Dragon Age Dreadwolf Is Likely BioWare's Last Chance - Luke Reacts 

This is also the first time I heard this, I legit cannot unhear it. I DIDN'T have as bad of a time with Andromeda as others had but anyone is a fool to say the game didn't have obvious problems. I guess the faith thing makes sense, but it wasn't what was heard. Plus subtitles were on, it SAID it too so they are full of it

I don't remember any dev saying that's what she meant to say... I don't remember anyone saying this to justify that line 🤔

Sad but true. I honestly feel my bar for being able to enjoy Dreadwolf is so reasonable I think I'm being overly charitable, all it needs to do is be as good or better than Dragon Age Origins, which to me is still the best because it had the best characters and story. I know the Doctors as they were referred to and Hudson is gone and probably most if not all the great talent that made Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 1-3 what it was. But if these new people can't make a game that is better than Dragon Age Origins a game that is 15 years old. I don't have any ill will towards those people if they can't pull it off, but you can't keep throwing money at the problem if it doesn't fix it. And I of course very much would like to get to experience a real proper Mass Effect 4 before I die. That being said when I played through Mass Effect Legendary edition and almost did a 100% run, it funnily enough gave me some closure, I even discovered some content I hadn't seen in the Citadel DLC before. So if they can't pull this off I will be sad since I would love for there to be more Studios than Larian and CDPR being able to pull off those sort of choice driven RPGs at that high level. But BG3 did end up giving me the sort of feeling I had playing Dragon Age Origins and I'm not even close to being done with my first playthrough. I've come to terms that BioWare is not what it was after forcing myself to play 30 hours of Andromeda hoping it would get good, realizing I didn't like the story or the characters. Larian has now picked up the torch they left on the ground a decade ago. Truth be told I don't know what the market for it would be and how many would complain that it would look dated. But I've been thinking for a while. What if they instead pulled back and made Dragon Age and Mass Effect into AA series? If it meant we could get the games on a somewhat similar schedule as we got Mass Effect 1-3 maybe. So long as they delivered a strong narrative, the same way pixel games is now an artstyle choice. If they didn't try to make it look like the shiniest new toy, but was on the level of Legendry edition maybe Baldur's gate 3 when it comes to graphics (let's be honest game looks great but no one is ever going to show off the game's graphics to people who don't know anything about games as some sort of technical achievement). Like I said I don't know if there would be a market for it, but in theory, it would be cheaper and shorter time (though don't do the insane 17 months Dragon Age 2 had, that was so dumb) to make once they had the first game down. They could focus more on engaging narratives, and rely on real-time with pause elements for those who want the tactical experience with Dragon Age. In this hypothetical scenario with a lower cost in development, if they charged 60 bucks for it like BG3 did. It might build back up their reputation bit by bit, give these younger guys chances to do it right while taking some risks. Doing what Dontnod has been doing with their games, creating an artstyle where people don't require them to look like Detroit or Supermassive Games. In the meanwhile Dontnods games have gotten better looking over time, yet clearly working within a budget. It's too late to do now with Dreadwolf, and who knows what type of work they have been doing on Mass Effect 4. But if this fails, and EA still doesn't close down the studio. AA could be the way to go, just look at Spiders, they're not blowing up the sales charts, probably in big part because their games still have a lot of eurojank. Yet, they are seemingly doing well enough to keep making games. And if these cheaper AA games succeed, EA can try to get back some of the money they have lost by selling the TV rights. Considering many streaming services are still trying to get their game of thrones, the world of Dragon Age could do it, so long as you don't pull a Witcher and hire a showrunner who doesn't like the source material as much as the lead actor. And Mass Effect could be a shot in the arm for sci-fi fans if handled properly, being a sort of blend between Star Wars and Star Trek.

@@johnpen269 You think 10 million people bought the game because it has maybe in total of 30 minutes of sex scenes if you include every character. Scenes that if it wasn't for having breasts would barley get an R-rating in a movie. You realize we have porn on our phones for every single preference, a lot of which I don't even want to know about. And if they wanted an interactive element why didn't people just buy any of the god knows how many porn games steam has? Your sexuality really must be fragile if you couldn't handle just saying "no thanks" to the fictional male characters. They should have made everyone straight just for you? Just in case it ever happens and you have some common decency if a gay guy should ever hit on you. Just say "I'm flattered/ no thank you I don't swing that way" at least from my experience a couple of times in my younger days when a guy has started to flirt. They will apologize maybe thank you for not causing a fuzz over the misunderstanding, and move on. You don't have to worry about becoming gay or being viewed as gay by association because they are not constantly thinking of you. They move on to guys who say yes pretty quickly.

@@johnpen269 Grow up

@@micrometeorite1967 never!

@@johnpen269 BG3 has its own share of problems and it's hailed as a masterpiece right now only because everything else is so trash in comparison (it would still be good and solid if it was released in like 2011, but not "10/10") - but your reasons are ridiculous.

Those words in that order is absolutely WILD!

Ahead of it time in being: broken, feature incomplete and stuffed with MTX

​@@ulrichleukam1068 Exactly.

Maybe in the sense of showing other devs on how to scam gamers.

Did it really now

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Well my understanding was all the department heads/leads for Bioware left the company once EA bought it. The DAO director was one of those who left and he said this in an interview. They all left. They did not like the culture EA put into place at Bioware or so he said. The head of the organization was in effect cut off by EA's acquisition. Gaider and a handful of others remained.

I'll never understand why they seem to hate DA:O so much. It was an instant classic. Every other DA game has been nothing but a spit in its face and a failure, in gameplay, story, or both, and I can't understand why

​​@@ChariMaharielI really enjoyed Origins, but the combat was ass. I absolutely despise anything that isnt action combat. Inquisition was a step in the right direction for me and Dreadwolf going to be pure action combat (hopefully) is very good news for me. Hope its similar to Dragons Dogmas combat. Currently playing Dragons Dogma 2 and I love the game. Especially the combat. Its so frickin fun and satisfying. Dragon Age needs to copy this.

​@@Oozaru85. No, thanks.

Please don’t say it was 10 years ago. lol. You got me feeling old af. 😅

The last games I enjoyed from Bioware were Neverwinter Nights 1 and KOTOR 1.

Andromeda was decent. I LOVED the combat, but everything else was pretty weak.

@@TheTrueErnie Eh I'd say Andromeda's combat was a mixed bag. The mobility, cover mechanics, and game flow feel better but there were a lot of sacrifices in other areas of combat. We lost the ability to control squad abilities, we were restricted to only 3 powers at a time, and there was a lack of great combat scenarios since most of the gameplay takes place in open world areas. Not to mention grinding crafting materials for weapon upgrades was a tedious chore at best.

2017 was 10 years ago???

Well, Dragons Dogma is great. But it has little to offer other than its fun combat. Dragon age was always about story and choice. So if DAD has good storytelling, choices for the player to make and good action combat, its gonna beat DD2 as an RPG for me.

@@Oozaru85 bg3 has kinda crushed everything bioware ever did with making choices....and i kinda doubt bioware was initially going for choices...they probably started thinking no one wanted that anymore or something

​@@Oozaru85You're tripping. Dragon's Dogma has way more to offer than just its combat. There's no other game out there that has a culmination of all the different mechanics Dragon's Dogma has where all of them are done perfectly. The pawn system, the classes, monster climbing, the world and the feel of exploration. There's other games out there that offer one or two of those things at a time but none have the formula perfected like Dragon's Dogma. The only thing wrong with the game is the performance and pop in. I'm about 20 hours in and I think it's just as good as the first if not better

@@brettpardue8786 Exploration gets boring very fast, especially since the world is very linear and you can only follow the roads and cant stray very far from them without hitting a cliff. Its not an open world, its a fake open world. The pawn system is unique, yes. But its anything but perfect. Pawns are dumb af. I cant even count how often those idiots died on me due to doing dumb stuff like jumping from high places, when there is a saver way down. Or running into the water and getting swollowed by the brine. They also dont react to my go command. Unless they want to lead me to a treasure chest or quest. But whenever my own pawn offers his assistance and I press go right after, nothing happens and he just runs ahead a few steps. Pawns are also boring and bland compared to companions in games like BG3 or Dragon Age or Mass Effect, etc. And hearing the same dumb dialogue lines over and over is driving me nuts. As for the classes: DD1 did it right. But I still wouldnt call it perfect. Thats highly subjective, imo. Like, whats the official defintition of a perfect class system? I dont think there is one. So, yeah. The game offers a lot, but most of it is just half-assed and far from being perfect. As the pawns use to say: a Jack of all trades is a master of none.

DD2 ? Have we played the same game ? This game is hot garbage. Only game I agree with is BG3 lol

Who said that?

@@dhruvo100 David Silverman, who was Marketing Director for BioWare in the Dragon Age 2 era.

@@BRNakamura thats a long long time ago

​@@dhruvo100 That's why he said it was the beginning of the end.

@@BRNakamuraI always thought it was Mike Laidlaw? Haven't at least both? And yes, that's when it started.

They didn't ugly up the women or make all the men gay?

​@@xhagastthey took out angles showing female booty in conversations. Unless I remembered it wrong

@@based-ys9um And so it begins...

Worse, it is only NOW that the industry is starting to acknowledge they may be going the wrong way. MAY. This video started with an add for Star Wars: Outlaws. I expect major game for the next couple of years to be like it.

Maybe they will do BG4 now as Larian will not do it. Cant wait for microtransactions.

​@@LakrimaProject Depends if EA is interested in funding that.

@@LakrimaProjectThey will make it a live service looter shooter. Warrior, monk, wizard, etc...all classes use guns to shoot purple orcs while halflings are loaded on carriages.

Those 2 BG games were made by the OG founders of Bioware, dudes were so based they quit working as doctors to start making games and there is literally not a single one left in the company nowadays..

They made Knights of the Old Republic too, Jade Empire... Man, what EA did to them was a crime.

They won't. At best it will be mid, I think. The old bioware you loved stopped existing a long time ago

@@Sarazoul You're right, and that's why I just revisit the older games and not live in lunacy that BioWare is the company it used to be. I'm beyond skeptical but I would still like for BioWare to regain some of it's former magic you know?

Would be a miracle considering development changed hands more than a few times.

EA is a scumbag company and maybe they have been causing issues, who knows. I honestly think Bioware itself deserves the blame for a lot of what their games have done though, I know the trend is to blame the big company and defend the devs but Bioware has been a joke for a long time now. I see this game being mid/terrible and it being the nail in the coffin and if so it is well deserved.

Origins was the only good one

Don’t give us hope 😂

Mass Effect died with ME3, I fail to see how they can recapture what was Mass effect following complete obliteration of any internal logic in Mass effect 3.

I hope it succeeds as well and I have a feeling that it will 😁.

A prequel type thing might work

We already know it’s in production, let’s hope it doesn’t get canceled

I love dragon age but hated inquisitiom and I still hop into that world occassionally

ME: Next has tons of veterans at the helm.

Apparently they still have their great art director Matt Rhodes. Pretty hard for him to carry it though. Poor bloke.

Considering that both Inquisition and Mass Effect 3 were great games, I am inclined to disagree. Besides, let's not put either Origins or ME2 on a pedestal here. Both were very flawed games with mismatched visions.

Yea I'm going to hold out hope. Too many great gaming memories. If they fail then they fail.

Even DA: II was okay, and Inquisition and ME III (but for the ending.) But I agree that Origins was EXTRAORDINARY.

True and tbh I dislike what they've done with art style starting from DA2, DA4 looks like a completely different game, sadly...the only thing I like is how they improved Qunari in DA2, though they look much worse in DA3...

Amen.

Inquisition, Anthem, Andromeda. It's not that recent. Bioware has been trash for over a decade at this point. Just close the studio at this point.

Definitely sounds more British than American to me.

yea it is lmao yet these people will buy it

I really don’t think BG3 is going to be the “standard” - I wish it was, but it more feels like a once-in-a-generation game. A lot of dev’s even made statements repeating that sentiment. Basically lauding Larian Studios whilst saying “Hey, this isn’t the baseline you should expect for every fantasy RPG”

@@abbypierce4196 Way to get away from actualy trying. When a record is set in anything, most top contenders will work towards breaking that record, not INSTANTLY throwing the towel without even the thought of actually trying. While I can understand indie studios delivering great games on another scale, major studios can't get away with that attitude.

If they use frostbite 3 and I heard differently but if it is frostbite 3 the game has no chance. None.

Yeah but the people that did don't even work there anymore they probably left and worked on BG 3 at Larian

With how Long its been. No. She would have negliable power over the game. If she just got in 2022 its far to late to make any major changes without restarting the project.

I have no beef with DeMarle, but idk why everyone thinks the writing for DE:HR was good. It was kind of ok. The dialogue was well written but the story was dumb and unlike the original game it took itself way too seriously. The original had a very tongue in cheek tone and had fun with the conspiracy theory stuff, while HR and MD made constant ham-fisted references to Icarus and acted like they were super deep when they really weren't. Also they hyper focused on only one single aspect of that world, body augmentations, and yet barely managed to explore the ethics or consequences of it with any depth at all. The writing for those games was super clumsy.

@@hobosox I 100% respect that analysis. I personally enjoyed the hell out of the narrative but your criticism is valid. How would you have written it differently, if you care to elaborate?

People care because they're attached to their IPs, what sort of question is that

DA2 was made in a year and a half. No studio can make a good game in a year and half .Esp an rpg. You can't make a good rpg in that short amount of time.

Obsidian : "Hold my beer!" - Challenge accepted.@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc

No offense but Solas is an objectively awesome antagonist. Way better than Meredith or Orisno (whatever his name was). Having someone who was our friend (or even lover) become a GOD TIER level being hellbent on destroying our world? That’s dope.

You kidding right?. I could not even look at that mofos face because of how ugly he was in Inquisition. I couldn't give 2 shits about his character. Inquisition was a pile of shite.

hopefully it has 2 major different ends: one which Solas fails and the other... well he did it, would be amazing!

And it can potentially set up the last game with either decision

I thought exactly this at the end of Inquisition: Bioware has in their hands one of the most interesting antagonists ever in video games. If they mess that up, Bioware really may as well just pack it in.

@@AretaicGamesMy exact thought as well. The fact Patrick Weekes (Solas’s writer) is still on the team gives me a ton of hope.

dead and gone

add bethesda to that list :(

@@uhhmarsupial8831 Did Bethesda ever make good games though?

@@LordZedz up until 2012 I'd say yes

@@LordZedz What they made was good in the eyes of their customers, that has now changed since they started chasing cash. Compared to other games? Sure they have always been pretty rough in comparison.

Can you share any details of what was said without saying names?

That's my reaction to a lot of what happens in games. An eye roll.

@@Palpad100 I have heard that DEI has been a major focus of the project since the start. Remember Bioware was caught consulting Anita Sarkeesian on Anthem. Think more of the same for Dreadwolf.

@@MisterMonsterMan Well, It all depends what they are going to do with it and the options we get.

Shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone who played Inquisition or (much much worse)watched the recent animation. Bioware has crawled so deep into that hole they should pop out in Wonderland any day now.

"Ik BioWare is not the same studio that made the classic Mass Effects or DA:O" "Maybe they can recapture that feeling old feeling from long ago" See how dumb your own words are? You literally just both acknowledge they are different devs while for some reason holding out hope they are the same old devs? What you are asking is for them to develop a game like a different company, that isn't going to happen and I think you know that as well.

​@@fish5645there's only one dumb comment here so and isn't the op

Oh stop with this narrative mass effect andromeda was not a bad game at all

@@ISGAMINGFORNERDS yes it was and you have zero standards.

@@traattatata7973 no I just don’t go on Reddit crying about video games all day

Helldivers hasn't had server capacity issues for over a month. Just typical bugs like all live service games run into.

id defintley recommend playing Origins if you get the chance, that game still is one of my favourites of all time, the sequels didnt even remotely come close.

Play the last two parts, they are also good) In addition, with the knowledge of what is happening in the world on the past parts, DAI will play new colors) However, knowing what happened in DAI will also be interesting to look into the past, when you now know the truth about the Dread Wolf, elves, dwarves, lyrium and so on)

Same. I just know that if dreadwolf fails, we arent getting ME4. Bioware will be done

same its way more important than dragon age.

I'm the opposite. Just because of Dragon Age: Origins, I'm a fan of medieval RPGs. Dragon Age 2 was mid at best and Inquisition as bloated as it was, was quite fun! Mass Effect is undoubtedly more successful and impactful but Dragon Age has been a name in the fantasy RPG space.

you know the same happens the other way around right?

Well make it important then. If Dreadwolf flops you WON'T see ME4; the studio will be dissolved.

I mean...to be fair...nobody can really beat Goku in DB...not even god tier Broly...

I loved Krem! He had such an interesting story relating to tevinter and gave such a great perspective on the world.

​@@onions831She, Krem is a woman

thats not happening

Bro this is the one thing all these youtubers ignore but it's killing the industry. They will refuse to mention dei or companies like sbi but then act like it's such a loss to art when studios like volition shut down or entire q&a team's get let go.

They are possessed by the spirit of EA.

To me at least games like TES and DA still have appeal bc theyre so much more accessable than bauldurs gate. I liked BG3 a lot but id be lying if i said a game like skyrim or dragon age origins didnt appeal to a wider audience

@@robertamodio2203 Generally the part that should be worrying them is the fact that BG3 consistently won player's choice in spite of it's niche genre. Against some pretty heavy hitters that in theory should appeal to a wider audience such as Spiderman, RE:4 and Zelda.

A man of culture.

Yeah from 3 started to hill down, I mean inquisition is good very good i mean magic and all. but but the story and choice and option and character very truly gruesome "blood cry"

Why not

​@@Potatomy inquisition was ass

I'm one of the few based on reviews that didn't like DAI either. MMO feel in a SP game and so many fetch quests that meant nothing along with wasted space for the sake of space. 70% of that game was a boring slog.

Good one 😂

That’s why it’s been ten fucking years of development. They basically scratched TWO different modalities of games and had to start over. Honestly, the game we actually see has probably only been created within the last four years.

The development of Dreadwolf initially started out as a live service game under the code name Joplin, but it was scrapped and the development had to start all over again. That’s why it’s taking this long for the game to come out.

The lead director for dragon age has been at the company fir over 20 years

But ME4 might not get the chance it deserves if DA Dreadwolf doesn’t deliver. If this is another flop BioWare is at great risk of being shut down, and we lose the chance for another Mass Effect. It’s all or nothing at this point for BioWare after the failures of Andromeda and Anthem.

Why would you even have hope after Inquisition, Andromeda and Anthem?. Bioware has been dead for over a decade. Just shut that studio down at this point.