Early Mormonism was a human trafficking operation 

I read a similar story about two young women from Switzerland who hid behind a shed and cried their eyes out when they realized that Zion was a lawless outpost in the middle of the desert.

@@nomadicam heartbreaking 💔

Was he forced? Did he have to stay in Utah? Because there are as beautiful places in the USA away from Utah and certainly away from Mormons. Maybe he just changed his mind about coming to the USA. But even if you cry and you miss your home, snap out of it and make the best of the situation. If no one forced him, it was his choice so stop crying and carry on, you're a man. Get a handle on yourself and your family. I am not a Mormon and I am a woman of the real kind, and I am saying we are responsible for our lives.

Geez... can't someone have a few minutes to grieve? The story didn't say he sat on that bitch sobbing for the rest of his life. Come on now. Common sense.

​@@joanofarcxxi Here's what it was like for those immigrants (so you can better understand why they couldn't just leave): Once you arrived in Utah as members of the church (Which insists it is the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH) you were stuck. If didn't obey every order the male leaders gave immediately you automatically labeled "bad." Then you you tried to leave you were deemed an Apostate and deserving of death. Under the reign of Brigham Young you would be followed and once out of range of the hearing of others you would be murdered. This happened to the family of a friend of mine who tried to leave Utah and escape to California. They snuck out at night with a cart and a wagon and driving a few animals. The man who had been ordered to keep an eye on them followed them and when they were far enough out he came upon them and told them he'd been ordered to end their lives. He said he had to return with proof. That he didn't want to kill them, but if he didn't return with proof he'd be killed for disobeying. He told them he'd have to take the wagon back with him, and he unalived one of the goats to make a bloody mess of the wagon so he'd be believed if he said he'd done his duty to dispatch them. The family that was escaping had to cross that long desert with only a cart and barely enough water to get across. But they did make it to California. Back in those days it was very difficult to leave "God's Kingdom." Are you not familiar with Jim Jones and the Peoples' Temple? Brigham Young's control over those in Utah was the same, but worse because he was officially made Governor of Utah Territory. Mormonism is a very deep brainwashing. Your own spouse and children will side with the men who lead the church should you ever happen to have a different opinion. It was a totalitarian state much like North Korea

Misinformation, this channael feels like an antimormons which is good, the more people know the church, the faster the church grows, its funny

The same tunnel rumour made it to Australia. There was rumoured that even a tunnel from Tasmania to salt lake existed. One hell of a tunnel network apparently. Do all these tunnel myths have a common source?

My grandmother talked about girls disappearing into a tunnel. I wonder if it was lines of people walking along the gangway into a ship?

​@@vladtheimpalerofyourmom-ag5112 Lots of mysterious, actual tunnels underneath Salt Lake City but they don't stretch off-continent

Try telling the truth.

The tunnels ARE REAL! BEEN THERE MYSELF

Saying "it's in the past" to a trauma survivor, religious trauma or otherwise, doesn't solve anything. It doesn't bring back the family members who disowned you, the mental health issues that you developed, or the lost time.

well said. Thank you!

😅😅😅 and the bad thing is......

It is nothing short of disgusting the sick lies told about the Church. Hopefully, enough people will make complaints to RU-vid/Google and crap like these anti-LDS Church, anti-Joseph Smith channels will be shut down.

@@lalzgarra9493are forced marriages not an issue to you?

Liar.

@@lalzgarra9493the bad thing is forced child marriages. pull your head out of your ass.

The ignorance shown by some of the anti-LDS group is staggering. In the 1800s, there was a much larger percentage of NON-LDS who had more than one wife than the percentage of LDS who had more than one wife. There was NO LAW in the United States against polygamy in the United States. In the late 1800s, Congress made a law prohibiting it. By the way, who made these two shining stars putting this channel on authorities on the subject? Maybe they heard they could make some money by putting on some idiot video that will cause more ignorant racist attitudes against good LDS.

Bush & Clinton were appointed to be over fundraising for Haiti when the big earthquake hit. These 2 were the world's worst pedophiles and they're the ones who stole lots of children for their Human Trafficking operation and prob Epstein's also.

Adoption is like a form of neo-colonialism under the guise of "rescuing".

Oh god 🤮

Where was this?

@@rachelchandler1949 It's in Cache Valley, I think she lives in Hyrum

It is in Cache Valley, I think its Hyrum@@rachelchandler1949

​@@wlkrmommaof course its in cache valley 😭 idk about Hyrum but I know for sure that Wellsville (west Hyrum with a different name) does that

And a fake Christian like yourself would know what?

I feel like a lot of institutions are hesitant to critique the LDS because they are so powerful. They'll get backlash or be accused of discrimination.

Are tou serious?? Where is the evidenc? Lol

These people are lying. Do you like being made a fool of?

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On our family's visit to Nauvoo, the Red Brick Store being run by a non-Mormon group was the only tour we actually enjoyed. It's so sad now, that as of (what was it April or May) the Red Brick Store was bought by the Mormon Church. Now the Mormon Church has a total monopoly on the entire city.

Same thing in Kirtland . Temple tour was fun and interesting when C of C ran it. The LDS buildings, not so much, to us Jewish gentiles. Creepy and weird. ​@@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua

​@@cindygreenwald1202 Thanks for pointing that out. And it's humorous that as Jewish people you understand the Mormons' viewpoint that they consider Jewish people to be "Gentiles." So silly. But I was raised in it and I had firmly believed that all of what they taught me was absolutely true. So, I do understand why they make the tours so heavy on efforts to convert people, but they don't understand how off-putting it is. I very much doubt that anyone has been converted to Mormonism based on visiting Nauvoo or Kirtland. So why don't they give it a rest and make the tours more true to actual HISTORY. It would be a dream come true if the Mormon Church actually had a majority of top leaders who realized there's no way all those claims of Joseph Smith could possibly be true. Especially since the evidence is extremely weighty against it being true. I'm really grateful that I had an epiphany and discovered the Mormon Church is completely fraudulent.

@@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua C of C guy talked all about how JS stiffed the rabbi who did the Hebrew inscriptions, the bank scandal, and JS beating feet in the middle of the night.

Ironically I googled tscc because I didn't know what it stood for and it came up with "trauma symptom checklist for children". Then I added church and it told me lol.

YEP!

Okay. Another pair of eyes opened

@@ZelphOntheShelf liars.

​@@WatchingwaitingG2DYou have 71 comments being hateful and derogatory on this channel. 71. Please sit with that.

@@bkk1996 compared to what you believe you shouldn't talk.

I was 16 when I left the Church because one reason was its history. I felt the Church was keeping it from us & the missionaries don’t talk about it. If a lot of us new before hand we would never have joined. 20yrs later I had a trial & the Lord brought me back to the Church. I prayed about it & I have to focus on my own salvation. The Lord will deal with those accordingly & they were probably deceived by the adversary. The Lord may have told them to practice polygamy but perverted men abused it.

omg i fucken LOVE Plan 10 From Outer Space! We’ve done big screenings of it Rocky Horror style! Glad to know somebody else out there knows it! -tanner

Oh please do this

For someone who doesn't believe in God you are one huge liar.

If you look at it in another way, sweds are quite promiscuous so polygamy would suit them.

That was a really good book. Wife Number 19 was also very good.

Wow

It's like mafia holding people's loyalty after doing a "favour" for someone in a desperate situation. Very manipulative.

More self serving rather than humanitarian. Sad

Yes u r 💯 correct. These two need to relate that in their videos cuz it makes a huge difference when trying to understand the big picture and portray it in the correct manner.

Yes! Please address this/clarify…otherwise it becomes misleading for those without knowledge of political party history

Nope! That is a blatant lie. There is ZERO evidence of this mythical “party switch” and regurgitating this false information just keeps people ignorant. A lie goes around the world 7 times before the truth gets a chance to tie its shoes. Man, it’s amazing how many people say this nonsense and think it’s the truth.

I'm so glad you made this comment. I don't know if Mark Grubert of America's Untold Stories on RU-vid would agree to guest, nor if your format includes video interview guests, but he has a fascinating political history and has 2x over their hundred+ shows talked about his realization of the parties changing, so he went right from left.

I just came to the comments to write this. You said it a lot more succinctly than I could have tho

I understand the courses are actually pretty good!

Doubt it highly. -- Actual Hillsdale alum​@@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua

What would you know fake Christian?

@@WatchingwaitingG2D Gotta be a Christian to know what is moral?

@@kentthalman4459 Gotta be a true Christian to be moral.

@@WatchingwaitingG2D No true Christian has moral blind spots Scotsman fallacy.

@@kentthalman4459 speak for yourself, but leave out the true.

I wish I had caught this live. I would have torn their asses up. My Native American friends would say this is not the oppression olympics. It is not a competition to see who suffered more. One instance of suffering does not detract from another. So their whataboutisms really are an attempt to do just that though. it is a way to be dismissive and say they DGAF without saying that. A couple of the comments also could be read as implicitly white supremacist. I could write pages as a clap back in reality.

Oh hey I just got home from vacation in Alaska 2 days ago

Orrin Hatch grabbed my Mom's butt at a Republican fundraiser. She was so shocked, she went into the "Ladies Room" and told another woman what happened. She told me the woman said, "He did that to me too!"😳😠

@@jackiekrieger4921 ewwwww

How so? The 18 year olds volunteer to go and pay for it mostly themselves, and report their experiences often to family. Genuinely curious what you mean.

I mean the guy who started that organization was Mormon so 🙈 we also did a deep dive into that movie/org that’s worth watching-lots of anti-trafficking experts have raised some really serious criticisms and Tim Ballard was fired from OUR and Glenn Beck’s org for sexual misconduct allegations, as far as we know.

@@ZelphOntheShelf …good point. I had written that but didn’t want to go into the child exploitation realm so I didn’t mention it. Moreover I believe he was busted with underage photos. The early LDS church was definitely child trafficking. Thank you again for bringing up this topic and devoting time and energy to it

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Yes!!!!!

Just acquired it!

Totally hear you but from our perspective, everything is interconnected and we can’t in good conscience perpetuate the demonization of sex work. It’s literally part of what gives human traffickers power.

Okay. Snake eggs? 2 funny

This was new channel RU-vid offered in my feed, so I'd paused to read comments after several times occurring to see if comments reflected it. When she let him know his attention to her reading was requested was the point to pause and read comments for me.

Like it's horrible, but we'll put some Bible verses and pretty songs and dances...so you'll fucking love it

Except so so scary and less whimsical haha

ABSOLUTELY

It's truly heartbreaking and I wasn't trying to side step the atrocious nature of it

@@pennamealias no you’re right it’s problematic af

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Yikes, sorry that’s been your experience with poly people. All the poly people we know are very consent-focused and hyperaware of doing anything to put pressure on anyone. We disagree with your characterization of all poly people as hedonistic-polyamory is not just about sex. But I can understand how you’ve arrived at that conclusion given your experiences! 😬💜

This has been my experience as well. Glad to know I'm not alone.

@@ZelphOntheShelf That was a classy reply, thank you.

@@ZelphOntheShelf👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Me neither but knowing about this makes me so thankful and I cannot understand any person who has 2 brain cells to rub together why would they be a part of this?

15, or a several months shy of 15?

I started shaving a "few months shy" of 16. Seriously they were children. God help us all.

@@caseyjude5472oh shiiiiit

Interesting... Is there evidence to support this? I haven't heard that puberty has affected women at different ages over the years but if there is data behind it, that would be extremely interesting and effect a lot of things.

​@@toyranch​ there is evidence, and it varies by genetics as well (including regional genetics, so not racial, but sometimes following along racial lines well enough to correlate). It's on the order of five to seven years reduction in western countries, with causes varying from environmental problems to increased available body fat (tends to speed both onset and progress of puberty, especially more female aligned puberty), and decreased malnutrition (though that's more complicated and seems less controlling than available body fat). I don't have the sources off hand, but a quick Google should pull some based on medical records. There's some concern on physical grounds, and plenty of concern for psychological effects, but it's not clear how much of a problem it is, or what all of the drivers are.

Makes sense to me, that pronunciation is closer to how it's pronounced in middle east

Thank you so much!!!! 💜💜💜

the converts themselves. many often sold all their possessions to make the trip

It was "eodfish". They got it at Sam's Club. Humor

Yep!

​​@@ZelphOntheShelf Oh, "it exists". My step-brother was almost thrown into a van, in the country, in rural Appalachia. If you think about it, I bet that traffickers do prey on small, isolated towns, just as much as they do on illegal immigrants, or whomever else. There is no way of knowing if they were "locals", or not.

Google "onset menses" for puberty

The Nazis are a classic example of how powerful people are able to use false rhetoric to demonize groups of people and cause enormous suffering that regular people become complicit in-I don’t see what’s wrong with using it as a comparison given that it’s probably the most well known example?

@@ZelphOntheShelf your ignorance is pathetic making that comparison: and did you ever get baptized 4 Hitler like so many other Mormons have been ?

This is true in so many cases, but if you've been trafficked through deception and then desperation, it's not an in between thing.

Omg stop 🥰

thank you for the additional context! that’s good to know!

Social progress in America is always baby steps.

It may also have something to do with not drinking or smoking

They won't. It's all half truths or 2nd hand sources that are questionable

It’s usually me not letting him talk haha 🙈

yup

We absolutely see that and we don’t identify as republicans or democrats. But we are consequentialists and systems thinkers and will vote accordingly. There are far more than two ideas out there about everything and mainstream discourse is incredibly tribal and juvenile. Seeing through false dichotomies and seeking nuance and the holistic truth is a big theme of our channel.

What agenda is being pushed by thr Democrats?

one side is saying slavery wasn't bad and has numerous representatives pushing for things like making interracial marriage illegal, and allowing sixteen year olds to marry.... I don't know that republicans and Democrats in the US are "equally bad". If you feel that way it is likely because you aren't personally effected by what's going on in the country. Taking away human rights is egregious behavior.

Of course it’s wrong.

What gives you the feeling that they are minimizing it?