Dr. K Chats with  

4:14 Dr K appears 7:15 Thor appears

I love Dr K and all his guests, but there's something extra special about it when Thor comes on as a guest. They really bring out something special in each other

The sun itself did not stop us from finishing this conversation

Turns out The Universe really wanted Dr. K to read that book

*Intro & Stream Start:* 04:09 *Thor's Recent Activities & Conversation Recap:* - *Animal Well & Puzzle Solving:* 07:19 - *Relating Puzzles to Psychotherapy:* 12:05 - *Professional Success in Thor's Community:* 18:35 - *Drive & Burnout as Common Issues:* 19:40 - *Recapping Previous Conversation:* 21:00 *Understanding Drive & Burnout:* - *Impact as a Factor in Burnout:* 27:01 - *Imposter Syndrome & Analytics:* 28:24 - *Environmental Zones & Focus:* 29:41 - *Thor's Response to Negative Analytics:* 30:35 - *Drive as a Desire to Solve & Adapt:* 31:40 *Exploring Thor's "Third Thing":* - *Defining the Source of Thor's Drive:* 32:28 - *Right Answers Preceding Logic & Emotion:* 36:11 - *Impact of Early Life Experiences:* 36:45 - *Thor's Understanding of "Calling":* 44:31 - *Contrasting Thought Processes Around Failure:* 48:58 - *Grandiose Self vs. True Self:* 56:20 *The Role of Ego & Self:* - *Logic & Emotion as Tools, Not Drivers:* 59:22 - *The Ego's Influence on Logic & Emotion:* 1:01:33 - *Consequences of Ego-Driven Drive:* 1:02:28 - *The "I" as a Root of Problems:* 1:17:53 - *Comparison & The Nature of Tall/Short:* 1:10:12 *Introducing the Concept of "Duriya":* - *Four States of Consciousness:* 1:14:04 - *Duriya as a State of Awareness Without Mental Activity:* 1:15:19 - *Benefits of Operating from Duriya:* 1:16:01 - *Dharma as a Tool to Mitigate Ego:* 1:21:53 *The Science of Happiness: Hedonics vs. Eudaimonia:* - *Logic Often Leads to Hedonistic Pursuits:* 1:23:36 - *Components of Eudaimonia & Their Relation to Thor's Life:* 1:26:44 - *Burnout as a Result of Ineffectual Effort:* 1:27:39 - *Discussing Melatonin's Effects on Dopamine:* 1:27:15 *Thor's Ferret Rescue & Autoimmune Disease:* - *The Story of Mocha, Latte & DIM Treatment:* 1:39:41 - *Ferret Diets & Potential Impact on Autoimmunity:* 1:42:05 - *The Story of Henry & His Remarkable Recovery:* 1:51:06 *Accessing the "Third Space":* - *The "In-Between Spaces" as a Source of Insight:* 2:26:52 - *Meditation & Widening the Gap Between Thoughts:* 2:28:56 - *Thor's Experience of "Choiceless Awareness":* 2:30:59 - *Analogies of Crisis Situations & Scheduled Emotional Processing:* 2:33:42 *Final Thoughts & Outro:* - *Technology's Impact on "In-Between Spaces":* 2:49:32 - *The Value of Pacing & Reflection:* 2:49:50 - *Thor's Impact on His Community:* 2:52:17 - *The Importance of Adding Experiences Rather Than Erasing Negativity:* 2:56:02 - *Reframing Negative Self-Perception:* 2:57:00 - *Raid & Stream Conclusion:* 2:58:29

That intro song did NOT have to slap that hard! Dr. K about to be a spiritual EDM artist lmao

This whole chat, part 1 through 3, was incredibly enlightening. Turns out, I'm a very logically driven person who rarely shows any emotion. Always thought logic will always be better than reacting with emotions, making emotional decisions, etc. But not only was I completely humbled by the thoughts expressed in this discussion, but I also have a new word (thought process? action?) with 'Turiya'. I still can't say it properly but damn did I completely understand every bit about you and Thor explaining and expanding on it. I have a new outlook on meditation and life in general now. I'm so very glad I watched and listened to this. I'm going back through again and taking notes now that I can focus on that instead of following the thought trains. Thank you, Dr. K & Thor!

Came for the deep stuff, stayed for the cute ferrets and MRI scans.

Walking was discussed... it should be common knowledge that our hands and feet are very complex. Difficult to draw they are so complex. Thus, when we pace or when we use our hands to do things, it requires much from our brain. Walking and using our hands literally lights up the 'entire' brain (can't clarify entire but it's all of the brain that becomes activated). Walking and using your hands is very good for you. In this, even mundane chores such as house cleaning or any labour becomes an opportunity to stimulate charge and relax the brain. And help in depression and more than boredom.

So much info in those 3 parts. I reallly love how thor has the intuitive answers to Dr Ks questions. Will need to watch those a few more times to take it all in

Thor joins at 7:15 Main conversation begins at 14:25

It’s so easy to forget about that third space exists. I’ve listened to it in the past and had things go amazing. I’ve also in retrospect remembered situations where it was basically screaming at me but I just wasn’t aware enough to listen. I really needed this talk because I’m finally listening to it again and it’s going to mean I have to make some very hard choices. There were some things said though that give me the confidence that this choice is the right one. I look forward to practicing listening to that voice in the future.

This was extremely valuable. Thank you both for using your energy to positively impact so many lives.

This. This is actively changing my life. Between listening to Thor. Your first interview a while back. And this one. My entire life is finally. Finally I'm escaping the depression and the fear. Slowly. But surely.

Dr. K's wide-eyed enthrallment during these conversations is quite captivating, and fun to see

2:48:00 this is so effortlessly great from Thor, both interviews with him (or all three, lol) are some of the best on this channel.

57:47 Dr. K wanted to make sure he wasn't having another michael reeves moment lol

This 3 part interview is such an enjoyment. Makes my current work of immense amount of data entry much easier to get through. Thanks for the value Dr K and Thor 🙏

This stream makes me cry. I understand so many of the ideas but feel so held back by trauma and individuals in my life that do things that hurt my emotional state to a degree where I feel I can no longer try or do anything, like going completely reactive for the most part. I'm hoping that sitting in this terrible state for long enough will help me to come out the other side being able to utilize this information. Thank you so much for having this stream and I hope you two will do another in the future where we can get an update on how this information in the conversation was used to improve some aspect of Thor's life / teachings and also dig even further into these topics and ideas if possible.

I've learned so much in the last couple of hours.This has the power to change so many lifes. Thank you so much. Both of you. ❤️

Thor's the type of guy to shoot himself in the leg so he can learn how to treat a gunshot wound.

Watching multiple streams has really helped me understand the goal of meditation, and the sense of what ‘muscle’ to exercise gets explained in many different ways. The explanation about the gap or transitions between different things is the analogy that really made it click along with the other explanations!

2:30:00 Reminds me of the scene from Matrix where the oracle says, "You've already made the choice, you're just here to understand why you've made it" I wonder if the Wachowski sisters are spiritual or what, but this talk really reminds me of the Matrix.

Being a T1 Diabetic id love to see Dr K talk about how cronic medical conditions effect mental health as ive been ahving a really rough time with it

Thank you. Both of you. How clarifying, truly.

Hi, Dr K! Amazing talk! You and Thor are such a great combo. I really hope you two will meet again on stream in the future and continue discussing these kinds of topics. Also I just wanted to say that the sketches you make in streams are really important part in my process of understanding these topics. I'm curious if you could consider making them available to the public in some way after the streams, provided it would benefit others, of course.

I've watched and have found helpful/insightful and interesting many of your talks with guests, this one is just something else though XD the breakdown of "calling" and "ego" in the real life example of Thor and then the tangent about ferrets going into brains was ridiculously interesting and i'm so glad it happened :D

Thor talking about ferrets is like how we use to talked about our favorite animals when I worked at the zoo. It's so awesome to see and hear.

This was awesome. I have always done this same thing of just "doing things" and have never had any idea how to explain it to people other than "I just do it". Interesting to see there is actually something to it.

I would binge-watch either of Them do a Let's Play of Disco Elysium !

Holy hell, I really needed that. Thank you for sharing this conversation. ♥

I was not expecting a ferret talk but i'm loving it

22:48 Funny enough, in Japanese these are actually separated by two different words, 嬉しい (happy like joy) and 幸せ (happy like satisfaction in life and well being)

Please upload these to podcasts if possible! I would love to listen to it that way.

We really need like a 4 hour conversation with D.K and Andrew Huberman, seriously.

Thor brings up a great point that i think generalises to conundrum around all eastern stuff in a sneeky way. If i feel like "im going to meditate until im a powerful person" tgat happens best when one has a strong sense of self. So having a good ego is the necessary to become mindful and detarched just to persiat on the journey

It was awesome hearing Dr. K talk about choiceless awareness. I came across this view point a few years ago from one of J. Krishnamurti's speeches here on RU-vid.

I wish we had that drawing from the previous part about the flow state. It was getting so good.

I love how these streams are basically just Thor doing Therapy with a live audience, and now we all get to benefit from it because he's so healthy and articulate that he already has most of his shit figured out

I just saw the part 2 today for the first time. omg

Ferrets are such sweethearts! They are like little springs filled with joy.

Yaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy They are back !!! You guys are doing an awesome thing !

One of my old favorite activities was in Burnout: Paradise. I would take the fastest speed car I had, and just cruise around the highway loop. My roommates and I called it "Zen Driving". Hit that middle ground in no time, and would loose 20 minutes just being in the moment. Thank you both for the videos! Can't wait for the next one!

Dr K. Think of Thor’s pacing walking in a circle in town, to where in league you get to lane before creeps and you spin in circles under your tower or in lane waiting. I believe these are the same thing.

26:41 Burnout and meaning: Here's a tough one: What to do if you work in fast food or small store retail and you "know too much" about the problems that job contributes to, so it feels like a conflict of interests? Yet you aren't in a position or headspace to move on or try and find a better matching profession or job. The burnout aspect can make it difficult to have the energy to pursue the life changes necessary to change the situation. Naturally, things like therapy or Dr. K's guides, whatever's available and seems like it might help... using resources available to step towards working on yourself could help. It can be hard to reach that point though, if you're low on energy and getting sucked into dopamine timewasters when you're free. I'd imagine many can relate.

For the first time in my life I've really heard something that feels like a shift in how I see things. I'm also a developer, but I was so stuck thinking on other stuff that I didn't realize that the problem solving techniques I've been doing for years, could be used as a framework for self improvement. Logic is like and IDE and Emotion is like a ChatGPT. 😂

Never thought I’d be seeing ferret MRI scans today but I’m not opposed to

funny that i started noticing the pauses between breaths in and out before he even talked about it

I love how this stream progressed.

The hemisphere’s being in “competition”is like some players in your raid saying we will win if we use our characters to attack the boss. Other players saying we will win if we use our characters to heal each other. Two very different approaches but when working together create a synergy.

One of the best talks so far

I love that intro remix

2:33:23 The first time I moved to Japan to live there 6 months. Now trying to live here permanently but I didn't feel the same calling as when I prepared for those 6 months.

i had rats, that were running in circles, tilting their head and the doctor said it was a kind of a inflammation of the balancing organs. if treated, it can heal. but the later you do something, the more chronic it gets (or the stronger the residues of that behaviour persists). if not treated within a relatively tight timespan, it will prevent the animal from being able to eat or drink, it will die while going in circles, the head 90 degrees to the side

We were told that our cat has Cerebal Palsy but what you descrived with a “wobble cat” is way more accurate for our Luna lol. She’s pretty much normal but is pretty uncoordinated and her head wobbles a ton when she tries to focus on something and is very stimulated lol

I thought I was running between ego and Turiya, but around 1:33:00 I realized that I still running in the ego. I do however believe in some areas with stuffs I do enjoy I work in Turiya, because I recognize those patterns with certain things in life. But then other areas I enjoy less, I do for my ego. Very interesting conversation. Will continue listening now

I'd like to know what Shiva is. I'm not sure why, I'm kinda new to this stuff, I have some ideas why it's useful but honestly I don't have any idea what Shiva and the culture is about. Perhaps useful in relinquishing ego. In changing, and finding new ways to be recharged.

Fun fact: I have crippling ADHD, sleep apnea, and mild insomnia, and Wellbutrin (norepinephrine + dopamine reuptake inhibitor) substantially helps with all of the above.

How do you work "12 to 16 hours a day"? Legitimate question. I understand that basically that is "you work for X amount of time" but my question is HOW. My energy could never let me be doing something for 15 hours a day, even less by sitting. And then if I wanted to have a small chat with a friend or family member, or have breakfast. Or if you have to cook or clean. That takes time. Cooking something that is not a horrible pre cooked meal takes AT LEAST (including eating it at a normal healthy speed) 1 hour and a half or more. Maybe 1 if you're like super fast and don't care about doing it well. So that is 2 to 3 hours a day if you ate only lunch and dinner. Not counting other things. Out of 24 hours, you sleep the "bare minimum" (or what is enough for you), let's say 5 hours like Thor does. You get 19 hours left. How do you spend 15 or 16 out of those 19 working, not moving basically from where you are doing whatever, EVERY DAY. Usually these people have a lot of money. I don't mean it in the bad sense, but rather in the sense that they can put in all that work hours and comes to fruition which is great. I can't do that and could never accept the idea of waking up, working the entire day (minus 1 hour and something for the meal) and then shower maybe and go to sleep and nothing else. After the 2nd day I'd do that I'd just want to go transcend myself lmao. I don't mind doing repetitive tasks, as long as I can mix it up a bit or have a good break from it.

thor: "i don't think there's a silver bullet-" dr k: "there is" god that made me laugh so hard but that's what i love about dr k, a lot of these deeper insights can sometimes run contrary to common thinking, and it was good to watch him explain it to thor

This is a really cool guest, i hope you adopt him

they need a podcast

1:05:00 I like the comparison with social media, but at the same time I feel like there's a distinction there. Because I do argue a metric ton on social media. But I also feel like I know when to pull the plug. Like once the other party resorts to insults and not facts, there's not point. I leave. The guy just proved my point, he lost composure, he rather insult me than try to understand me. Which is also where I try to pull the plug myself. If I can't understand what is coming at me, I'll try to do research, understand what I failed to understand. I should also say that the only times I do argue is on subjects that I already have a grasp on and try to spread knowledge on it. To at least try to minimize the wrong that the comment could bring onto someone reading it and taking it at face value. (Them eventually falling into an echo-chamber of misinformation). The goal is noble in my opinion, but I also see why it could be perceived as arrogant and detrimental if someone judges themselves too highly (from the ego... and I feel that if I keep listening we're gonna get to that point xd )

This conversation feels like modernized philosophes and gurus meeting to discuss life.

The inbetween dr. K is talking about is really similar to the Daoist idea of Wu wei. Really fascinating stuff

Being clinically depressed implies you can't think straight, but if that's the case, you're not thinking logically, which renders the original argument moot. It's entirely possible to be logical, feel really bad about your chances, yet still clearly see your options and make your choices. Do NOT shoo people away from logic. It's a great tool.

I'm curious about hunting ferrets and mustelids in general. Also if there's any breeding for them specifically like you mentioned about the polecats being bred with other mustelids.

1:50:00 all this stuff hes describing about auto-immune disease in the ferrets sounds like toxins. Stuff like PFA's and other chemicals that we produce that get stuck in our bodies and cannot easily be removed by autophagy so our immune system attacks it but its also stuck in our cells so it attacks our cells too. At that point, IgG-4 gets really high and lowers your immune response but not as much of the inflammation, so an infection can now come in and be way more dangerous than it normally would be because you immune system is chronically busy and taxed.

Henry is such a goat

Can anyone link to the music at the beginning? That mix?

Be on my own journey in that regard @ 2:27:20 very spot on about the silence between the thoughts. great way to think about it. thank you. Edit: I'm learning a lot this episode, the whole the choice is made you just follow it. nailed it @ 2:33:14 i follow everything your talking about. Honestly came into it on my own, then again the higher self = existence = everything = one = all.

I absolutely was pacing in games 😂😂 I used to just drive randomly in GTA V everyday before sleeping

I really want to know the name of that music which is playing before the stream begins.

I definitely run around in circles in games, often without thinking, it's a real thing.

OMG the intro music!!! 😍😍😍

55:52 I tent to be suspicious of both "shoulds" AND wants. Because want often comes from desire or emotion that is fleeting or only comes from part of the personality. I think the "third thing" should be examined as something different from want per se; though it may line up with it sometimes, there's potential for misunderstanding there. That's my impression. There's important space here to examine the difference between "self" (essence? "being"?) and "calling" as they discuss in the video and the source of "wants".

Are there other interviews that are similar to this?

daaamn that hairstyle is slick af!! Alok is lookin seggsy :D

1:09:16 So we have "self", ego, and logic/emotion as sources of motivation. Tentatively, what I see here is that these relate to different levels of self-awareness and ways of forming identity. Maybe... if you have little identity or sense of self, logic and emotions will tug you around in short-term directions, and you likely aren't even aware of the repressed or weakly formed ego driving things umconsciously. If the ego is stronger and more conscious and you're motivated from there, you might be more consistent and emotions and logic will be more reliably directed, but you will still be controlled by the reflexive comparison biasing your emotions and logic. You're still enslaved to your conditioned mind, traumas, and thought loops, but at least you have some consistecy. But you're still limitedly defining yourself - I am a ___. Beyond that, if you can start to connect with and have awareness of "self", then you start to be informed by and motivated from your sense of "meaning" as Jordan Peterson frames it. Logos in his terms, I think. And then a more conscious and individual learning process can start to help you "become more who you are", and the ego, logic, and emotions get stabilized and serve that higher process. You've stepped beyond defining yourself - assumptions - into the realm of learning. _Maybe._ Thinking out loud here. Best wishes!

(2:49:57) HAHA yeah, I do pacing so so much in games. In Dauntless where I have to wait for the Island Event to start, I just spin and spin my character in place. Other players around me copy, too, for some reason. I also notice some of my other friends do that. One friend is talking and explaining the challenge... and at the same time, they're doing figure eights around me and my other friend. that's interesting.

I have a question. So there was a moment when they talked about emotions, logic and ego. And that if you think with emotions and logic, you can't decide what to do. And when you think with ego, you can decide but it's unhealthy. And what is better to do is to think with this turia thingy, and use ego as a tool that is equal to logic and emotions. The question is: What is this tool meant for? What is its main purpose? What is the correct way to use ego?

More Thor, please!! These conversations have been so interesting!

This discussion is very valuable to me, thank you both for giving so many of us the opportunity to learn.

when i'm talking to someone on the phone it's too hard to pay attention to a game so i usually just run around my base in a big circle. (ARK)

Any link to the opening song? It's a banger, it'll fit well in my bojack horseman remixes lol

(There's a lot of I's in this comment, from someone wanting to use less lol) Do you have resources for decreasing the ego/"I" usage. That is something I struggle with a lot, an extremely high percentage of my thoughts and sentences start with "I". Not all come from the Ego, but even when it's not, I hate the sound of me saying/thinking I. I love these conversations you two have, they are fantastic and very much on topic for what I am trying to change in my life. Thank you for doing this, and I hope you have more in the future!

What is the book that dr. K mentioned reading? all about tapping into awareness more directly.

Does Thor Journal or Dr K, cause I have hard time finding a way to sort of log the process? Tried Journaling few times, but it fades out and I forget to read the history afterwards.

2:34:00 i thrive on those crisis situations. but i have found out that the quality of work is losing in that work. for example. among many things i edit videos for youtubers, movies/shortfilms. i was at very thin time crunch for one project due to my own fault. i had to finish it within 2 days. while same project given by different client, for that i had spend 1 week. the quality was so in contrast that i was ashamed of myself. the 1 week taken for project turn out so well that the client for first time saw 1M views on that video.(usually gets 20K ish views) he even promised to share 10% revenue after quarter year of that video with me. the work i did for first client within 2 days at the time of crisis event of deadline, didn't get that level of impression because it was blatant, generic edit. like a soulless body.

That was a great colab

56:50 Reminds me so much of the rhetoric I would hear often from some League players' complaints about ranked - they focus on the external factors of lost games (my team sucks, their team is stacked/smurfing, this/that champion is trash/OP, etc) come out of a loss learning nothing and then accuse ranked of being a coinflip (gambling) and a grind. Well of course it's a grind, they're bashing their head at a wall without introspection, without learning why bashing their head against a wall is a bad idea. But they just ignore the pain (if I grind long enough I'll get master/diamond/whatever) and keep on bashing with apathy and cynicism. That is fundamentally what it means to be hardstuck.

You two need to make this into a regular thing. The amount of stuff I learned in these talks you had is insane.

As a kazuya main i operate from "doriyah" all the time

These guys are badass!

What's the name of the book dr k was reading?

Funny that I hated programming back when I tried it, cuz' it felt like I have to fail 99% of the time to be 1% right. I only succeed once after failing numerous times. Thor seemed to agree with that, but viewing the process from different perspectives.

im very curious, with this talk about (specifically Thor's) drive and ego, doesnt the like prestige of runnjng the "largest ferret rescue in the US" sound like it comes from the ego? or is that different?

So Thor discussed that he sees the impact of his work and that motivates him a bunch. But what if you're a creator who's just starting out, having very few subs to begin with, and you're releasing your videos to barely 8-10 views? Where watching your analytics show like, barely anything, making the impact of your work, even more ambiguous?

wait you said that dissociation increases likelihood of compulsion and addiction and glossed over it😢i relate to this and didnt even know it

Where can I find Thors ferrets channel?