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Donut Media is ruining Subaru's reputation, but how? 

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Donut Media is one of the Titans of car related content on RU-vid, but here recently they've been ruining the reputation of Subaru with their newest
installment of High vs. Low. A series where they take two identical cars in which one gets really expensive parts, and one gets really cheap parts.
Subaru enthusiasts around the world are up in arms over the way they've portrayed the brand in the last couple of months, and they are well within
reason to be upset; but what exactly are they doing that has people so outraged? Is Donut media ACTUALLY ruining the reputation of Subaru, or are
Subaru's just... well... Subaru's?
I just want to say that this video in no way is an attempt to talk trash or slander Donut Media. I love everything that these guys do and will continue to watch them for however long they stay on RU-vid! This is just simply my own opinions and nothing more.
#donutmedia #subaru #wrx #ej25 #subienation #impreza #sti
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@AshB93
@AshB93 Год назад
It's a good thing Subaru launched an electric vehicle. This way they'll be remembered for the first electric vehicle to run a bearing knock without having a bearing.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
I commend you for at least being original and coming up with a new joke. Actually made me laugh.
@spideym35i
@spideym35i Год назад
*car guy slams the hood after raising the amperage * “Dammit, spun the brushless coil bearing again”😂😂😂😂
@apIthletIcc
@apIthletIcc Год назад
Just wait until the pc master race over clockers get ahold of a Subaru EV lol
@josephphelps6913
@josephphelps6913 Год назад
So that's why BMW is launching all these electric variants 🤔😂. I'm a BMW guy btw guys. And I'm totally okay with poking fun at myself as well as the brand I love so much. Embrace their hate guys. And turn it into inspiration 😉
@encryptedaqua
@encryptedaqua Год назад
LMAOOO that was good
@juliourena859
@juliourena859 Год назад
Can't ruin a reputation that's already ruined itself
@hybridAbsol
@hybridAbsol Год назад
Lol all new Impreza WRX
@KB-bh9hp
@KB-bh9hp Год назад
True, used to want a wrx, getting a mustang 5.0 instead. Those seem to be insanely reliable and very easy to mod.
@Fred_the_1996
@Fred_the_1996 Год назад
@@KB-bh9hp mopar boys gonna be after you if you buy a mustang watch out
@KB-bh9hp
@KB-bh9hp Год назад
@@Fred_the_1996 Let 'em come. The s650 has a very attractive rear end so they'll have something nice to look at 😆.
@ignaciomendez5669
@ignaciomendez5669 Год назад
@@KB-bh9hp American muscle all the way weather your a ford, Chevy or Dodge guy American muscle will always be cooler
@NuclearPineapple
@NuclearPineapple Год назад
Regardless of the mistakes they made, an engine being so sensitive to oil starvation is a pretty poor inherent issue. They didn’t come with the baffled oil pan from the factory, which while relatively easy to upgrade, isn’t going to be known by all owners especially people just getting into them. There are well built EJ’s that can last a long time, but overall they seem incredibly picky and unforgiving. I don’t blame Donut for that.
@NuclearPineapple
@NuclearPineapple Год назад
@@onyxphantom6762 exactly. It’s a lot like rotaries.
@alienclay2
@alienclay2 Год назад
On the last episode donut said they were using baffled pans the whole time.
@jeffreyeidson3662
@jeffreyeidson3662 Год назад
@@alienclay2 IDK im pretty sure they said that they upgraded both Hi and Low to baffled pans after the fact so that they both dont run into that issue again...
@cognition26
@cognition26 Год назад
The thing is if you do any track racing oil starvation is a very common problem. it's the main reason when you see a dedicated track car they usually have a dry sump. But if you talk to any real Subaru guy they will tell you unintentionally that Subaru's aren't worth it. They are not designed for high power. You can go talk to people that specialize in rebuilding EJs and they will tell you all these crazy specific things you have to do to ensure it doesn't blow. I get that it's a fun car but I would never own one.
@banana-ui2qd
@banana-ui2qd Год назад
for a "daily" it not being baffled is fine, everyone know ejs are unreliable saying they are is ignorant but donut are just going out buying junk cheap cars and engines and not changing the problems that they know they have and they taking it to a track where the chance of it blowing up is very high
@knotical689
@knotical689 Год назад
Subaru guys are just different man. Every subaru guy I know has been through multiple engines. Had a hardcore WRX guy who's been modding them for decades tell me they're reliable, 10 minutes after explaining he keeps a spare EJ ready to go in his garage because he blows so many motors.
@PROcrastiDRIVESVofficial
@PROcrastiDRIVESVofficial Год назад
100% FACTS! Oh and I'll add occasionally you meet these DIY mechanics who are really into Subaru's, usually middle aged with a few white hairs or a receding hairline. When these guys talk, I shut up and listen. These guys are the most incredible mechanics/engineers I have ever come across in my life. I don't know what it is, but yeah some of those Subaru people are different.
@knotical689
@knotical689 Год назад
@@PROcrastiDRIVESVofficial I like going through NASOIC, even though I have no intention of owning a subaru. Their findings around detonation, fuel quality, oil quality, bearing failures etc... Are a gold mine for information they've come by the hard way. Lots that applies to any engine out there
@PROcrastiDRIVESVofficial
@PROcrastiDRIVESVofficial Год назад
@@knotical689 Yep! I have learned heaps from NASIOC even before I owned a Subaru.
@cognition26
@cognition26 Год назад
Facts 😂 bro. Some people don't understand the term reliable.
@jub07
@jub07 Год назад
Lol, it's an abusive relationship...
@Peppa.Putona
@Peppa.Putona Год назад
Video summary:"It's not Subaru's fault for making cars whit defects from factory. It's your fault for treating it like a Toyota and trying to have fun whiteout doing a extensive research on what could go wrong on the car"
@imto5
@imto5 Год назад
😂
@lyteness859
@lyteness859 Год назад
dudes trying to take advantage of their 7m viewers and i’m certainly fooled
@RChero1010
@RChero1010 Год назад
It's not extensive research though. You should be looking at covering your bases before taking ANYTHING onto the track with good tires, because (shocker) street cars aren't designed to handle 1+ lateral G from factory.
@obeseperson
@obeseperson Год назад
@@RChero1010 No
@Thesinistereyes1
@Thesinistereyes1 Год назад
@@RChero1010 except the WRX is literally made for Rally racing that's why it exist. It was a racing car before it was a street car.
@thechillywinds5810
@thechillywinds5810 Год назад
Blew up an ej255 by literally driving it as a commuter for 5k miles. Maybe saw redline twice, never excessive lateral g's. Was my first car, checked the oil everyday because I didn't wanna make any rookie mistakes. Well 6 years later I have my boosted k20z3 making 430hp for the past 78k miles on top of the 73k miles it already had. On a completely stock engine and trans. I'll never stop dissing any ej subaru.
@henrykalinowski9028
@henrykalinowski9028 Год назад
Yup dropped my 2011 STI and bought an 06 Rsx-s and used the money left over to mod the shit out of it. Haven't missed that pile EJ once
@thebiggamers999
@thebiggamers999 Год назад
how do you redline in daily commute?
@jamesh5111
@jamesh5111 Год назад
Cant beat a Honda brother. May not be the coolest but they’re damn reliable.
@jamesh5111
@jamesh5111 Год назад
Cant beat a Honda brother. May not be the coolest but they’re damn reliable.
@MisoElEven
@MisoElEven Год назад
@@thebiggamers999 Put you foot on the pedal and press it...
@LuisMedinaredix
@LuisMedinaredix Год назад
I think they depicted what owning a Subaru is like, for first timers, quite well. Of course you should always do your research. But to new car enthusiasts buying these cars the high low subi series taught them a lot. However, these are problems that you would not encounter in other enthusiast's brands, such as honda and toyota. I'm looking forward to seeing what Donut does with these cars in the future though.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
I work on my Honda more than I do my Subaru. That’s just me though.
@sitandrot
@sitandrot Год назад
@@OldieProductions but I guarantee you spent less money on it than your subies😂
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@sitandrot Absolutely incorrect. Honda parts are insanely expensive. My starter is currently going out. A brand new one is $350.
@frodosfrostbite
@frodosfrostbite Год назад
@@OldieProductions I've had to do far more work on my 2010 SI than my 2006 Hawkeye when I had it
@auto6547
@auto6547 Год назад
why are you guys spending so much money every year on your cars. my nissan frontier only gets a oil change and its from 2001 and also I live in the rust belt. my dad was the first owner and im the second and so far the only things since new that have been replaced are a 15$ knock sensor, 30$ thermostat and it got new rotor, cap, plugs and wireset a year ago because I told my dad that even tho they where not acting up they had been on the car since 2001. honestly i havent seen the CEL light since it was gifted to me. ive done maintence before anything can occur and likewise my dad . the chassis has had frame protection for quite some time and it has scorpion bedliner. usually only bolts are rusted and hidden parts but for the most part everything is pretty easy to get off. my dad had a honda accord which wasnt as good though, so maybe some cars are just angels and others are lemons
@AlineaEuros
@AlineaEuros Год назад
Idk bro, if you have to modify the engine to make it reliable at all, then it's probably not very reliable, Subaru should have done a better job, and this is what happens when they dont, the last thing anybody has to worry about is Subaru's reputation when they have all these problems from the factory.
@UmbraWeiss
@UmbraWeiss Год назад
Exactly, i don't even know why he made a video about it, these engines suck and everyone knows about it ,there is a reason why subaru still sells engines for these, because they know this to.
@mikemichaelson120
@mikemichaelson120 Год назад
As an Audi owner, I can say confidently that I accept my cars downsides. Shit breaks and when it does it is expensive, most of my Audi owning friends have the same attitude. Subaru owners, will insist that Subarus are reliable while blowing white smoke out of their exhaust in a car that’s on its third engine rebuild in 120K miles
@UmbraWeiss
@UmbraWeiss Год назад
@@mikemichaelson120 Yup, this is true too, i work with cars , so i know every car has a downside, some have bigger problems than the rest, i had subarus in the garage multiple times, if you use these engines like a normal person it will last at least 150k -300-400k max ,depends on luck, but the last one i had in the garage had 160k and has similar problems, that is not to bad but it's not to Good compared to other cars out there. I for one have 2 cars exactly because of this reason, i know the Bmw i have is a trash when it comes to anything, so i have a renault that i know will work all the times without any major problems. I have that car only because it's fun to drive and nothing more, Subarus are the same way after they hit that 150k mark, you don't know when it dies, and if those who change your oil and filters don't care what comes out of the engine , you will never know until it dies, that is the biggest problem with these cars,most mechanics don't even look how the oil is in the cars they change the oil....
@albertquintero5412
@albertquintero5412 Год назад
That why I love my ls engines
@yourmother694
@yourmother694 Год назад
Subaru had the ej255, Audi had the 4.2 v8, GM had the 3.6v6, every manufacturer has their own special engine that like to go boom all the time
@vr6g608
@vr6g608 Год назад
Gears and gasoline made a big impression on me for subarus. I already wasnt really a fan and they solidified that
@j.a.g.8689
@j.a.g.8689 Год назад
Opposite for me, I was a fan and now I view these cars as 50/50 in terms of reliability. When ben did all thay reliability stuff to his and it blew up on the dyno I just shook my head
@cognition26
@cognition26 Год назад
Dude I couldn't believe it. He spent around 35k just to make 500 wheel. After I saw that I understood why people make the effort to swap 2JZs or RBs into Subaru's.
@j.a.g.8689
@j.a.g.8689 Год назад
@@cognition26 yeah, some bullshit right. Subies quite literally have a cult following
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@cognition26 Id be the first to tell you that if you want big power for the least amount of money possible, don’t build a Subaru. There are better options. People are acting like I’m saying they’re the greatest cars ever made. I’m not.
@bendavis9524
@bendavis9524 Год назад
My 03 forester has 250k miles on it. Best 2300 bucks I ever spent
@Yoshi6969
@Yoshi6969 Год назад
In the season finale they talked about how they put baffled oil pans on pretty early in the series but apparently never mentioned it until then.
@leb66
@leb66 Год назад
yo dude love ur Iketani pfp
@michaelcogan270
@michaelcogan270 Год назад
They said it sarcastically and said we definitely didn't put it on after our first engine blew up so thats when they put it in
@Yoshi6969
@Yoshi6969 Год назад
@@michaelcogan270 ah I see, I just remembered them saying they did actually put them on. Watched it when it came out so it wasn't really fresh in my memory
@Yoshi6969
@Yoshi6969 Год назад
@Leb! thanks man! I thoroughly enjoyed Initial D
@hellowhat7803
@hellowhat7803 Год назад
Lol people are butt hurt about it, lol well Subaru are known for it, there 350z didn’t even have all these issues
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
Not butt hurt at all, just pointing out the reasons why they're having so many issues.
@802Garage
@802Garage Год назад
Ever work on or own one? There is a reason Subaru owners like them and know they aren't garbage. They had rebuilt engines of unknown pedigree and didn't even bother to do a break in oil change. Plus numerous other issues. Watch Smeedia's video too. This is far from the first issue with Donut.
@timhortons232
@timhortons232 Год назад
350z don't have issues, lol okay. Insert your headgasket joke here that was relevant 20 years ago.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@timhortons232 People love using the head gasket joke. Usually the go to joke for people who have no idea what they're talking about.
@timhortons232
@timhortons232 Год назад
@@OldieProductions legit, hasn't been an issue since the late 90's early 00's? Treat em right and they will last, I've managed to get 90k km out of my FA20 pushing 387-415whp
@ruslanvaliullin7734
@ruslanvaliullin7734 Год назад
5:30 I think they sent the engine to be rebuilt and got it back. What he meant by "supposedly" is that the guy who did the job might not have done anything at all.
@kylemitlyng6524
@kylemitlyng6524 Год назад
I have 3 instances of friends who have blown their Subarus as well, same issues and thousands of dollars down the drain. I think donut created a great example of what a normal guys (not experts or snobs) can expect from their Subarus in stock form. Sure, they demonstrated "negligence" but I think most normal guys might unintentionally do the same thing. Subarus are clowned on for a reason and they cannot be treated like something with a 2JZ or an LS. They are unique cars and I personally love the way they sound, but be ready to work on them or spend the time and money to pay someone else to.
@djblc2201
@djblc2201 Год назад
Right on mate totally agree with you
@joshuakhaos4451
@joshuakhaos4451 Год назад
Ive had a few friends dip their feet into the WRX/STI phase about 8 years ago. they all had serious problems and now are Subaru free. Meanwhile our other friend owned a Turbo Volkswagen and I owned an 05 Cobalt SS. Both cars not known for stellar reliablity, but better than their Subarus.
@michaelgutierrez2690
@michaelgutierrez2690 Год назад
2 different places of work 2 different people both had wrx stis both told me the same thing engines blown waiting to pay it off so that they could drop an LS into it
@brokenbmw3441
@brokenbmw3441 Год назад
I feel like rotaries and boxer motors are in the same boat. The people who know get the best from them, while the people who expect ls, and 2j reliability call them pos motors.
@nicholassilvestri1804
@nicholassilvestri1804 Год назад
Well, i wasn’t there when they were driving/rebuilding them, but from a high performance longevity standpoint, Subaru’s have always had more problems than other Japanese manufacturers in general. I don’t hate Subarus though, some last a very long time
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
This. I’m not saying they’re the best vehicles ever made. They have their issues. I just hate how they’re portraying them.
@fluffiestmallard6484
@fluffiestmallard6484 Год назад
@@OldieProductions It's not like they broke them on purpose man. They kept breaking on their own
@Gunma_garage
@Gunma_garage Год назад
Suby head and 12yr technician here. I understand the frustration but they can be extremely finicky but also very reliable. Definitely need to do the due diligence to keep them happy but I'll forever drive one.
@BurninSnowMan
@BurninSnowMan Год назад
Ok the engine break in thing, I do agree with break in periods. But the spun bearing is from oil starvation at the track like you said because the car does not have a baffled oil pan. So break in period or not that would have still happened.
@jamesmedina2062
@jamesmedina2062 Год назад
race cars have more space in bearings for oil and use heavier oil so it is all part of the design. Insufficient space will not allow for enough oil to flow. But as far as break-in goes I suppose that the bearing clearances would not change any after break-in period. But as a system goes rings that are tight will subject the bearings to more load than looser ones and therefore contribute to spun bearing.
@erikmexico11
@erikmexico11 Год назад
I have had 4 friends owning subarus. 3 of them ended up blowing their engines. Yes, you can make these cars super fast and reliable but that’s isn’t a easy task nor is it cheap. I wouldn’t feel comfortable owning let alone modifying an STI. That’s why I had to go with my evo 9. So much more forgiving and so much easier to work on. Sad that subaru never made an In-line 4😢 I love the body of the 05-07 design and chassis but what kills it for me Is the boxer engine. With that being said, when I see a well built Subaru I tend to appreciate it that much more. Regardless, build whatever you feel like building!
@salty9781
@salty9781 Год назад
Same I originally wanted an sti but after reading forums and talking to people that i know own the cars i ended up going with an evo
@pootis818
@pootis818 Год назад
Same a bunch of the ppl i know or talked to who are or were subi owners said there engine blew
@damienorr4800
@damienorr4800 Год назад
@@salty9781 and any better how your Evo doin
@salty9781
@salty9781 Год назад
@@damienorr4800 good so far motor and trans are strong
@masonzizovski449
@masonzizovski449 Год назад
Yep I have three subaru friends and two of them blew up their engines, one of which was actually a new model. When the rate of people blowing up subaru engines up is over 50% I think they might not be the most reliable…
@BoostedSpeedDemon
@BoostedSpeedDemon Год назад
The best thing about being a Subaru owner, is feeding so many Subaru Mechanics families🤣
@joaohenz6061
@joaohenz6061 Год назад
Imagine if you have to buy a new engine every time you hit the track
@towseef360
@towseef360 Год назад
Donut didn’t ruin Subarus reputation. Subaru ruined Subaru’s reputation.
@Tofu_Slayer
@Tofu_Slayer Год назад
I think that them running into these issues demonstrates what a new owner should expect coming into the platform. If they still don't like it or aren't open minded then they've been weeded out. It's a win win I say
@ishikawa7077
@ishikawa7077 Год назад
Funny part is, no other car companies suffer from the same issues straight from the factory. So you're right, idiots will keep buying Subarus and running them into the dirt, smart people will keep buying more RELIABLE cars from the factory. Its honestly a miracle they haven't been bought out yet. A real car company could really help them and do a lot for them.
@jerrysherwood2886
@jerrysherwood2886 Год назад
Donut media isn't ruining Subarus rep, Subaru does that on they're own (mind you I do love my Soobies). I think donuts hi-low series this time is an actual, accurate representation of the majority of the populations car projects lol. If you have ever had a project then you have gone through this.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
I’ve had multiple Subaru projects and have never gone through this. Because I treat my cars right.
@jerrysherwood2886
@jerrysherwood2886 Год назад
Not every one does. I've had 2 subies and neither blew up like this. Still stand by what I said though. I've met so many people where this is how the projects go. Not every one is as mechanically inclined as some of us. Best of luck on every ones projects though!
@Hugo350R
@Hugo350R Год назад
@@OldieProductionswell I feel like you just have to be more much more careful with a Subaru. They’re not as forgiving as other cars. I’ve seen too many friends blown up Subarus. Meanwhile I had my untuned e85 Volvo 940 turbo taking all the beating in the world. Or any of my LS vehicles. You just have to be more mindful with Subarus is all.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@Hugo350R And I completely agree with that statement. I never said they were THE BEST most reliable cars like everyone is assuming. I’m just saying they’re not as bad as everyone makes them out to be.
@urgandma
@urgandma Год назад
@@OldieProductions plenty of guys jump into the Honda scene, there are lemons, lots of first time car owners, guys unfamiliar with Honda, negligent owners, but they don't have a crap reputation. Speaks for itself.
@reemeruxd
@reemeruxd Год назад
as a subaru owner, i always hear people saying it’s just lousy owners not caring for the car properly or abusing it that causes the issues you hear. and while i haven’t had any major issues related to the design of my subie, it just seems like toyotas, Nissan’s, etc just seem to take the same abuse without popping and that’s where the negative perception of subaru comes from. you’ve got to do everything right all the time where you can run a toyota with no oil and it somehow keeps going. you just gotta baby turbo subies way more than any other jdm economy sports car
@Miiikeru
@Miiikeru Год назад
At least we aren't on the same level as rotaries 😂, but nah fr with actual knowledge of the platform subies are quite reliable. You can thrash almost any stock 2.0 litre JDM STi as long as you don't put it under extreme Gs without a baffled sump.
@beastakip1777
@beastakip1777 Год назад
@@Miiikeru I have a 2004 2.0 liter wrx that's mostly stock and was stock it's entire life until i got it. It still has the first engine and I've been driving it daily since 2017, I thrash it all the time too. I got it at 140k miles and have driven it to 211k. It's prob held up so long cause it's just a wrx
@g4bbn149
@g4bbn149 Год назад
They are reliable as long as you keep a spare engine🤣
@VeganBytes
@VeganBytes Год назад
I was laughing so much at this vid 🤣 "they went fast around a corner causing oil starvation" 😆 "thats negligence" 😂 The engineers at Subaru are the ones being negligent here.
@remissiveslave
@remissiveslave Год назад
I've driven nearly a dozen cars in last 12 years and every single one I drove aggressively. 1. Was a 2.0 slow golf, brought with around 80 k, put 30 k on it, only service I did before it was flooded in Irene, was oil change, filter change basically. It wasn't fast but when corners and windy roads came up I was driving with pretty high g's and very often. Never had issues. Same with a focus, 250 k beat the fuxk out of it, no problems. Fa 20 has rod bearing failure under 50 k and I literally drove this thing very casually. I was planning on paying it off then modding it. Never saw past 4 k other than maybe a few occasions. Only thing I can think led to it was oil starvation on a few times it was a little sideways. VERY RARELY AT THAT.
@architecteye6089
@architecteye6089 Год назад
I've had 3 Subaru's. I've been a mechanic for 10 years. The older models say pre-2000's were the best. Everything afterwards falls short when it comes to reliability. I had an FRS and spun a rod bearing & 65k miles lol. 06 Hawkeye that blew a head gasket on stock boost. My GC8 was amazing though. Had a 2.0L STI engine. You could beat that car all day and it would never break. Looked the best too. I've since moved on to another horribly unreliable car that I has yet to let me down even though it's approaching 200k miles. BMW E46 lol.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
In my opinion it all boils down to the owners and how they treat the cars.
@TurbhoeHDRemix
@TurbhoeHDRemix Год назад
I say EJ20s are the best ones, it's the newer motors and the EJ25s that I question
@razzor4708
@razzor4708 Год назад
its called "planned obsolescence" and you - people - led to this due to overconsumption. that's why old Hilux and GC\RS Impreza\Legacy\Forester is a tank style vehicles. Driving and Answers actually did a lot of exposing this. Speaking of Subaru he has "iconic engines" video series about EJ
@TurbhoeHDRemix
@TurbhoeHDRemix Год назад
@@razzor4708 Driving 4 answers is an excellent channel, have learned alot from them
@joecam7109
@joecam7109 Год назад
Pretty sure you were just picking up some groceries in your hawkeye for that to happen right? Stock boost you say, wasn’t modded at all, were you having too much fun or just cruising? It’s kinda hard to blow those turbo model’s multilayer steel headgaskets unless they really overheat or overboosting, you’re more likely to lift a head. 😂
@antbankzbruh
@antbankzbruh Год назад
Everyone ive ever met that had a Subaru said nothing positive of reliability wether stock or modified. I love the look and features of them but they seem like they are a mechanics friend.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
It’s all about who has owned it and how they’ve treated it. If you buy an abused car, it’s going to have problems. No matter the brand.
@solaryellowis3007
@solaryellowis3007 Год назад
Got a blown up impreza i might buy from my customer for a quick flip. Stock auto wrx with 97k miles.
@leb66
@leb66 Год назад
@@OldieProductions dude have u seen what Top Gear did to that hilux?
@trilliamogdlocog4986
@trilliamogdlocog4986 Год назад
@@OldieProductions yeah but you cant deny other car/ engines etc are more finicky then others and let's just say subaru isn't known for having top tear reliability regardless of how a owner took care of it most subarus aren't going to see super high mileage without major work...Not saying they aren't cool other brands like mazda and their rotorys have flaws aswell but atleast mazda guys will tell folks straight up why their builds break down etc besides beating around the bush and blaming it on maintenance ...
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@trilliamogdlocog4986 I’m not denying at all that there are better platforms.
@joetroy2904
@joetroy2904 Год назад
Zach wasn’t saying that the brakes the car comes with are horrible, he was saying that car in particular braked horribly, which ended up being the fault of a busted brake line if I remember correctly.
@villedocvalle
@villedocvalle Год назад
Lol imagine running rubber hoses and talking shit about braking.
@JRRowen-ht6du
@JRRowen-ht6du Год назад
My 2002 WRX has 237000+ miles on original ej205 and still going today ✌
@a_rice_bowl3663
@a_rice_bowl3663 Год назад
I had a friend who was really into Subaru WRXs. But he told me not to, because as he put, “I have a parts Subaru for my parts Subaru”
@spideym35i
@spideym35i Год назад
I was truly introduced to Subaru through Smeedia. I was excited for the Hi Lo Subarus at first because I thought we would get expensive/cheap reliability mods, and a discussion on WHY they need those mods to stay reliable. Was really sad and shocked they skipped over them. And James Pumphry admitted they hadn’t even broken in the hi cars motor in the first episode, which made me scared for the rest of the series.
@playingisgame
@playingisgame Год назад
It's 2023 you don't need to break in an engine... also bad break in doesn't damage bearings...
@spideym35i
@spideym35i Год назад
@@playingisgame a fully built engine does need a break in period and it can totally ruin bearings.
@MrRadicalMoves
@MrRadicalMoves Год назад
@@playingisgame the year makes no difference... you 100% need to break in a fresh engine. Even fresh cars out of the factory need broken in properly. If you pick up any modern car manual that comes with an IC engine, I can almost 100% guarantee you that there is an engine break in procedure somewhere within its pages for that car.
@playingisgame
@playingisgame Год назад
@@spideym35i explain to me how a bad break in ruins bearings...... ? cause i know breaking in is about cylinder walls & piston rings.
@SrTitusTheGreat
@SrTitusTheGreat Год назад
@@playingisgame metal from break in material and if you don’t change the oil multiple times in the first thousand miles the metal can end up all throughout your motor even in rod bearings
@michaelclark3192
@michaelclark3192 Год назад
While I loved my lifted 2006 Subaru Forester XT it was a reliability nightmare and my experience with it was cut short by gradual head gasket failure on the ej255 engine. As this was a high KM car that I paid $8000 for it wasn't worth me spending the $5000 to get the gaskets fixed. Plus they're not very fuel efficient commuting cars so I ended up buying a 2006 Honda Jazz for less almost $2k less than the head gasket cost and that car was extremely reliable and very cheap to work on, I turned it into fun hill car and also tracked it once and never worried about blowing it up. At 275,000km the Honda was still on the original clutch and I never even changed the coolant or gearbox oil.
@caseylee3350
@caseylee3350 Год назад
Donut 🍩 rocks I've owned 2 Subaru's one was a 2007 wrx and one was a 2008 6 cylinder.. both had massive problems and I was always taking good care of both
@JayOnzs03
@JayOnzs03 Год назад
You have to admit that anyone getting into cars, which is who they're speaking to, should know this about subarus. Even with you "clearing this up", a smart buyer would stay away
@fmartin59
@fmartin59 Год назад
Exactly Toyota Supra from 90s was more reliable than modern Subarus.
@fadmap9676
@fadmap9676 Год назад
My wife and i have had 4 Subarus over 14 years all bought new off the lot never had a single issue with any of them. Wife has a WRX hatchback she bought new off the lot, 80k miles later 0 issues. Her current daily is a 2012 WRX she also got new, never had any issues. I had 2 STIs, a 2010 & 2019. 0 issues, got both new off lot, but I traded both in for a TRD Tundra recently but I do miss them, I can still take my wife's hatch out once in awhile since it just sits in the garage. So what it comes down to is maintenance and upkeep with these cars. Kids get their hands on them and mutilate them, throw terrible tunes on them supported by cheap quality parts and they abuse them. It's bound to have issues. Take good care of them, plain and simple.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
You hit the nail on the head.
@muttenmagroo
@muttenmagroo Год назад
I loved my Subaru impreza during the time I owned it, but something was always breaking. Wheel Bearings, CV axle boots, ball joints, O2 sensors, Coil packs, every bushing known to man, and finally oval bores, vvt solenoids, burning oil, and oil starvation which lead to bearing death. Dropped Valve Guides, leaking head gasket. I miss driving that car but holy hell it was fragile.
@AutomatedUser
@AutomatedUser Год назад
I feel you, but it is the average experience for a turbo scoob owner for it to blow up. The 2.5L has been around the longest and is the most common, and they just blow up. Sometimes multiple times. Literally the only engines I've ever had trouble with. Also we need to have a talk about the supposed torquey nature of boxers.... stop. They're worse than gutless down low, and don't try to use that admittedly fine midrange torque or the engine will shit out in some manner. There's literally no situation where the stock setup is okay to just leave alone and enjoy. In other words, it's a bad engine.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
I have left every Subaru I’ve ever owned mostly stock and have enjoyed every second of it with zero issues.
@AutomatedUser
@AutomatedUser Год назад
@@OldieProductions how many turbo 2.5 scoobs you got with over 100k miles on the unmodified original engine?
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@AutomatedUser I’ve had 3. One of which was bone stock, the other two were lightly modified with stock blocks. Also had a 2017 STI with almost full bolt ons for 40k miles. It’s not rocket science. Do research, modify with quality parts, and tune appropriately.
@nickwagner2284
@nickwagner2284 Год назад
The thing is that Donut does the same sorts of things to other models without these issues. It’s not so much that they’re unreliable, it’s that they require more upkeep and maintenance than many other Japanese cars.
@TheCalvinator07
@TheCalvinator07 Год назад
In fairness, in episode 2 they admitted not breaking it in is likely what caused it.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
It's absolutely what caused it.
@owenhunt6796
@owenhunt6796 Год назад
@@OldieProductions was there a reason you left it out of the video?
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@owenhunt6796 I didn’t. Again, did you even watch the video?
@jeffreyeidson3662
@jeffreyeidson3662 Год назад
@@OldieProductions nah bud, the break in wouldnt have solved the oil starvation, which is what blew the engine.(actually all the engines they went thru) that is an engineering/manufacturer issue
@zokusharuuku1091
@zokusharuuku1091 Год назад
I have a very interesting history with my sti. I bought a forged internals sti that I raced around at 24psi for 7 years before I had to replace anything on it and of course it was the head gasket. Why you ask? Because they put the stock type known to fail after 100,000 miles on a modified engine back on. You must put a mls head gasket on a ej if you plan to raise the boost. I rebuilt the engine with the most aggressive off the shelf cam, largest possible stock location turbo, new closed deck block built to handle 1000hp, drag ported heads, oversized valves etc and the car made 510whp at 25 psi on the break in tune. It was scheduled to go back after a couple months and tune it on high boost 36 psi or so when I moved and had to postpone the tune. 7 months of babying the car to work and back with the occasional 3-4 seconds of fun which was all it took to go well over the speed limit and it spun a rod bearing while it was warming up on the way to work (driven under 2500rpm) Now I had changed the oil 2000 miles ago and had planned on changing it the very next day sadly but what I hadn’t realized was happening was that in the 5 degree weather it was warming up in the driveway for 3-4 minutes every day was that it was burning oil and lots of it from the forged pistons taking a long time to warm up. Now I usually check my oil every week or so but it was very cold and maybe I skipped a week or two since I never had to add oil in the last 7 months of checking and turns out it was 2 quarts of oil low. Which ladies and gentlemen turns out is all you need to be to spin a rod bearing. Sadly there is nobody near me who can fix the car or is willing to so it has been sitting with its broken fully built engine the last year and I have no intentions of selling or fixing it until I save up the $20,000 I have been quoted by the closest Subaru performance shop to fix it (so probably never since there’s just better things I can do to my turbocharged mr2 spyder with that sort of money) which mind you is less than I paid to fix it the first time. Problem is with having such expensive parts in an engine is when they break you have to replace them and it’s just as expensive to replace them the second time as it was the first time. For this reason in the future I’ll be keeping most of my other modified cars engine internals relatively stock so when one engine goes it’s easy enough to throw another in.
@jmoore9806
@jmoore9806 Год назад
Regardless if it was rebuilt or forged built, if u do a track day with the stock oil pan you can expect a rebuild very soon
@Chriskary1
@Chriskary1 Год назад
But any other car would be fine. So that says something
@natanaelonate5193
@natanaelonate5193 Год назад
@@Chriskary1 yea thats true but the people who know about subarus would have known what parts to upgrade and with what. Them not knowing anything about subarus is what let them to not do the essential upgrades
@Chriskary1
@Chriskary1 Год назад
@@natanaelonate5193 once again it’s still showing how fragile they are. I don’t hate WRXs and STIs matter of a fact I love them. I just don’t trust them. Never have and never will.
@-WhiskeyAndSteel-
@-WhiskeyAndSteel- Год назад
@@natanaelonate5193 my 30 year old 200k mile ka24e still rips at the track in 240sx. Boxer engines just suck. Get over it.
@natanaelonate5193
@natanaelonate5193 Год назад
@@Chriskary1 theyre not for everyone
@jacobsuess8033
@jacobsuess8033 Год назад
My 06 sti gave me a scare when I got it home. I looked at the roughness on each cylinder because the idle was off and it was slightly shaking and what do you know, I have a misfire on cylinder 4 with no engine codes. Hope this one isn't to expensive. My 05 sti that I have also ran into the same issue but ended up being a vacuum leak. I love these cars and their history but damn do they rile me up
@Cherrybomb-rp1vx
@Cherrybomb-rp1vx Год назад
Hope the new engine you’re gonna need ain’t to much
@MacSalad__
@MacSalad__ Год назад
“EJ255 is arguably the worst turbo 4 cylinder “ I feel like this just contradicted his whole video
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
As if every engine, from every other manufacturer is just sooo perfect. Lmfao.
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 Год назад
In the case of the oil pan, it seems to me that Subaru ruined it's own reputation by selling a vehicle that will self destruct if used for its intended purpose. No one buys a WRX to drive around like an old lady!
@bengibson3955
@bengibson3955 Год назад
I just don’t get it. I’ve done something like 1000+ laps of competitive motorsport (including winning a few trophies) in a Subaru. The majority of these laps were done in an EJ207 GDB STi running 20+ psi boost and being revved as it needed to be to win the aforementioned trophies. I never lost an engine, other than the dirt khanacross I did in my wife’s turbo Forester, where the boost control feed from the compressor housing came off, effectively leaving me with a massive boost spike from the tiny little TF035 turbo. I’ve never used a baffled sump, although I did go to the twin-scroll sump/Killer B oil pickup with my built EJ257 that’s sitting where the EJ207 once sat. All I can figure is that I’ve been obsessive about oil changes, I ensure there’s plenty of the slippery black stuff in there to avoid starvation, and I’ve been quite OCD when it comes to warming up and cooling down the drivetrain when doing supersprint/time attack events. Nearly forgot to mention that the EJ257 has been built and tuned by one of the best Subaru builders/tuners (and drivers for that matter) that I could hope to find here in NSW, Australia. Check out MSR in Somersby if you want a fast and reliable Subaru track weapon. As far as I’m concerned, Subaru engines are completely reliable.
@802Garage
@802Garage Год назад
Just watched Smeedia's video. Glad to see more people addressing this. Donut is spreading a lot of misinformation and making the car community more toxic with this. Subaru is not shit, they can be very fun and reliable, they are very easy and logical to work on, and Donut really needs to do more self analysis. Personally, never been a Donut fan. They are for entertainment, not real information. Videos like this are why we will never get another STI and I don't appreciate it.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
They definitely aren't doing us any favors.
@jack8356
@jack8356 Год назад
Everyone knows Subaru arent reliable
@802Garage
@802Garage Год назад
@@jack8356 Tell that to the 10 Subarus well over 200K in my yard. :P
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@Jack Correction, everyone just believes what they hear on the internet and have no firsthand experience.
@authentic1369
@authentic1369 Год назад
Mind telling me any examples or statements donut media made to misinform the community about the brand and cars of Subaru?
@dregzartmedia4062
@dregzartmedia4062 Год назад
Um I’m a mechanic and me installing a aftermarket part to make a stock car reliable is something the manufacturer should’ve thought of..
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
I’ve never installed a “reliability” mod on any of my Subarus and I’ve had 0 issues. You can take any stock car to the track and beat the shit out of it and eventually you will have issues.
@SidewaysGts
@SidewaysGts Год назад
"Um I’m a mechanic and me installing a aftermarket part to make a stock car reliable is something the manufacturer should’ve thought of.." Im a mechanic as well. Theres a LOT to unpack here. A manufacturers goal is often to make the car reliable enough, cheaply enough, for the type of driving most people will be doing.
@SidewaysGts
@SidewaysGts Год назад
@@ryder6860 "well why advertise it as a track car in the commercials if it shits out on you if you take a corner" Realistically 99% of owners will never take their car on the track. I dont disagree with your overall point, of course. I actually agree. I dont "condone" what they do- But that is why they do it. Theyre "sports cars", not "Race cars" as far as theyre concerned. They do what they need to do to sell cars, by and large.
@fillhall4774
@fillhall4774 Год назад
I’m just saying, they are basically only having the most commonly reported problems that occur with that generation.
@jsplit9716
@jsplit9716 Год назад
At 8:40 you smear them needlessly. They did put baffled oil pans in both cars after the first damaged engine.
@moisesr7840
@moisesr7840 Год назад
So I was very close to purchase a closed deck engine for Thanksgiving and so I talked with a mechanic who knows a lot about subarus and told me "oh it's gonna blow up! it will over heat cause it's closed decked". Then He goes on to say one of his friend wanted to build a 600+HP subie and He suggested his buddy to Darton sleeve the block because IT WILL BLOW UP, and when it does all his buddy gotta do is sleeve the blown cylinder. Honesty at that power level he's right.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
Your mechanic sounds like a dumbass.
@moisesr7840
@moisesr7840 Год назад
@@OldieProductions he told me to save that money and swap a LS engine, that is cheaper and more reliable.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@moisesr7840 Lemme know how much cheaper that is when you’re done. Because I promise, it’s not. You will spend the same, if not more money.
@vanouellette8031
@vanouellette8031 Год назад
Oh so just everyone who owns a Subaru is very negligent to maintenance, it’s not how unreliable the car is
@likethehotels
@likethehotels Год назад
Didn't they explicitly state that they were using baffled oil pans ever since they blew up the first motor?
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
Did you even watch my video? I recorded this when they were on episode 6. They explained that in episode 8.
@carneasada3693
@carneasada3693 Год назад
Very well said I’ve had 3 Subaru and all of them went over 250k miles of course with issues over time but never a blown motor
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
Unfortunately these cars end up being a product of marketing towards the younger generation. Teenagers with little to no money and no common sense often beat them into the ground and wonder why something went wrong.
@PiroFyre
@PiroFyre Год назад
OK. So I guess it's not obvious with the Subaru community on why they said "supposedly rebuilt". The motor blew up on them after getting a rebuild. They said "supposedly" because they couldn't believe it blew up so fast and was probably questioning if it was even rebuilt. They most likely had someone else rebuild it (since they lack a lot of knowledge on rebuilding a Subaru motor and even working on Subarus in general) and probably thought they got scammed because they weren't expecting an engine failure so fast.
@jerryvelasco1474
@jerryvelasco1474 Год назад
As a technician, i can say with confidence the boxer engines that come out of the Subies are not reliable. In the last 3 years the used dealer that I've worked at, between 2 techs we've probably done over 25 Subarus head gaskets, both on the turbo and NA engines, manual and auto trans. Now the plus side the aren't too bad to work on once you realize how easy it is to work on, they are a breeze. I never really timed myself but i'd say i'd have both sides off in under 2 hours. Then i'd ship them out have them checked, resurfaced, valves redone 150-300$ at a local machine shop. After install with all new parts, we would warranty the heads/gasket 50k. With proper proof of oil changes and no red lining or other overheating issues. We fix outside work and even purchased a couple with blown head gasket. During a snow storm my boss even let me drive one home about 45min away, while other cars we're getting stuck or moving like a snail. I got home nice and safe like nothing was going on. I saw around 9 cars in ditches that day. There use to be a Subaru tech that was letting people know that they we're getting so many head gasket issues, that they we're no longer sending out the heads and using 3 types of sanding cookies and doing the resurfaces in house. Obviously the video has been taken down.
@14luca95
@14luca95 Год назад
I live in Italy, here there are very few subies, anyway I always liked them since I was a kid and now I own two: a 2011 WRX STI (with the infamous EJ257) and a 2007 Forester with the NA EJ20 as a daily. I also owned a 2011 hatchback Impreza with the diesel EE20 engine that probably you never got in the USA. This is the list of issues I had in these cars during the years: the turbo to intercooler pipe cracked in the diesel Impreza at 200.000 km. Fixed it and sold the car a year and a half later. The car is still on the road with the new owner, and it has over 300.000km. In my WRX STI, just a month after I bought it, the steering box started leaking. It was covered by the warranty, so I fixed it and right now I owned the car for 3 years without problems. Nothing to say about the Forester, it always worked perfectly. So, the only thing I do for my subies to be reliable is just treat them well with all the maintenance they need.
@CorlosMazda
@CorlosMazda Год назад
I used to work one one of the donut guys. And I believe at least two of them are automotive engineers to some degree. You can say whatever you want about subaru, but regardless of the generation or engine code I shouldn't have to change the oil pan and pickup tube on a stock car so it'll do what Subaru advertises it to do off the showroom floor. Subarus in general are glass. This is one of the weirder cope videos to pop up in my feed for no reason.
@joshuakhaos4451
@joshuakhaos4451 Год назад
I had a few friends that got into the STI phase 8 years ago. Needless to say, they quickly bailed once they realized these cars are not bulletproof. I even told them that they jumped in blind, but I was dismissed. I also say this as someone who owned a not so reliable car known as the Cobalt SS. But that car never left me stranded nor would break things back to back. Just little things here and there.
@dressing2877
@dressing2877 Год назад
so im 16 and when im 18 i can get my first car and i just thought how sick it would be to have a wrx from 2002 or the hatchback one from 2014 as a first car, but im really concerned about the reliability since i have zero mechanical knowledge to fix them so is it a good first car or should i find something else?
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
If you don’t have any mechanical background, I wouldn’t recommend a Subaru. If you have the desire to learn about Subarus and are willing to put the time in to research and learn how to own one of them, then I would highly recommend one. My best advice would be to avoid anything that’s modified. The biggest problem with these cars are the owners. People slap cheap parts on them with no tune and at that point they are a ticking time bomb. Find one that’s stock and make it your own.
@D-Man_Jam
@D-Man_Jam Год назад
Subarus wont blow up as long as you be nice to them and read them a bedtime story before turning off their night light.
@PUNKF001
@PUNKF001 Год назад
I hope they do a subaru vs rx8 comparison. To see which one breaks first.
@SI0AX
@SI0AX Год назад
They would probably track the RX8 with all the factory cats in, get them clogged and the engine destroyed.
@emoryzakin2576
@emoryzakin2576 Год назад
So I've never seen your channel before this and wanted to tell you you did an excellent job. It was very well thought out and addressed and it makes me smile seeing the younger generation appreciating and understanding these cars. Late 90's early 2000's I lived and breathed Honda/Nissan/Subaru and have been out of it for some time but still enjoy taking a peak at the scene. Well done man
@ItalianMafioso344
@ItalianMafioso344 Год назад
Bro if my engine blew from oil starvation for sliding off track once I would be astounded.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
Maybe don’t wreck your car?
@noodles9345
@noodles9345 Год назад
I think the "supposedly rebuilt" part may be being taken the wrong way. The way I'm hearing "supposedly rebuilt" is it be said in a facetious manner. As in "yea we rebuilt it so why is it damaged already? Maybe it really wasn't rebuilt" But then the question remains that knowing it was rebuilt, it shouldn't be too much of a surprise that it blew. BUT then again one could also have the mindset that they barely raced it so even being freshly redone it shouldn't fail.
@soupatroopuh3696
@soupatroopuh3696 Год назад
Me as a Honda Boi laughing hysterically at this whole fiasco 😂😂😂
@fmartin59
@fmartin59 Год назад
Honda at its worst is better than Subaru at its best
@Mortimusmoose
@Mortimusmoose Год назад
IF you get a good Subaru....you're lucky, and baby that thing! They're really hit or miss. Almost every single one that goes up for sale around my area needs wheel bearings, and they have rust issues....and thats at minimum.
@malakius
@malakius Год назад
Moral of the story, don't try to mod a Subaru because they are meant to be kept stock, and any minor modifications will blow it up.
@atx-cvpi_99
@atx-cvpi_99 Год назад
Well stock ones blow up as well.
@djmartin4776
@djmartin4776 Год назад
How dare donut for thinking that you can beat on an unmodified Subaru for 13 min without costing you a motor. Everyone knows it needs $8,000 in upgrades before you can go more than half throttle
@Rad1oD3mon
@Rad1oD3mon Год назад
Low Key, had no clue who Donut Media even was before this video. Personally in my opinion, and as an owner myself, 99% of all Subaru problems are owner rooted. Things going wrong/failing due to unknowledgeable and reckless driving. Being in the car community has taught me one inevitable truth, a car is a reflection of it's owner; and that stems to overall longevity and reliability. How you treat your car is a reflection on how you go about treating many things in life.
@DrRyan82994
@DrRyan82994 Год назад
yup. they bought they're car for the company and took it straight to a race track
@jeffreyeidson3662
@jeffreyeidson3662 Год назад
Im guessing you havent experienced many different driver/car combos. theres plenty of cars out there thatll run straight thru the abuse; and others(mainly subaru) are way too sensitive even for mechanics to rip on. Id just avoid any Subaru after all of the notorious problems they have.
@IAMPOPP
@IAMPOPP Год назад
Almost all of the Issues I know people to have had with their Subarus always came down to doing Dumb things to make more Horsepower and not having a plan or researching how they should go about it. In other words self-inflicted by unknowledgeable Owners. I have taken care of my 2017 STI Limited and carefully went about upgrading it in ways that are acceptable for Subarus. People complaining and saying Subarus always break down when they have no knowledge or experience with Subarus always makes me cringe a little. If I decided to get into RX-7's but just winged it without gaining knowledge on Rotary engines and i blew the car up, well that would be my fault. Stop being Idiot people treat your cars well and know the platform.
@grimfate9711
@grimfate9711 Год назад
I personally believe If you can't turn in a car it's not a good car I love the Subaru style but knowing that a hard turn will kill my engine is why I'll probably never get one even though I like everything else about their cars
@nesbygalvan2088
@nesbygalvan2088 Год назад
Nope, I’ve had a couple friends go through the same thing donut media has shown. They didn’t hurt Subarus reputation, it was already established and they just showed the reality of these cars.
@blablabla983
@blablabla983 Год назад
had myself a 2002 wrx 2l turbo. with the STI 6 speed manual upgrade. bigger turbo and allot of nice small stuff to make it better, baffeled oil pan, sti injectors tgv delete, and so on. it made about 350 hp and i "ONLY" blew the original! yes original headgasket once. upgraded it and never had another problem. loved the car to death
@fmartin59
@fmartin59 Год назад
You’d not ever have had the head gasket issue on other brands.
@triston5540
@triston5540 Год назад
This is the first time I’ve come across your channel, this was a good video. Earned a sub. The problem with Subarus is this I think: People treat Subarus like Hondas. They don’t do any maintenance😂 almost all of the “problems” with Subarus come from a lack of maintenance and rarely just from poor design. I have a NA 03 bugey wagon. Legit the easiest car to work on. And dead reliable.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
Most recent upload Car culture is HORRIBLE in 2023, but why?: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7pAtiBlMn9g.html
@sakaraist
@sakaraist Год назад
Honestly I'd probably have to argue the opposite. While *most* of the commony issues can easily be avoided by someone who's been into the modding scene, had a few cars and knows failure points the overwhelming majority of people will just buy a car that looks like it's performance oriented and expect to be able to send it. I absolutely LOVE driving my subies but holy shit they are at the top of my ownership list of unreliability, I felt like I was always wrenching. People really should be more aware of their pitfalls and limitations before buying one, particularly if you don't have a lot of experience with them or the money to get your work done at a shop.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
I agree 100%. However I don't have as many problems with my Subaru's as you seem to have, but yes, unfortunately these cars require quite a bit of knowledge and understanding to own and maintain. It just blows my mind that people buy cars with zero research and just go full send, then wonder why things break. That could never be me.
@brxvk_Media
@brxvk_Media Год назад
Ironic that I rebuilt my EJ255 right before this series came out and I’ve had 0 issues. Break in and break in tune specific to your exact motor is a must.
@Marticus518
@Marticus518 Год назад
Took my suby to the track this summer, it's a 2013 sti, basic upgrades and about 65k miles on the clock. Went absolutely fine and I have some reliability supporting mods like a pro tune. I'm also thorough on maintenance. This winter I've already installed a killer b oil pickup with baffle and I'm also getting an AOS. Subys die when treated wrong, if you treat them right, you're dramatically increasing your cars chance of survival, which goes for any car. Know your motor and you'll be fine in absolutely most cases.
@chaosengine3772
@chaosengine3772 Год назад
These haters seem not to know these things. Nah, I don't think they are that dumb... Just trolls be a hating. Good thing they only exist on the net, not in the real world.
@Hugo350R
@Hugo350R Год назад
Subarus are just not as forgiving as other cars that’s all. Other cars can take more abuse and maintenance neglect compared to Subarus. That’s all it is, you just have to be more caring with a Subaru.
@chaosengine3772
@chaosengine3772 Год назад
@@Hugo350R I had three WRXs. Sold two, still have one with 110k miles. None of them ever had any issues other than the current one's plastic end tank radiator leaking at 101k miles. There is no forgiveness for being lazy maintaining any car. Kids heads today would explode doing all the frequent, routine maintenance in the pre electronic engine management days. All flat engines by nature can have oiling issues when doing straight line and lateral at high g-forces. Pushing beyond normal limits without doing one's homework is asking for trouble and will break things. Like doing doughnuts at high revs, roasting tires on any flat wet sump engine may cause starvation to spin a bearing. Normal on the street driving, there are no issues.
@Clesarie
@Clesarie Год назад
Any tuner car starts to become an unreliable shitbox when you just give it to much without the right supporting mods.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
Absolutely agree.
@john.f.remedy.237
@john.f.remedy.237 Год назад
I didn’t know some of these things until after the 1st yr of owning my Subie. Some cars need different types of attention and research of the most common problems based on what it’s being used for…
@paulsandvig6961
@paulsandvig6961 Год назад
It was more of a parts comparison series.. I watched the videos just cuz I have a Subaru wrx n was interested but they drove those cars hard which caused them to break. If they daily drive they would have lasted longer. I love my 02 bugeye n plan on having it for a while.
@alexvela291
@alexvela291 Год назад
As an enthusiasts with not a lot of funds I do like Donut Media lessons. I would buy a 350Z before I would get a Subi. At the same time Subarus as fun and powerful as they can be, do give lots of problems to their owners. Not even compare a Subaru to a Civic SI on reliability of engines and other parts. I thought it was great content from them as if you want a Subi to mod, you have to be really careful with what you are doing, there are lots of lessons to be learned. For that I will continue to drive my SI and beat the crap out of it.
@no-uh8553
@no-uh8553 Год назад
If you can starve your engine by taking a turn too hard and not installing an aftermarket part, your car is not reliable
@dismas2
@dismas2 Год назад
They also said in the last episode of the series they were using baffled pans the whole time
@subbiiee7795
@subbiiee7795 Год назад
its not taking bad of them , ive learnd alot , but they have inspired me , and im bulding a sleeper subi so thanks to them ive learned alot
@animatrixred240
@animatrixred240 Год назад
I still think subaru's are garbage. However, I did find what you had to say very interesting and very well put together overall. Great video
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
They’re not for everyone.
@802Garage
@802Garage Год назад
Ever work on one?
@514aam
@514aam Год назад
@@802Garage quite easy to work on, just different from other cars. My first car was a E36 M42 at 16, very easy to work on. Then an 8th gen Civic at 18, also quite easy. Got a forester XT at 20, FA20 CVT, the thing gets raced quite often and has been rock solid, sure, the first times working on it where hard, but when you get to know them they are a breeze.
@802Garage
@802Garage Год назад
@@514aam In general, Subaru is one of the easiest brands to work on. According to me and countless mechanics amateur and professional I know. Quirks for sure, but logical and simple.
@mmmaaannnyyy
@mmmaaannnyyy Год назад
I have a picture i took of my car then in the camera roll, a picture of the c.e.l subis been subis
@JaegerWrenching
@JaegerWrenching Год назад
Donut's video is a perfect representation of how a real first time Used Subaru owner would go through the learning pains of owning a Subaru IMO. You as a customer, shouldn't have to look to forums and the aftermarket parts companies to be able to drive your car as it was portrayed by the manufacturer to be driven. Imagine if your sports car blows up driving it like a sports car...... McLaren caugh caugh. I think Subaru should have recalled all the non baffled oil pan cars and swapped them out for baffled oil pans, especially if that's the actual fix.... My guess is the subaru engineers weighed their options and the Japanese's always thinking their cars don't break... found it to be a non issue for a high percentage of their vehicle owners, as they are grandmas and "I love my dog." owners.... thus subaru forwent any recall/solution. Regardless this is the same kinda deal as a 6.0 powerstroke, except the perception is/was head studs would fix the head gasket issues on 6.0s. However most don't know Ford had engineers on it willing to offer a headstud kit as part of a actual recall/solution, but during testing with head studs they found the issue was still present and found the problem to actually be cupping of the cylinder heads from inconsistent cooling during casting, along with being on the boarder of insufficient cylinder head material. Reduced material during casting cooling actually causes the cupping. Thus cylinder head resurfacing was not suggested because "not enough material is there to resurface" and many customers installed their own head studs to only be in the exact same boat a month later....
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
I understand your point and completely agree. The issues should 100% be rectified by the manufacturer. Unfortunately, they aren’t so it’s up to the consumer to either fix it or take the appropriate actions to avoid the issues it causes. Blows my mind that people don’t do even the slightest amount of research to figure out the issues of a car they’re interested in buying. If you know a car has issues with oil pan baffling, why on earth would you full send it on a track? Imagine I took my 2000 civic and proceeded to launch it over and over until the transmission exploded and then went on to say Honda is a dogshit company. That’s essentially what people are doing with Subarus. Pushing them past their limits and blaming the brand. Makes zero sense. All cars have limitations, if you’re dumb enough to push it past those limits, that’s on you.
@JaegerWrenching
@JaegerWrenching Год назад
@@OldieProductions I agree with doing your research and people now days are very ignorant especially when the information is so readily accessible. I will say this the difference is Honda doesn’t represent the civic as a “launch it” car while the WRX is at minimum represented as hybrid city/rally car. That’s where my issue with Subaru lies. Any competent person would do research, buy a baffled oil pan, and alleviate the issue. Just don’t claim to you can do X when doing X will actually hurt/break the car in stock form. Nonetheless I’m glad you have a passion for Subaru’s, turn it into something! I have a friends who owns a Subaru specific repair shop here and they are always packed with work, it’s a great way to help educate new owners and fix the known problems all while making money.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@JaegerWrenching Only thing I’ll say to that is that rally is much different than a circuit track. So by that logic they’re being used as track cars when they are not represented as track cars. That was my point with the Honda reference. However I do appreciate you actually willing to have a conversation rather than immediately trashing the brand. By no means am I saying they are the best/most reliable cars ever, I’m just saying they’re not as bad as they’re made out to be. That’s all.
@thatguyinthatoneshow
@thatguyinthatoneshow Год назад
I understand that they could have treated the cars “better” by not driving them on a track for fun, but just how softly do you have to treat one of these 200hp cars? Maybe if it only makes as much power as a 1955 Cadillac 331, it shouldn’t be a faberge egg
@prehistoricpig
@prehistoricpig Год назад
Didnt they disclose they put oil baffles on every single engine in the last episode?
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
They just posted their final episode yesterday (we’ll after my video was uploaded) saying they put baffled oil pans on after the first engine blew. Which is great, but doesn’t really help in the situation of wrecking the car unfortunately.
@G4Disco
@G4Disco Год назад
I currently have 3 EJ powered cars in my driveway with a cumulative mileage of nearly 600,000. All with original engines. One is even an EJ257 that I have done every kind of motorsport with in temps ranging from 0F to 105F. The key is an understanding of factory limitations (all cars have them) and basic maintenance with good parts/fluid. I'm actually trying to purchase a 5th Subaru. lol
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
Be careful with all of that common sense, you might trigger someone!
@kida9598
@kida9598 Год назад
Do you keep the oem oil or upgrade?
@lucian7182
@lucian7182 Год назад
First thing I did with my Sti was to do the reliability mods available except switching the header. I did Aos, cylinder 4 mod, iag oil pan kit, koyorad radiator, oil temp and pressure gauge, and switched to a better oil motul 5w40.
@kida9598
@kida9598 Год назад
@@lucian7182 thanks that's the route I want to take with my wrx. Not worried about power gains I want it to be reliable.
@lucian7182
@lucian7182 Год назад
@@kida9598 exactly, my tuner did a great job, so it’s sitting at 318whp 314 tq.
@ericperez1510
@ericperez1510 Год назад
Can someone explain to me what is it to break in an engine? Is it literally just driving at normal speeds or is there more to it?
@frodosfrostbite
@frodosfrostbite Год назад
I had a 2006 Hawkeye wrx. Sold it with 295000km on it and still ran like new,original engine,basic service done regularly and Cobb tuned with exhaust
@natanaelonate5193
@natanaelonate5193 Год назад
Before i started tracking my wrx with an EJ255 i made sure to upgrade my oil pickup oil baffle and oil pan. This is the most reliable car ever i got over 110k miles and have it protuned. It also never burns oil no matter what. Ive done 5 hard track days with it and 2 of them were with the same oil change. Some just dont know how to maintain their cars or add crap parts or dont tune them right
@Cherrybomb-rp1vx
@Cherrybomb-rp1vx Год назад
Stop the cap 😂
@thebiggamers999
@thebiggamers999 Год назад
having. to. mod. an. engine. to. make. it. reliable. makes. it. unreliable.
@natanaelonate5193
@natanaelonate5193 Год назад
@@thebiggamers999 but. Is. It. Reliable. After. The. Mod? Doesnt matter the engine once you start putting it through events you eventually will find weak points, unless you get a porche or something over 100k
@natanaelonate5193
@natanaelonate5193 Год назад
@@Cherrybomb-rp1vx bro i never cap 🫡
@thebiggamers999
@thebiggamers999 Год назад
@@natanaelonate5193 it doesnt matter. if you need to mod a car to be reliable and not stock its unreliable period. and my mazda 323f bg has seen track days and hasn't broken down on me and that shitbox i got for 1250 and didnt run for 3 years, all i did was refill fluids and a battery change and thats all it needed. thats what you call reliable, not needing a mod to get proper oil distribution. and weak points would be low grip and bad handling, not total engine faillure.
@kidthunder1311
@kidthunder1311 Год назад
These comments "They aren't experts on Subarus, that's why they broke" If you need to be a certified mechanic to keep your car alive for a single day, then your car is a pile of shit.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
No one is saying you need to be a certified mechanic to keep your car alive. However, if you’re going to be building and modifying your car, you should probably not be a dumbass.
@builtvisions
@builtvisions Год назад
@@OldieProductions Lol, beat me to it. People truly are clueless about even the most basic understanding of engines 🤦🏾‍♂️
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@builtvisions Dudes acting like you have to do a full tune up every single day to keep a Subaru running. Lmfao.
@SiCaRiI_DaGgEr
@SiCaRiI_DaGgEr Год назад
@@builtvisions I agree, just reading some of the comments speaks volumes to your statement.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@AndyZULUL Man you’re really digging DEEP in these comments to push your bias. We get it, you’re triggered.
@rate5602
@rate5602 Год назад
Worked at a Subaru Dealership for a little bit. One of the few modified ones (about 450hp) that would come in for regular maintenance was on its 4th engine. Also wasnt uncommon for a non modified commuter car to need a engine rebuild due to oiling or piston ring issues.
@nelsonzayas7514
@nelsonzayas7514 Год назад
Unfortunatelly my experience with subaru has always been leaking valve covers, bad head gaskets and rod knocking engines. Its true they can be reliable but the same can be said about rotaries. Like rotaries you need a lot of knowledge before owning one, which doesnt make them practical to car guys trying to get in to their first subarus.
@derekbichard2496
@derekbichard2496 Год назад
They went with the 06-07 for the perfect design, don’t get me wrong bug eyes and blob eyes are cool but in many peoples eyes the Hawkeye is THE Subaru. OBVIOUSLY not the best engine or transmission, I’m on my 3rd motor in my 07 but it is a very highly desired car a lot of their younger audience most likely like and they wanted to cater to that!
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
All opinion based on it being the best looking. I prefer the first gens personally, but to each their own.
@derekbichard2496
@derekbichard2496 Год назад
@@OldieProductions I love the older styles like the gc chassis but not everyone does and I just believe the more common hyped model especially for the age group of the page would be around the Hawkeye model
@nesbygalvan2088
@nesbygalvan2088 Год назад
I agree, they picked the better looking models.
@tolerrd
@tolerrd Год назад
Subarus are in fact dog shit, I have had both a fresh motor 07' sti, blew after 800 miles of baby'ing, and then a 14' FRS with 39k, spun a rod bearing. VErY noIcE GreAT KeRs. It is what makes a subaru a subaru.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
Sounds like user error.
@zakura70jr
@zakura70jr Год назад
On of my downsides for this series was the turbo kit comparison... they compared 2 totally different turbos instead of comparing the same size turbo cheap vs expensive
@dazeen9591
@dazeen9591 Год назад
I mean.. honestly I never knew Subaru WRXs had engine problems.. but when I googled it.. lots of people complaining the engines blow up.. so clearly it's fact.
@kevinlassure6214
@kevinlassure6214 Год назад
I love Subaru and even plan on buyingy Friend's 06 hawkeye, but as many car owner, even peugeot expert from 2000s have oil pan baffles. Common, subaru have issues that should been fixed long ago... Especially for a rally car openned to public... Not able to take corners ? Is rally like drag racing now ? I love those cars but they are damn terrible compared to lets say Honda... A car you should fix all engineering mistakes before even turning the key and doing its first miles. Like oil pan baffle, oil pickup, cylinder 4 cooling and EHL stuff (probably for racing/higher performance of course and not absolute necessary for common usage). I love them and yes people beat them and kill them doing launch control and stupid stuff. But sadly we cant say its a really reliable brand either
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
All of my Subaru's have been extremely reliable. Pretty much boils down to user error.
@TheCocksmuggler
@TheCocksmuggler Год назад
@@OldieProductions All of my Subaru's we're unreliable. I've had 23.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@TheCocksmuggler Again, sounds like user error.
@TheCocksmuggler
@TheCocksmuggler Год назад
@@OldieProductions I can assure you, it wasn't. Really love the cars but they're just unreliable and not hardy at all. Fun cars when they do work right, though.
@OldieProductions
@OldieProductions Год назад
@@TheCocksmuggler It’s odd that you’ve had roughly the same amount as I have, and had all these problems, when I’ve had zero. Either you’re buying garbage cars that have been beat to begin with, or you’re the one doing the beating. I don’t know your situation but something in that equation isn’t right.
@Fonzieshoots
@Fonzieshoots Год назад
honestly this makes me want one. hopefully they drive the price down. lol great video.
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