Drill Music: Is it right to blame the genre for violence? BBC News 

Its like saying games glorifies violence.

@@Vertex-nm3ug you cant fly like gta in life, but you can get into fights tho

Music holds a huge impact in our lives. Drill music as you said glorifies violence which in turn could make people want to join that mentality.

@@Vertex-nm3ug music got a different effect on you. i get goose from some music.

@@Vertex-nm3ug There’s a difference this is closer to home. Kids look up to these guys and feel that all they have to do to be like them is act like them. I don’t play destiny and feel like I can get a space gun and shoot aliens kiddo.

1 pound Challenge haha lool

Lol

Soon you will! Give it more years!

Not yet?

same bro

Purple Walrus some are just their stories tho

@Very Caned they're not trying to be role models

@Very Caned not every kid is going to look up to them. I mean a couple of artists have said not to follow their movements etc, even if they all say that, some kids will copy no matter what.

Jacob O'C wrong if it’s not kids accountable to not do stuff after they’ve been told not too then it’s the parents responsibility to raise their child the artists aren’t responsible for your child you are

Some

@Heavyhead2k1 yeh cause you wanna be unique and edgy

Exactly. I feel like I shouldn't listen to it but the worldplay can be real cool.

Probably because drill music refers to women as little more than holes to fuck?

Respecting them going out and carrying guns/knives to the detriment of the majority in society.

Tony Underscore yeah a ghettoised lifestyle brought into fashion as though it’s something to aspire to be. Not my fault your people never created two story buildings.

No. The bigger cause is poverty, which causes family and societal problems, so people turn to gangs.

Denzel Washing Interview talking about this topic listen from 2min59sec, (its a short talk, should start at the right time though) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-O0dCvQdt5XI.html

Shirley pilger how can you compare dirty dancing to lyrics like ‘stick my blade in his gut, cut him, wet him up, shoot his mum in the face at the funeral, fuck his sister at the funeral, rape and stab then get cash grab sell drugs on the street stab your mum again shit’ The guy who wrote those lyrics is one of the people in the video saying the music isnt a problem

Most people when they listen to rap music don't even pay good attention to the lyrics. The important part of lyrics in rap songs is the flow, and the sound. You could literally be saying shit that makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER and people will still listen to it

And banning drill music will do nothing. Where do you think that the person who said "stick my blade in his gut, cut him up" learned that from? Obviously in his community. The hoods and ghettos always had big problems with a gang culture of violence, and most kids in the hood learn about violence WAY before they listen to their first drill song.

Shirley pilger shut up grandad

DecoyOctopus33 that aint drill music he describing a murder scene

same

Facts

Absolute facts

No

Meme boi is the same Wyt man to put two gangs(black) together for the to kill each other

He's telling us his story, I damn well would rather hear that than your BS any day of the weak,. No one raps about what you just said, it doesn't sell and I don't think I want to listen to a nerd whose lyrics consist of that, maybe they should stick to academia or another field instead of music but many artists have said one liners like that and that's all that's needed, not whole songs about it, I want to hear about the tough shit my man went through to learn from his mistakes and his situations. If you have never listened to his music before, who are you to judge? You are already stereotyping his lyrics before you have even had a chance to hear you, at the end of the day he's just another artist in the genre, many artists are different from each other especially those who are underground and not mainstream.

@No One Give me your address and I will shut you up in person

@@codesm96 here u r proving what u r.

@@sergioramos-vd9zk What am I? Go ahead and say it

@@codesm96 delusional.

Is that all you’ve got to comment on? Dickhead.

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@@arjanpatel4895 chill it wasn't you

lmaooooo bruh

@@arjanpatel4895 shut up you’re the feet guy

Because they're targeted at other gangs and not innocent people. You really think a gang is going to sue another gang for a threat? No, they're going to keep it in the streets.

Art Art i need my food stamps to feed mah kids

LMAOOOOOOOO

Dumbass

Well said

AJ P oh, yeah, all that wonderful diversity that looks suspiciously like a one way street. We take your good stuff and in return you get our crap.

Music conditions you, whether you like it or not.

Did Elvis Presley threatened to kill Frank Sinatra through his music because he was “lame and boring” name one rock n roll song that talked about “killing another band group because they’re posers” that’s the difference. Back then it was sex and drugs. Now it’s gang banging and extortion.

yohai how come I managed to get a job and all these dickheads can’t? They bang on about not being able to get a job and they don’t even try, waste of space

just juggy fully agree with you mate, don’t agree with what I said 7 months ago at all

Jack Docherty because you white male. Shits easy for you. Now shut up

@@jsiabot3467 wow not true at all. Some White drill music artists use the same petty excuse also. They don't concentrate in school and drop out with no education

They have too much pride to say "look guys, I'm not feeling this "acting tough life" anymore, I'm going to get a job. They can't do it😂 they find it "cringe" but it comes back to bite them in the future as it should.

Exactly man, this genre is complete dogshit I just don't get it

Has Suleyman but its a way out for certain man who r on road to hop off and go mainstream and make lagit p

Infinite Memes ye defo, if they make it then good for them, but drill music exacerbates the problem for sure. When people say it’s nothing to do with it they just lying. Drill music comes on the scene then same time hella stabbings happening. Ye course when I was younger mandem were getting poked up but not like this and not as frequent, and not so they can brag bout it In a drill tune. Same time I hear you but this whole we just innocent talking bout our surroundings ain’t real. Music influences people in a big way, I ain’t saying ban it but I ain’t saying it’s got nutin to do with increase in stabbings

Has Suleyman i hear what u mean my g but ngl i kno more man that have been poked up and killed coz of insta lives snap stories then drill tunes i think drill rappers should be able to talk about moving packs and past of thier lives but i think dissing opps in tunes is the only bad thing about drill tunes if they stopped dissing opps then drill is ban proof but media always try and find something to blame so even if drill improves they will definitely find something else to blame which is bullshit they r blaming instead of taking action why did no one complain wen they increased police searches because it was reasonable why did no one complain wen they increased the sentence of carrying a blade its because that was all reasonable and understandable it was also government taking action but the reason everyone is complaining now is because it is clear that the media are doing nothing but blaming

Infinite Memes ye real talk my bro Fuck the media! Polluting the masses with propaganda and their sick agendas. Hopefully we all get thru this mad virus ting and shit sorts it self out. Stay safe stay healthy 💪🙏

The problem is drill legitimately condones violence. It’s a cool genre but still

Nope. Not the same thing. Jazz, rock, or any other genre that you have mentioned does not have the quality of glorifying violence, threats, and murders. With street drill it is just that. Mostly about violence.

@@user-fo9lw3pq8l Ozzy Osbourne

@@joedav67 Ozzy isnt jazz, nor blues. Nor an entire genre for that matter.

Waffler.

@@bfjhaslfjfjsabfbsjfasfbsfb431 Kinda true. Drill is just dead anyways

Ofc they are. They're insecure with themselves and theres multiple causes for the insecurity. So what do these young men try and do? Act "hard" act like they know how to get through life but they don't have a clue. Even the slang these days is just there so if they use it, they feel included in society. It's actually quite sad that they need this persona just to feel something.

I hate when people think drill came from london when it didn't if it wasn't for pacman, chief keef and other chicago artist drill wouldn't exist

Aehabitat / I wonder what's "filling up" your head. Air? People can be influenced to dress a certain way, not kill. That's when common sense should kick in.

Aehabitat / African people tend to harm one another it doesn't matter where and they don't need much of a reason. If you want to get real.

But these young men don't have common sense, I agree with Censorship in this case because these young men will diss each other in drill music videos. And kill each outer over a diss, you and I both know as black men many of us don't walk away from a diss. Someone near where I live died, just because he was friends to a guy that made a diss track.

You are 100% right about that, sad but true.

James Watson then snapchat and Instagram should be banned as well cos they can diss each over those dissing someone in a drill song is not different than dissing someone over snapchat and Instagram they use drill as their main source a income so to get out of that life so they don’t have to make illegal money cos in those unprivileged areas opportunities are very limited banned makes things worse I agree with censoring the disses but not drill altogether and the disses are now.censored and the tracks that have disses that aren’t censored get taken down not every drill track is diss track only a few

Ian - Another delusional apologist who is denying the OBVIOUS; LISTEN TO THE LYRICS IDIOT

False equivalence, rock and roll and early hip hop did not have violent lyrics about stabbing people, shanking people and dehumanizing women. Also many rappers are affiliated with gangs and are quite open about this.

you have never been on the streets

@@JFP1988 Instead it had lyrics called misogynistic and satanic

So you have no control to change your own reality??

Many middle class black kids act like there from end making that type of music so no the music affects the environment just as the other way round

@@nodruj8681 music got a big mad effect on kids. if the kid raised in a healthy family but if he is alone with his phone he listens to drill and get motivated to be like the enviroment.

@@lesiom1052 If a kid is raised in a healthy family, then the chances of the kid being motivated to be like his environment is extremely low because he was raised right. Kids who are motivated by music to do senseless things are most likely the result of bad parenting. It starts with the parents.

@@angelwilliams8965 not always there are some kids with a family like the father is hard working and the mother doing her best to raise the kid with heart but the enviroment of the kid after the kid goes out is extremly important and most of kids in UK listening drill. Every kid got different character some are getting influenced by the music to do stuff he shouldnt do.

They're not innocent if they are looking to start beef with established gangs, that's just plain stupid. Quite a few dumb artists who get too caught up in situations that could have been avoided, many who unfortunately become victims of incidents that they couldn't do much about either but not a reason to censor the music genre as a whole.

well said!

Clueless

I think that was sarcasm.

I think this guys been radicalised

Yes poverty feeds into it but why must that lead to violence towards each other. I grew up poor but my morals would not allow me to be violence towards another person . the issues is deeper than poverty we missing core values

Ones surroundings don't define them , but the environment absolutely can influence them in their development in a negative or positive way.

Bit of a stretch calling it that tho init

mK 33 trust me 😂😂😂😂but he did spit on a drill beat and it did do numbers

It was shit tho🤣🤣😭

Drake always talks about guns and killing etc but does it in a way that doesn't sound as raw. But the message is the same, more affective actually. That's one of the reasons I don't like drake. He's more brainwashing than 67 etc.. In numerous ways. Violence, sex (lust), I could go on..

Ed Sheeran?

... No.

And what glorifies gang culture more than anything... Music. Whether it being some old school hip-hop from Compton or UK Drill from Streatham, they relate in very many ways, one being gang culture.

I am Backwards Music drill can cause violence with disses but that can be done over social media as well as drill so it’s no different banning it will make it worse

just juggy that is so true just like in America with gangster rap in the early 90s when it first came out upper middle class Americans from clean safe communities who where usually white accused it of causing violence and tried to censor it but they never considered that it was really just a expression of a sad culture of violence and drugs abuse that existed in urban impoverished minority neighborhoods since the 60s

Brendan Akers I guess they should only take it down if it’s illegal or against youtube terms of service

It’s clear as broad day light these drill music videos create the beef sending for each other..

I am Backwards Music poverty is an issue.

just to add onto my comment, cheerful music makes you want to dance and feel good, why wouldnt violent music make you want to do violent stuff? it works both ways

It does but it’s not making them kill

Been listening to drill for years can confirm I’ve never wanted to kill or join a gang

That is cap

@@tylerjeynes223 bro that life is too toxic

Same

@@fijipump4055 man your wet

it's not exactly about the media, entirely. It's also about the cops picking up dead kids off pavements, the ambulance worker wondering what he could have done to save that life, the social workers too. It's also about the mother who was passing with her kid, as the knife plunged in. It's also about the kids parents being sent a song where an opp is expressing his good fortune to be having some kid to sing hs victories about. etc etc... Society is bigger, a lot bigger than just the media.

Long answer, nooooooooooooo.

The answer is yes

Yes you are wrong, plenty of two bit thugs from decent backgrounds and both parents but since both parents are not really role models and have broken their relationship with their children they go off and do this. Many people who have no parents and taken into foster care as well. Many people with terrible mother as a single parent who have pushed their father out of their life on purpose. There is so many different reasons and different upbringings many of these kids have, most of it less than ideal but not all of them are single parent households. So you can't just blame that one issue and act like if that was sorted then everything will be alright because that simply isn't true. Some people want to be bad people. Some are caught up in a situation and get stabbed through no fault of their own. You need to learn about each individual situation and learn about the people closely before you can start dishing out solutions that may help. For example, you will NEVER be able to solve the issue of single parent households, not possible. What punish people for having children out of wedlock or for divorce etc??? No way and even if you did that would not improve things a bit in practice, still a similar amount of people getting involved in the same shit even if there is a father etc because they can't control them so there is not point even mentioning it

They're not telling a story though

They're glorifying violence and that's very different

@@meditationescape6399 Was Grand Theft Auto glorifying violence? How about Rambo?

Shut up lad

Stephen Chuk-d ur gay

I’ve been listening to drill and I can confirm I have not stabbed, shot or killed anyone

Stfu

some peoplehere thinking they're woke likely live in nice areas and aren't anywere near where the violence happens. People don't understand especially in hood, young kids look up to these drill rappers because they are in a way spokespeople for their own experiences. As a result, these musicians create this false of financial and social success through a lifestyle of gangbanging. Often times young males see them as role models because they see these rapper getting women, and they figure they'll get women too if they adopt the same mentality. The music isn't the main cause but it most definitely contributes in different ways. Lot of people here don't understand the dynamics of the hood.

No, we get intoxicated on music. It puts feelings there that weren't there. Makes us behave in a way we normally wouldn't behave. It's called being conditioned.

@@nordscan9043 If you are conditioned by music you are weak minded.

@@nordscan9043 You know literally nothing about conditioning

It does encourage violence by making it acceptable to stab and shoot people

Real all three of the acts you mentioned, NWA, Em and 50 have all rapped about popping caps from their gats into their enemies and getting into beef rolling with their crews but we understand they were telling stories about how rough life can be in the hood of LA, Detroit and New York growing up as well Hip-hop is better for it arguably people being introduce into a dark side of life by people who did their best to make music and be successful to get out of there but never forgot where they came from.

JogBird yh, gangsta rap is for ole people it seems

JogBird yes it's when u carry drills.. And make music wid it

Trap Music in other words

JogBird It's not even really music it's just loud noise and people trying to look hard on a council estate.

JogBird best music on earth

Mac Clift That's a dumb statement . Through out history violence has been used to gain an advantage . So when the Europeans and Arabs were conquering lands and building empires with violence was that a low IQ because it's seems to have worked out well for them long term. Violence is natural from the smallest insect to the biggest beast violence is inherent in their behaviour.

Kirk Jones: there aren't any innocent groups of people who weren't conquering other tribes and lands hundreds of years ago. All groups of people have blood of their hands. Low IQ and low emotional intelligence have been linked to an increase in crime, including violent crime such as rape, TODAY! The FBI per capita rape stats for 2016 is probably also "a dumb statement."

Mac Clift Your correct, I remember at school the low IQ simple kids would cause the most trouble.

Kirk Jones Your reference"s are invalid because there were no international laws to abide to back then.

Pepe TheFrog Excellent comment

Violence existed before drill music you know. Poverty and ignorance are the main causes of violence

@@makenoisenigeria5935 yeah but drill is glorifying it and provoking opps

Na it’s not it’s just a reflection of what is actually going on in the real world , it’s an escape from that life because think about it when they focus on the music they are not on the streets where all this “crime goes on” etc. But if drill is banned they turn to the streets because there is no help and way out, the only way out is through the music. 👀

@@qbantz its defo not a reflection they rap about drills and chinging mandem even if sum drill rappers get to daves level the authenticity of drill is violence so honestly music dont help dem jump of road in fact all da fame they get encourages it jus look at SJ but hey im a big fan of drill music so it is wat is

It's not per say 'the cause of violence' but it sure perpetuates it, bunch of gang members talking about chinging opps aint innocent in any sense of the word. The whole focus of drill is based around that.

This promotes all of the bs though

Not hot

Random comments like this are just weird

Deffo American

@@bxb268 do u not get it lmao

@@tuggah1235 what do I not get? explain it to me genius

Michael Fontaine hopefully they’ll pick each other off til they’re gone

Omg looool

What happened to expressing your feeling ? What happened to using your mind to create income. 1011 Should send there music to worldstarhiphop ! ! ! Link up tv and Grime daily should say no to the police, !!!!!!

alakazam fam sorry fam don't agree. It's not the spirit of London. Drill music was formed in Chiraq. Different set of parameters over there

Kirk Jones yeah that is true, I suppose grime is more London seeing as it has more of an English history with garage and all that. But Chicago drill and UK drill sound nothing alike tbh, it's gotten to a point where they're their own thing. Yeah it originated in chiraq but it's evolved separately into what it is now and has its own identity as a result. We could also argue grime isn't English cos technically the rap aspect of it originated in America too but it has fully become its own thing now. Hopefully u see my point

Mr H9736 Thank you for a common sense reply. These guys chatting rubbish about no opportunities and no jobs yet straight away you Craig who's a criminologist at B'ham uni.

For fuck sales education is free in the Uk that one way out the hood