It’s weird too cause white is hardly ever aggressive and tends to avoid fights altogether. So you wouldn’t expect him to be ready with an axe after being knocked out😂
@@zwordsman That or Rusty excised it specifically from the lessons because it reminded him of dear old dad, all while grumbling "Morse Code? That was never fucking useful! Delete."
Dean might have got it but hank who had been deliberately sleeping with his eyes and ears covered probably didn't learn that it would be interesting to know how long he had been blocking the beds programming
I love how after 7 seasons, finding out that Dr Jonas Venture is basically just a glorified supervillain isn't that much of a surprise... like, at all...
Can you consider him a villain? He manipulated people and abused his power, he undoubtedly did evil things, but he was still terrorized by villains himself. He is a super scientist without a moral code, a sociopath. I’m not sure that makes him a villain.
It's so crazy the Pete White was the one to stop Jonas Venture even though he is just a level 1 hero. Nice to see Pete get some importance after taking the sideline to Billy all those years.
@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 @Sam Fisk to add into that, the machine is almost omnipotent and hates humanity and at the end of the short story it only has one human left to torture to satisfy his hate. Among other things he takes away his mouth, knowing too well this last poor soul needs to scream at the condition of his eternal endless pause-less torment, denying him this last form of relief
The way he treated Blue Morpho was genuinely villainous. Most of his monstrousness just came from being totally amoral and absorbed in the public image of himself, but this was active deliberate malice.
@@maliciousbugman the worst part is that maliciousness wasn’t even deserved. Far as I saw, Blue Morpho was a loyal friend to him, and Jonas manipulated that over and over.
I'm getting the horrible sensation that pretty much every bad thing that's ever happened in this show can be traced back to Jonas Sr. What, we're gonna learn he was the one who created the Moppits?
The show's premise is the inversion of action hero shows and the tropes it had as well as giving it the logical ending it deserved so yea we have Jonas and his team acting as a parody of old 60s cartoon and their exploits being given a logical conclusion that affects everyone even when he has died
Pete running in with the axe, yelling that they have to cut the hard line during such a huge moment for Rusty, reuniting with his father, made me laugh harder than anything else from the show.
i think the funniest thing about this whole situation is that blue morpho just happened to show up at the right time. Like, he didn't know Jonas was there, or awake. He literally just searched up "Venture", came to the building, and it was coincidentally at the exact moment Jonas was rediscovered after 40 years
Honestly a fate so miserable is exactly what Jonas deserved. Issue is he may still be alive or revived since the OSI has his head, and god knows what they want to do with that.
@@angelegipcioRusty almost became a villain Killinger gave him the choice, id love to see the show return and have Jonas be some kind of OSI Cyborg or something.
Matthew Arenson all the signs were there he was a terrible human being. You don’t get a son like Rusty unless you’ve done some hardcore nasty things to them.
that's the whole point: ever heard the TV Trope _Technology Marches On_ RECR: "There's no way you can defeat the superior power of my massive 56-kilobyte processor! " Coop: "I've got 10-year-old video games that are smarter than you!"
Also the opposite in that Ned lost his head and died, and all Jonas has IS his head and even after he died this time, lore wise, he'd probably be brought back by OSI or somebody at some point because, despite him being pretty much an evil, power-mad narcissist, he also more or less made half of what the Guild and O.S.I. does possible. He's too useful to be allowed to stay dead.
Rusty probably did, but he’s such a lazy ass that I doubt it would have registered to think it was Morse. Brock also probably knows Morse Code, but we all know where he was during that exchange.
? That's a room at the Venture compound But yeah, every season shows more and more of the "real" Jonas, while outsiders, good and bad, always put him on a pedestal
in this entire episode we see jonas and blue morpho struggle and it clips in and out of the virtual simulation where they chat. Makes me wonder if Jonas convinced vendetta to not open the latch but then vendetta was gonna humiliate him and play the sex tape. So jonas probably struggled to get the tape but failed. It showed so then he wanted to keep his image he probably opened the bay doors himself killing everyone else who saw. He probably knew about the life extending machine and would wait for his buddies to get him in it. We see how for the most part Jonas was frozen solid while others weren't yet frozen. He calculated it all. it'd be too obvious if vendetta just opened the bay doors. The show is awesome at misdirection and continuity.
Pete white! Got his axe and Helped kill Jonas venture a super villain for good. That's it. Pete white and Billy are upgraded to heros 5. And I'm being generous like Dr. Z says. I would upgrade there hero ship more if I could. But they would need henchmen and the whole secret lab. So they both a soild 5.
So, y'all think he's coming back? I'd love to see him in return in his full power, maybe we could see a real team up between the Guild and the OSI after the osi resurrects him and Jonas turns on them and goes rogue. Basically EVERYONE against Jonas, even the Monarch and Rusty would have to set aside their differences, it could be a fantastic way to end the show once we get to that.
@@gunner2225 He could show up in the upcoming movie, but who knows. He already got the ending he deserved though. Spending decades alone inside a machine only to be killed again in a sad attempt to regain power.
Jonas isn’t a super villain, how the fuck is anybody going to need to stop him? What’s he going to do disappear for twenty years to build an army of helpers? He doesn’t know how modern technology works and he never tried to take over the world when he was alive so he wouldn’t now. If he came back to life he would probably just rebuild the Venture compound and the cloning laboratory which would take years.
@@juliandavidhoffer2022 Exactly like everyone is getting bad person confused with Super Villain. Take a look at red death, a great super villain but really a kind caring father/husband and generally pretty nice guy.
Xyos212 I can definitely see that happening. Preferably if they kept Jonas only as a head and he couldn’t move at all. Definitely doesn’t deserve to get a new body
There's no way Dr Mrs The Monarch would let the guild destroy Blue Morpho without trying to find a way to let the Monarch try to talk with him. At least im HOPING thats the case. I want to see them connect.
I think Jonas was the one who committed the movie night massacre. Morpho called his bluff, and put something up on the screen that showed the crowd something horrible about Jonas, something so horrible, he decided that he couldn't let any of them leave alive. His luck finally turned though, and something went wrong, maybe somebody fought back, perhaps even the Blue Morpho himself, trying to stop him, and Jonas was caught in his own trap. Damn, I wish we could have found out for sure.
That's possible. However I feel like it was Red Death. He had the motive, the means and he survived the massacre. He even talks about it like he really enjoyed it.
As much as I hate to say it but Rusty turned out to be a better man and father than Jonas. Rusty even turned down being a supervillain when Killinger got him up on his feet and made a lot of progress in the old Venture Industries compound. But still turned it all down.
I always liked that ya the guild if calamitous intent are villains and often do terrible things but the guild constantly has those who are counter culture figures (musicians, artists and other working class figures) face off against the people thought up as the good guys like government officials and tech billionaires. It is an interesting commentary on how the people our society reveres are often horrible people
The trick is to keep your dirty work hidden, and hire a publicist to polish your image. A charity or two doesn't help either, they're a tax dodge AND good PR. (You donate to your own foundation and collect a paycheck for working for it)
You know it just came to me, what would happen if Jonas never died? And he was there when Dr. Venture still went on adventures with Hank and Dean and Brock? Follow up he meets JJ after the whole tumor being removed from Rusty’s body? With Jonas favor his firstborn or has other born?
Nope in fact hed probably encourage Rusty to kill or get rid of him. Jonas is a grade a narcissist and hed probably have a view that there is only room for one super genius asshole.
Come to think of it, it makes a certain amount of sense that the office building would have more complex systems than a space station. The space station is rather old, even if it was cutting edge for it's time. It would of had to of been built well before the original twins were born, let's say 20+ years ago on the low end. Come to think of it, Rusty was there as a child, so it's even older. I'm not even sure what Gargantua-1 after the Movie Night Massacre, it was crewed by only two people when we first saw it. The hardware is likely out of date. The office building on the other hand has been torn down and rebuilt. It also became a major tech company that likely kept it's systems up to date while Jonas Jr was in charge, including firewalls and the like.
I just watched the first season for the first time.... It probably isn't the case, but what if that "vision" Rusty sees of Jonas after he hits his head is actually some kinda hologram or something. I find it interesting that when he appears he asks if he's a ghost. He would've just came back from the darkness.
Yeah, it's likely that it wasn't; Hammer and Publick don't plan that far in advance. Though they take great advantage of the original scene's set up so between the boys being the boys, and Doc's ineptitude and his little head trip, it was plausible for them retcon that Jonas was inside the machine the whole time trying to communicate yet no one noticed.
@@taylorbeckett9686 or not a hologram. Doc could have learned Morse code at some point and forgotten it. On an unconscious level, he knew what the lights said and his hallucination was going off of that. I don't know Norse characters very well, I couldn't write in them, but I have a good hunch at what they mean from the few I fully remember, crossed with the words I know. (Then little tricks like repeating consonants, common vowels, that stuff).
"Wouldn't think an office building would have more complex hardware than a space station! It's taken over a year to learn its systems!" Terrifying to think what the creator of Gargantuan-1 might do with modern tech. We've advanced so much, ao quickly...
After heavy research and finally tieing a few loose ends together, it has become evident that Jonas Venture Sr. was actually 100% Force Majure (previous Sovereign of the Guild), which he may have kept low key, possibly even appearing as an anonymous head like his successor, the late great Mr. Bowie. The Movie night massacre was actually Bowie’s chance to usurp Jonas (Majure), hence as he stated, he killed his predecessor on multiple occassions making it appear that Vendatta was the one who did it despite the latter having no recollection of doing so? Bowie being a notorious, and talented shapeshifter jumped at the opportunity his Guild members created and most likely used a different guise, probably even Vendatta at one point once inside the space station and did the deed. This not only allowed him to terminate Jonas and claim the title, but also use the ammo from the event to incite the Pyramid wars in order to kill two birds with one stone while making it appear he had no involvement in the movie night massacre himself. We also all know that the Venture family has ties to the guild sovereign position which would also make 100% sense that Jonas inheritted the title. Too add more fuel to my theory, Jonas being the leader of “The Boys Brigade” that supposedly involved it’s members being kidnapped and held at Majure’s headquarters has Jonas written all over it considering he probably interaccted with it’s members, Prof. Richard Impossible and Phantom Limb as well and easily pulled it off to probably ensure that people wouldn’t put two and two together about his second identity. Any thoughts on this theory, let me know. But lets be real, the way Hammer and Publick tie all loose ends in their storyline, I can def see this being the main plot of the movie.
i think thats unlikely, considering we know that the bowie/sovereign was already the leader of the guild at the point of the movie night massacre. But i honestly like the idea, Jonas SR being a palpatine-like character and playing both sides against each other for his own benefit is very in character. there are many Star wars refences in VB. I wouldnt be surpised if they thought of something like that overall though
@@portugal5698 i don't know what you're talking about. Shapeshifter bowie was ALREADY the sovereign at the time of jonas Sr death. We see that in the flash back of red deaths when he explains what happened on the movie night massacre. I like the idea of jonas Sr being a previous guild member, or even force major, but we know that jonas Sr mediated the last accord between the guild and OSI. It seems unlikely he could be both things at the same time and still get away with it. Not to shit on your headcanon though
I hope we get some insight from the upcoming movie about it though. No doubt jonas Srs head is being revived/studied by the osi who want all his info. I'm sure we will see him again in some way.
Seems like trying to use the module to interact with the station's computer didn't work and instead caused the failure that resulted in it crashing to Earth back in season two.
@@anthonyfrias5533 Like trying to move something and accidentally setting off adjustment jets, not knowing what stopping them maps to, and then drifting out of geosynchronus orbit and reentering before there's time to figure out how to fire the opposite thrusters. Like if we stuck your brain in a car and you're acting like you're trying to move various parts of your old body. You find the accelerator and hit a wall before you have time to find the brakes or steering. Like, with no way to know, the accelerator maps to your left knee and the brakes were like, your little left toe. No way to know which ones besides trying and the brakes were where you least expect.
The attention to detail is insane. "Street Life" by The Crusaders was in the opening credits of Sharky's Machine, played that fateful night on Gargantua-1...
