Don't RISK your photos & videos: Get a NAS today!

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Photographers and videographers create INCREDIBLE amounts of data over their lifetime. Tony & Chelsea Northrup have already generated about 125 TERABYTES of data.
Managing that data can be difficult, and if you don't do it right, you'll inevitably lose your photos and videos to damaged disks or corrupted files. Backing up to a USB drive isn't enough, because all drives suffer from bitrot over time, where files become spontaneously corrupted to do the fact that storage can randomly flip bits in data.
Even backups to a standard RAID aren't enough, because those files can become corrupted, too. The Synology NAS Tony uses and recommends support BTRFS and data scrubbing, which regularly scans the disk for any corruption and repairs it using parity data. Tony's even configured his NAS for 2-drive fault tolerance, so that if TWO drives fail at the same time, the system keeps running.
Synology also provides a powerful software platform that synchronizes files to your computer (Synology Drive) or to cloud services, such as DropBox or Google Drive. Tony uses this to transfer files to from his Mac, to the NAS, and then to Google Drive so remote video editors from around the world can access it at high-speed. They return the files simply by copying them back to Google Drive, where the Synology NAS ensures they're backed up and waiting on his Mac.
0:00 Introduction
1:15 What is a NAS (Network Attached Storage)
1:41 How a NAS saves you money
2:05 Overview of our 250TB NAS system
2:40 How to Replace a Failed Drive
3:13 Expanding Storage
3:47 Preventing Corruption with BTRFS & Data Scrubbing
4:37 NAS vs Cloud Storage
5:46 Backups from computers & phones to a NAS
6:50 Recommended NAS: Synology DS223
7:22 Recommended NAS: Synology DS1522+
8:37 Disaster Recovery with HyperBackup & Snapshot Replication
9:45 Summary

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@GrantSR 7 месяцев назад

I think it would be good to do an ongoing series about the tech backend of being a creator. You've got storage. But you really need to go into detail on backup and backup strategies for many different user scenarios. From occasional hobbyists and family photographers, to wedding photographers, to small RU-vidrs, to big channels like yours. You are one of the few photography RU-vidrs who have the background to truly understand these concepts well enough to explain it all in enough detail to actually be useful, while also explaining it in a way that novices will understand. I've seen other photography RU-vidrs try to explain backups, but they ultimately fall on their faces because they don't really know what they are talking about.

@alexblank91 7 месяцев назад

I'm reasonably certain GeraldUndone has a video (or more than one) on this.

@carlosv1691 7 месяцев назад

I would like to find more detail on specific raid setups for a nas you want to expand. Tony mention having to drives then expanding how does that affect the raid form? Do you have to make an in software adjustment beyond expanding into a new drive?

@grahamniven 7 месяцев назад

@@carlosv1691 the RAID that Tony spoke about in this video is SHR (Synology Hybrid RAID) it’s completely plug and play, you can use mismatched drives in any amount and add or remove them on the fly.

@GrantSR 7 месяцев назад

@@alexblank91 the only thing I could find on his channel was one review of three different NAS units.

@alexblank91 7 месяцев назад

@@GrantSR I'll see if I can dig up something more. He's done so many videos over the years, but I suspect it may have been in one of his live streams

@Oobert 7 месяцев назад

FYI, if you don't have any off-site copy, your backup is at risk of two common issues. 1) fire, 2) lightning/power surge. I didn't do off-site copies... Until my house was hit by lightning. At a minimum, make a copy and store it at a friend's house or safety deposit box. As Tony said, there are non cloud solutions to do off-site backups.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

Yeah I keep a second NAS at a family members house and synchronize it over the Internet.

@bobtheis4924 7 месяцев назад

Indeed, in our company, we make "Fire Copies." I.E. Offsite backups.

@arvidjohansson3120 7 месяцев назад

This is bad advise, putting a hard drive away for 5 years in a safety deposit box will not protect against bit rot. It needs to be actively managed for data integrity. One might trust optical archival storage, for long term unmanaged storage. Easiest is just to get Backblaze NAS backup.

@Oobert 7 месяцев назад

@@arvidjohansson3120 It is incomplete, I agree. However, in my experience, people are generally not as tech savvy as Tony, you or I. This advice is where to start and because this is the comment section of a RU-vid video, it is missing nuance and completeness. For anyone reading this, in the storage world, three copies of data, with one copy being off-site is the starting point for long term backups. A good cloud based service will make multiple copies and geographically distribute them while also checking to make sure the data isn't gone bad. The easiest way, that I have found, for people who don't want to or can afford a cloud based service is to rotate two external storage drives between the home and somewhere else. Ideally once month. This would be a starting point to build up to something better.

@billj5645 7 месяцев назад

Until recently I was able to take a backup copy to my office and lock it in my desk. Now that I'm among the people who is almost completely working from home this is no longer an option. I haven't figured out how to do an offsite copy otherwise but I'm considering cloud storage as an option.

@trinitysite72 7 месяцев назад

Hi, Tony! Lee here, the Deaf guy who sent you an appreciative email about adding close captions to the videos of yours. Back to subject at hand, I've known about NAS for decades and never really understood the functionality of it. A frat brother of mine who worked in networking since the 80s and I recall he was raving about NAS several times and I had no clue what it -really- is. Thanks to you, I'm getting the idea of how it works and I'm gonna dig deep into this because I have lost data ages ago - priceless data (wedding photos, for a start). And that sinking feeling is not something I wish to experience again. Thanks for showing hopes of data-saving acquisition!

@Talwyn_Wize 7 месяцев назад

I have a QNAP as well as a dropbox account for 15TB. I've had two NAS fail (not the drives, but the NAS itself) and corrupt *all* the drives. Sent them in for backup rescue, but couldn't be saved. So I now use a local NAS for daily video work that cloud can't help with, and a dropbox doing backup on the NAS.

@gordonelwell7084 7 месяцев назад

One of your most important videos yet! I learned in the Air Force how important RAID technology was. We had an aircraft that needed word-wide digital mapping data available at a moment's notice (while airborne). Each aircraft had a carry-on RAID capability that integrated the aircraft data system with 72 TB of online storage, with multiple redundancies (giving us about 60 TB of unique storage files). Every one of our planes had this, and prior to or after each sortie the entire RAID system was brought into the squadron and refreshed with the latest data. To say that the RAID array was critical would be a gross understatement. Keep up the good work. This was a great video . . .

@rickdeckard9810 7 месяцев назад

Quick story on my 1815+ Synology NAS, it's an 8-bay I bought years ago for a client and then one day the motherboard failed and the NAS was rendered useless despite having RAID 5, the whole unit wasn't working so called Synology, this was on a Friday, they shipped me a new unit by air immediately free of charge, received on Saturday, rebuilt array over the weekend and back operational by Monday morning. This after warranty had expired... and I don't remember having the ship my old defective one back I probably did after everything was settled. I have to say I was pretty impressed, they obviously knew how mission critical people's data was, they may not do this for every model but it's the only time I can remember that a company pulled through for me. Another note was I used to use Rsync to sync (in real-time) to a remote NAS, loved that feature but looks like that's no longer supported.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

Great story!

@rickdeckard9810 7 месяцев назад

@@TonyAndChelsea Not shilling really happened years ago, appreciated them for that, it saved my ass.

@andybarnard4575 7 месяцев назад

Have a look at syncthing, its related to rsync but I prefer it to rsync for offsite backup as it traverses firewalls and NAT more automatically.

@renestaempfli1071 7 месяцев назад

Just use any LINUX distro and rsnapshot which uses rsync. But this may not be for the fainthearted photographer with unsufficient IT knowledge.

@rickdeckard9810 7 месяцев назад

@@andybarnard4575 Looks good thanks for sharing!

@clausandersen2856 7 месяцев назад

I totally agree with you, Tony. I bought my Synology NAS 11 years ago. Has worked impeccably since then.

@capoman1 7 месяцев назад

This guy reminds me of an infomercial salesman.

@StudioXSMP 7 месяцев назад

I’ve had two 8 disc NAS units die on me. Trying to resurrect the second since it’s out of warranty. Buyer beware .

@NetcodeLLC 7 месяцев назад

What a great video. This is the first time I have ever even seen you on youtube... Like you I am a power user of Synology Nas and I just have to say, this was such a terrific video. Easy to understand, pleasant to watch, and most importantly just a great bit of information for people who create a lot of content / data. Thank you! Well done.

@aps5150 7 месяцев назад

8:38 is the very important part, everyone! Excellent reminders in this video. I had data on an iMac internal drive and lost it all when the drive failed. Years later had other data on an external USB drive until it was pulled off of a low table when the cable was pulled accidentally. The drive never started up again. Now my Synology NAS is doing great at data loss but I don't yet replicate it anywhere else.

@skesinis 7 месяцев назад

Thank you Tony for that video! I’ve got a 1618+ back in 2018 which I filled with 4TB drives at the time, and it’s now full, but I can still expand it with 2 more expansions, or bigger drives if I want. I didn’t know about the data scrubbing feature, so I just enabled it, and I hope I didn’t do that too late… I’ve been following your channel for 10 years now, and I always keep learning something.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

Glad to help! You could also replace your existing drives with bigger drives (one at a time) but yeah an expansion bay is probably easier.

@skesinis 7 месяцев назад

@@TonyAndChelsea The funny thing is, that whenever my friends had lost their data, I was able to recover them, but whenever I’ve lost mine in the past, it was done in such a catastrophic way, that my skills would be useless to recover them either entirely, or even partially in some cases… Murphy’s law when it comes to that is a thing! :)

@Rosyna 7 месяцев назад

One thing you always have to remember about RAID (is *NOT* a backup solution) is that it is not a backup solution. If a file gets corrupted (say, via a bug in the software on the originating computer), it’ll happily replicate that corrupted file.

@mjpt57 7 месяцев назад

Great advice. I have a Synology 4 bay NAS with WD "Red" NAS HDDs (4x2tb). I regularly back up the important directories off of it to a pair of WD Elements AC powered portable 3tb HDDs. The NAS is on an UPS so it's protected from power spikes and surges that invariably follow a power outage and suddent restoration (most local distribution power lines have auto-reclose circuit breakers so you'd see a power off/on once or twice and if the fault hasn't cleared then it's off til the power company can do repairs).

@dsimon9s29 3 месяца назад

Thanks for posting. I just lost my NAS (10 years old). Two drives out of four went kaput without warning. It contained roughly 6TB of mostly photographs. Fortunately, I had a backup NAS. In additional, also have a HDD as a third backup, which I keep in the bank and update about once a month. So no data lost.(If I had lost data you would have read in the papers: "Hubby Looses HDD, wife shoots HDD, arrested for HDD abuse". News at 11pm) Instead of getting a replacement NAS, I opted instead for a 16TB external HDD by OWC. So far so good. At the moment, I have NAS, 12TB, backing up to a 16TB HDD (dual disk), and to a 6tb HDD.

@ecmjr 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Tony and crew. This is very insightful.

@remi4020 7 месяцев назад

I've been using QNAP 4-bay NAS'es for many years now, RAID-5. Had disk failures, but no data loss. Additionally I have a 2-bay "NAS" in RAID-1 configuration, used for manual backups for the most sensitive data. A NAS is the best thing since sliced bread, honestly. 😁

@p.burley4533 7 месяцев назад

I’ve been looking for this type of solution. Thanks!

@willlund2185 7 месяцев назад

I have a synology 4-bay and it has been a lifesaver. It was a little of a learning curve when I started, but I'm convinced it's how I need to operate from now on. Time to get an expansion unit.

@ANSWERTHECALLOFJESUSCHRIST 7 месяцев назад

Man, I got sick and tired of the camera and lens race years ago, and only watch this channel because I love Tony and Chelsea, but this video spoke to me. I'm gonna get me that DS223 and a couple of good 10TB drives at the least. I don't save much of what I shoot, but I do keep in SSDs and USB drives some data, plus my valued pictures and RAW files I wouldn't be able to replicate and would cry over if I lost them to bit rot. Thanks for this video, Tony.

@photoquent 7 месяцев назад

I bought a five drive Synology NAS drive a couple of years ago after I lost my main drive and its back up. I use a Synology Hybrid Raid 2, which is RAID 2. Super simple to set up and probably the best bit of kit I have ever bought.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

Yeah it's amazing. You know I'm a fanatic for the latest and greatest gadgets, but the two oldest bits of tech in my kit are the Synology NAS and my 16-year old Toyota pickup. Synology offered to send me a new NAS and I declined because mine is going fine! It's just solid.

@timlaunyc 7 месяцев назад

SHR2 is RAID 6, 2 drive parity.

@57JackCaptainSparrow 2 месяца назад

I spent 30 years as an IT manager for a National Weapons Laboratory research facility in the east SF bay. I know the value of a redundant backup systems and periodic trial restore exercises. It is not enough to have a robust backup strategy without periodically testing the restore capability. Also, having an off-site repository of your data ensures a reliable recovery in case of catastrophic events. I have had QNAP NAS servers for over 15 years for my own personal data and am a believer. My backup QNAP server has a backup server, so I feel pretty confident knowing my 60TB of data is going nowhere. This technology has come down so much in price, and the sense of security is priceless.

@MrCNMW 7 месяцев назад

Was looking for this video. Great content as usual..thnx

@MartianCitizen 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Tony. This is really important stuff to know. My daughter gave me Passport as storage and back up of photo files, etc. etc. It failed. Passport the company stoped giving updates and I could not access the device to the files...it sits on my desk as a reminder of not to trust storage devices or the companies who make them. Redundancy is the key as you have taught us through the years. Now, I just have to save up the money...nuts. As always keep the good work and keep'em flying...👽👽👽👽👽

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

Ugh sorry to hear that!!

@user-wn8rr5hh3p 5 месяцев назад

Informative as always. Thank You

@snoopywalker1881 7 месяцев назад

Tony, Great info and thanks for explaining all this. Planning to buy a NAS ...was window shopping a few days ago ....your video was valuable ...plan to buy now.

@kdogbigdog 7 месяцев назад

Almost my entire career has been around selling enterprise class storage with my side hustle and passion being photography. I have had NAS devices, file servers, eterenal hard drives, etc. However I now have everything on Amazon Photos. Unlimited Capacity, Fast and easy retrieval, user friendly interface and if you are a Prime member it is free. Might not be a solution for those with video but for still photography it is perfect. Built on AWS S3 with 11 nine durability, millisecond latency, and accessibile from any device it is a no brainer.

@charlieross-BRM 7 месяцев назад

I just went to Prime level last month. I'll look into it. I had an ASUS account for years but it got expensive and SLOW! In house I am still at the stage of reminding myself to shuffle off copies to external USB drives with the cheapo utility SyncToy; then that drive is unplugged drive until the next time which is when I get home from a shoot.

@shadowr2d2 7 месяцев назад

Thank you for posting this video 🎉. You have a new subscriber. Keep up the great 👍 work. Thank you for explaining so much to us. Happy 😆 Thanksgiving..

@TheDroneAngle 7 месяцев назад

I built a NAS a few months ago, out of an old computer. I have ended up with Google and Dropbox accounts that I was hoping to eventually get rid of, since I use them only for transferring files to customers. I just haven't figured out how to safely give access to parts of it yet, from outside my network. It's only 2 pools right now, 1 2 tByte and one 8. (2-2tbye drives and 2 8). I eventually hope to increase it once I figure out how to set it up properly. I only have about 15 tbytes total that I feel the need to back up right now though. Very timely and important video for many of us!.

@donwhite332 7 месяцев назад

It was a video of yours maybe a year or two ago that prompted me to switch from DROBO to Synology, particularly since the DROBO guys were obviously on the rocks. I use 4 DS 1821+ units. One set rotates to a bank safety deposit box and one lives in a fire resistant file cabinet in my basement and one is my main catalog to work from. I only have about 40TB of data but always growing. The Synology works way more consistently and flawlessly than the DROBO. It just works. Good advice to get a Synology. Now if I could only get paid to say that.

@DDHDTV 7 месяцев назад

been eyeing a NAS for quite some time now. glad you showed this from a photographer / consumer POV. reddit and other videos are all from tech geeks and don’t really make it understandable for me

@karlosss1868 7 месяцев назад

Many people have multiple hard drives in a PC to do just this however NAS has huge benefits. Buying one and then hoping to be able to understand & configue it all seem overwhelming. It would be awesome to see a video to show how its all done.

@jeffmartin738 7 месяцев назад

Would love to see you do a video on the basics of setting up a NAS. Thanks for another great video.

@zundapp529able 7 месяцев назад

I use a NAS sinds 14 years, for now i own a Synology DS1821+ as the main nas. A DS414+ at my parents their home as backup (sync) and a usb drive that is attached to the main NAS that makes a copy every night. Works like a charm..

@mikehines14 7 месяцев назад

A few years ago I lost a hard drive full of photos and shed many tears. I did some research and ended up getting a NAS and configuring it in raid 1 so the hard drives are redundant. Best move I've ever made for my photos!

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

Good work! Be sure you have BTRFS and data scrubbing to prevent bitrot, which can still happen with RAID.

@mikehines14 7 месяцев назад

@@TonyAndChelsea great advice, thank you!!

@AAPSG 7 месяцев назад

Agree 100%, I'm running 2 DS1019+, 5 10tb drives each, 1 for RAW and 1 for edits, plans to add expansion units to each

@NipkowDisk 7 месяцев назад

Just assembled a four-drive NAS a couple of weeks ago with a total of 29.1 TB formatted storage in a RAID 10 configuration. I have files going back 20-plus years and figured it was time to consolidate, reorganize, and archive the virtual digital spaghetti bowl I've created; the NAS is ideal for this task IMO.

@boostedmaniac 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for posting! I was thinking about replacing my old NAS.

@Lyunpaw 7 месяцев назад

Self Hosting for the win. Own your data folks. Good job Tony; much respect for the video.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

Much appreciated!

@funknick 7 месяцев назад

Listen to Tony folks. I'm a software engineer who has seen data loss happen at both the consumer and enterprise level. It can happen to anyone, and when it does, it's devastating. If you're a creator, do yourself a favour and invest in a NAS to backup your vital files. It is vital to your business. Also, as you get larger jobs, it may even become a requirement from your clients before they're willing to work with you. They want assurances that you've already set up a process of backups so there cannot be a catastrophic failure during a critical project (source: working with VFX firms producing content for large film studios).

@PhotoTrekr 7 месяцев назад

I'm an amateur and even I use mirrored drives in my Synology NAS. I do use hard drives which, as Tony mentioned, are incredibly cheap compared to SSD drives. So far, no failures. A lifetime of photos/memories are in that box.

@danielmitchel1189 7 месяцев назад

Thank you for the reminder. Do you have a recommendation for hard drives to work with synology?

@miker8000 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Tony. Good work as always. I wish you had at least given a nod to security risks with a NAS. Such risks are both real and substantial, and are essential to the decision re using a NAS. Even a basic intro to the subject is incomplete without this. Thanks again for your efforts.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

Well, all storage has security risks. Synology has a great write-up here: kb.synology.com/en-us/DSM/tutorial/How_to_add_extra_security_to_your_Synology_NAS I feel like the Synology NAS is way more secure than a regular drive connected to your computer. Ours uses 2 factor authentication, but also versioning and off-site snapshot replication backups that should allow us to roll-back even if we do get compromised by something like ransomware.

@georgerady9706 7 месяцев назад

Or simply keep the NAS off the net… Don’t configure the NAS so it can be accessed outside of its own hardware. Can a hacker reach your NAS via the computer? Yes! Simple way to avoid that is DO NOT GO ONLINE while working on your NAS! Keep communication on a smartphone (NOT connected to the computer) It would take a very sophisticated hack to try to gain access to your NAS - asynchronously - and those people are working on banks! 😁

@andpenn 7 месяцев назад

Agree that Synology NAS is a great solution. I have one that is still going strong after 10 years of continuous use. Using the Synology drive client to sync a large hard drive on the PC also provides a significant performance boost to the editing software compared to working directly from the network drive.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

Yeah that's how I use it for our video production-working locally with continually synced folders.

@markjsc 7 месяцев назад

GREAT stuff, Tony (and Chelsea)! I think I have the same 8-bay Synology that you showed (DS1817+). It's been absolutely fantastic, giving me peace of mind as well as quick access to all of my files. My primary use case (besides hobbyist photography and basic file backup) is being able to view photos and videos on all of my devices, including on Apple TVs. For backup, I also use Synology Hybrid Raid (with only 4 drives in my 8-bay unit), then Hyper Backup to an attached USB drive; finally, I use Cloud Sync to Backblaze B2 for off-site. My only ongoing cost is about $6-7 per month for Backblaze, depending on how much capacity I use. I just can't overstate the importance of storage and backups for everyone who values their digital assets - especially photographers and creators!!

@AndrejsZavadskis 7 месяцев назад

Setting up a NAS might seem straightforward for tech enthusiasts, but it does require a bit of IT know-how for others. Security is a major concern, and without proper education, it's true that there's a risk of potential hacking. Additionally, when you factor in the cost of hard drives, NAS setups can get expensive. For those looking for a simpler and possibly more cost-effective solution, online cloud storage is a viable alternative. It's user-friendly, and the convenience it offers might outweigh the complexities of managing a NAS setup. It really comes down to personal preference and comfort level with technology.

@Rustee_Blade_Paul 7 месяцев назад

wow I remember 15 yrs ago I worked with a team organising data recovery resilience for British Telecom and we did just that we had banks of Petabyte drives in Scotland Wales and England to create a proper disaster recovery system, I guess its still going now im retired now, I keep thinking about a NAS but I stopped selling images some time ago and (touch wood) Ive never lost a drive, ive had old drives that start to run slow so ive replaced with more solid state, maybe just been lucky Thanks for the Vid Tony always informative and concise :)

@vincentlim7068 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Tony. Im finally convinced to go for the NAS. I had HDD failed and all 12 days worth of photographs were gone. The problem im facing and many others as well: is the set up process. Do you think you have time to do a video on a complete guide to set up the NAS, especially on the 8 bay. Much appreciated, thanks so much. Vincent from Singapore.

@thebeardsgarage 7 месяцев назад

Cannot stress the importance of two locations. I lost my NAS in a house fire last year. 48tb gone. The photo albums from the 70’s survived somehow though!

@RogerGood100 7 месяцев назад

I have been using Synology NAS for 10 years. Started with a single DS1813 and have added 2 additional units over time. The list of other features that are invaluable to photographers could be the subject of a few more videos as well

@szubal 7 месяцев назад

I have been working on getting one, thank you for the input. Ummmm did you edit differently? The colors really seem to pop in this video.

@timishii170 7 месяцев назад

Tony great information! Pricing NAS now.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

Good choice! Be sure to think ahead at least 10 years when sizing max capacity because these have a really long lifespan.

@ErichMielke-jg4ew 7 месяцев назад

This is very good logic presented in the video and of course you should use nas , redunancy and all of that when making backup. There is on thing though: all these ( main and extensions ) are in one place - suppose the house catches fire or some other calamity happens and you lose all your stuff. That basically amounts to keeping all eggs in one basket - that is why you have to replicate all this stuff to another place to be a bit more secure.

@xhenriquefps 7 месяцев назад

Great video, Tony! I’ve actually considered getting a NAS for myself a few times. I’m kind of tech nerd so that’s part of the reason why But I don’t have enough data to justify getting a huge Nas, I would probably get something with two hard drive slots, get two 4tb or 8tb hard drives, and have one of them as a duplicate to the other for redundancy. I’m also not a video content creator, it would be mainly for stills, so I think this kind of storage would be enough for me for a long time

@robertgrenader858 7 месяцев назад

Whatever the cost of setting up a dual-drive mirroring NAS, it is far less expensive than losing all your content.

@DDHDTV 7 месяцев назад

same boat! also, RAID is actually only for redundancy. so if you don’t mind having a bit of downtime, you could just rebuild from a backup. for that you could just use like those 40 bucks drive bays, where it creates a 1:1 copy from one Harddrive to the other. no network connection obvoiusly

@ToddPangburn 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for this video. I have questions about off-site backup. For a setup where you buy a second NAS and set it up at a relative or friends house, does either location need special Internet connectivity (e.g. higher bandwidth, static IP, etc.)? Second, am I likely to run into problems if my backup partner is fairly tech illiterate?

@macjeffff 7 месяцев назад

I loved my Drobo for years, but the company went bankrupt. The unit still works, but I think I'll switch now to Synology. I didn't realize they had such similar features.

@majormauser 7 месяцев назад

SO when you added that 20TB drive did that increase your storage space? Also what are you using for a RAID level?

@robertwhitemoto 7 месяцев назад

I have the 5 bay Synology NAS! I love it! Do you find it super slow to pull files back off the NAS ?

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

So the performance can vary, but typically I get 2500-5000 Mbps. The biggest bottleneck is drive performance; big magnetic drives are usually fairly slow. You can largely alleviate that by adding an SSD cache (using 1 or 2 drive bays) or some models support m.2 nvme high-speed storage for cache. If you can upgrade the RAM in your Nas, do so. I got a big performance boost from that. The network can also be slow. Wired is always faster than wireless, especially considering latency. With wired, 10 Gbe (which might require upgrading both the Nas and the client) is fast enough to shift the bottleneck elsewhere in my experience. Hope that helps!

@bigmuggle 7 месяцев назад

Tony, do you have Brand or model of drives you recommend we populate the bays with?

@tc9778 6 месяцев назад

I was wondering if you can use ssd hard drives and is there a benefit to using the other drives

@DavidDowns61 7 месяцев назад

Okay, I’m interested…tell me how to move from my Drobo with all my data & direct attached format to a Synology NAS system. I’ve searched high & low but haven’t found a good instructional video on that transition.

@michaeloconnor3580 7 месяцев назад

Any tips for maintaining a persistent connection to a Synology NAS to a Mac Studio using SMB? It unmounts the NAS shares when idle and I have to use finder go to server again to mount it. I had used AFP for years on my previous iMac without this problem, AFP is not functional, too buggy on Apple silicon, looks like they hardly tested AFP since it is in some stage of being phased out. Otherwise the setup performs like a champ!

@bubbles581 7 месяцев назад

At my shop, we also give all of clients copies of all their raw and photoshop files. This makes backups also partly their responsibilty.

@mytravellinfo 7 месяцев назад

for home user what do you suggest .. also should I at least keep the minimum 200GB plan with iCloud or should grade down to 5GB and get with the NAS

@frankinblackpool 7 месяцев назад

I've been rocking Synology for the last 10 years. And this week I've been thinking about some new drives replace my four 8Tb drives, as I'd got a Disk Full warning. That was until I fully understood that I'd set up my Snapshots to save everything for years. Over night I got 13TB of space back by learning how to use Snapshots more efficiently. Still drooling over some 20TB drives though.

@chriscolyer808 7 месяцев назад

Good video. What RAID level do you use?

@colinbluth5461 7 месяцев назад

yahhh . . . i need to get my ass on one of these systems. thanks for the reminder tony :) it would have been helpful if you went over the types of hardrives as well, i always got confused about that

@pererik2000 7 месяцев назад

I wonder if you are using any proper version handling system, like the ones used for SW handling (e.g. Subversion) but maybe more adapted to photography/video. I have not found any such solutions but I may be looking in the wrong places. What I would like to have ithrough this is version history, for example if I or any of my tools accidently deletes a file then I can go back in history and find the original. Currently I do this manually but it is a bit cumbersome.

@photomixmedia 7 месяцев назад

How does the expansions work? Do they get connect to the "main" nas via Ethernet, USB?

@SnOrfus 7 месяцев назад

It’s a bet meta, but something I’d love to see is a walkthrough of your photo and video workflows. From photo -> post or video -> upload. Like, how do you ingest your photos and videos? How do you organize your photos/videos? For example: ingesting onto a MacBook and then copying to the NAS must take a long time and is pretty inefficient (especially over WiFi). You’ve touched on it a little in some other videos, but I don’t recall seeing anything end-to-end, and I’d be super interested to see it. ps. Been a fan since your MCAD books.

@codywhitaker800 7 месяцев назад

I’ve always wanted to do this type of backup. I currently use two HDDs that are always mirrored, but I want to move to a network share like this. I’ve just always been afraid of the learning curve to actually do it and set it up. This option looks very easy.

@EJohnDanton 7 месяцев назад

As a computer professional and an amateur photographer (I did do wedding stuff 30 years ago) It certainly would be handy, and if I had multi-terabyte mission-critical files, I'd get a NAS, but I find I don't need one. I've done this the ultra-cheap way...an old networked machine using an old TV that has a VGA connection for a monitor. 3 separate multi-terabyte drives - one for backups of the home stuff, the other does the photography stuff for the whole family as we are all avid photographers., and the 3rd is a larger drive, backing them them both up and is external, so if a disaster occurs (flood etc) I could just grab that drive and restore later. I use a free SW called SyncBack and it backs up certain folders at 3am. I could set up RAID arrays and all that, but the couple of time I needed to restore files, it worked fine as is.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

How are you protecting yourself against bitrot? If you aren't scanning the drives regularly and repairing corrupted files, those drives are slowly degrading, and you won't know until you attempt to access the files. What about theft?

@SailboatDiaries 7 месяцев назад

This has been one of your most helpful videos to me. What about SD card management?

@renestaempfli1071 7 месяцев назад

I have never used Synology or Qnap NAS. I am useing several Supermicros in a cluster using ZFS. They are far more powerfull and can handel much more throuput. I guess the newer Synology have more proceesing power now. Also, as some already pointed out, Synology uses proprietery disk controllers. If you can't find a replacement, you are in trouble. ZFS can be setup independent of any disk controller. All you need is an HBA for your drives.

@thogan 7 месяцев назад

Is this Synology with 8 drives noisey? Is the connection to your computer fast enough to be able to edit video stored on the Synology or is it slow so it is only useful as backup storage?

@vettepwr23 7 месяцев назад

I have currently around 7 TB of photos and videos spread out over multiple USB drives. I suppose I could buy a DS223 and two 16TB drives but when does is makes more sense to buy the DS1522+ and 4 or 5 smaller drives to take advantage of lower pricing on smaller drives like 8TB ones. Thoughts. Thanks!

@mikeperry8677 7 месяцев назад

Loved the video. With such big files such as video how is the upload time to the NAS over wifi. I would imagine it would take quite some time to upload a bunch of raw photos or a drone video. How has your experience been? Are you able to upload while on location if you wanted or are you waiting til you get back to your home or office. Thank you for the video.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

We're running WiFi6 and 10 GbE, so WiFi throughput is typically a little under 1 Gbps, and wired throughput is 3-5 Gbps. When we were in NYC for the a9 III launch, I transferred the video from my Omso Pocket 3 to my phone, and then uploaded from my phone directly to the NAS. It was limited by the speed of my wifi/cellular connection, but it's a very functional workflow. I sync current projects to Google Drive so I can also just upload to the sync'd folder, which is nice if my home Internet is down, for example.

@micgeinc6694 7 месяцев назад

Tony, do more to prepare viewers for the sticker shock on some of the NAS. AN EMPTY 8 bay enclosure can cost over 1000 USD! Another thing. The great features you mentioned may not be available on all the NAS systems (only on the more expensive ones.)

@hongbui5694 6 месяцев назад

Which 8 drive symbology you recommend ? I don’t see your link for 8 drive

@georgerady9706 7 месяцев назад

Okay, YES! Get a NAS! I bought the QNAP six bay for 3TBs of RAIDed video that the Thunderbolt delivers to my MacBook as if it has a 3TB SSD for 1/4th cost (not to mention all data retrieval is done by the NAS and not the processors handling the OS the applications or the GPU to handle video (if one has a GPU?) But I also have a dedicated DAS connected to my NAS so - NAS goes down - I can rebuild from the DAS as suggested

@geraldmcmullon2465 7 месяцев назад

I had in use a Microsoft home server. It would take 2Tb drives and added them it's array of drives with the option of making a back up along the way. I had a second system to mirror the first. Drives would fail often. Some in a year others after two or three years. I also had a four drive NAS with a RAID. When one drive failed I could not recover. For me not a problem as it was the third back up but that has put me off trying a raid solution again. At least with the Home Server method I could read each drive as a normal drive to get the files back. I moved to 6Tb and then 16Tb. My latest is a pair of 20Tb drives. Moving 16Tb of data over took a very long time. I have image files corrupt where the first part of the image displays but the rest is blank or green. Nothing important but the backups were also corrupted and the third copy as well. Easy to spot in photographs, even if the thumbnails now take a long time to display (Windows 10 is aging) but impossible to find in video files. Even if stored and only powered up to add to the back up a drive looses data randomly. It is suggested that the content be re-created often - moved from where ever it was stored. Okay for a couple of Tb but when you have 120Tb the task takes months even if most of that is machine time, not your time. Another task is documenting the files. Create a text file with descriptions, or a spreadsheet. A few years later you may struggle with names, dates and locations so documenting as you go along helps. If it doesn't matter then perhaps the files don't matter either why pay for storage of files that don't matter?

@subwarpspeed 7 месяцев назад

My setup is having a server. it's an Intel server motherboard. Entry level but still something solid. ECC memory. I run the Unraid OS there. It's Linux based but costs a bit of money. Unless the default there is someone actually developing it and not a total OSS project that is at the benevolence of developers to do it. But still a bit more manageable than only a Linux distro and everything you do you do it yourself. Haven't used Synology but I suspect Unraid is much more on the side for thinkers. The server is connected via UPS. For remote backups it's a bit harder but I've placed a Raspberry pi at my mom's place and one at my uncle's. It has an external 3.5" drive. I use a wireguard VPN tunnel out from my server so it can send backups. It's nightly. This is my hobby and maybe new files are imported a few times a month so it's not like Tony's need for instant backups.

@josebrivera1716 7 месяцев назад

Tony, I own two Synology NASs. Both contain the same data one of which backs up to the Synology C2 online storage.

@Webpromotions 7 месяцев назад

I love my Synology drive and use it for my files but also my family's as well. I concur that you need a second NAS for a backup as a single nas is not a perfect solution. I had a volume fail after a raid5 drive fail on my nas. With the backup I was back up and running with no data lost in a couple of days. Without it I would have lost everything.

@cesarebonazza 7 месяцев назад

Can you backup the same content of all your hard drives into this NAS Drive?

@juliodumbobk 7 месяцев назад

So you need to keep two different sets in two different locations in case of a disaster or theft. Some of us don't have the luxury of having two physical locations available. How would backup from disaster or theft if you have only one location? Thanks.

@puggsincyberspace 7 месяцев назад

I have the same bay as you but with 8 x 10 TB drives. Raid 6 (2 can fail), and the 8th drive is hot-swappable as I travel and am not always around to replace a drive. I don't have as many images as you, but 10 years of digital photography means it is over 8 TB. I also send it to Back Blaze It is going to cost $600 a year for the 8TB.

@jlharris97448 7 месяцев назад

Hi, Tony, thank you for this. Quick question - Am I correct in assuming that you can mix SSD with HDD? I can see both answers possible, and did not find that answer on the shopping site.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

Yes, but it's probably more cost-effective to use SSDs as cache and HDDs for storage.

@nathaniellecompte55 5 месяцев назад

I don’t have the ability to have an offsite backup. I built a “windows” NAS just a computer with a ton of storage I made available to my network. I did it so I could pay for offsite backup, which wouldn’t support a NAS device. Have you ever looked into a diy solution like unraid? I guess the nice thing about your solution is you don’t have to pay apple for iCloud back up.

@Alysuis 6 месяцев назад

I watched this a month ago...I had a seagate 1tb barracuda fail in just 4 years of use, lost a lot of photos and Im having to dig through all my devices to see if I have them saved anywhere.

@scgb5 7 месяцев назад

As a hobbyist with a very low budget, I use iCloud to sync my devices. I edit and organize through photos app (and a few others). Then, about once a quarter, I export all my folders from my primary Mac to a desktop with redundant huge drives (2 copies!). That backup is then backed up to an external drive. I also save all of my favorite photos to a folder in apple's drive (as jpegs). Found this is real cheap ($10 month for bigger iCloud) and real easy. Been wanting to get a DAS (desktop attached storage) to eliminate the desktop. I don't trust external drives. @TonyNorthrup didn't mention the price of increased bandwidth needed for NAS to work with video editing. Regardless, Synology is the No 1 choice in backups. Might give them another look today (it's cyber Monday after all). I too would like to see more of the behind the scenes techie side of how he runs things. I too am a tech professional and would like to get his perspective.

@CellophaneDreamsCreations 7 месяцев назад

But do you edit off of the NAS? If yes what kind of wifi do you need to use to get a good (120MByte ps) read and write speed? Or must you use LAN? Or do you edit off of SSD (internal or external) and then move the file to NAS? But then if you are using capture one or Lightroom then it’s difficult to locate the files off of wifi as the catalog is referring to the SSD. I really think that NAS is the answer but the WiFi speed always brings me back to external hard drives!

@kore996 7 месяцев назад

Can you set up a Family NAS where people all over the country can back up their photos to the same NAS? Basically setting up your own family iCloud system. If you can set up a Family on one NAS does it all have to be open access or can each person have a private section?

@rrbff 7 месяцев назад

What RAID are you using? Trying to decide between RAID 10 and SHR.

@BoboMedia007 7 месяцев назад

Do you work off the NAS or just use as BACKUP up strictly? Seems like the read/write speeds would be too slow for some of my higher 6k edits which need much faster editing speeds. What kind of speed increase can you expect using a NVME vs a 3.5 drive in a NAS?

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

For videos, my current project is loaded on my local drive and I access the NAS as needed when pulling older footage. For photos, my Lightroom Catalog & Previews are on the local drive while my raw files are on the NAS. It's not somuch a throughput issue as a latency issue. Re: speed, I use a mirrored SSD cache and 10 GbE, and I usually get about 3500-5000 Mbps throughput. And m.2 NVME could definitely outperform that but my fairly old NAS supports either m.2 or 10 GbE, not both at the same time.

@What_Other_Hobbies 7 месяцев назад

I built my own NAS with parts from a decommissioned computer. My 4U case supports 13 drives and I’m at 12 drives. Buying one has way less headache because you don’t need to put together an operating system, apps, or worrying about hardware compatibility issues. But it is cheaper for people willing to tinker with computer hardware and software.

@TonyAndChelsea 7 месяцев назад

I admire rolling your own, but do you have BTRTS and data scrubbing to prevent bitrot? How are you keeping it protected against ransomware?

@What_Other_Hobbies 7 месяцев назад

@@TonyAndChelsea i use UNRAID as my OS. Filerun is the file syncing software in a docker form. You a set 2 step authentication on it. My other services are not passed through my router firewall, meaning no port forwarding. I run Tailscale on my UNRAID and Tailscale clients on my computers and mobiles devices. In Tailscale, I can control what device can access my NAS. UNRAID supports XFS, Btrfs, ZFS and ReiserFS. Mine is set to check parity every month. I’ve been running mine for several years. So far only a 2TB drive failed. I have 4x8TB, 4x14TB, 2x3TB and 2x 5TB drivings running with a 1TB SSD as cache. All drives other than 14TB ones were shucked from external hard drives. All mechanical drives are WD red, or white label red. 2 14TB ones are decommissioned data center drives.

@andybarnard4575 7 месяцев назад

@@TonyAndChelseaZFS scrub (oracle) handles bitrot on XigmaNAS or NAS4Free which are good roll your own solutions. In theory you are supposed to have error correcting memory (cheaper on an AMD motherboard) but QNAP and Synology dont do this as far as I know. The support lifecycle on QNAP or Synology is better than an iphone but not as good as those generic "roll your own solutions". Autosnapshot provides some protection against encryption ransomware, but offline copy should be part of any NAS based backup solution.

@MarshallFosterPhotography 7 месяцев назад

This morning I was copying old external hard drives to newer larger WD hard drives and found out that I have 4 drives that are bad and not reading. I think I'm going to have to mail 3 drives out for recovery because I can't recover them using recovery software on my computer. I have images that I need on all. I've been thinking about using a NAS for years but never pulled the trigger. It's a pretty big investment. Now I'm seeing that it's an investment I should have made a long time ago. (face palm) Question. If I buy the Synology DiskStation DS1823xs+ 8-Bay can I fill it with 8 Seagate IronWolf Pro 20TB SATA III 3.5" Internal NAS Hard Drive, 7200 RPM? Is that compatible? Also, is there any other hardware I need to buy to make that setup work? Thanks for making this video and for your time in answering my question.

@smaakjeks 7 месяцев назад

For now I have 3 back-ups on independent external drives that I only plug in when I need something from them. But, I might get something like this at some point.

@TheBoatmike 7 месяцев назад

I have to revisit Synology NAS. I bought one over 3 years ago, Set up was a pain for a nontech person. Like all programs, the Synology suite needed constant updating so every week I got a notice I needed to update my files. Then to add to the misery, the Synology NAS randoming turned off in such as way as to require resetting up from scratch. i decided it was a lemon, not worth it. It sits as a paperweight today and I use SSD drives that I back up all the time. Obviously people have better experiences than me.

@Andernerd 7 месяцев назад

Good video! Just note that Synology doesn't allow you to use the BTRFS file system on their cheaper models, making it unsuitable for the use of anyone who doesn't like bit rot. Pretty ridiculous considering that they didn't develop it and don't pay for it.

@jonathanhalterman7634 7 месяцев назад

I purchase a Synology DS414slim (4 bay with a small footprint using 2.5" drives) back in 2015 and took it overseas for a year. My main focus at the time was the small footprint. However, the performance of the unit has been less than desirable and the newer DSM software requires more memory that the unit has. The migration path to a newer unit has issues as well. So, I am a bit stuck. Newer units shouldn't have the same problems I have had.