I will never not think SSJ4 should have been canon. Besides the cool design, it was a real creative addition onto the concept of a Super Saiyan. Reincorporating the tail and Ozaru (*the actual main unique trait of Saiyans pre-SSJ*) into the Super Saiyan mythos is just such a cool direction, and really seems to tie their lore together. The Super Saiyan God stuff just feels tacked on to give them new hair color transformations. Here's this random ritual that unlocks GOD POWER! I don't even hate them, it just feels so creatively inferior to SSJ4.
@@digizilla164 Yeah, that's what I'm getting at too. The ape was such a key aspect of the Saiyan lore. Requiring mastery of the Ozaru form along with Super Saiyan works so well. Having the resulting form be a marriage between the man and the beast into one body was awesome.
Actually yes the ritual thing was dumb but the new hair color transformation makes sense.Ngl,I'm tired of people who loves ssj4 but call ssg and ssb just a color change. Like super saiyan god + super saiyan blue make total sense. Like super saiyan god is just base form combined with god ki which is just KI.What do you expect that combo to do?Make a red haired saiyan come out?It makes sense that goku looks just like he would look in base but the god ki makes him thinner and his hair red. Then super saiyan blue also makes sense since its just super saiyan being added to god ki.I'd be confused if i saw something like a ssj4 come out of this combo.Like its just SUPER SAIYAN being added to GOD KI.It makes sense that its not that different from their normal ki counterparts. (Plus I'm not saying that the design of ssj4 is bad.Its good af actually)
@@MrRWord Wasn't saying the changes are nonsensical given the concept they came up with. Just that they aren't interesting or creative additions to the Saiyan lore. God Ki is an interesting concept on its own, but they don't do anything intriguing with it via the transformations. You're right, it's just base Goku and SSJ Goku + God Ki. Absent the story doing anything interesting with what accessing God Ki actually means this is pretty lame. Plotwise it's just Ritual -> New, more powerful transformations. Maybe if they actually played more with the concept of what a Saiyan *God* (how the Ozaru wouldn't at least be related seems silly to me) actually is before granting the SSG transform, and then actually went into what it took to attain Blue. But the way it's presented in the story really is "they did some stuff, and now Goku and Vegeta have stronger forms (with new hair colors)". It just seems funny. Saiyans are a warrior race who conquered world's as giant destructive apes. A physical meld between Ozaru and Saiyan seems more like what a Saiyan God would be like, it epitomizes self-control. I don't even really care that they didn't use the same concept or design (I was actually excited to see what Toriyama would come up with instead), it's just that I don't think what we got instead was nearly as neat as it could have been.
@@LilBoyHexley Ohhh now I get what you meant properly.I like super saiyan god a lot but I have to agree that super saiyan blue could've been done better.Finally I found a gt fan who isn't toxic to me lol.
>Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks confront Zamasu from the past. Zamasu: You could not live with your own failures. Where did that bring you? Back to me. I thought by eliminating all of the mortals, the world would thrive. But you’ve shown me, that’s impossible. As long as there are forces beyond my control, there will always be those who will try to stop this planet from achieving its true potential of beauty. Vegeta: Yep. We’re all kinds of stubborn. Zamasu: I am grateful. Because now, I know what I must do. I will shred this universe down to its last mortal. And then, with the Super Dragonballs you’ve collected for me, create a new one. Teeming with life that knows not what it has lost, but only what it has been given. A grateful universe. Future Trunks: Born out of blood. Zamasu: They’ll never know it. *Ki blade* Because you won’t be alive to tell them. Goku: RRAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
Personally, Gt's ending feels like a "Goodbye" but Super's ending feels like a "see you later" kind of ending. By this I mean that one ending is more definitive that the other
With GT’s ending, it felt like a ‘this is it. This is the end. The best you’re getting after this is video games’ With Super’s, it was more ‘yeah, we’re gonna keep milking this as hard as possible for as long as possible’
@@tylercoon1791 super still a better show, i woukd rather see a good show end like gt than a shit one cuz it takes out all the emotion in it, u look back at the series and think, there wasnt anything that good to remember so you have to go to dbz and og db to be like yup this is a good ending.
@@pastjdzz hard disagree. With GT, you get an arc that tries to replicate the style of the Pilaf arc of Dragonball, but ends up being mediocre, an arc that both plays around with the idea of body snatchers and expands on the lore of the saiyans, along with giving us one of the coolest super saiyan forms in SSJ4, an ok-at-best arc that acts as more of a transitionary from arc 2 to arc 4, and ends off with SSJ4 Vegeta, SSJ4 Gogeta, the shadow dragons which gives consequence to all wishes made prior, and ends off with a great end. Super, on the other hand, has a mediocre remake of an ok movie, a mediocre remake of a shitty movie, a boring tournament arc, some convoluted time travel shit that goes on way too long, and ends off with the ToP, which takes the worst aspects of the previous two arcs by being a boring tournament arc that goes on way too long
@@tylercoon1791 nah man you're making gt seem like it was an ok show when it wasnt, the first arc was crap, like u said it urslef they tryna be ogdb but shittier, whole arc was boring and really did nothing excpet stuff that felt like bad filler eps, and it is nowhere near as bad as supers first arc, however its second arc was good, in gt standards, it went and explained why this parasite wanted revenge on the saiyans and id say thats a better arc than the ressu-f saga. But even how "not good" the trunks saga was it wasnt as bad as "super fking 17" an Abomination of an arc that does nothing except introdouce the next arc towards the end. And dont even get me started on why the ToP was boring, at that point you're just being petty, ppl enjoyed it and would prolly say that its the best arc of the whole anime and your "shadow dragons" is way worse than the ToP arc. The only thing that is acctualy better in gt was its ending
at least baby had a story behind it, not just some basic ass plot that every alien or AI movie have already beaten to death "huh humans bad, humans kill planet i never heard of before"
@@geovani60624 It's not even about humans, it's about mortals. It's a divine being disgusted by what he views as the failures of mortals, that's not necessarily award winning but I don't think you can really say that revenge stories are less beaten to death.
*slams fist on desk* I say og Dragonball! Why don't we all sit together to talk about what we love and stop punching eachothers teeth over opinions out?
I think a missed opportunity in GT during the ending is Goku not visiting/spending time with ChiChi. She would obviously not want to let him go and cook him loads, and eventually Goku could ask for his twelfth portion, only for Chichi to find the table empty by the time she's back. It would show that Goku cares for his wife a bit and say something about him since he chose to have her cooking as his last meal. Just a thought
Don't tell me that scene wasn't funny as fuck. Seeing Goku just act so casually with such powerful and godly beings is kind of part of his charm, at least in my opinion. He manages to touch them and connect with them in a way very few people can, just by being himself. Zeno took a liking to him just because he was acting like himself, and Beerus clearly took a liking to him too with just one fight. Same thing with Hit and even Jiren to a certain extent.
@@ginogatash4030 he was always a weakling. In the sense that Goku and Vegeta were already way stronger than him in Super Saiyan 2. He was stronger than Cell, and yet that amounted to literally nothing. Yeah he was useless in Super, but he kinda became useless in Z after awhile as well. That's what you get when your God isn't exactly that imposing...
In the Super manga Shin is way more competent and comes in clutch in several moments in the Goku Black arc. The anime writing staff mishandled him in comparison
@@MattManDX1 yeah, that scene where he shows up with Gowasu and explains every bullshit made by Black and Zamasu is great. The Goku Black arc was overall better in the manga, even though the anime had several moments which I liked more. Seriously, who the fuck had the idea to make Vegetto unfuse BEFORE the Final Kamehameha?
tyguy360Gaming Dragon Ball has come so far my man lol. What’s even crazy is that for a long time there was a point where none of us knew the franchise was gonna continue. Bless you Akira Toriyama !!🙏🏽🙏🏽
GT wins for me. At least Goku felt consistent with how he was in Z as opposed to the Man-Child claiming to be Goku in Super. And one other thing to note, the End of Z is still canon, so all the stakes and Drama in Super feel hollow seeing as how we know how it’s all gonna play out in the end.
GT Goku couldn't count and doesn't know how to use strategy in battle. he's waaaaaaay more stupid and dumb compared to super goku. Atleast in super goku was smart in battle.
moonsmonsters yeah when they ended get they clearly were doing it with the intention of the whole series ending for good. You can tell just by what they did but Super didn’t have that final feel because it’s coming back, not to mention the manga is still going
Opinions aside, I gotta say I really appreciate that GT had mostly consistent on model art. In most of the GT clips shown in this video the characters look good while on the Super clips half of them look really off and weird.
Thats kinda my thing, while there are some absolutely STUNNING visuals in super, the consistency is just not there man. Its bad enough to me that i just can't watch it despite Dragonball being my favorite series for the longest time. I just can't get past it.
Only the first two arcs where they didn’t try with animation because there’s already a movie version with some of the best animation to in Dragon ball has ever seen so...
Bro you clearly havent watched gt, tho the clips shown here was good, GT's usual quality is god awful at times, characters move so damn slow its painful
Interesting note. I'm sure people have had them cross their mind when thinking of db and specifically gt but they dont give it weight. The show is named after them to begin with and while the super dragon balls were used as a tournament prize they still went by the same rules. Maybe its just the end goal and everything else is the journey but they really did forget about them until and because they became so easy to find.
We got a form of it in DBS, with S Broly. I doubt DBS will ever make 4 canon, as it's a GT only thing, but it'll definitely use the principles of it. And S Broly is basically that character. But, who knows, maybe they will give us actual SS4 in DBS. :/ Though, if that does occur, I do NOT want Goku nor Vegeta to have it, as they have their own paths to power going on rn (Goku with his Angel power, and Vegeta with his God power). If anything, I'd want Broly to evolve his Ikari and SS power so much, that it would basically become something like SS4. :D That way, we have a GT thing in Super, and it works.
@@preds43 yeah I'd like Broly to get SSJ4. And Gohan to continue down his own Mystic path like in the manga. Would also like Future Trunks to get his own thing in non god SSJ but he did show flashes of Blue, so he'll probably cap out at SSJ Blue.
No, please never let that be canon. If that happens, then people will just be mad and complain about DBS rehashing stuff again, and they would actually be justified to complain in that situation. I'm a fan of bringing back the CONCEPT of SSJ4, but not the form itself, maybe we can get an expansion of the Ikari form that Broly had.
@@preds43 yeah that’s basically exactly all that I’m asking for. Sounds very fitting and yes I wouldn’t enjoy it as much if Goku n Vegeta got this.. sounds perfect the way you described it for Broly👍 thank you.
What's not funny is it actually works...I was getting ready to really laugh my ass off when it didn't even scratch the entity that was nearly unfazed by SSjB Vegito and caused him to de-fuse.
Goku in GT: Gets turned into a child by black balls Goku in Super: Gets turned into a child by the writers (Disclaimer: This is a joke don't take it too seriously)
Man, Goku was an idiot throughout all of Buu Saga, he just never got called out for it. Of course he does act more serious, but that's about it, and even then Super Goku acts more serious against the real villains (Black and Jiren), but is more lighthearted for a friendly competition (like against Hit). Goku's only problem in Super is he forgets critical information or is ignorant of something obvious. But then, in the Cell Saga, Goku barely understood his own son and dismissed his own heart disease against the Androids, and in the Buu Saga he didn't even consider what's wrong with expecting 2 toddlers to take down the biggest threat to the universe. And yeah, there's the whole SS3 debacle. Regardless, in Super he doesn't make "anti-Goku" decisions throughout the entire ToP, he's friendly and honest for the U6 tournament (a lower stakes battle), his weaknesses are exploited against Frieza (the one person who can exploit his weaknesses), and while he's a fool in the Goku Black arc, it's not like evil containment would just win anyways as Goku and Vegeta were still losing to Black already who could save Zamasu in a second, him not knowing what a kiss is is a stupid nitpick to complain about of all things, and him forgetting senzu beans...is pretty dumb of him, yes, but not any dumber than practically letting Buu resurrect to satisfy Vegeta's ego.
The problem in my opinion with both of them is that neither of them are focussing on the next generation. Like focus on Goten, Trunks and Gohan a bit more than just bringing them for humour or when you feel like it. I feel like Gohan could be made such a good and strong character especially since he defeated cell. Vegeta and Goku are awesome but they are getting old literally (since their like in their late 40's) and they should train their younger sons like Goku trained Gohan. I feel like Goku paid A Lot of attention to Gohan in terms of bonding and training together in comparison to Goten who just feels like his Gohan's younger brother and not Goku's son. They're meant to be 12 but look like they're 8 lol.
I remembered one thing from GT in terms of character growth albeit minor, Vegeta was the first to suggest fusing into Gogeta, normally it took Goku bugging him into fusing.
DBS still had more development for Vegeta. I loved that Vegeta took up the master role with Cabba and Vegeta also going to train under Whis for the first time showed that he pushed away his pride and finally admits that he doesn't need to be a lone wolf for everything. Whis and Beerus were the first person Vegeta ever trained with since he was a kid.
@@jantheking7028 Yeah I liked Vegeta's arc in Super as well, him becoming more mature instead of basically obsessing over being the best at all times, accepting training from others that sort of thing.
@@jantheking7028 Bruh, they retconned Vegeta's character just for that arc to occur.... Again. Dude acknowledged and became less obsessive with Goku after the final fight with Buu. It kinda makes his development (Again) pointless and not good whatsoever.
@@iman5147 No, he was only less obsessive with Goku in the moment of the Buu arc, just like he had done on Namek before Frieza killed him. He hardly obsessed with Goku in DBS, the only time where he might've done it is in the Tournament of Power when Goku got Ultra Instinct. The Moro arc shows that Vegeta isn't obsessed with Goku anymore, or at least as much as he used to be.
Baby: "I will stop Saiyans from becoming rampaging apes and destroying planets! -- I will stop them by becoming a rampaging ape and destroying planets!!"
Baby wasn't designed to STOP the saiyans. They had already long-since won. Baby was designed to take REVENGE on the saiyans, and destroying the world where the remaining saiyans live fits the bill to me. There's also a slight irony. "This is what YOUR race did to countless worlds. How do YOU like it?"
... They still made it though?At the time they thought it was the end why wouldn't they not put all the series moments in what was supposed to be the end and if anything the actual end is the gt movie with g Goku Jr. Super ended knowing it was still going to continue it didn't have the job of closing the series
I always thought Baby’s final look was interesting as he’s embraced the beastial side of the aliens that killed his world. A side even the remaining Saiyans neglect until this point in the story. It kind of was the ultimate slap in the face of the Saiyans in visuals alone. Idk I liked it, but Super Baby 2 is my fav of his styles.
@@lapplandkun9273 Yes let's compare the guy who grew up in a world of peace and prosperity (Rich AF family) vs a guy who spent months (years?) fighting for their lives and money had no value.
@@SprinklesServant many things Too many Why did trunksn goten become smaller Why was goku suddenly retarded And dafuq was that with the tingling back And too many other things
I’m not sure how that would be possible with super saiyan god super saiyan existing over a decade before get in the timeline. I would love for it to happen though.
@@jage6344 dbgt can always make a comeback maybe but imagine zeno once sitting and basically reversing the time back and not waking up beerus cuz he wanna see how much strong goku will get without God ki ik it sound stupid but it can happen!!
@@lasarousi that's a throwback name. I remember watching that while in my early stages of being a weeb, not leaving my room because I wanted to consume any anime I could find.
Its also good to note that GT was pretty much a fan made love letter to both dbz and the original dragon ball series. And they didnt have anything near the budget or clout super does, not to mention toriyama actually being involved. The fact that they can even be compared despite all that makes a massive argument for GT and makes me wonder how great it could've been if it did have those things
@@rifter4478 yes, she's the daughter of a half saiyan and a human, meaning she's 1/4 saiyan, her saiyan blood is the reason why the Super Saiyan God ritual was possible
Funny thing is, it didn't happen because no one could figure out how to draw a female Super Saiyan, even after they asked Toriyama how he would do it, so they just... didn't.
One thing GT did better than Super. GT stories tried to deal with changes and consequences all the time and actually making them stick. Goku being weakened. Having to deal with every big bad going forward. Baby being karma of past sins of the Saiyan race. Dragon Balls becoming the enemy after all this time of aiding our heroes due to the characters over reliance on them. Piccolo sacrificing his existence at the end.
this is the reason I like GT more than super. It actually feels weighty. Like the situations actually mean something. Super just has too much tension killing bullshit. Super dragonballs that can do basically anything. Zeno who can just erase any problem ever. Whis who can turn back time. Not too mention random power spikes like spirit sword bomb trunks thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate super. But i prefer gt to it.
Soulmakka don’t think you quite understood the point he saying that all these heartfelt goodbyes work as a closing to dragon ball as a whole but not for gt piccolo showed up for like 5 scenes if you haven’t watched it dragon ball your not gonna care about that interaction in gt
@@Binks7077 so by that then... LOTR: Return of the King had an awful ending as it relied on the previous two films for it's send off lol. GT just like Super isn't a separate story. It is a continuation of a story that begun in dragonball.
Nah. It was like the forced those themes into the series, and it was all they could depend on. That’s why the first arc was practically a copy and paste of the original adventures just with worse quality. In the end it never had a true identity. Whenever they had a chance, like giving certain characters development and shine, or executing great ideas the right way, they failed. That’s where I feel super succeeded. Not only did it continue db themes like hardwired, trust, pursuit of happiness, hope, etc. but it added new elements to the franchise.
Also, GT failed in the most important aspect of a db series: fights. Forget the story and all that, they couldn’t even execute fights the right way lol. That’s why super>>>imo.
@@leultrainstinct406 Super has literally no memorable fights, and the designs of the enemies with exception to Goku Black/Zamasu are all terrible. Who can honestly watch Jiren on screen for even a second without laughing/feeling embarrassed for his design? It's pathetic.
You almost got me, but saying that Super's "Ending" was a better ending than GT's was the nail in the coffin man. Like, sure, you might be a GT hater and stuff, but I can't even try to believe that Super's "ending" was more impactful than GT's. Call it nostalgia or not, Super's "ending" doesn't excite me as much, nor it makes me tear up. GT's on the other hand felt like a proper ending. Sure, Super's "ending" isn't actually an ending, because they WILL milk the series further more FOR SURE, but like I said, I didn't felt remotely excited to see the future. I just "pray" that it is better than it was until now. If it gets the same treatment, I'll still be like "Cool.", and nothing more than that. GT's ending makes me think of the whole series in a single episode, seeing Goku kinda "retracing" his steps and his journey, while giving us a proper feeling of "Wow, this was the ending. I'm glad for this series as a whole, even despite some GT arcs being pretty mid or bad". Super's "ending" makes me think "Wow, Goku sure is strong huh haha. Back to my usual stuff now". The ending doesn't have much "character" as the GT one did. Therefore I HARDLY disagree with half (If not most) of the video's arguments. But everyone have their opinion on stuff like that, and honestly, no one here is particularly "right or wrong", since they both have a different approach and stuff like that. But I do think that GT feels way less of a "hype train" or a "cash grab" than Super, in most instances. Sure, GT completely tried to "surf" on DBZ's hype and stuff, because it was HUGE back then, but you can feel the passion in some instances throughout the anime, especially the most "common knowledge" thing here, which is the ending, that makes people tear until this day. Super in the other hand, sometimes feel jarring to watch, because you KNOW Goku will win, or IF he gets close to "dying", he will transform in Super Sayian fucking orange or SUPER MEGA ULTRA INSTINCT and beat the shit out of the antagonist. Super FEELS like it is just something you watch to unlock your neurons to some good old punch and magic spamming, other than watching for the story and stuff. My point is, Super is just a "hype driven anime", making you go "Cool." more than "Omg, what will happen after this?", which isn't a bad thing, but completely throws the development the characters had prior to Super. GT is more of an adventure anime, with some good fights here and there, but makes you feel pressed against a wall more times than Super ever did. It has it's "Deus Ex-Machina" moments, like the Super Saiyan 4 stuff and such, but I personally prefer getting 1 "overpowered form" (Or 2, if you also count Gogeta SSJ4) over about 3 overpowered forms (Discounting fusions, which add to the stupidity of the power level numbers), one getting more overpowered than the last one (And we all know that they won't stop making more forms as the show goes on). It honestly feels just like I said, you get "hyped" to see what ridiculous different form they will create for characters next time (Look at the new DBS Super Hero movie XD). It's not particularly a bad thing if you just want the action, but if you want ANYTHING OTHER than the action, you won't get much quality and development as it once had, in DB, DBZ and heck, even DBGT. I hope I didn't look like I wanted to offend anyone or anything, but just like Mark shared his opinions, I wanted to share mine. We're both probably "wrong", but there's no actual "right or wrong" in opinions, like I said, when it is a personal preference thing. And I also hope that I was able pass my thoughts and opinions straight, not making it redundant nor confusing to understand. I also grew up with this series being a huge part of my life, not just my childhood, so of course there is a bit of nostalgia trip still in me, but I honestly tried to throw most of the nostalgia out of the way as I wrote this comment, and try to not make it extremely biased, but also making sure that I got my points and arguments as I honestly feel like they are.
I like GT because it felt like Dragon Ball at the beginning, before Z. I grew up in Mexico and we had the original Dragon Ball air before Z, so GT had a more nostalgic feeling.
A lot of the reason to love DBGT is nostalgia based. I watched the entire dragon ball series in 2015, and I watched DBS in 2018 and I liked DBS a lot more than DBGT. DBGT peaked at the Baby arc and I was uninterested at the Super 17 saga. I got interested again for the shadow dragons, but the arc disappointed me because of how weak it made some of the dragons despite hyping them up beforehand. I watched it all at once, so it might be that I was burned out when I got to DBGT, but with that in mind I did prefer DBS to DBGT. It's just an opinion tho, I plan to watch DBGT again in a couple of years to see if it was really as bad as I remember.
I liked GT as a kid. They were back to adventures, but now in space. Everyone grew up and it was interesting how they changed. Goku running through villains in space made sense, they weren't a universal threat like Buu.
Eh it sounds good on paper but it was executed horribly. There could’ve been crazy new adventures, but instead they just ripped off the original db adventures to shove nostalgia in our faces. That’s the exact reason they turned goku into a kid lmao. You could say it was to nerf him, but when you nerf the main character the other characters get shine and development. Pan and trunks had NONE of that. And that’s ultimately why the first arc failed.
Good idea but horribly done. Like, we've got a bunch of boring nobodies, with poor designs, uninteresting (Or sometimes creepy in a bad way) personalities, with uninteresting powers.
Literally the most rational argument I ever heard for GT vs. DBS. Most of the time the argument's either that DBS fans aren't true DB fans or that GT fans can't prefer the series because it's "not canon". Great vid!
@@meganinten0078 GT is a great finale, but not for GT's merits, if the series was just GT it wouldn't be as good as it is, if at all because Goku's goodbye to his friends means nothing without DB and DBZ, as everyone but Goku and Pan do either very little or nothing at all, and all Pan does is getting into trouble for Goku to save her, even Vegeta gets left behind, his only contributions to the series being getting taken over by Baby and fusing with Goku, and while those are big moments he's just a plot device rather than a character with actual agency that shapes the story, and worst of all in my opinion, despite being one of the three main characters, at least until the final arc, Trunks is only there to drive Goku and Pan around. what I'm trying to say is that GT's finale only works if you know Dragonball already, while Super's finale serves as a good end to its own series, and even that relies on DB and Z's nostalgia though not as much.
GT had the best ending out of every DB series, it basically sums of everything the Z warriors went through. A chilling moment of what the future may be
An interesting Baby v. Goku Black note is that the encounter with Baby directly shapes the final narrative arc of GT and the overall theme, the over use of the dragon balls. Whereas Goku black as an arc does little for the overall narrative of Dragon Ball Super or the character's development.
@@renatonovoa8125 I don't think we really needed the Goku Black Arc for that aspect. I think the Tournament of Power demonstrated that better with Zeno mercilessly deleting universes left and right
The argument basically boils down to, “Was the Baby arc better than all of super?” I love Baby, but his arc just wasn’t enough to carry the rest of the show.
This is Mark's subjective POV. For me, I did enjoy parts of Super 17 and Evil Shenron arc. Not to say they're good or anything but there are elements that I like especially the latter.
The rest of GT was half the length of Super so Baby's arc absolutely carries it. The question you should be asking is "Was the ToP arc enough to carry the rest of the show?"
Facts. Especially roshi holy crap that was beautiful. He even god respect from vegeta and the strongest god of destruction. Tien had some nice moments too. The fact he opened his own dojo to teach the next generation was great to see and perfect for his character. But in gt they do absolutely nothing. Only thing krillin did was die lol.
i really love the part when SSJ4 Goku gets really serious when Pan gets absorbed. Goku makes a speech that life is nothing without freedom, and builds up rage because one of the shadow dragons took away Pan’s freedom. It really moved me when Pan screams to Goku to kill her off with the dragon, And that to me shows that Pan is not just a kid but a true Z-Warrior that is willing to die for her planet and friends. (Also I really love SSJ4 and Dragon Fist)
it also really sucks that they couldnt think of a name for the new transformation and just lazily called it SSJ4. because in reality its the Ascended Oozaru form which imo is the "true" potential of the Saiyan.
@@Lord_Dranek Goku believed grandpa gohan was in the 4 star dragon ball and felt a personal attachment to it. I like the idea of the best things for goku always being attached to the number 4
DBZ even suffered from not being able to part with certain characters for too long. They loved keeping these characters on the sidelines to cheerlead, take bearings and ooh and awe at Vegeta and Goku. I can appreciate greatly GTs mentality of "if you aren't going to use these characters get them out of here."
I don't think it's GT's fault so much in the Utilziation of the other characters well most of the old cast anyway. If nothing else it is consistant with Z's ending, everyone's either too old or moved on or both. Goku's the only one that really earnestly continues his training because of course he would which leads slight credence to 'Goku Time'. Vegeta mellowed out in Z so it explains his characterization, the Humans just stick to whatever they would do living out the rest of their lives with likely Tien only training cause he's the most discplined. Goten and Trunks could of done more to have the torch passed on to them, but even Z showed they grew out of fighting in most cases so it is consistant. Gohan well he wasn't humilated like well Super, if nothing else he showed he could have the life he wanted while being some what combat capable if needed. The real mixed development was furthering Pan, Uub and argubly Bra/Bulla(Though she was basically Bulma 2.0)
@@Naruku2121 Gohan, as poorly as he was treated in Super, at least did something. Gohan in GT was useless, he didn't even have his ultimate Gohan form, he never took a single 1v1 fight unless you count under Baby's control against Vegeta (even then I think Goten joined in at the end?), in big fights all he did was get blown away and feed energy to Goku.
@@Junebug89 I did say some what capable. His highs may not been as much as Super's even if that's still some what marginal. But his low's in GT is definitely not compared to being humiliated into a pathetic slump that could barely even go ssj anymore.
Super made every character relevant. They all had their moments. All of them. And that was wonderful. They made technique important again and stopped being so obsessed with characters who are so much more powerful that they make everyone useless. So obsessed with power levels. The best thing they ever did in super was making power levels far more vague. Hell they even brought back future trunks and made him more interesting and gave him more character development and more to do than even z. Suowe does so much right that makes up for what they did wrong. Gt has nothing. Nothing other than designs I guess. The story is trash, the fights do NOTHING new, they loop animation constantly again, theres no technique going on, the stories are dont feel like dragon ball, it feels like fan fiction, and there is ZERO character development for a single character in gt. None. Even goku is far far far more one note in gt.
Spoiler alert: The show with villains that steal other people's bodies and have crazy strong entities fight Goku and Vegeta in the final arc is the best show of the two.
@David Loisel Its almost like you forgot the gods shenanigans. Super would have been nothing without the gods. Goku also never won a major battle in Super. Lost against Beerus, Hit, Frieza, Goku Black, Fused Zamasu and Jiren. (Jiren actually beat him in MUI until he received the power of friendship-stinct)
GT's character designs are fucking rad. Look, Omega Shenron practically RADIATES his evil aura, while Jiren looks like that one weird alien watching me sleep outside the window.
It wasn’t all that tbh. Just a big ass head with giant spikes on his back lol. It was better than jiren’s tho. But compare that to characters like Moro, Granolah, Merus, beerus, goku black, the angels, etc. it’s not really a contest.
I recently bought the DVD set for GT and did a rewatch, while showing it to my girlfriend as she never watched GT (She did watch DBZ and Super). While the first part was indeed painful to watch, and the action scenes felt plain, she acknowledged the writers put some good effort into the series. The whole Baby arc was great since it feels it derived from Z, and totally believable. The dark dragon saga was also great (in paper of course) because it pays off what the Elder Kai was being speaking since Z regarding the misuse of the dragon balls. And the ending made her cry, because it felt the ending the entire dragon ball franchise deserved.
Bro I am so soo soo emotional person that DBGT made me cry when goku left everyone riding the back of shanron and then they showed the whole journey of goku and it felt so emotional with dan dan kokoro emotional ssj4 theme song ir still makes me feel cry 😭
GameWithAdam In a completely different series (Babylon 5), they thought the show is being cancelled, so they made the final closing episode. However they got one more season, so they just moved it to the end of that one. I had the same feeling here. It was recorded at the end of Z, and just moved to the GT.
So ... Original Dragonball review when? In all seriousness, amazing job these past few months reviewing these two series. You made a lot of good points and I had fun watching how you edited the material. Can’t wait to see what’s next!
It'd get no negative points. It's just a perfect series. It starts off as a gag anime with light villainy and then goes to training and a tournament with every unique concept in combat on each tournament. Red ribbon Tao and Piccolo were like the absolute evil entities for earth compared to other villains in series giving those villains the highlight they deserve instead of trying to make more evil villain than Frieza and failing everytime and it ends with Goku marrying ChiChi. For God's sake best Dragon Ball series there with not much plothole like how Krillin could cut frieza with solar flare and destructo disc while he used Kamehameha in budokai tenkaichi just to blind Goku for the kick he was preparing.
@@jantheking7028 I want you to mention a single memorable villain that doesn’t just use his fists to beat Goku. Moro at the start was unique and great, then just became a knockoff Cell. They always manage to completely destroy potentially amazing villains. It’s sad. Gohan should’ve become the main character after Goku’s death. Also, death has no consequence. There’s always the dragon balls, and they completely ignore the fact that you can only be revived twice. Goku died more times than that. Vegeta should’ve permanently died in the Buu Saga, Goku in the Cell Games, etc.
I feel like super’s development in super saiyan blue was too rushed, we didn’t really get a history or scenes where Vegita and Goku achieve super saiyan blue.
@@raphaels33 I didn't like the ending, it was too mysterious with the ending. Like it didn't even explain what deal shenron made with Goku, or why Goku chose to abandon his family for the rest of his life.
@@jantheking7028 goku acctualy died on the battle again sheron he made a pact to sheilong to keep him alive for the last time the last batle at least ultil defeat sheron ... goku knew It vegeta knew It but they make misterious for us for the plot purpose ... I think was pretty creative and unique.
Vegeta's changes were way more subtle in GT, which seemed more realistic, imo. Vegeta is Super seems like a completely different person and almost no real time had gone by between Z and Super. In GT, you have him showing little insecurities, like his moustache. Taking Bra out shopping. You have that moment in the end, where he did in fact call himself an Earthling, with Saiyan pride. Those would have been his last words if it weren't for Goku saving him.
@@saiyan_og9678 i don't think so, he felt like he was just vegeta from the cell/android saga most of the time. But his daddy vegeta stuff was sparse but rather good around bulla being born and the amusement park
Yea wow, what a great villain, I liked the part where all of the character development we got for him was him seeing rock men kick each other, and that's it, it's not even like the way he goes about his plan is cool or smart, its borderline impossible first of all, but that's one of many dragon ball plot holes so that gets a pass, but it's so contrived, why didn't anyone stop zamasu, why didn't Zeno care or kill him( the manga does it a bit better) OH and I love the part where they don't destroy the planet even though that they can and that would kill everyone on it but that would effectively stop the arc,and the part where the killed all the gods but and tried to destroy the multiverse but no one stopped him even besides the gods,and how they retconned the earnings for no reason at all and actively contradict multiple things, and how trunks gets a bullshit form for no reason or explanation that noone else has, or how the whole arc could have been solved if Goku wasn't turned into a idiot
@@prabalkamra7763 only 10 people gave there energy in TOP on the other hand when Goku used Spirit Bomb against omega people from many planets shared their energy. Screw GT spirit bomb , even Spirit Bomb used against buu was stronger than TOP spirit bomb.
Call me crazy, but I feel like mark was a bit biased on the ending bit. GT was supposed to be a final send off to Dragon Ball. A way to clearly end the series as a whole. Super didn't feel nearly as impactful to me personally
But I think he's right that the ending of GT felt more like a send off to Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. GT itself was barely a factor in that ending at all. It's an ending that shows you all of the good times with the series and is meant to be a sendoff of the whole franchise, while almost completely excluding any memories from the last third of the franchise, the series we just watched, almost like it's admitting that GT itself wasn't really worth remembering fondly. It's a good ending for the franchise, but a bad ending for GT. Super meanwhile has an ending that fits the specific series and was never meant to be the end of the franchise, so it comes off fitting far better overall.
@@DevilHunter1994 also there's the fact that both Tien and Yamcha don't even get ANY dialog in the ending(plus the whole show). In GT tien has like five seconds of screen time and Yamcha has the less than that
Funny things is: people praise Super for being "made by Toriyama" when both GT's initial character designs and story were made and suggested, respectively, by him as well.
Toriyama had no story involvement with GT. All he did was give some advice about the initial character designs and positions. That's the whole point. The Toriyama element was missing in terms of story. That's why GT's story is so different and relies on spin off ideas of existing lore. It's how fans right.
Lmao what are you on??? Toriyama made a handful of designs and THAT WAS IT. He did not like gt. He did not write a single story for gt. Not one. If he did, he would t have ditched gt entirely like he did and made it completely non cannon. He purposely did that.
Opachopp I mean GT ruined Goku’s character too... Goku was portrayed bad in the first half of Super yes but in the TOP he becomes good again. Plus Super made some of the characters better than they ever were. Perfect examples are Frieza and Android 17.
16:36 "A quiet, reserved, nothing character that reacts to things happening to him, rather than causing the plot to happen". - Painfully accurate description of my life.
Super honestly looks and feels like fanwork. Even late into the show the art style is lacking, everyone looks plastic and the backgrounds look fuzzy or washed out in many scenes. DBGT had a lot of issues, but I certainly think it felt more like Dragonball and to a lesser extent Z than Super ever did, especially given Super inexplicably took a leaf from the simpsons and turned their main character into a simple minded idiot who constantly acts like an asshole
and that's balanced out completely by the animation... Super has dozens of fast, super expressive, incredibly elaborate sequences of sakuga animation, the Goku vs Gohan fight, Frieza's battle with the Assassins then Goku, Gohan vs Saonel and Pirina, every fight with Jiren, every fight with Black, some small sections of the Beerus fight. and dozens of other cuts across the board. GT's animation is fan-made-tier. relying far more on loops and motion tweened graphics over static backgrounds. The show also basically ditches the concept of choreography as a whole, relying on static characters firing lines of ki-blasts to make animation simpler and cheaper. If I were to rank all the sequences of animation into a combined list from both series, I'm not sure GT would have an animation sequence in the top 30.
@jesus barrera so what you're saying is because DB and Z are from 89-95 they have bad animation and choreography too? Cause that's not a statement I can agree with for multiple reasons. The year it was made in has nothing to do with the fact that gt did nothing special with it's animation.
@jesus barrera you say "no shit sherlock...." but this isn't video-gaming... it's not rendering... it's ANIMATION... MOVEMENT, the fundamentals don't change. Snow White from 1938 still has fucking beautiful movement. And Dragonball is far older than GT, but has far better animation sequences.... (Goku vs Roshi, Goku vs Tien, Yamcha vs Tien, etc....) so your argument isn't obvious... because it's ABSOLUTE horseshit
Me as a GT fan before watching the video: "This is just going to be 24 minutes of GT bashing like every other video on the topic." Me after watching the video: "Huh. He was actually fair and balanced in his critique. Wasn't expecting that"
GT had better concepts but really bad execution IMO, and as for animation, we have to remember that Super has the advantage of 20 more years of animation technology. But super was just really, really freaking stupid.
Thats not right. Animation had already reached a high level by GT's time. There hasn't been any significant advancement in 2d. And GT had some really stupid ideas. Android 17 and Hell fighter 17 are just dumb. The bigger problem is how much those ideas relied on previous DB storylines, making them fanfictiony.
Yea, but the fusion itself was ruined, they literally copy and pasted Vegito's personality and put it on Gogeta. Gogeta isn't supposed to have a joking around personality, he is supposed to be serious and get the job done.
@@jantheking7028 And that literally what killed ssj4 Gogeta, He could have been powerful and would have shown all kinds of different moves and powers or different unique abilities to make him the OP monkey saiyan fighter to defeat that shadow dragon, but they made him a joke, and that's really such a wasted potential character for him to become.
@@MeatYourDEMYRO Wouldn't it make sense that gogeta would be like vegitom Vegeta has the dominant personality, so it's likely that gogeta was going to be like vegito
In the character part, you’ve forgot about Vegeta in GT vs Super. In GT, Vegeta acts more of a family man than what he does in Z and he does develop in a good way, he also quote to say that Earth is his home which is a nice touch since we can see how much Vegeta has changed and also during the Shadow Dragons Saga where Vegeta was the one who suggest Fusion and not Goku. In Super while yes we do see his development with Cabba and that quote he talked to Black whem beating the shit out of him and also telling Trunks to learn to fig he for himself is here and all, but it’s mainly just a repeat of Cell Saga Vegeta and Buu Saga Vegeta. He wants to surpass Goku in the beginning of Super cheering on for Goku at the very end of the series. And also where Vegeta does a repeat of the Majin Buu saga where he doesn’t care about himself surpassing Goku and more about others like the same quote he did before he use his Final Explosion Attack on Toppo which is just dumb.
Yesss , you explained GT vegeta vs super vegeta excellently. I also hated how in super they made vegeta beerus maid, that pissed me off and showed how much he regressed from z especially after that his speech while fighting kid buu on how he respected goku
@@treemane0 When you hate how beerus orders Vegeta around they call you a Vegeta fanboy, but I wouldn't mind it at all if he treated Goku the same, clear Goku bias from the writers smh
@@treemane0 Beerus is a literal God what do you expect Vegeta to do? And beside now that he has Blue Vegeta doesn't need to care about Beerus anymore. It's called long term success vs short term humiliation dude
@@theshermantanker7043 Like I said, I don't mind but why does it have to be Vegeta only? Goku is never treated that way, hell at that weird party beerus went out of his way to not let Goku find out about monaka but didn't care about Vegeta, what was up with that?
Vegeta during gt had development though theres scenes like when him and goku were gonna fight and when goku got hungry vegeta just starting laughing. Its a little scene but its a fun moment of vegeta. GT bulit off of vegetas character during the buu saga and did a lot more than what they did to him in super. Lets also remember that vegeta brought up fusion when in both dbs and the buu saga had vegeta complaining about fusing with goku. Theres also vegeta's motives and that he let bulma give him more strength. If you wanna see more just watch Sal the saiyan's video about GT Vegeta's motives
Now if you think about it Vegeta GT's development really is kind of the pinnacle of Vegeta's development. Okay maybe that sounds a bit too much, but it does show a much mellowed out aproach, while Super had Vegeta's personality circling at various points. Vegeta's willingess to fuse with Goku is a magnitude in his character. Even his Ssj4 transformation, while maybe a lot of people and some die hard Vegeta fans take issue with him needing help and maybe even the method itself it actually cements the bond and love he has for Bulma that he claims to have after of course that sacrifce and his change in the Buu Arc.
God Of Savages they made Vegeta a fool some of the times in Super. Like the bingo dance and him suddenly cooking for Beerus and Whis. I found those moments hard to watch. Super did really well with Vegeta though, just not entirely in my opinion. GT did better in my opinion, as Vegeta is shown to have developed. He asks for help with a transformation (which you wouldn’t catch DBS Vegeta doing that at all), and he even brings up fusion without complaining. Vegeta in Super had to constantly be told “Hey, world is on the line. Do you want Bulma dead?” then bam, he’ll fuse. They did that THREE times, which it got annoying.
God Of Savages True, but in GT, Vegeta asked help from someone he cares about dearly. As in Super, Whis was just a mentor and that’s it, nothing too special to Vegeta (even though Whis is Vegeta’s first mentor).
I think it’s an issue of execution. Dragon Ball GT had much better and more unique ideas, yet in the moment to moment fell flat. Dragons who punish the Earth for their over reliance on the Dragon Balls? Super interesting. Long winded boring episodes that don’t feel satisfying to even watch? Less so. Conversely, Dragon Ball Super’s ideas were less interesting, yet better executed. Yes, an evil Goku and two tournament arcs are perhaps the most uninspired thing you could come up with, but each was executed well enough to be engaging each episode even if they have massive holes. Bad ideas, good execution. It’s the reason people enjoyed the Future Trunks arc when it aired and only really saw that it made no sense looking back. Dragon Ball GT was generally despised during its run, yet has garnered respect all these years later. They are polar opposites to one another, which I think is kinda cool. Edit: I’ve unleashed demons in the comments lol.
I agree dude but even if a Dragon ball GT has a very good execution it still has alot of plotholes but I agree with your points completely. Im not fan of GT nor super.
Idk, GT has a little respect now, but that's because Super divided fans tenfold. If Super didn't shit on Z harder than GT did (in many aspects, but not all of course), GT probably wouldn't have this respect. Not to say GT isn't dogsh_t, but Super definitely missed the mark more and less at the same time, or rather, every other episode, because they literally had new staff each episode. Also Super did execute things well. It executed any hope I had for the future of this series, unless I lie to myself, every other week of course. Horray for inconsistency!
God Of Savages yeah I just looked online and there’s no news articles confirming a new series, just possibilities and rumours that have been denied by Toei
Goku is characterised better in GT than in Super and Vegeta is (more or less) the same in both give or take a few things. GT Goku is very intelligent for the most part, in contrast to Super Goku who is even more childlike than he was in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball
@@HeavyMetalBeliever ultra instincts isn't a transformation but rather a Technique where goku in his base has better control of his movement. Now ssg to ss4 is a much topic of discussion interms of whats makes more sense story wise.
@@janetgarrenson5526 I preferred SSJ4 to SSG/SSGSS even though SSG/SSGSS was implemented a lot better in comparison. Goku becoming SSJ4 for the first time is one of my favourite transformation sequences in the entirety of Dragon Ball, so there's a slight amount of bias towards it (for me, anyway).
As a long time Dragon Ball fan, I have to say that while both series have their ups and downs, I personally think Dragon Ball GT was the better series, at least in terms of how I enjoyed them. Yes I will say Super did a lot of things better, and one might say my preference for GT is based on childhood nostalgia, I personally think GT was better structured.... in fact, I kind of find it underrated. Even if there's many places that had wasted potential, as well as a lot of overall silliness (and that dance scene), I think GT contributed a lot more to the franchise and that it doesn't get as much credit as it deserves. I like how the first arc returns to Dragon Ball's roots, regardless of it's questionable quality, and even if it's kind of childish and has plot-holes, I actually like it. We get to see more planets beyond Earth and Namek, other races and alien cultures beyond the Saiyans and Namekians, and it's interesting to see the state of the galaxy in a post-Frieza era. I like Baby and the expansion of the Saiyan's history with the Tuffles, I like how the Dragon Balls themselves become the antagonist in the final arc, combining the adventure of OG Dragon Ball and the action of Dragon Ball Z, and of course, the ending, which felt like a proper conclusion to the entire Dragon Ball franchise. (Super 17 can burn in HFIL for all I care...) As for Dragon Ball Super, I enjoyed it at first, feeling like I was 7 years old again and seeing my favorite characters again for the first time in years, and I will agree that it did a lot of things better, yet at the same time I feel like it didn't hit the same marks GT had, but that's just me. I do like how Super is closer to home and has the characters as they were when the Buu Saga ended, how it expanded on the Other World side of the lore with the inclusion of the Gods of Destruction and the Multiverse, how Goku learns of the Super Saiyan God power deep within him, the return of Future Trunks, the return of Frieza and making him even more dangerous and cunning than ever, and of course, the Tournament of Power with all it's unique opponents. Despite that, I just feel Super relies a bit too much on nostalgia for the previous material, and there are times when it kind of feels like a fan-fiction rather than an actual continuation (in fact, there was an old fan-manga called "Dragon Ball Multiverse" which was literally the Tournament of Power, except with alternate timeline versions of existing characters), and at other times a cash-grab. While Super does a great job at adding to the universe of Dragon Ball (Beerus probably being one of my favorite characters in the whole franchise), GT did a better job at expanding on the existing lore, and was closer in tone and style to Dragon Ball Z, despite it's shortcomings. So in comparison, I think Dragon Ball GT was the better series in my opinion, and that I feel fans are far harder on it than they should, since I feel like it contributed more to the franchise. If there is one thing I WILL say GT did INFINITELY better though, it's that while it may have de-aged Goku, it didn't outright flanderize him like Super did. Let's just say... I liked it better when Team Four Star's version of Goku wasn't the _canon_ version of Goku.
I rate GT super low, because even as a child, who at the time was a MASSIVE DB fanboy, I thought GT was trash. And to me, that says a lot about the series.
The problem with Dragon Ball Super in contrast to Z is: Super *feels like a DLC pack* for Z, rather than it being a successor sequel to the series. Its nothing more than just added filler-like content that serves as the continuing replayability of the series, not the fresh new take of experience...
That has never been a thing with Super, so we don't know if that is actually the case. ALso, having Goku randomly not using the Kaioken would be strange
@@nuredingeziqi679 Yea, thats what I'm wondring. If the anime is going to follow the manga now, what will happen to things like SSBK, Kefla, Kale and even Hit's timeskip ability? SSB kaioken was never in the manga, and Kale in the manga has a completley different personality and character than in the anime. Even Hit's ability to "improve" in the middle of a fight wasn't in the manga.
@@jantheking7028 I assume the anime will go like the manga with some differences here and there, just like the manga was going when anime was ahead of it
I'm going to have to disagree hard with who had the better end. GT feels like an end to the entirety of Dragon Ball, which even if not much of GT itself was involved, is much better than how the original story came to a close. While with Supers ending, it doesn't feel like an ending to Super itself. It feels like the close of the Tournament of Power arc. Nothing about it feels like the end of the series other than the last line of the narrator. If you didn't know that episode 131 was the last episode of the series, you wouldn't be able to tell by watching the episode until that final line. It doesn't tell me what was special about Super, it tells me what was special about the TOP arc.
You have a very good point, I wish I could say that it's invalid because that was intended to be the end of the ToP arc and not Super, but seeing as it's been 5 years, it's not likely they'll continue with the animated series
While I love the ending of GT and think it justifies the existence of all the bad parts of GT just so we could have it; I do fully get his point that when we're judging 'Super vs GT' the fact you could literally have tagged the ending of GT onto the end of Z and had it happen after the Buu saga does make it a pretty poor ending for GT itself. Now you could say that's more a criticism of GT failing to build up anything to 'end', but that still has to count in some way, right? If he'd just said 'which is the better sendoff for Dragon Ball' I'd happily say GT, but if it's 'which is the better ending to their respective run', GT's ending literally felt like an ending to a different show written by far better writers who had actually seen Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z and remembered we liked all these other characters.
Mark: “GT’s ending mostly worked bc of the original and Z” Also Mark: *ignores Super’s constant nostalgia baiting callbacks/recreation of iconic moments from Z*
But if you hear what he said, Super's ending works because the arc and the series building up to it. There is nothing in the GT ending that feel earned from GT itself. Super has nostalgia, but its not supposed to be what makes the ending good... its how we got to the ending and how its earned.
While I agree with what your saying, I think the point he was trying to get at is that the ending concluded with new character development and relationships in mind, like how Frieza got a lot of development in the ending. GT has a much better stand-alone ending, nothing great about the ending had ANYTHING to do with GT. The reason everyone loves the ending is because of it's callbacks to z and the original, nothing that GT did. I'd probably still give GT best ending though.
Baby (the tuffles revenge against the saiyans) and the Shadow Dragons (the group getting a comeuppance for the over-reliance on the dragons balls, which was teased by elder kai in the buu arc) are such amazing ideas for villains. I find anything to do with saiyan lore so enthralling over all the god stuff. a lot of super felt like there were zero stakes and all the new multi-colored gods powers were so uninteresting. I hope eventually the series gets back to saiyan lore and we see more of broly, maybe a new iteration/retelling of baby, and a final satisfying tussle with frieza
Dragon balls just becoming 7 dragons generic villains with diffent powers for over-reliance on dragon balls doesn't make any logical sense . How it is amazing idea?
@@kubakaczmarek2399 First not all of them are generic. It does make sense as the series is called dragon ball and the fact that dragon balls were overused to the point of rendering death pretty much pointless makes for a good arc to show that actions have consequences. True the majority of the shadow dragons weren't interesting but the concept is a great idea for this series. Meanwhile super has 2 tournaments with no real stakes, a resurrection dbz villain with an asspull power up and the only interesting arc turns out to be another body swap/possession we've seen before. While dbgt isn't perfect by any means I can appreciate the attempt at something different vs doing the same thing over like Super did.
@@indifference1015 There wasn't any establish rule that dragon balls can be corupted that come out of nowhere, but It doesn't make any sense that dragon balls become dragons OUT OF NOWHERE.
I thought the concept of there being consequences for overusing the dragonballs which are OP was pretty good, it also seemed like a fitting closing and was kind of a mysterious goodbye to the dragonballs after all this time of memories with them. As the reign of the dragonballs ended, so did the show... 😢
