Does this HUGE Chevy Tahoe Diesel Get the Same MPG as Your Neighbor's Toyota RAV4? 

Or late afternoon on a Sunday.

I love them but they are slacking on the mpg towing on tundra hybrid I have yet found a legitimate video, the Russian posted I one hauling a streamline trailer and the camera pointed to the gauge real quick, but wasn't apart of the video and read 10 mpgs but idk

Yes that certainly helps to lower the break even point of where you would spend the same on gas or diesel fuel. All depends how much more diesel costs where you fill up.

On GMs 1500 trucks for 2021 it's even cheaper than the 6.2L V8, I don't get why RAM and Ford are asking 4k-5k for their diesel engines

Cheaper, but it'll probably break in half the time.

The diesel engine will always get a better resale value at the end. You lost nothing!

Cheaply made engine.

How many miles so far?

@@Thumpr110 around 13000km

I have the 2.7 and I get 9 mpg pulling the same weight. Thankfully it’s only a lease.

They just started production in November. They are constrained through December though

Good luck on trying to get the 7.3L diesel with that.

Yeah because 20 year old trucks were better made and didn't cost arm and a leg.

@@jonmccormick8683 I got a 7.3 for $2500. It isn’t a surburban tho, it’s an ambulance so I got an even better deal!

People get it for the payload. This isn't comparable.

Excursion is like a house on wheels.

Good luck with that. I barely get 23 mpg out of my sierra.

@@JohnDoe-nz6bk Are you saying that you cannot even get 23 mpg on the highway with your diesel?

@@jasonschwartze83 that's what I'm saying. I got 32 mpg in my first week of ownership and that was it.

The 6.2 doesn't do that well. The 3.0 easily gets high 20s on the highway

Suburban/Tahoe too on everything but Z71

Or a horse trailer or enclosed 20 foot cargo trailer (I’ve seen a few Suburbans towing that kind of stuff before).

Not enough payload. Not terrible but might as well just use the much less expensive Silverado as no way you can load 8 passengers and still have any payload left to tow.

@@bryanhersman4037 suburban 2500hd can do that .........but no DuraMax 6.6 for efficiency though they missed out on production

@@bryanhersman4037 I mean, 1,350 pounds of payload minus the 650 for tongue weight on the 6,500 pound trailer leaves you 700 pounds of payload. 2 adults at 175 pounds a piece is 350 pounds, 3-4 small kids at 100 pounds or less and you're right on target. Going over a hundred pounds or 200 pounds really isn't going to matter. I'd say the numbers work out pretty good, and also remembering this is on a fully loaded unit, on a less loaded one you'll probably gain a couple hundred pounds of payload. The problem with a Silverado is you only have 5 seats, maybe 6 if you get a bench in the front but it's not very comfortable. Most people don't have a family of 8, but a lot of people have 3-4 kids but cramping them all in the back seat of a truck isn't that much fun on a long road trip. With this Tahoe everyone can get a window seat and not sit in the middle, if there's only 3 kids someone can sleep in the 3rd row, you can get 2 TV's in them, and you have a trunk for a suitcase that's secured and isn't an open truck bed. Plus, for the 98% of the other driving it won't be towing and you can seat 8 people in it and use it to go get groceries and what not without it being a truck.

@@bryanhersman4037 But loading eight passengers and NOT towing (or towing without a max load of passengers) is what plenty of people will do with that vehicle. Maybe the Tahoe doesn't do both together very well but honestly I don't see it being called upon to perform your scenario very often.

I’d argue the V8 is but I can’t deny the diesel does do more than the 6.2 V8

@Bill Madd lol

@Bill Madd lol... you the Man bro.... lol

Check out the belt driven oil pump on the back of the engine. Not smart engineering.

@@timholmes4396 I know...its the big defect that we have seen here. Cant help to think, why not just put a good old chain driven pump? the only answer I can think of is because it will start to last as long as Toyotas with regular maintenance... regardless the change is after 150k miles, I do enjoy a road trip but I average less than 5K miles a year so....

Land yachts.

It's impressive! Downside is that it's twice as expensive and requires a belt service like a timing belt - but on the back, so you have to remove the engine to access or pull the transmission out the bottom every 150k miles. So a lot of the fuel savings get eaten up by extra maintenance costs. And that sucks. Without that major design fail - it would be a fantastic engine.

@@MrJcjet Mine only has 76k miles. 😂

@@MrJcjet Agree it's a silly design but by then I would replace the Tahoe with 10,000 miles per year.

sadly this wil never happen again, the 2500 platforms uses a solid axle. gone are teh days of them throwing a surbuan on a 2500 chasis. the now flat rear floor requires IRS.

@@cordellroberson532 - Last I knew there was still a Suburban 3500(yes 3500) HD, but it's not available to the public new, just government agencies.

@@dustintunis9347 not on the new body style.

@@cordellroberson532 - I just googled it and you're right, 2019 was the last year of it.

@Me. Me yes, would be a dream. But will likely never happen again 🤷‍♂️

$80k for a chevy is a pretty tough sell. You can get big audi/bmw/mercedes suvs for that price. You really have to be a car guy to understand the price of this tahoe.

It will never happen, they are racking in the money now and will be expected each year for more.

Did you actually means suvs? Cuz sedans by comparison are cheaper

@@spikeimperial i mean yeah sedans are cheaper lol but vans/suvs are expensive. Resgrdless of trim you decide on they’re expensive. Off course I can buy a sedan but what about those of us who need trucks or suvs? They’re practically the same price too

@@JM-it2zo buy a sedan and a cheap used truck for when you need it mate, people for some reason need their trucks to be luxury vehicles now to be daily driven, y we need to daily drive a truck

@@marklion315 agreed! Although even older trucks here are going for thousands! I want an old beat up fixer upper really.

I just recently bought a 6x12 enclosed single axle and behind my F-150 at sea level and 70mph my mpg tanked from 19.8 w/no trailer (I'm running bigger, heavier tires and rims than factory so it dropped me below 20) to 10 with it. I crafted a "V-nose" mod for the trailer and lowered my speed to 65 and brought the mpg up to 13.3 empty. Aero drag is CRAAAAAZY when you get over 55 with any kind of enclosed trailer. I knew going in that it'd hurt my mpg but I didn't know it would cut it IN HALF.

I had a Chevy 6.6 2500 and I went from the stock 245 tires to 285's and It killed my fuel mileage by about 5 to 6 mpg empty. I went back to 265's when I bought tires again and picked up 3 mpg better. And I could tell a big difference in power with the bigger tires and it was real bad when towing my camper especially on the interstate in overdrive. I will never put bigger tires on any vehicle again.

@@keffjames2747 Ya mine came with 245/70/17s and I swapped to 285/50/20s on 20" aftermarket rims. Weight of each wheel went from 51# to 75# and mpg dropped about 2mpg both city and hwy.

Yep it's crazy how something with that much power and torque is affected by a larger tire.

@@jldude84 yup its a kite you are dragging. its not just the front of the trailer its the vacuum that is created behind the trailer. in some cases V nose trailer hurt mileage. it really depends on the cross wind. backing off your speed will make the biggest difference. i bet you would see another big jump if you went all the way down to 62mph. its really progressive once you get up over 50mph. think of boats its a very similar concept. a off shore boat might go 73mph with 350 hp. if you want to make that same boat go 90 you might need to double to power to get that extra 20mph. then and the power add to get to the next 20mph might need to 4x.

Yeah what was that? Didn’t look like he was turning

Lol. That is very odd indeed. Looks like he is just driving normally and his steering wheel is upside down.

They make lots of them. they just don't sell them in the United States unfortunately. They are not clean enough for our emissions standards. Toyota said a few years ago that it would cost approximately $8,000 per vehicle more in sale price to justify a diesel engine emissions setup. And that for almost any driver, the extra cost could not be justified in fuel savings. Supposedly the new tundra hybrid will get very close to 30 mpg. if that's the case and it's also more powerful and cheaper than the diesel option, I think that will be a winner. I love the idea of this new GM inline six diesel, but it has some very poor internal engineering. The oil pump is mounted on the back of the engine and uses a belt to drive it. And that belt has to be replaced at about 100,000 mi. The way that they designed that system requires the engine to be removed in order to do the belt swap because you have to separate the transmission from the engine to remove or install the belt. I cannot figure out why you would design such a stupid system. But what that means is these GM diesels are going to require about a $3,000 belt change at 100,000 mi. That's just stupid.

I tow over 300 days of the year so I can justify my Duramax and with the added complexity of the new diesels I'm trading in every 5-6 years. Nice thing about a diesel is they hold their value, on my 2014 GMC Sierra with the Duramax I only lost $12k in value after a little over 5 years of ownership. I had it paid off and when I traded in for my new GMC Sierra Denali HD with the Duramax it was nice to have such a big chunk of that new loan paid off from my trade value.

@@OneNationUnderGod. I am not 100 percent on the trade in value argument. I have owned diesels two of last three trucks You get more for trade in but we are paying 10k more when we buy them. I bought my 17 ram for 64000 traded it in in 18 for 49. If we keep them 5 years math works better. But we are only getting the money we paid back. But if we need them we need them i agree with that. I tow a 8500 lb travel trailer prob 8 weekends a summer i tow a tractor and skid steer prob 2 times a month rest is snow mobiles quads dump trailer. Diesel does it better for sure. But a 7.3 with 4.30 would do all of that just fine. I have a 1990 bronco 5.0 that if it doesnt run needs a batter. Look under the hood of a modern diesel and that will not be the case for my 2019 Powerstroke in 2030

But power is addicting

@@WinningDeadlyEncounters I upgraded from a Silverado with the 6.0L gas engine and that power train did well enough for my business but I nearly doubled my mpg going to the Duramax while towing. I should also add I've been buying my GM pickups as the new model is coming out and the current model is nicely discounted, my new $2019 GMC Sierra Denali HD had an MSRP of $75k and I bought it for $65k. If I had waited one more month I could have probably gotten a better deal but I really wanted the Red Quartz paint color and the one I bought was the last one in Colorado with all the options I wanted. Right now my exact same pickup on the used market is going for $63-65k and I have to laugh.

I was told up to 5 for my Suburban High Country I ordered this week. The wait might kill me.

Ordered yesterday and told to expect 8 to 10 weeks.

Isn’t that the truth! I loved my 5th gen t4r. Give me a modern power plant and transmission and Id keep it forever.

Toyota already made the Land Cruiser 4.5l v8 diesel since 2010 in Asian and Australia

In my country we have a lot of modern diesels of different brands, they are not good as they used to be. Sure, good fuel economy and good torque, but reliability and durability is not the same.

In europe previously Citroen, Peugeot and Volvo offered hybrid diesels :-)

I've made that same argument regarding hybrids. You pay $10k+ premium for saving a couple bucks, That $10k buys a LOT of fuel.

@@chucklesthefireguy5356 haha it's dumb man. They could at least offer this engine in their more base models and then people would actually consider buying them. *Andre is wrong, they do offer the diesel on lower trim models. From Chevy "The 3.0L Duramax turbo-diesel is available on the LS, LT, RST and Premier trims with an MSRP3 of $995 over the base 5.3L V-8 gas engine. It is also available in the High Country trim as a $1,500 MSRP decrease over the standard 6.2L V-8 gas engine."

@@chucklesthefireguy5356 I don't own a hybrid or a diesel, but some people simply don't want to use/burn a LOT of fuel.

@@jza80king They do offer the diesel in their base models. It's a $995 option.

Lots of people with too much money and not enough brains. For $80k I can buy a lot of gas for my 88 F250's thirsty 460 V8.

Awfully big difference in those two numbers. I have a gas f250. Only 5 miles difference when towing.

@@thejuiceisloose8703 Our work fleet gas F-250s & F-350s only get 3-4 MPG pulling a light 5000-6000LB cargo trailer. LOL what a joke! Oh and they are gutless!

@@kgb5351 either there is something wrong with all of those trucks or that is strictly in town, low speed and a lot of idling to get that low of mileage. Most of my towing was light city and highway. I avoided traffic as much as possible. Usually average around 8 to 11. Enclosed 7x12 v-nose anywhere from 5k to 7k on a daily basis. And not once have I felt like my truck was gutless as you say. I've been at max payload(19,500) on multiple occasions and never felt like the 6.2 was underpowered.

@@thejuiceisloose8703 5mpg difference when you pull 80% of your truck max towing capacity? The Tahoe pull 6500 lbs of 8000 lbs capacity. All it's relative.

@@jean-francoisfortier8727 I've pulled my max capacity a few times and the mileage difference was still a 5mpg difference. But I wasn't sitting in stop and go traffic either. Mostly highway and very little city.

Exactly. This vehicle is not for me, but boatloads will probably sell (in this trim and probably a trim almost as expensive). The market is there right now.

Sooo, next year?

Was going to ask the same thing. I know they have a smaller diesel in the Colorados that seem to have decent reliability

@@andrewcarlson2178 I've heard hit or miss things about the baby duramax reliability. Unfortunately, all the modern smog controls really drag the reliability down on modern diesels.

The computer will detect less oxygen in the cylinders due to high elevation and inject more diesel into the cylinders to make up for the loss of oxygen. Winter and summer diesel only differentiate in the amount of paraffin in the fuel.

The diesel is $980 more than the 5.3 in an SLT.

@@courtneyanderson2293 yeah so we’re paying more money for diesel engine to get similar mpg buying a pricier fuel vs getting the 5.3 v8.

@@KoliaMtl do you get 28-30 mpg on the highway? I have 4 yukons, 2 older 5.3 and 2 newer 6.2. The 6.2 are both 20% better on fuel that the 5.3s and I expect the 3.0 duramax one I ordered to be 20-30% better than the 6.2s. I rarely tow with them, but run about 60,000 miles a year with them and 5-8 mpg is a huge savings. Should be approaching 50% better on fuel than my 5.3 yukons so they will likely be sold or just used locally. A 2018 5.3 should be much better on fuel than my 08 and 12 though, so likely not worth upgrading to a diesel or another gas. If you are upgrading, it would be worth looking at the diesel then. At $5-7,000 in fuel savings a year, it's a no brainer for me.

@@courtneyanderson2293 I get 24mpg cruising at 75mph. My best is 28mpg over 100 miles.

@@KoliaMtl That's decent. Keep in mind that these weigh 400 lbs more than a truck so use a little more fuel. I get 22.5 in the summer with the 6.2s and the baby duramax should get 28 in those conditions. I'm a 1,000 mile round trip to the city and do that 50-60 times a year and I'm currently paying $1.699/liter ($6.42/gallon) with another fuel tax increase coming it will soon be $1.739 ($6.58/gallon). It'll be around $3-400/month fuel savings next year and when the carbon tax reaches a further 11 cents in the coming years it'll be closer to $500/month.

Extra price? There is no difference in cost between the 3.0 and 6.2. I have 2 Yukon XLs with the 6.2l and the 3.0 Caddy is coming in the next week or so. I run 60,000+ miles on them in a year and fully expect my fuel bill to drop around $5500 a year. Oil pump belt will probably run 200,000 miles without issue and the moment it fails the dash lights up and you shut it off. I expect to change it once or twice in the next 5-8 years and it will owe me nothing.

Modern diesels since 2007 have emitted LESS particulates than gas engines thanks to the advent and mandate of diesel particulate filters in the exhaust. It's NOx that diesels struggle with most. NOx is what VW was found cheating back in 2015. At the same time the regulations from 2009 required NOx levels 10 times lower than early to mid 2000s regulations... Ever since the cheating scandal, diesels have had to go through an impossible to cheat on-road emissions analysis test by CARB and EPA to obtain certification. So rest assured, any diesel after that scandal left the factory being a properly squeaky clean diesel.

You need to consider Florida is at sea level and Colorado is thousands of feet above sea level, we lose hp, torque and mpg up here due to less oxygen in the air. Forced induction helps with our altitude but we're still at s disadvantage.

@One Nation Under God, sure of course I realize that it goes without saying. What many don’t realize is that years ago supercharger and Turbochargers were first referred to as "altitude compensators" by name.

3.5L EB isn't premium anything, except premium expenses when it blows up.

@@wildbill23c lol and yet they’ve cranked out millions of them over the last 10 years. Keep posting that same overused shtick. Sound like a fudd. But “muh v8”...

@LA FLAMA BLANCA so what’s a “high-end” engine oh wise one?

I mean VW didn't tarnish them, in fact most people want a VW with out the update. They got better fuel mileage than advertised and had less issues maintenance-wise. The EPA are the ones that tarnished diesels in general.

vw didn’t hurt diesels, gm in the eighties then the ford 6.0 and 6.4 debacles. Those hurt diesel reputations worse than anything. The eco diesel hasn’t been very impressive either.

@Robert Navarra It was a major publicized scandal called "Dieselgate." Through secret software alterations of test vehicles (if I recall) VW was able to meet pollution standards. The cars sold to consumers, however, did not have that. In the aftermath of the investigations and all the negative publicity, almost all the cars were purchased back from owners by VW and the company ended up paying at least $1BILLION in fines.

What car carries 8 people and can tow 8000lbs though?

@@ALMX5DP stupid excuse for a stupid vehicle, how often are you gonna lug 8 people around? Besides, diesel is dirty is stinks/pollutes like crazy

@@mikeh.8155 kinda up to the individual purchasing to decide what fits their needs or wants. And I think you have a very outdated perception of diesel, modern engines are quite clean (and actually produce less CO2 per unit of fuel compared to gasoline, though do have a slightly elevated NOx comparatively).

@@mikeh.8155 Definitely an outdated thought process. I still have people at the pump trying to save me from putting Diesel in my EcoDiesel because they can't tell the difference. I'm completely sold on diesel suvs for fuel mileage, driving range and torque that just doesn't stop

@@iggy-pg6gq right, diesel is soooo clean - that's why more and more European cities are banning them. You must really love nitrogen oxides.

Thank you for watching.

Anyone crack the ecu yet? Its getting harder and harder.

They haven’t updated the site yet. The order books opened 10/29.

They didn’t. It’s still on them.

@@DCMacGuy Really TFL showed a 2021 z71 they put it to a test and nothing happened they said no auto locker thanks for the information and have a Merry Christmas