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I wonder which came first. Do you think before people began practicing martial arts with weapons, there was some kind of fist fighting technique out there?
@@valek8331 People have been punching each other since the dawn of time- same as wrestling, it's just a systematic approach to what we do naturally to begin with.
The most impressive part about this was his patience. I'm going to sound like a total weeb saying this, but he had absolutely zero wasted movements, and his sense of timing was incredible. It was mesmerizing watching him!
@KungFu_Andrew_ChangMooKwan You're absolutely right, but I was talking about the way I described it. I've seen a lot of sports and action anime use that description a lot that I've come to associate it more with anime than reality.
kendo actually derived from an actual sword art that focuses on zero useless movements. so kendo is pretty much a straight line, but nito ryu is like the same execpt its 2 lines and you do not know what direction those lines go.
You can tell someone is a true sword master by how much they DONT move lol. So many practitioner's move way too quickly even though it can be beneficial, but when you can dodge and simply outpace a technique by just waiting patiently. His precision, reach, technique, and power this is a scary man lol.
Read this comment before watching. Wow, I see what you mean. I don't really know anything about weapon based martial arts but it's not difficult to see this guy was definitely skilled. This was one of the better sparring sessions.
Ya but he is totally cheating by holding the long sword at end of the guard, there is no way that he could make a successful cut that way unless he has ridiculous wrist development which i doubt is the case.
1) Musashi's blades were notably thin & short. Musashi was unusually tall & his blades were those commonly used by people of smaller stature. Back then, people got fitted for swords like apparel. His swords were several sizes too small, so to speak. 2) Musashi believed in a very busy lead-sword approach where being the first to initiate contact was essential. jabbing the opponent in the cheek with the tip of his lead blade was a favorite technique of his, similar to a jab in boxing. 3) Musashi was fond of using wooden weapons against live blades in duels to the death: this is crazy & downright absurd, but true. Musashi realized he could kill with a single blow no matter if he had wooden weapons or steel ones & wooden weapons were much lighter & cheaper. this guy fought the best swordsmen of his day to the death using a bokken or two & never lost. 4) Musashi was on the losing end of two wars & believed the spear to be the most effective weapon overall. there is no documentation of Musashi using a spear in a duel, nor are there any accounts of his accomplishments with a spear in combat, but he did say the spear was the ultimate combat weapon & he's the best fencer Japan produced, so...
Yeah, the Yari, spear was the primary weapon, then katanas, and tantos, although having watched some modern full speed fights with mock weapons transitioning from the spear to the tanto knife in close or on the ground or even taking your opponents tanto and finishing them on the ground seems most common
True enough. I really like how he held his attacking sword by the very end of the hilt. I don't know if that sort of grip would work with live steel, but it did give him maximum reach over his opponent.
Maybe it was helped by the opposing swordsman who made very little lateral movements throughout. He didn't need to constantly adjust his angle of attacks.
I didn't mean to write this but half way it felt like a waste to delete my comment I mean that's how you really fight with giant swords you don't really move unless you want to die ,since balance is the most important thing when fighting with large objects that involve clashing against each other if counterd. Because if you move to much it make you a easy target because now your readable as f since you can only strike from a limited set of move when moving with full precision compared to when you are standing still you can just move ⬆️↗️➡️↘️⬇️↙️⬅️↖️ and land a perfect hit because you prioritized precision and balance . It almost like and sport that involves shooting a ball you get the most precision when you stop running for a second to fix your balance for that perfectly fast and precise strike.
Read the Book of Five Rings and I have to say the amount of detail and wisdom Musashi poured into those scrolls is profound. And besides all the practical weapon based knowledge, there's also some nice philosophical pieces added that can be applied to life outside of the skills in dual wielding blades he teaches. It made me happy to see it on display here on a brilliant channel like this that's starting to gain momentum and rightfully so!
Then you should know that Musashi would most probably disliked such a wrong way (Kendo style) as shown in the video. With all respect to the practicioners of “Musashi style” influence of modern Kendo in his (their) fighting too big. But this all can be just my opinion.
@@michaldante9797 no you do make a good point and I won't ever give you grief for expressing your opinion😁. There is likely differences here from.what Musashi himself would have taught but it is quite something when a sword style written about so many years ago is still talked about amd practiced with so much love and dedication by those that wish to learn it!😁
@@michaldante9797 Back then to train in the sword was to kill which I believe he states in the scrolls the way of the sword is death. So yeah a point system like we use now a days he would not like because it's not realistic or helpful in actual combat.
@@koreanitokensi Chung Taedun sensei, could you please tell me what type specific style you practice for Nitoryu, I've never practice kendo before but i would like to know about the art of Musashi
Great to see an English version reaching out worldwide! Thank you WEAPONISM for introducing our Nitenichiryu Nito Kendo S.C. with Master Chung Tae-Sun, a qualified member of Nitenichiryu Musashikai.
A lot of the Nitennichiryu movements and stances look similar to the Kali forms I used to study. ...which makes sense, dual-wielding sticks/blades is a core component of Kali, so they're working from similar biomechanics. Leading with the short blade in the ready stance, also reminds me of some of the forms in fencing when using a main gauche...only we didn't have the rapier raised up in high guard like this Sensei, because the weapon function is ultimately different...piercing thrusts vs. heavy slashes... ...though the use was ultimately the same...use the shorter off-hand weapon to either respond defensively to an attack or to probe for/create an opening, then counter/exploit with the main weapon. The reverse idea, which I used a lot but my teachers frowned on a bit, was to use the main weapon to guard, and then rapidly step in with the shorter blade to "knife fighting" ranges for the point. It was less expected and at that range, there was was less time for an effective response...and when you get past a rapier's tip and step "into their guard", it's reaaaaally hard to counter if your off-hand skills aren't as developed (assuming equal loadout of rapier and main gauche/dagger/smallsword/etc). ...since I was one of the few in my fencing class to actually pick up the main gauche as my primary study and even trained single blade with my offhand (Lefties tend to have an advantage in fencing because opponents aren't used to facing them. Minority of the population et all), I was able to pull off the higher risk, higher reward, movements...having long weedy legs to enable me to close the distance quicker may have also been a factor XD Point is, Dual-wielding is fun and rewarding if you work at it, no matter the style. It's a good workout for your brain too, since you have to learn how to track and manipulate both of your hands seperately, simultaenously...especially if they are using different weapons with different functions (like mixing a stick and a knife in Kali or Knife and open-hand or an axe and dirk, etc). You'll definitely be firing off some rarely used neurons that way ;)
I suppose that Nito Kendo S.C. is not part of Niten Ichi Ryu (koruy) school. I can't found any mention about Nito Kendo C.S. as part of lineage of Niten Ichi Ryu, if I'm, wrong, please correct me.
@@BeorninkiChung-sensei is part of Niten Ichi Ryu Musashi Kai which does engage in modern Shinai Kendo. He has a legit lineage and is one hell of a Kendoka.
Honestly the most intimidating thing about that setup is the range. A lot of people don't realize that by holding a sword in one hand you have the ability to extend further in a strike as opposed to two handing a sword of the same length. Sure, he had a height advantage too, but even without that the reach advantage would still be there.
@@KaotikBOOO well historically dual wielding (allbeit rapier and dagger in europe or katana and wakizashi in japan) was strictly used for dueling and not on the battlefield so that isn't really a concern. Hell, in most situations where you would face multiple people at once aka the battlefield, people typically didn't even use swords at all, with the exception of greatswords.
@@KaotikBOOO you aren't wrong though in that judgement though. Contrary to popular belief, more weapons does not equal better at fighting multiple people.
Yeah the ability to wield a weapon with only one hand is a big advantage because with a double grip you leave your body more open to attacks while a single grip allows you to to stand more narrowly. It's similar to boxing stance in a way. The only downside I can see with a single grip stance is you lose a lot of power so against anyone with armor you probably won't be able to break through and you are more acceptable to losing your weapon.
Aside from the sensei's skill I think his height also played a factor. It seemed like when they swapped weapons, the sensei's single sword was above his opponents short sword, so they couldn't effectively use it to break through his guard.
And also, he's holding the long sword at the edge of the handle, when he should be holding it slightly beneath the tsuba (guard). I get that this is a training sword, but still. There's no way you would be able to hold a real katana like that. You'd sprain your wrist at the best.
Wrist strains are not the issue here, but the tsuba is there to protect the hands. Since the hands are not in so much danger from JōgeTachi holding the shinai from the bottom gives mor reach.
@@napatt.7943 The Nito shinai will be 440g minimum regulation weight so I expect 500g in general. The koryū guys at my dojo have shinken that weigh 1kg, they tell me that is typical.
@@Konan69 This is not correct. Musashi held his katana that way as well. Many Japanese sword masters recommended holding it like that while one-handing because the additional reach was so valuable. I agree that it takes an extra level of wrist strength, you just have to work up to it.
Man, I'm so glad you guys keep posting these videos. I frequently share these with my friends whom I've sparred with for well over a decade and we discuss at length everything we see. It's a great way for us to bond over what brought us together, even though we're so far away. Anyhow, It's also really neat to see this journey happen, and I'm glad our kendoka is learning to calm down. He's always been so excited, and tense from it. He needs more time vs this guy so he can better learn to better see at the speed necessary for his level
Al fin, ya era hora. Cuando empecé en Kenjutsu, tuve un duelo con un tipo que usaba niten ichi ryu, barrió el piso conmigo. A partir de allí he practicado este estilo y a día de hoy (después de 8 años de practica) solo me han derrotado 3 veces, no es un estilo perfecto, pero es de los mejores. Algo que he de destacar, cuando recomiendo este estilo lo hago de forma pasiva, me explico. No lo uso de forma agresiva, defensa-ataque, primero defensa y luego ataque.
That is the most hype training place ever. Reminds me when I loved hearing our black belts go ham from the corner of the room and us blue belts starring at each other wide eyed and grinning before resuming our bouts. Good times. I'm saddened they retired because we lost a lot of the heart of our dojo.
I know it's been said here but Sensei Tae-Sun was very composed and wasted very little movement. It was almost as if he was inside his opponents head and knew exactly what was coming and how to defend against it. Thank you for another great video.
@@wolfesbane4263 That style is not unique to Hyōhō Niten Ichi-ryū. Just to name the styles I have heard of with nito waza there are: Nito Shinkage-ryū, Yagyū Shinkage-ryū, Yagyū Shingan-ryū, Shingyoto-ryū, Enmei-ryū (Musashi's original school), Araki-ryū, Kashima Shintō-ryū, and Tenshin Shōden Katori Shintō-ryū. Tenshin Shōden Katori Shintō-ryū is very old, and I know that Yagyū Shinkage-ryū and Kashima Shintō-ryū also predate Musashi.
Again, I think it's awesome that Koreans can proudly practice Japanese martial arts. You hear nasty stories online about angry Korean and Japanese nationalists going at each other's throats over the tiniest of provocations. It's always so wholesome to see a respectful cultural exchange like this. Huge props to Weaponism for always doing an excellent job bringing different cultures together!
Relations between the two countries are always disrupted by aggression, colonization, and poor apology for it. Still, I think it is desirable to learn and exchange cultures with each other because it is a separate area from conflicts caused by history. It will help our relationship in the future.
Other than being an absolute crazy unit of a man, this is probably how he won so much. Most people probably weren't expecting simultaneous defense and attack like this and they never knew which blade was going to come at them
Interesting. I really enjoyed seeing the subtle movements and patience. It really showed that he didn’t want to waste energy in the most crucial moments of a clash
Always intrigued how it'll look when musashi said to walk like you do in everyday life in a battle. I always thought musashi would walk in a weird way lol turns out it's similar to the kyokushin karate doom march. Great stuff
Musashi was a superb artist and poet as well as being the Sensei of using two swords - or 'open on all 8 sides' as he called it. In the last years of his life, he even fought without any sword, using an oar on one occasion to batter his opponent and using a long blade of grass another time, touching his opponent with it enough times to convince him that, if Musashi had had a sword, he would be in pieces by now.
The concept of the Filipino Martial Arts "Arnis", "Kali", or "Eskrima" is very much like the double blade of Musashi. As explained by Doug Marcaida, a Filipino Martial Arts expert now based in the US training the US Marines there and also was featured many times in the History Channel especially in their segment "Forged by Fire": The two blades are used both as an offense and defense. When one of the blade is used to parry, the other one will be used to strike the enemy defenseless as both of his hands is holding a sword. Both blades can also be used as offense adding to the blow or as defense. On the other hand, the difference in Musashi's style is the use of one long sword and one short sword while in Arnis, both are used with the same length. But the principle of offense, defense, and counter attack is almost the same.
Watching this has inspired me to develop a technique to defeat this fighting style. Pardon me while I kill 2 swallow with 1 sword to practice... I have a lot of swallows that land on my porch for some reason...
*I trained Kenjutsu with Kishikawa Sensei at Niten Institute.* (Kenjutsu is classic Kendo, it's samurai art in its purest form). I still have my Kenjutsu training material, I will never forget the thrill of training *niten ichi ryu.* *Thank you Kishikawa Sensei, until the end of my life I will remember these moments.*
Honestly as a practitioner of japanese swordsmanship I find the idea of fighting someone using dual blades in an duel as a little intimidating and exciting, they not only have a long reaching blade which can extend it's range farther then a two handed single sword can but a short quick blade for when they close in and they can simultaneously attack and defend or defend and counter attack so easily. And what they lack in the raw power they make up in having an extra blade you need to watch out for and more speed and reach. It'd be a good challenge, nice video.
With the right mindset you will defeat such an opponent. Right now you are only thinking about what your opponent can do when you need to be planning what you are doing about it. They have a long blade? Strike it out of the way and step inside its reach. They have a short blade that's too fast for you? Circle towards the longer blade so the shorter blade is behind it and can't hope to reach you. Get yourself a chessboard and play a hundred games. You will learn how to think two or three moves ahead. Jumping at people hoping to hit them first only works in Olympic fencing.
@@joebloggs5318 2-3 moves ahead is below 1000 elo in chess. no it doesn't work in olympic fencing. And neither does your strategy against a live opponent with 2 swords.
Don't forget that Musashi wrote the book Five Elements, which is still used today to study the way of the sword. He also invented a technique where you're supposed to stop the strike. He mastered the ability and was said to be able to split a grain on top of someone's head. There is a name for this technique, which I do not recall.
Both arms need to be trained a lot in two sword style, because a two handed sword can cut more than a one handed sword and coordination matters a lot. The magnificent work of both his arms was special in Miyamoto musashi and his practice was different (mainly introspection), I guess. Btw I have read vagabond, It's amazing.
One thing I noticed is that the dual blade master constantly made tiny movements with one sword without striking to distract his opponents gaze from the second sword that he'd then strike with. Sometimes he even "bluffed" twice. Pretty neat!
A curious fact is that Musashi Miyamoto based his double sword style on the famous Spanish Tercios and on his art with the Rapier Sword called Verdadera Destreza, due to the cultural exchange between the Spanish and the Portuguese with the Japanese people, so our ties have been very close since centuries ago!
His movements are so intimidating! Everything is so slow and effortless, until he explosed in speed with a small movement. He walks like a horror film-villain, with slow and calculated steps! It's insane! MASSIVE RESPECT FOR THAT GUY!
That Sensei is OP as hell. He barely moved and dodged so clean. Even with a single sword he blocked and struck efficiently as hell. I'm not an expert but I figure that more experienced Master Swordsmen think fast as hell, are patient, wait for the others to make a move, and counter quickly in the most efficient way possible. No wonder Musashi was invincible in his time, dual wielding maxed out defense and offense.
Another good video. Niten Ichi Ryu is an amazing style & really worth studying. I saw an instructor over a decade ago in the Nishi Ward, Osaka Japan. He was training with 2 Wakizashi & still had his katana on his side. So I asked him why do you train with 2 short swords in both hands & not use your main sword like Niten Ichi Ryu. He responded with if I lose one or both I can always pull my main weapon so that's why I don't train in the traditional way. Has anyone else encountered a person that trains like that having 3 swords on them at the same time.
@@Ianmar1 I'm not talking about the style of training. I'm talking about someone training or carrying with 3 swords. A Katana & Wakizashi on your left hip like normal & another Wakizashi on your right hip.
@@-RONNIE That just made me think, when and where did they carry the Tanto? Did they carry the Tanto instead of a wakazashi? Or I've read that the merchant class could carry wakazashi and shorter blades. So maybe the merchant class carried wakazashi and tanto as their pair of swords. I'm just thinking out loud. I'll Google it.
@@brianwilson4861 well the tanto was just a simple dagger like a field knife for samurai, merchants & even women. Only samurai could carry 2 swords but the most important weapon was the katana & they were the only one that could carry them. Merchants could carry to 2 short swords or 1 wakazashi & tanto even any other weapon. The only thing is the working class could never even touch a katana.
In old chinese book, i think i read someone using 1 spear and twinblade. His main is spear if he lose it he still have twin blade. And europe archer with double dagger for finishing their victim
