Does Payday: The Heist Still Hold Up Nowadays? 

Payday 2 and sports games says you are wrong.

@@Funhaus_Ryan team fortress 2 doesnt agree with your opinion

they can all be equally fun if done properly

Two words: Jimmy ... Leroy

I hope that they accomplish fleshing out the heisters’ personalities better in PD3. With them focusing on the main gang+2 TBA around launch it should give them plenty of time to do so, and slowly adding new members when capable Though I like most the characters at base level in PD2, it’d carry more of the game if I felt like the game had more “character” if that makes sense. More depth, more in-game voice lines and banter. Like Vermintide 1&2, and hopefully better than Darktide.

Theres a mod that brings back glass shatter in pd2 iirc

Snipers and graze can make headshot kills a bit more satisfying if you want to see several cops die in a short timespan

@@alt1763 already sorta main that lol

@@kawahhh1034 It's great but it causes too much performance issues, now I kinda wanna revert it

​@@npne1253 i think we know why they didn't included that

payday was never good. just a copy of gta robbery missions

@@cagneybillingsley2165 Payday debatably influenced GTA V’s approach to heists. if anything, Payday: The Heist was more derivative of Left 4 Dead

@@cagneybillingsley2165 because gta invented the idea of robbing banks

Payday was directly inspired by Left 4 Dead. The developers said so themselves when the first Payday game was in development. It's basically cops and robbers replacing the zombies and survivors from Left 4 Dead. Also the heists missions themselves are taken from movies such as Heat, Point Break and the Ocean series which the developers of Payday was a huge fan of.

@@DarkZerol i was joking when i said 'because gta invented the idea of robbing banks' but hey that's pretty cool

he gonna mess me up😏🤤😩

"THINK I'M SCARED OF YOU?"

"You're up against the wall and I! AM THE FUCKING WALL!" The enemy voice lines are really well made, gives the specials a lot of personality apart from just their designs.

And the unnerving idea (at the time at least) that "Oh god you're the one who started the L4D outbreak" before it got retconned which is sad tbh

@@hamoodhabibi1579 it really wasn't retconned, since I'm pretty sure in TH it was non canon and in 2 you're not stealing the Green Flu (except the patient still mutates into something like the Cloaker)

my favorite is breach of security, especially when it plays when you input the wrong code on diamond heist and everything goes to all hell

@@NiCoNiCoNiCola It was canon until Payday 2 released, where it was then retconned. And after it was brought back in Payday 2, the plot of it was slightly changed to make it some kind of supersolider virus instead of Green Flu.

especially the newer versions of the songs... god. the only ones i kinda enjoy listening too is breach of security. and home invasion. but breach of security was just... annoying. like i cant believe they cut the title of the hole song, proceed to make it enjoyable enough to compare it to the og version... AND THEN PUT IT IN ANOTHER HEIST! As if i will give you my all 2017 is better then the original. its the same as razormind the more you hear it the more you hate it. have you heard what they did to heat street? it just feels like beta heat street but slightly changed! some of them feel unrecognizable. edit: also crime wave.

@@Mentelgen-1337 I am well aware of that,yes. Ah well it doesn't affect me I only play PDTH anyway

@@Lost-Infernus hehe… yea. That’s the only reason why I bought the soundtrack of the game funnily enough

@@Mentelgen-1337 only bought the OST for the funny masks

Went back to Payday 2 PS3 and shit is different I'm telling you. Overkill is hard and skills cost money.

Was there since the start too, i couldn't make it to the OVK 145+ list for the Overdrill. Got back into Payday 2 when it was around Hoxton showed up(College entrance exams fucked me over so i wasn't there for awhile). Honestly i think the Grinder perk deck was the Turning Point before it became worse with powercreep and oddity. Rogue was OP at it's peak and Snipers + Nades were the start of powercreep since you could deal with Shields + Dozers better with them, but Grinder + RPG + Piglet GL and the likes were what started that trend of wtf ness followed by the bows and the likes. Especially Grinder, since it trivialized Tabula Rasa. Formerly it felt like a Prestige moment to beat that achivement. Then again i did leave in Crimefest 2015(...when 'That' happpened) like many did but seems to me that shit got progressively worse over the last 7 years.

@@tyranidswarmlord9722 tbh BOS and BTM were the last set of new heists I could play before I got too busy with college. It was fun headshotting those Tasers with a platypus using bodhi. When I came back I didn't know what to do anymore and it was around the white house heist period

@@tyranidswarmlord9722 hahahaha yea grinder was definately the start of the downfall of PD2

Pd2 turned into a bit of a arcade game but thats what got me into it

Same bro, and I only played pd2 for about 1k hours. I just love the heavy tone and gritty atmosphere of the first game, alongside some other details and mechanics that got removed on pd2

@@Eve.The.Whore.Of.Babylon have no fear, since 3 looks like it brings back the old tone. It even sorta has the old collor correction

@@NiCoNiCoNiCola yep, thats the second most exciting thing about payday 3 for me, i cant wait

@@nol2521 first one being what?

@@NiCoNiCoNiCola overkill's transparency with payday 2

Funnily enough I just tried out Crackdown like 12 hours ago and it just feels like faster mayhem.

@@pyrotf2630 I personally like OG One Down more (less enemies but with more health and no medic and minidozers) but as someone that mainly plays DSOD it just seems like u dont understand how strong the player is.

there was one moment when i played pdth with my friends. in counterfeit i went outside mitcheals house backdoor(where the power box is) at the beginning of a new assault. and i kid you not. you will see death approaching you tactically to the point of shitting bricks. it was too many enemies but it was a fun wave. not whatever the hell pd2s spawn system is.

there where like 5 cloakers. 3 shields and a bulldozer in the middle. Menacingly approaching the house. it was like out of a movie. thats why i like pdth. it actually feels like it could be a movie.

@@skeley6776 The player is a bit too strong in PD2 in my opinion. Far too many abilities to save yourself from going down or get straight up invincibility. The most basic skill any loud build uses, bullseye, doesnt exist in PDTH and if it did, it would completely shake up the way the game plays. The most broken skills are obviously Swansong and Inspire. They completely shifted the way objectives and the players ammo economy is handled and not in a good way. Since ammo pickups became very easy to get, a lot of weapons simply stopped benefiting from ammo pickups. A lot of weapons are pretty much unsustainable just off ammo pickups. Contrast this with PDTH where every weapon/loadout will always be sustainable off pickups but you have to exploit cops pathfinding with level geometry in order to actually get those pickups. In the counterfeit heist, its a common strat to camp downstairs and kills cops on said stairs, grabbing their ammo through the nearby wall or just doing a short sprint up and down the stairs. If such a strat is not possible, ammo bags become your first choice. Unlike PD2 where ammo bags are only used to sustain unsustainable guns like rocket launchers, some snipers, shotguns and the saw. A lot of perks and skill completely negating damage also lead to DS having those insanely high damaging cops because players wont get hit most of the time so when they do, its gotta make a real impact. Of course they seemingly forgot that this cripples a good third of all perks in the game. Swansongs ability to let you cheese objective interactions has also made it so you just never get any downtime ever meaning you almost HAVE To use swansong for something meanwhile in PDTH you can reliably clear almost every objective and get some downtime.

true, for me it kinda all went to shit after big bank. its crazy how the game changed over the years, i still remember the skill that made you lose armor instead of health when getting fall-dmg, but then they changed it so its the standard

payday 2 is more heist maniac. pdth is more movie heist. and considering most people love movies, I understand why you have that opinion.

Well, to be fair people do WANT more of that "haha, silly shiny glittery fun thingies that tingle my dopamine receptors" kind of additions. If you try to say otherwise, you are usually quickly shut down lol. Which is a shame, because games become big blobs of random content to appease the "haha fnnuy" crowd I think.

​@@VValkyryeah, people nowadays want a game full of random things just for the sake of it. Look killing floor 2 for example, the game went from a horror survival shooter aesthetic from the first game to killing drones while wearing funny costumes and doing silly emotes

​@@Eve.The.Whore.Of.Babylon I feel this critique is really dumb though, most people don't find goofy cosmetics to ruin a games actual artstyle and graphics, it just makes the players stand out more. As long as the actual areas being explored, enemies and everything else has a consistent, good artstyle, goofy cosmetics don't really ruin a games artstyle.

@@samgaming3354 yes, but like Killing Floor 2 is not consistent. 1 wasn't really too, but eh, it always looked like a survival horror, even in some silly maps

It won't. Payday 2 changed the original game's identity too much to go back. It's doubtful Overkill would risk going under (for real this time).

@@MrHitmancheg No. They didn't. An actual payday fan would know this entire franchise at its core is a horde shooter that tricks gamers into thinking it's a heist game. They've literally said it ever since this franchise came into existence. The entire first game was directly inspired by left 4 dead.

@@TheEFedsAreComin yeah I can def see the differences between l4d2 and payday the heist

*also the wall running cloakers*

Agree on this one. I miss the more tactical nature of original payday the heist. If they dont include it right away hope there will be difficulty/mode that you can choose to play more tactically as like in the original 1st. Thou not sure how well that will scale between the game. IF they design it being a horde shooter.

How is the heist a simulator when it's missing so many things payday 2 has lol

@@uldoser payday 2 is def more "sim" it has everything

@@uldoser PDTH fans can't cope over the fact that this franchise wasn't meant to be an actual heisting game. The devs literally admitted to this a decade ago by saying its a cops and robbers horde shooter inspired by left 4 dead 2.

@@TheEFedsAreComin Maybe that's why it's so great. Simple, neat and classy just like Left 4 Dead. The simplest games are always the best to go back to. I don't think Payday 2 is bad, it's just different and too wacky. Other people might enjoy that but I and a chunk of the Payday fanbase would love to see Payday return to its gritty, movielike horde shooter roots.

​@@TheEFedsAreCominas an example, according to id software's original developers, DooM 3 was what they had in mind since the beginning, but that game isn't nearly as good as the original 2 or the remakes. Dev intention is primary, but you can't just waste years of players appreciation and enjoyment for "haha big ass spoon goes *BONK* "

when payday 2 blew up in popularity in 2014 everyone wondered why it was called '2' and never bothered to find the original game

They think that the number "2" on the title has the same logic as the number "64" on Super Mario 64

basicly

your comment looks out of context but i got what you said

It's the simplicity my friend. Brilliance. In. Simplicity. They didnt need so much stuff in it to be amazing. More well developed but lesser content overall will always Trump lesser developed, borderline lazy, honestly overwhelming amounts of content.

If they kept most of the humor in pager lines, and someone got to add the mechanic to pdth it would be so much better, nothing more, nothing less

old=good new=bad

@@jogugaga7121 neither of these games are new lol. But he is right

No matter how much ukrainians claim otherwise, everyone fucking knows they and russians are barely distinguishable. Every time you see a ukrainian character in media, chances are they were intended to be russian, but weren't because someone thought that would be too on the nose.

Couldn't have said it better, noice

i agree until the dodge part, dodge was always really fucking strong, i know that cuz i was a tank player and my mate a dodge player and he would just run around, not take any dmg and do more dmg. i really hope they will make pd3 less wackier, more balanced and not a milking facility with the amount of paid dlc

cry about it

​@@dext871try writing a good argument next time

Well, at least (imo) with left 4 dead the sequel maintained the gameplay and atmosphere of the second game and just added more stuff, while in pd2's case is a completely different experience than PDTH and the atmosphere is just non existent

@@Eve.The.Whore.Of.Babylon Thus why I put better in quotes, more people prefer the gameplay of Payday 2 to Payday: The Heist, whether or not it's better depends on the person. I prefer Payday 2's style personally.

Only 80 gb at best

To be fair Im pretty sure he never played on overkill+145 either

@@skeley6776 Well he's using the amcar for the majority of that pdth footage so I dont think he got that far, to be quite frank. But he implied he's been playing Payday 2 for years, so never going above Mayhem is, well it's a bit shocking to me. I mean, I get it, Death Sentence isn't exactly the most well balanced difficulty, but DW is down right easy on most maps if you understand the game to a certain extent, and I'm not exactly an elite FPS player.

@@GeorgePerakis DSOD is not even that hard its just the majority of the community thinks DSOD is unfair and impossible without x mod or the meta while not even knowing what is meta atm. On DSOD u have to think about what u do and casuals hate that so they much rather tell every beginner u dont even have to bother with DSOD.

@@skeley6776 I just wish the perk decks were better balanced with DSOD in mind. I can trip into a Death Wish game with a fucking Yakuza build and still carry the lobby. Trying to play Yakuza on DSOD feels like I'm pulling fingernails. And Rogue should at least buff the 25% chance to pierce armor to a 100% chance. That deck is so badly thought out.

​@@GeorgePerakis currently 80% of my payday games are on OVK, with the remainder on Mayhem, anything past that is just narrowing the amount of stuff I can reliably play, making me dread snipers that much more, and just upping the cash payout. Imo Mayhem is the top difficulty I'd play for fun

Well there's PD3 to look forward to.

Im pretty sure an actual bank robbing would be a lot more in depth than pdth and payday 2 isn't a arena shooter

easy?

lets be real, Payday 2 isn't like a horde shooter, it is a horde shooters

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