DUNE 2 | Lady Jessica drinks the Water of Life 

alia was like nah pass that joint imma about to smack everyone when i am out

​@@sassythesasquatch4425 not even born and she's already plunged the galaxy into war

​@@TheMarkmcrso evil 😁

No person goes like that even if in a fantastic situation like this. I mean, Dune is as realistic as possible when it comes to human mind and soul. So, she is still Jessica. But she has now others in her mind. She is enhanced. Like every Reverend Mother before her, every Reverend Mother who are contemporary of her and every Reverend Mother aftee her. Her shadow side of her soul becomes more prominent after all those terrible, rapid and destructive events that happened to her and this WoL rite. The circumstances make her shadow side prominent in order to make her survive. She is slapped by life and hardened by harsh environment too fastly. So, desperate times call for desparate measures for her now. And vast knowledge does not always bring peace and conscience to a person. Yet there is still old Jessica in there. Somewhere. She is not lost. And who Jessica actually is? I cannot say that either before WoL Jessica or after WoL Jessica is true Jessica. Nay. She even does not who she really is even after becoming a Reverend Mother. She havent discovered herself yet. She has more way to go in knowing her own true self and becoming a whole person. Knowledge from other memories is not enough to make her enlightened. This is the point. In the novels, Jessica never truly transformed into another, new person nor she unveiled her hidden self. Even after becoming Reverend Mother, even all those things happened to her, despite all new roles, power and knowledge she had, her journey reached to the point where she started: She could never fully broke her own Bene Gesserit conditioning, never erased their dogmas and wrong thoughts from her mind. She was different, much more humane and emotional than many Bene Gesserit. But she was unable to set herself free from dogmas of her cult. In last two Dune novels, it is said that she spent her last decades on Caladan by being a teacher of Bene Gesserit acolytes and taught them what would happen to one if she broke Bene Gesserit rules. She gave herself as an example. And as a reader, I am not sure if she discovered her true self.

So basically, she is Bran in GoT?

@@nocturnalrecluse1216 Something that Martin took from Herbert all those years ago. DUNE was a big influence on Game Of Thrones in its morally grey complexities and political games within a larger than life setting.

@@theprowler18 So I've noticed. There are a lot of similarities between the two.

@@nocturnalrecluse1216 No, but Paul is. Jessica was the final step.

He did tell Kynes he was gonna go for the throne

He had no choice. He didn't see the attack on the seitchs.

2001: space Odessey ahh moment

There's something so absolutely horrifying about it

​​@@whit9250 1:52 and the (previous) reverend mother knew EXACTLY the horror they not only committed, but BROUGHT to the universe

She was awful in part one but she was fantastic in this one! Parts of her performance reminded me of Rose the Hat from Dr Sleep mixed with Emperor Palpatine.

@@wiinterflowers4277 Hmmm....I thought she did fabulous in part one...much like Paul, she becomes something much different in the second movie...same thing in the books, though I had always pictured lady Jessica as a very noble, stern, maybe a bit stiff type of person, very much like the actress who played Lady Jessica in the 84 Dune movie...and was one of the reasons I thought Rebecca had been miscast. Honestly I liked her in the first movie, she was much more relatable and realistic than I expected she would be, she seemed like a real mother who also has other conflicts (i.e. Bene Gesserit) but who was unquestionably dedicated to her son.

@@lonl123 How was she dedicated to her son? In the film, she spread fanaticism for her *OWN* reasons instead of her son's and also played a major role in the downfall of both her children (fuck her for what she did to Alia!). I do like Rebecca Ferguson and I thought she did a lot better here than in part one. Oh and fuck the Bene Gesserit and their asshole system!

​@@wiinterflowers4277 why palpatine? I think there are other counterparts to him (particularly if you read the third book)

@@TheMarkmcr ever hear of a joke?

The Water of Death is alcohol, and it's *awesome*.

Spice beer

Flint Michigan water is aka water of death

What are you talking about? I consumed like 10 glasses of Water of Death a weekend, as did most students. Poison transmutation is a skill any student is trained to perform.

@@nvelsen1975 lol, in the book the Fremen drink the transmuted Water of Live and have a rave. Dancing, dubochery

I did notice that

Which is funny because Jessica is the one that tells Chani that Irulan would be nothing more than a scribe, but Chani is Paul’s true wife. But in the movie, I think what’s gonna happen will be even more tragic since there would be such little time before time is up

Drug abuse during pregnancy and inteoducing his son to drugs Yup :)

They literally coerced her into drinking a poison that kills half of those who consume it, subjecting her to unimaginable levels of pain, and then they've got the gaul to act so over it when she's lying there barly cognitive and rambling for days afterward.

Maybe that’s how Palps got laid (canon)

"Gooood."

Imagine Palpatine gasping in horror and whispering "What have I done?" And Palpatine never created anyone as dangerous as Alia.

Somehow she'll return...

"UNLIMITED... POWAAAAA..."

Mescal did that for me

Still insane to me that Frank wrote Leto and Ghani participating in the spice orgy

what?

I think this is what they settled for because most of the audience never read the book

@@brianm3160 you wouldn't need to read the book to experience such. i never read the book either.

memory transfer. Jessica (and her unborn daughter Alia) receive the memories of the Reverend Mothers that came before them.

@@tmage23 Not transfer, but unlock. Herbert's premise is in their universe they have genetic memory so the memories are encoded to the DNA. The women can basically OD on worm juice to unlock that genetic memory. The problem is the consciousness of the previous genetic line also comes with it. Jessica is in fact, dead, she is now the sum of all of her genetic lineage with 'Jessica' as the dominant mind in the mix. That is why they want the KH. He can unlock the male and female genetic memories. Imagine if memories were stored on both the X and Y chromosome. Women with a pair of XX would only have the female memories, a male XY, could have both. That is what Paul becomes. The problem is, they just crammed a thousand genetic precursors into a fetus that hadn't had any time to develop their own personality. So Alia is schizophrenic from pre-birth ultimately allowing her uncle the Baron's genetic memory to overwhelm her mind, basically possessing her.

I believe it’s because now the baby also has access to all those memories of the revered mother. She’s not even born yet but talks to her mom and has access to everything.

She's had millennia of memories jammed inside her all at once. Not even a persona of her own. She's a multitude.

Alia has no chance, she will be possessed and become an abomination.

​@@whit9250 That's actually pretty terrifying lol Poor Alia.

A somewhat more in-depth answer if you'd like. Experienced Bene Gesserit are trained in the necessary skills to maintain control when they receive the memories but the offspring doesn't have that same training so it risks becoming overwhelmed and dominated by them - the Bene Gesserit refer to this is "abomination"

What a great forum for your messianic beliefs.