrysler interior quality of the time was perfectly excusable. There is a reason the gen 5 was so much more expensive (gen 4s also had decent discounts off sticker when new).
Ok, but Corvettes and Vipers are not bargains, it's just German and Italian sport cars are overpriced by design for "exclusivity" which is very important for the douchebags who buy them and drive then 500 miles a year.
@@truantray 100% true. Though Vipers and, to a lesser degree, Vettes are engineered by people with extensive racing experience. You can build some pretty damn wild home made autocross rides but FCA and GM are so far the only ones offering you that experience, with a warranty at a comparably affordable price. If track days are your reason to get a high performance car, skip the poser stuff like the Huracan or McLaren and grow a pair and drive an ACR. There's a reason every time a former race car driver drives a gen 5 ACR they gush about them unlike any other production car out there. They were designed by pro racers to tick all the boxes a pro racer would want in a street legal car.
If you compare the gen 5, even the ACR, to what they've beaten on tracks, its incredible. Sure, the Viper ACR 5th gen is in the 6 figures, but its near the bottom of the barrel levels of cost. Vettes are a close second, but remember... the ACR is beating the shit out of what the Vettes can barely compete against... which is not to say anything against the Vettes, in fact, it just proves Vettes are insane value for performance and arguably better in terms of interiors and drivability. If anything, the ACR is what a Vette would be if Dodge's tunnel-vision was the mindset behind the engineering of a car for the purpose. Think about it, the Challenger is the last true Muscle Car standing, where it does not give a fuck about corners, while the Vipers of any generation, trim, what have you, are meant to be driven seriously around corners and does not give a damn about the driver's comfort, let alone safety (in fact, sitting in one is so unbearable as it forces you to sit in an awkward fashion).
@@chancehupp3142This is late but if you’re talking track records, yes the Gen 5 ACR still holds 10 lap records last I checked, and I’m pretty sure the viper held the record for largest displacement when it was in production. I think Bugatti holds the record now.
Thanks for doing a review on the Viper. I have owned a 2006 Viper for 14 years. Yes, you pointed out every problem with the car and the positives. I just can't seem to want to get rid of this car, because it does something for me that no other car has done, the experience is so different than anything else. It makes you glad to be alive. The sounds and actions of the car are delicious. By the way, I do own a 2019 Dodge Hellcat Redeye, a 2018 Porsche Panamera Turbo, a 2016 BMW M4, a 2018 Porsche GT3 amongst a few others. They each have pro's and cons, and I love them all.
@markm0000 Work, and you can achieve these things as well. Investing, buy stocks, housing developments, heck, go have a garage sale every weekend. There is a bunch of money to be made. None of those cars are extremely expensive. If he would of said Rolls Royce, Bugatti, McClaren or LA Ferraris, than sure, ge had a fat bank note.
The dynamic between you guy have in your discussion is really really well thought out. Neither of you seem particularly in one way or the other, and if you are, you take time to justify your point. Also like how you're making effort to do goofy shit. definitely keeps videos entertaining.
The Gen IV Viper is one of the best looking perf cars ever made...this car stands out no matter what you park it next to and for all it's short comings it works...IMO this is one of the best raw performance cars ever and it's looks still to this day very sexy...another thing I like about the Gen IV Viper is that you have to know how to drive.. there's nothing to save you but you!!
@@nezabytes The interior is just fine...ever drive one ??...I did used to own one and nothing is more functional than the Viper seat steering wheel pedals and shifter set up it all just works.
@@nezabyteswho gives a shit. It’s not meant to be a daily. Car was meant to be driven and it drives like no other car out there that’s what makes it special.
As Car and Driver said of the original - it really only needs 3 gears because there is enough torque to live in that one. Of course they also said: Enough torque to leave burnouts the length of the Hardee's drive-thru.
I'm one of those "don't need the fancy schmancy interior" dudes. I'm looking at the gauges, mirrors or out the window. I don't need a fancy bedroom either, I spend my time there with my eyes closed.
You will never see a car like this again. That’s what makes it so valuable and will be a classic car someday. The faults make it special in a world of perfection.
I think it is important to remember that in this Era, dodge seemed to have this philosophy to get the most power to the consumer for the lowest price. They tried to fix the interior with the Gen 5 and the price tag skyrocketed. The Gen 4 is my favorite and the most sophisticated Viper I might have a chance to afford one day. I have loved the Viper and everything it stands for since I was a little kid. I used to draw pictures of vipers and I loved driving this car in gran turismo 2! Love this car! Merica!
They are spot on with their comments. I had a gen 2 viper for 3 years and once I sold it I got a 2018 Hellcat. The Hellcat is my daily driver and after 33k miles still a nice place to be. Just a fun to beat the shit out of as the viper but much better to live with. That being said the viper is one of the best looking cars ever made.
It's not supposed too be a super car; it's a track car, and it has a fantastic, 30+ year pedigree of track domination too prove it; the shining example here, is it's records on the Nurburgring. It took the competition a LONG time to surpass the Vipers lap times.
A. The Viper is the most super car out of all the super cars. B. Your chimpanzee noises made me laugh so much so I just keep rewinding it and ignoring the review.
I'd love to see this compared against the gen V that fixes almost all of your issues with this. And when does the GT3 review go up? Been waiting forever!
Awesome video guys! I remember meeting Jack at a gas station when he was in possession of the new BMW Supra, I subscribed shortly after this. Thanks to my gear head buddy Matthew for letting me about this channel, which was prior to meeting Mark. Keep up the good work guys.
@Nathan P. Cuckerston lmao what? It has a fantastic gearbox for its time. Sure it's clunky, but most single clutch automated manuals are. Just look at the Aventador which still sells with it to this day. As for no one wanting to buy one; that's a blatant lie. The car was a masterpiece, and anyone who cares for cars loves it.
@@ArtVandelayOfficial yea this is cap. the single clutch is not good by ANY standards but its visceral and just as good the f430 single clutch which is when that part of the car was developed. as for no one wanting to buy it is simply false. there’s a reason the prices haven’t depreciated at all. its because people want them.
"You have to see this car for what it is" *proceedes to bash it for what it's not for 80% of the video.* Yea. We know the interior is not good. It was Dodge in the 90s. That's not why someone buys this car. So why spend so much time talking about it?
This is a 2009 Dodge Viper, not "Dodge in the 90's". This car cost a minimum of $90,000 over a decade ago. You should not be getting leftover Plymouth interior parts for $90,000. You should not be sitting to the side of the steering wheel and pedal box. The point that they were trying to make was that the lack of engineering refinement, while sort of a funny joke, actually significantly detracts from 95% of the driving you're going to do in this car. I also think that if they drove a final-generation Viper, they would sing a different tune.
I just bought a 2001 Viper GTS and drove it 425 miles home from where I picked it up. So, I have some saddle time. I appreciate what these guys are saying about the Viper with respect to the interior and what have you. Offset pedals? Try driving a Pantera or 1960s Lamborghini. Objectionable interior? Same with many performance cars, like an F40. You just accept or forgive those omissions for what the car delivers. So, I do not share the overly harsh criticism, but understand where it comes from. Want cup holders, blah, blah, blah... buy a Corvette. Hey, nothing wrong with Corvettes!
I love the Viper. It's raw, real and straight forward. You get behind the wheel and you know exactly what to get. Yes, the interior is spartan...because that's not what this car is about. Yes, it's loud and uncomfortable, because it's not supposed to be some pony to parade around the strip of Las Vegas. I had the pleasure of driving it once...I was terrified but appreciative of just how unapologetic it is. It doesn't baby you, hold your hand, or tell you everything is gonna be ok. From the moment you get it and start it up, it tells you 'Don't underestimate me, I will bite your head off if you get overconfident' I love how connected you are. It's just you, a stick shift, no traction control and a big-ass V10 up front. Good luck, try not to die.
If people are complaining about the interior, that's not the purpose for the Dodge Viper. Porsche 911 Carrera, Mercedes Benz AMG GT, even the 2020 Corvette C8 have stunning interiors and modern tech. The Viper was made to be an old school sports car. Jay Leno reviewed the 1st gen GTS and RT-10 and he didn't buy the two Vipers for modern tech. His Porsche has modern tech, the Viper doesn't need it. Fisker made a Viper kit car VLF Force that has nice interior, Automatic Transmission, and modern tech.
Perfect review of an epic, unparalleled car! I've driven a Gen 3 and it's fantastic, for those like me who are into that kind of raw, brutal, exciting experience with a proper manual. Keep up the good work!
so many awesome scenes--Jack's driving, the grilling on the engine (especially the Hebrew National apron!), and just the full review Love that you found a coupe to review, as well as your comparison to a Lotus Elise/Exige, my other top 10 car.
Can't believe how glad I am to come across this video. Owned this exact car, same color and all for three years and it is to this day one of the 'funnest' cars I've ever owned. Yes it's crude and rough but nothing brings a smile to your face like this. Miss it so much!
I’ve always been amazed how quiet the Viper V10 is, especially compared to a Corvette V8. It’s like the “imbalanced” firing order of the V10 is inherently smoother than a small block V8. It doesn’t scream, hardly even shouts.
I love my Viper Coupe AND i Dailydrive it since 5 years from March to September/Oct. For me there is nothing that would fit my taste,the rawness,unfiltered and no nannys,perfect. For interioir reasons i covered all in finest italian leather from dashboard to headliner. And for the heat from exhausts i installed headers,no precats and racecats afterwards. Day and night difference.....also from sound :) I have driven now somewhere 70k miles on my Vipers over last few years ans i still enjoy it every single time (except for rain lol) cant say that about that boring R8 and G`s that i tried out
It's practically a street legal race car. It can easily be setup to beat any modern supercar on the track with capable hands. The tail is super slippery.
I don't get the interior hate for the Viper. I've had a 2004 for nearly 10 years and it was my daily driver until my wife had back issues and couldn't ride in it regularly. Just hit 130,000 miles on it and have no plans to stop. I'll admit I can't quite get the best fit for myself in it for longer trips (I've done a few from the midwest to the east coast now), but I never feel like the interior is bad. The gauges are where they need to be and convey important information well and stuff is within easy reach. It could be slightly higher quality materials, but it's not like it's falling apart 20 years later with all the miles I have on it. The worst of it is just the front edge of the dash is curling up a bit since the glue is starting to weaken. I also don't get the radio complaints. I mean, it's not as nice as some super premium systems (and the bass completely disappears the second I start the car up anyway), but it's not that bad. I bought my car with a full aftermarket system that was just poorly put together. I wasted a bunch of time and money trying out different aftermarket stuff that actually fit in stock locations only to find out a factory stereo and amp sounded better than anything else I've had it in. The speakers are still aftermarket, but the radio and amp and much better matched to the car than anything I could do myself.
Every car has a certain niche of people that enjoy it for what it is. When someone who is not a fan evaluates it based on a personal criteria it will not measure up. If I needed soft leather to comfort my ass and paddle shifters to move my car then spending 3X more seems to be the right thing to do. There are more Lambo people doing car shows and weekend driving than tracking. IMHO.
Complaining so much about the interior, but coming from the perspective of owning an 84 Dodge pickup, a 2000 Nissan frontier, and an 03 350z that shit looks luxurious lol. You're telling me a get a whole 5 inch Display? Shiiieeet. That's new age.
My favorite car since my childhood, it's so nineties and it's gorgeous. My dad even gave me a 1:18 scale model, that blue one with the white stripes on the top. Thanks a lot for the video Geese.
I learned performance driving in the Viper with the Skip Barber Program! They used the Vipers for years to instruct with and they were quite the handful as no ABS, no Traction or Stability, just you. It was probably the best car to learn in as it was always ready to swap ends with power on oversteer. Great times were had with this car.
I am glad they didn't. It adds to its spirit. It means no one ever drove one who cannot drive stick. (Besides, a strongly for-track car with automatic would make little sense, at least in that era.)
I just wanted to say that videos like these are just so cool and the review on the super high performance older cars that I can potentially actually own at some point is exactly the kind of stuff I want to watch. Loved the 09 CTSV review and you guys are spot on with what it is and also how absolutely atrocious the automatic transmission is but I still enjoy it thanks guys!
This channel always cracks me up. Most car channels just gush about how much they love the cars. These guys seem like they sincerely dislike most cars that they review.
