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Andrew, if you liked “Falling off the edge of the world” please have a listen to “The sign of the southern cross” off of the same album “Mob Rules” Vinny’s drumming is sensational!👍
Such a tight band. This is the lineup that reunited for 1992's "Dehumanizer" album (my favourite Dio-Sabbath album), and then in the 2000s got back together under the Heaven & Hell moniker, staking their claim as a separate band from Black Sabbath. Everything they did was killer, including their 2009 album "The Devil You Know", which was Dio's last studio appearance before his death in 2010. About Vinny Appice, what I love about him is that he brings a minimalist approach to heavy metal drumming, completely devoid of ego. He's perfectly content to lay down a straight 4 groove for days, and throw in just the right accents at just the right time to catch what the band is doing around him. He's a great example of someone who has loads of facility on the drums but isn't trying to force it in anywhere. Whatever the song needs, that's what he plays. The Ringo Starr of heavy metal.
Martin Birch is the reason why the album sounds so clean....amazing work. Love these Dio Sabbath albums. "Sign of the Southern Cross" is another outstanding song.
Martin Birch is a legend (RIP) all those Deep purple, Rainbow, Black Sabbath, Whitesnake, Iron Maiden etc albums that he engineered/mixed/produced and made sound so great, just wow !!
@@wernermoritz882I feel all the Maiden Albums Martin Birch did have their own individual sound… what a great producer. Engineered some of the early Fleetwood Mac, who knew!!
And when Dio comes in with "NEVAH! NYO NEVAH AGAIN . . ." I'm like all "Yes sir! Right away sir!" So much conviction in that voice! And I've always said Sabbath was Iommi and whoever else is in the band, but I can't deny Dio's delivery is as great as the riff.
Really? I bought it when it came out and I never "underestimated" it. As a matter of fact, this album introduced me to Vinny in which he became my inspiration to play drums to this day.
Produced by Martin Birch. The same guy who produced Rainbow, Deep Purple, & Iron Maiden. When Bruce Dickinson joined Iron Maiden he said he’s been listening to Heaven & Hell on repeat, & was “suffering from an extreme case of Black Sabbath-itis”
Birch also produced Blue Oyster Cult. "I put my pants on just like the rest of you, one leg at a time. Except, once my pants are on, I make gold records!"
The Mob Rules album is criminally underrated. Great song. Post Ozzy era has a great amount of tasty stuff. Try the track Anno Mundi from 1990's album Tyr. Featuring Cozy Powell from Rainbow on drums. Neil Murray from Whitesnake on bass, and Tony Martin on vocals.
I produce hard rock and Mob Rules is my 2nd favourite Sabbath album - in terms of production. They sure had some bad moments... They got very sloppy in places and very insecure in the mid-later 80s and onwards.
Underrated by whom? Not us Black Sabbath fans. People that use the term "underrated" are not musicians from what I gather or at the very least, casual listeners of music in general.
I saw Carmine in Blue Murder with John Sykes on guitar and Tony Franklin on bass, killer band, try Valley of the Kings, that song & video are killer, great band!
Andrew, this is literally the rollercoaster affect. That slow climb to the top and then the release into the actual ride, and then the sudden stop. Excellent!
I saw this tour in San Diego when I was 17. Great album! " Country Girl," "Slipping Away" and "Mob Rules" are also great tracks. I really enjoy your channel.
You mentioned this sounds more like Iron Maiden than it does like Black Sabbath. And you're not wrong, but it's worth mentioning that Iron Maiden did not yet sound like this when Mob Rules came out. The Mob Rules album does everything that was great about the popular metal of the mid-80s, without any of the radio-friendly compromises.
Vinny Appice! My biggest influnce and favorite drummer! His playing is so powerful and combined with the groove, drag and hard hitting clean triplets. Well its an combination that makes him one of the best! One thing that I dont hear a lot of people talk about is his grip. Not only does he play with the other end of the stick but also he holds the right stick inbeatween his index and middle finger. He got it from his older brother. He truly is the rockingmachine as Dio used to call him🤘
Amen to both points. The production on this album is better than Heaven and Hell. Imagine how good H&H would be if the production was the same even though Martin Birch was the producer for both.
Excellent as always, Andrew! I love this album. Tony Iommi (especially when accompanied by the greatest bass player ever, Geezer) is a creative once in a hundred years genius. As you noticed, with your examples of later Metallica and Iron Maiden, as Rob Zombie famously said, "Every cool riff has already been written by Black Sabbath. Anything everyone else does is just basically ripping it off. You're either playing it faster or slower or backwards, but they wrote it first." And, "Everybody knows that Black Sabbath started everything and almost every single thing that people are playing today has already been done by Black Sabbath." Lars Ulrich: "If there was no Black Sabbath, I could still possibly be a morning newspaper delivery boy. No fun." Rob Halford of Judas Priest: "To me, Sabbath are in the same league as the Beatles or Mozart. They're on the leading edge of something extraordinary." Dave Grohl: "I love Black Sabbath. They made an amazing contribution to music today. Almost every band that made it big in the Nineties owed a debt to them." Henry Rollins of Black Flagg: "Black Sabbath - one of the world's universal language of music. I felt proud, for three or four minutes of my life combining my voice with Tony Iommi's guitar sound." Geezer Butler: "During our first meeting, Tony Iommi was a great jazz guitarist, his capabilities cover all styles - Black Sabbath has even narrowed his horizons."
@@kdbadk 👍 And yet they (other than Ozzy because of a TV show) never got anywhere near the credit they deserved because of bad unfair snob reviews and no radio play, as if Zeppelin was the only thing out there.
I remember the roar when this song was played at the Newcastle, Australia gig when Heaven and Hell toured here back in 2007. Vinny was amazing on this one. Didn't get to meet him, sadly, but his drum tech was a nice guy who I chatted to at the merch stall. You could feel the force of the kick drum hitting you in the chest from where I was seated - absolute wall of sound. Amazing.
Completely agree Marcus. Although Ozzy is the original and best for me, that track with Gillan is incredible. Nasty, sinister and with a kick ass groove. A throwback to Sabbath early years. One of Iommi’s greatest riffs.
Awesome song, I saw those guys in Worcester MA in 1983, 6th row, was cool hearing Gillian sing War Pigs and Iommi riff on Smoke on the Water. Memories of a lifetime!
You're getting a crash course in Sabbath. It took me 20 years to take it all in, and You're experiencing the evolution in less than a year? Maybe two? Continue enjoying the Black Sabbath through the Tony Martin vocals era. You will not be disappointed!!
Thanks for reacting to this song, one of my favorite Sabbath songs. I saw Black Sabbath on this tour in 1982 and saw their last tour with Dio in 2007. Dio was 64 in 2007 and knew he was dying from stomach cancer, but he sounded as good as ever. He died 3 years later at the age of 67.
It's weird - I love Ozzy's solo stuff, but if I want to listen to Sabbath, it's the first two DIO lead albums I go to - Heaven and Hell, and Mob Rules are absolute classics. Yes, their sound evolved when RJD joined, and I love those albums.
Great song on a great album. Part of the reason it might sound a little bit Maiden-ish is that it was produced by the late, great Martin Birch, who produced all of Maiden’s albums from “Killers” through “Fear of the Dark”. He’d also worked on all the Dio era Rainbow albums, among others.
You are again spot on. This is a new approach from Sabbath. An my god wasn't it incredible. I love this band like no other. Sensational band. Ozzy or dio
Great version of the band, Ronnie and Vinnie re-energized Tony and Geezer and they did get together several times to add their great legacy to the Black Sabbath saga. Nice that you are looking at them, I've found their performance of Heaven and Hell at Wakken to be the band's best live clip, though some prefer Dio during earlier tours, he is still great but the band is on fire, Iommi gives one of his very best heavy blues, improv jam solos that only he can conjure up. That show is goosebumps inducing, you need to see and hear the magnificence these guys are putting out. You can tell the crowd is in awe! Enjoy. 🎵🎸🎤🎹🎶
In his work with Both Black Sabbath and Dio, Vinny has a really unique and unusual feel where a lot of the time it feels like he's dragging and going to fall off the beat. But he never does. I haven't noticed too many other drummers doing that and it really adds a nice push and pull to the pace of the songs.
I commented this on the High on Fire reaction you did yesterday (?): Iommi never runs out of great riffs! Time to check out 'When Death Calls' or 'Headless Cross' from Headless Cross album!
This sounds amazing because it was produced by Martin Birch, who's of course best known for producing all the great 80s Iron Maiden albums. Anyway: listen to "Sign Of The Southern Cross" from this record. Doesn't get any heavier.
Good catch on the Outlaw Torn! I never noticed it, but yeah, they totally ripped it off. It wouldn't be the first time James took something from Tony...
As someone whom grew up with these band splits and rebuilds, I think everyone held their breath when Sabbath and Ozzy went their own ways. Sabbath IS an older band that did an amazing job at remaining relative. They survived long enough to be in direct 'competition' with many musicians they helped to influence. Not only did they have a legacy at this point, but were obviously not done writing music. Given all this I'll say once Dio left things were never the same and it's only in those special concert appearance where the 'glory' days are revisited that Sabbath shines like in the days of old. Dio, like Ozzy, used his new credentials as a Sabbath alumni along with his Rainbow experience to gather a group of outstanding musicians around himself and his solo work is AAA.
Martin Birch. That’s the step up. He produced and engineering some of the greatest albums in metal history. Sadly, he died 2 years ago. Eleven Deep Purple albums, five Rainbow, eight Whitesnake, two Black Sabbath (the two original Dio albums), ten Iron Maiden, not to mention his Fleetwood Mac catalogue, and miscellaneous other artists. He was a genius in the recording studio. Of these albums, the following are legendary. Deep Purple: Fireball and Machine Head Rainbow: Rising Black Sabbath: Heaven & Hell and Mob Rules Iron Maiden: Killers, Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave In recent years I’ve started to believe that this was no coincidence, and that he was actually responsible for driving these hugely talented bands to produce their career masterpieces. RIP the Headmaster.
Andrew, as much as you enjoyed this track from the Mob Rules album, I think you would enjoy the drums in "Slipping Away" even more. What about reacting to ANY song on the Live Evil album? Perhaps "War Pigs" (drum solo at the end), or "Black Sabbath", or "Sign of the Southern Cross /Heaven and Hell"
Vin is a good acquaintance of mine. I see him (and Carmine) often where I do marketing and promotions. Gave me a few lessons. He is such a great teacher. I love his style, and I've adopted it in my playing. He even taught my son how to do the 🤘 sign. Got photos of it. Check out LAST IN LINE, the band. They are ready to drop their 3rd full length album. Band consists of him, original DIO guitarist Vivian Campbell, former Ozzy bSsist Phil Sausson, and vocalist Andrew Freeman. Check them out!
As a bass player who was most heavily influenced by Geezer back in the late 80's.... Vinnie and Bill are both fkn incredible. Opposite sides of the coin, but incredible. Vinnie's use of space or a kick or a snare hit that he leaves OUT just blows my mind.
I highly suggest Voodoo not the album version but the one they have on the live album called live evil! Vinny's drumming is insane on that. You will absolutely love it!
Martin Birch produced Heaven & Hell and Mob Rules for Black Sabbath, then moved on to produce the '80s Dickinson-era Iron Maiden albums, so this song sounding like Maiden is understandable. Or rather, Maiden sounding like this. The Trooper is the one I always think of in relation to Falling Off the Edge of the World, and Maiden's song came out two years later. I'm not sure about this, but I like to think that Mob Rules as an album was part of the impetus for Maiden recruiting Dickinson to join them.
On one Festival here on my city, Monterrey Metal Fest maybe 2005? Playin Quiet Riot, Dokken, Shaman, Mago de Oz, Twisted Sister etc...and Dio, Mick "Wild" Brown one of the best drummers of 80s and Dokken's drum signed my cds...and when he's look the "Mob Rules" he's tell me: "This is the all time favourite album by a heavy metal drummer...the perfect sound of a drums".
Thanks for your reaction and insights!! Youd get a real kick out of the 2010 live version of this song! Same drummer, and he crushes it!!! Massive !!! Peace
MOB RULES is one of the finest metal albums ever recorded. I actually prefer it to HEAVEN AND HELL. You owe it to yourself to check out the entire album. 🤘
Ron here from Nova Scotia Canada, Digging all your Black Sabbath reviews. Now that you've got your taste of Dio and his potential, now it's time to see where he came from. Dig into a little ELF pic one of these three little Dio diddies. Carolina County Ball, Trying to burn the sun or Streetwalker. You can hear the powerhouse potential in Dio in these songs. Not long after these songs he was working is craft with Ritchie Blackmores Rainbow. Cheers Andy. Keep digging the Sabbath, your 1/2 way thru.
Check out live videos of this lineup in 2009, shortly before Dio passed. They went by the name Heaven and Hell then as the original Sabbath had reunited.
Once, somewhere around 1986 I had a call from a friend on a sunday afternoon: " So, whatcha doing?" "Just walking around drinking coffee looking out the window listening to Vinny Appice´s bass drum on the Sabbath live album Live Evil.... " " You know what, mate,- not the worst thing you could be doing..... " And I´m a metal guitar player!
It really was one of the greatest band breakups of all time. Dio coming into the band wasn't replacing Ozzy, he made it an entirely new band - Appice was the cherry on top. Meanwhile, Ozzy played to his own strengths with his fantastic solo run. Ozzy Sabbath, Dio Sabbath and Solo Ozzy have three totally different sounds/vibes/dynamics, and it really showed that sometimes you need that time apart. Unfortunately, the only one who didn't really get revitalized in the whole thing was Bill. While Ozzy went off into superstardom, Tony had a great new partnership and even Geezer had the relief of no longer being looked to for lyrics, Bill took the Ozzy/Sabbath split incredibly hard and just kinda tapped out of it.
Besides it being a later era (early 80s) and everything that comes with it, and the more 'polished' songwriting too (more digestible different sections etc) - one big difference I think Tony himself said is that while Ozzy did melodies that follow the riffs and groves, Ronnie most of the time writes *against* the riff - adding a whole different layer. These two Dio albums are absolutely amazing, and - I am very sorry - I'd pick them over any of the Ozzy ones (purely by listening enjoyment).
Appice is a legend but for me Sabbath's true treasure was Tony Martin (their lead singer for some later albums) - vocally he was something else! I see precious few RU-vidrs react to that era - it's all Dio or Ozzy!
Casual listeners don't realize the depth sabbath has always had. You had songs like Solitude, Changes, Planet Caravan, Spiral Architect, in the early years
Heaven and hell is my favourite Black Sabbath album and MOB rules is my second don't get me wrong I love Ozzy Black Sabbath but Ronnie James Dio brought it to a whole new level❤😊
And you've not come close to finishing the early stuff or the Dio albums, let alone the Tony Martin era (a seriously underrated period for Sabbath), when they had Cozy Powell for two releases.
Three releases - Headless Cross, Tyr and Forbidden. Four if you counted the Dehumanizer demos which Cozy started on, but when his pelvis was broken after a horse fell on him, Vinny came in to do the album.
