The REAL reason Mormons don't drink coffee 

I remember one day in my freshman year of high school, I convinced my stepdad to get me a mocha frappe from McDonald’s before school. Apparently he either texted/ called my mom (both Mormons btw) and she tried to shame me for getting the drink and drinking actual coffee when I was with my dad. Heck even the branch president came over and pretty much held my temple recommend over my head to get me to stop drinking coffee. I was a people pleaser so I pretty much complied. Now that I’m free from both my mom and the church, I can get a frappe any time I want. I might actually order one on DoorDash rn 🤔🤔🤔 Edit: I got my mocha frappe.

I have a theory that one reason tea and "hot drinks" were banned due to the fact many tea rooms / tea times were for women to come together (without male escorts, gasp!) and discuss social issues, commonly women spaces. Also in doing some research to double check myself I found out a lot of tea rooms in the early 1900s were owned by single women and provided income for those who otherwise didn't have many job opportunities, and Mormons would've hated that! Lol

Coffee tea and alcohol are SO social. Forbidding these things is very isolating.

“I’m so glad I don’t have an addiction to coffee” … meanwhile drinking Diet Coke and Dr. Pepper in bulk at 7 am 🥴

Going to bed at night knowing that I get to wake up to a yummy cup of coffee literally boosts my mental health and I think about it every night lol

I know Carter meant "anaesthesia" at 43:00 but I like to imagine he awoke from euthanasia to the shock and awe of all of the Mormon doctors

I’ve had visits from two pair of missionaries this year. They’re nice young people. It was interesting and easy initially. Once I visited their church the people more local to this town became quite pressuring. An urgency of sorts. I couldn’t comprehend why my discomfort with that was shut down. I asked if the roles were reversed and I knocked at your door and asked you throw from the window everything you’d come to believe during your life, wouldn’t you question that. It was as if they would prefer a person pliable and blindly following. I can’t understand that. I’d be cautious of someone that seemingly would abandon everything and jump ship so readily. It seems as if they’d prefer a thoughtful decision rather than a malleable one. It was uncomfortable. Really enjoy the two of you sharing your thoughts.

Y'all absolutely nailed this. I am relatively open with my having been raised Mormon and I get asked a lot ab the Coke/coffee thing. I make a point to tell ppl that the refusal to drink any caffeinated soda is actually not a real rule, but a cultural rule because coffee is banned for no real reason, therefore people assume the caffeine content is the reason why. And I absolutely agree that the harsh and forced abstinence from all these things creates an us vs. them thing. Sober ppl in general will tell you they feel kind of alienated bc drinking socially is so common, but in this religious sense, not being able to partake in ANY of these things that people do recreationally to create dopamine can make them much more removed from regular society.

‘I’m glad I’m not addicted to coffee!’ Right. You just need a Large Red Bull every single morning just to function… but you aren’t addicted to the ‘evil’ beverage.

I don’t understand why Emma had to give up her tea. She was already giving something up in exchange for the tobacco-chewing drunks. She gave up cleaning up after their thankless, ungrateful asses.

When I was told about the whole coffee thing while I was stuck in the Mormon church, I thought "maybe it's because they want everyone to be tired because tired people are easier to control", especially with the way that at the camps they would make you get up at obscenely early times seminary would be very early in the morning.

My dad has a few Chinese coworkers and they were APPALLED to hear that he doesn’t drink tea. I imagine members of the church that live in Asian cultures that value tea so much feel incredibly isolated.

Having water instead of wine is so wild to me, the (Lutheran) churches where I live commonly use non-alcoholic wine or even grape juice (mainly to allow more people to participate!) Water seems like an absolute last resort

Watching this while drinking coffee, lol. I'm a never-mo, but raised conservative Christian and home schooled. My parents also did extreme diets. I was told that coffee was as toxic as bleach. So, here I am, the only one out of my family of origin blissfully enjoying coffee. I'm such a rebel.

I have always loved reading the stories and journal entries from apostles in the late 19th c. (long after the WofW revelations) about drinking wine and eating cakes in the temple -- makes you think the temple might have been a 19th c. version of a guy's night under the guise of religiosity.

My mom has chronic headaches and pain and her doctor told her to drink coffee 💀💀💀(instead of soda)

"Mild barley drinks" please tell me y'all know about Postum! Postum is a coffee substitute made of barley, and was all the rage among mormons when I was growing up in the 80s/90s.

Moderation is key, and knowing how you react to those substances is part of knowing how to moderate yourself. My parents used some of our family members' poor behavior when they were very clearly plastered af as a way to get us kids terrified of alcohol and try to make us not want it. But it really ended up creating so many more problems because we didn't have a good example of how to learn to drink responsibly, and because crime was the secret ingredient that made drinking so much more fun for a few of my siblings. I wish we had had better views on alcohol growing up so that some of the things we've gone through maybe wouldn't have happened, but I'm jud tglad that now, we all know better and to be a bit more responsible when we drink.

I'm ExMo, 45 years old, and I didn't know most of this. Thank you both very much. I'm dedicating my third cuppa joe to you two and your cat this morning ☕️

You were a lovely addition to my morning coffee. Thanks for this.

When I was a secretary in the political science department at BYU I helped a professor proofread a paper called “Why a Mormon Won’t Drink Coffee But Might Have a Coke.” Such a strange, complicated religion 😂

Idk how I found this channel but I've been binge watching it for days now. Your videos are so interesting! I was raised christian (catholic and then baptist) so my experience was a lot more mild than yours but some things are similar like the isolation tactics. Anyway congrats on your channel! And I just wanna add that it blew my mind that Tanner went to João Pessoa cause foreigners never know my city when I tell them about it

Yo I just want to say that, as a member of the church, there’s been some stuff that’s troubled me that I haven’t been able to put my finger on. And as I’ve been approaching mission age I’ve been doing a lot of reading and a lot more research than I ever have before. I’ve found that the history and the information that the church puts out seems really watered down so I’m thankful that I’ve found your channel for an alternative point of view as I search for truth.

Brewing my tea while I watch this! (Not a coffee drinker, I’ve never liked the taste!)

I just love you both sooo much. I'm your JW cousin here and appreciate all you do for those of us that have successfully exited cult life. You guys were a vital part of my healing and helping me stay/feel sane during some of my darkest moments. Much love to you two, you're both beautiful, smart & funny. ❤️ Thank you!❤️

I’d love to hear you two talk more on Mormons construed or weird views on morality. I went to Disneyland with my wife’s family and my sister in law received two bags of chips when she only ordered one. My wife was like “sweet free bag of chips!” And her sister (who is a TBM) stood up and declared “no I have a thing called morals!” And went to return them only to have give her a funny look and say no just keep it 😂 and that legally they can’t take it back. I’m just thinking, a multi-billion dollar corporation that we paid hundreds of dollars to, gave you an extra bag of chips and you feel immoral for keeping it? 😂

You two are so educated and eloquent in your explanations. I'm currently transitioning out of Mormonism and really feel a sense of belonging and connection here. Thank you :)

dying over Tanner referring to anesthesia as euthanasia 🤣 that made my day. casually waking from the dead, jesus vibes nbd

I had Vicodin when I had my wisdom teeth out at 15. I thought it was brilliant, until all my pain came back at once. I have chronic illnesses. You know what I decided worked well enough? Caffeine and Ibuprophin because holy hell I didn’t want a crash like that again.

I cannot believe how many prageru and christian ads I’ve been getting since I started watching your videos

The whole “I don’t need to understand the why, obedience is a virtue” thing drives me up the wall, because wasn’t that Satan’s whole deal? His plan was “let’s put everyone on Earth and tell them to do this, this, and this, and then everyone will get into heaven!” But God and Jesus were like, “no, they need to have agency. Instead, we’re gonna put everyone on earth and tell them that if they don’t do this, this, and this, then they won’t get into heaven, but it’s their choice.”

Nicotine is a known suppressant against auditory hallucinations with people who have schizophrenia. Love that you mentioned that Tanner.

I just need to share that I love Samantha’s blouse beary much

I've always wondered that, and whenever i asked the church leaders they never gave me a good reason.

I'm trying to imagine a Salt Lake City supermarket. I remember pushing a cart around a store in what I didn't know was a dry town in Texas. Finally, I asked a clerk where the beer aisle was. He looked at me and said, "You're not from around here, are you?"

I feel it's important to point something out. Overall I agreed. But on the topic of carcinogens. Classes like class 1, 2, and so on refers to the level of evidence supporting the fact that the substance is carcinogenic. Not the degree of harm the substance can impart. It's a small but important distinction I think.

I was taking a course in college and I can’t remember the exact source but there was some sort of book or writing during that time period that sounded exactly like the Word of Wisdom. This idea didn’t come out of nowhere

“Well at least I’m not addicted” as they drink their 4th can of Mountain Dew

You can be technically chemically dependant on caffeine and even get headaches as withdrawal symptoms. Not as bad as most addictive drugs or anything though and you're right about the health benefits of coffee.

Mormons here in Utah swear off coffee but they keep the soda companies and energy drink companies in business. Something I found very interesting in the video was about the meat eating. I had no idea about that. Funny thing about living in a Utah small town when someone passes away, most of the time they serve lots of yummy beef. I've never seen one of them pass on the meat. Great video guys!

I found out after leaving the church that I am hyper sensitive to caffeine…it throws me into a panic attack. As an exmo, I’m so bitter about this fact 😂

Orthodox jew here...its wool and linen...and nobody has separate kitchens for meat and dairy except in industrial settings. We just have separate dishes (and sinks if we're able, for convenience, because they cant be mixed.)

I went vegan for ethical reasons a few months after leaving Mormonism. Somehow my TBM parents were angrier about the veganism...

Watching this on my second cup of coffee…

Healthline website: Instead of thinking about coffee in terms of cups - yes, one coffee cup is about 8 ounces - think about your consumption in terms of total caffeine. One cup typically equals about 70 to 140 milligrams of caffeine. “Although further studies are needed to identify the best amount, in general, consuming less than or equal to 400 milligrams of caffeine a day, or about four or five cups, is what we’d recommend,” Dr. Zahn says.

“I woke up from the euthanasia” Tanner that’s how you become the Jesus of a new cult

Funny you should bring up the 7th Day Adventists and their vegetarianism. There's a 7th Day church down the road and I've been tempted for years to attend once just to make some friends and find out how the heck they afford a healthy diet in this place 😅 Edit- I live in Newfoundland. We're an island in the Atlantic. There are like 5 vegetables that grow here and the rest has to be brought in by boat. My husband is most definitely a carnivore and wants meat for supper, so we usually have meat for supper (try to at least stay away from red meats as often as possible) but I personally rarely eat meat otherwise throughout the day. Plus there are certain meals I make for us that are meaty for him and meatless for me quite easily, like pizza. I leave the pepperoni off my side.

My parents said the Word of Wisdom says we don't drink coffee because it tans your stomach like a cow hide. Which isn't true.

7:12 Are you kidding? That is the most beautiful cat. Okay, there's a lot of competition, but WOW. EDIT: I can't get OVER IT. It looks so smug and beautiful. No wonder egyptians worshiped them.

Thanks for this, and all of your videos 😊❤ I grew up in a Christian cult and watching you guys always makes me think how stupid the rules were 😂❤ Thanks for making me smile 🙃😍🇬🇧

Hi, I lived with a 7-day Adventist woman and her family for a good portion of my childhood. The aren’t all vegetarian, not at all. It’s not a rule in their religion. More cultural I think? They also drink coffee. However, none of them eat pork or shellfish. It’s a weird religion. I had to do this youth group thing called “Pathfinders” it’s sort of like religious Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts…but their uniforms looked shockingly like Hitler youth uniforms. I got in realllly big trouble for pointing that out/making fun of it. Oh they also attend church on Saturday. Something about the 10 commandments saying to keep the 7th day holy- hence the name of their religion.

I’ve watched a few of your videos and I find them very informative about the LDS cult. I have been a Lutheran my entire life and I think a big difference between a true Christian faith and a cult is that we are (at least in my 64 yrs of experience) are encouraged to research when in doubt. My pastor will say often”don’t just take my word for it, when in doubt, go to God’s word for clarification “ and I feel like cults like the LDS, JW, etc.. expect their members to blindly follow. Thank you for sharing your experiences

Watched this morning as I made and drank my coffee. Thanks, friends!

Last year I started drinking coffee. A cup of coffee four days a week has allowed me to get off my anxiety meds (under the supervision of my psychiatrist) and I now no longer have issues with two ailments I've struggled with my entire life. So I could have been spared years of suffering if I had just had coffee but I grew up in the church and even after leaving it took years before I realized that I didn't need to keep following the Word of Wisdom.

The idea that Japanese people (or any people) can't drink green tea is just absurd.

Pleasantly surprised to hear a comment on Seventh-Day Adventism! As an ex-Adventist (now athiest), I thoroughly enjoy watching your videos and find that there are many similarities between Mormonism and SDAism (especially in the conservative Adventist circles I grew up in). If anyone else finds this interesting here is a quote from our "prophet" EGW: "Our ancestors have bequeathed to us customs and appetites which are filling the world with disease. The sins of the parents, through perverted appetite, are with fearful power visited upon the children to the third and fourth generations. The bad eating of many generations, the gluttonous and self-indulgent habits of the people, are filling our poorhouses, our prisons, and our insane asylums. Intemperance, in drinking tea and coffee, wine, beer, rum, and brandy, and the use of tobacco, opium, and other narcotics, has resulted in great mental and physical degeneracy, and this degeneracy is constantly increasing" (Counsels on Health p.49.2). Drinking tea and coffee will turn you into a broke, insane criminal! Lol, and to think I totally believed this at one point.

34:48 MOT here - it’s specifically kosher meat and kosher dairy, and is built upon a suggestion that you not eat a calf boiled in the milk of its own mother.

My friend from SLC told me that one of his parents prized possessions, is a travelling copper still that was owned by Brigham Young. One of his parents is a direct descendents of Brigham Young. Brigham Young's travelling still. Think about it, what was Brigham Young doing owning a still, he certainly not using it to make himself a mug of Postum!!!!):):)

I was vegan for 3 years when I was a teenager and I went to girls camp and it had several branches on a big camp ground… the last day they roasted A WHOLE PIG. I cried. How can someone claim to be so righteous but willingly purchase and have slaughtered a prescious, sweet and loving, intelligent animal. If you preach the “word”, I will hold you to that “word”

I have the apostate coffee mug too. It’s my favorite mug. ❤

I'm literally a barista so I'm incredibly curious lol

@Zelph Good morning y'all !!

Tanner lookin good in that pastel blazer and chain.

32:36 The Mayo Clinic defines "moderate drinking" as up to one drink per day for women and up to two drinks per day for men.

The story about Ale/beer in england was true. It was brewed 3 times on the same wort. The first brew was the strongest used for getting drunk the second a bit weaker was your day drink and the third was the childrens beer. This is very very very true as the waterways were all contaminated with all the processes that went on by rivers. Ale was brewed by women and does not have hops, beer was usually brewed by men and did not come into fashion until way later, but hops preserves it so lasts longer than ale.

Go to norway and scandinavian countries, you can definitely see people drink five cups of coffee a day because they are drinking it during the mourning and night

this is the most informative video thus far. i appreciate.

Sam is correct. Back in history distilling and brewing was the only way to drink anything because there was no water treatment. Even kids. So yeah, everyone was mildly buzzed all day! Perhaps tea was safe if they boiled water long enough.

I thought the metaphore of the watering down of christianity was hilariously spot on if u consider that jesus was the one to do the opposite, he turned the water into wine, right? Also as somebody who grew up catholic, banning wine from christianity felt so weird since the communion is at the center of every mass. Where im from catholics still eat the bread and usually the priest and some people will drink the wine (opening enough bottles for the whole parish would be a bit expensive lmao so its a bit more limited than it used to be)

“Which we encourage you do to in remembrance of him” 😂😂😂

You guys were talking about Joseph not being ahead of his time in terms of prohibiting alcohol and tobacco and I was just thinking like… those two things are prohibited in Islam too… …which dates back to the year ~600 AD😅

Can we please be friends 😂❤?! You guys are the people I needed growing up in Utah as a non believer. This organization has affected my life just as much even though I was never a member.

I am a convert...and I find this whole thing RIDICULOUS!

I love your thoughts! I would agree that they have the wow to control their members but it’s also a branding tool for them. If you don’t drink coffee there are very few reasons why you wouldn’t. Being Mormon is one of the first conclusions a person will come to. Then leading them to ask questions about being Mormon.

Coming from a Protestant Christian background, when you say the apostles were concerned about a saloon, I think of Peter and Paul discussing a saloon in Ancient Rome 😂

Also concerning hot chocolate: *It may be a topic to muse in a podcast. You may need to dig and research this more. In the 90s a petition was made to ban hot chocolate and put hot chocolate with coffee with the word of wisdom. It was proposed that there can be no gray area and as hot chocolate was a hot drink and it was highly favored to be drink often and it had a brown color (referring to the black/brown mania-paranoia or 'dark' chocolate...belief literalists wanted to create a black/white standing against the warm beverage. The literalists of the church bandwagoned and tried to push for the membership to prefer and to drink white chocolate instead. Many members complained it didn't taste the same, it looked like frothy melted butter in water, and others complained about the higher calories. Other members complained that this petition was a waste of conscience and an idiot matter of epic proportions concerning matters of Zion and the Kingdom of heaven. The literalists pushed on the principled members and the principled members gained a larger sense of cause to turn the membership to ban hot chocolate as it was a beverage against the principle of hot drink, it had the color dark brown, and it was known to have trivial amounts of caffeine. Also Members that were discouraged from drinking coffee went to hot chocolate as there go to drink. The principled members got irritated that this drink could be 'abused' in large quantities and pushed for the reform even more. The literalists were upset toward the excoffee drinkers as they were not penitent enough by behavior and they (the ex coffee drinkers) were not under their (the literalists) subjegation and direct influence to receive social glory and 'spiritual' substance (more like influence toward the inflected politics) Supposedly most of the votes of the east US were turned to believe banning hot chocolate was more a matter of sacrifice and principle, however west US/UT overturned the petition as it was considered more of a confectionary and chocolate was a main staple dessert in UT. During the time of the petition and social turmoil over hot chocolate, hot chocolate was put on a soft ban at it caused so much discontent and reluctance to have actually have had a soft fear toward the drink, while some others believed that Satan was taking over the drink and drinking it during the time of debate would've weakened the constitution of a members soul. Some members having gone through that societal ordeal still might believe hot chocolate is a soft sin/corruption and will still push against it or believe they have greater principle to not partake of hot chocolate. Some members at that time speculated that if the matter was before the 70s priesthood of blacks to the priesthood, the drink may have had more ground to be banned because of the paranoia surrounding brown/dark chocolate. Besides hot chocolate to research for your musing... There were other petitions in the 90s to cause major cultural shifts in the church started by the literalists in the church... This included: -Banning Christmas - canceling gifts, Santa Claus, the word Christmas and all references not associated with Christ. LDS Literalists hated using the word Christmas as a borrow from Catholiscm as 'The mass of Christ', they hated the commercialization and gift expectation of Christmas, and they saw the multiple traditions owed from several cultures that contributed to make the tradition of Christmas possible as defiling the meaning of Christ and/or a 'tradition of Man' befouling the day. -Banning of the use of computers. Just as computers were becoming more domestically used and available for domestic purchase, the computer was called the 'Devils box'. It was believed by those members pushing the petition / and belief that interaction and manipulation on a screen was a 'window of hell' and the coding of the computer to use 'code' was a manifestation of witchcraft and Satan was interacting with the user. Furthermore, the black floppy discs triggered those members to fear black again and only presumed cards of evil were needed to be put in the computer in order to make the witchcraft come alive. The church used microfiche more for genealogy. As the computer was introduced to replace microfiche those members further escalated their hysteria and perception of belief. -Banning video games one movement started at the end of the 80s, believing that video games were witchcrafts. Another in the 90s using mortal Kombat as the main fuel to ban all games. Another movement in 00s with some odd campaign trying to push that God doesn't tolerate/allow a simulation of life + life should not be simulated. The Literalists had a number of crazy movements with various trigger antics. Another movement stemmed from 'putting aside childish things...' and caused a stigma to grow that all priesthood holders engaging in games were insulant or pushing against their character of manhood to lose dating points. Other nutty influences introduced by a reaction of leadership assuming they were saving members or as they called it at that time 'Building fortifications as the Nephites against the buffetings of Satan' -Banning Black Sabbath - Fear against the color black again and introducing a trigger of the 'sabbath being desecrated' (I listened to it anyways, awesome track) -Ban against 80s rock and roll. A huge push on music should be pleasant, praiseworthy. Beats, screaming, and loud music was being pushed as barbaric music or music to disquiet and Rob the soul. (Still listened to it, was miles better than Come thou fountain or any church music. Mormon Rap came close, but it was still a little corny, like Blues Brothers corny.) -Ban against motorcycle culture, there was indifference made known publicly for men with long hair, not clean shaven, tattoos, and dark skin being tanned (total garbage my opinion, some of the best members came from that culture.) -Ban against 'Witches', various children's books with magic in them. -Ban against watching any performance with illusionists. Illusionists were taught as making a mockery of Priesthood and/or perverting Gods power like Moses staff/snake. -The fear of masks and the prohibition of masks to ward functions (Came about from fear/unrest in membership as the movies Freddie Kruger, nightmare on elm street, and Jason came out) -The fear of Teddy Ruxbin and talking to dolls: Seen as witchcraft, a desecration of mimicking life, and also Chucky came out in movies. -The fear of battery operated toys: Seen as witchcraft by the Literalists and the suppose of mockery against God to put/imbue an artificial 'spirit' in a doll using unrefined unnatural energy (electricity). -The fear of dice: A ban came out banning D+D rollplay. It was seen as sorcery, witchcraft and the books were disliked by the literalists. -The fear of puzzle boxes...yep hellraiser came out lol. It was amusing how petrified many members were to believe that hell was more accessible now ... Through puzzle boxes. - The fear of hell being closer than ever to the Earth/veil + The fear of space (being dark + conspiracies being made about the blackness of space)... The Movies Disney's black hole and later again with the movie Dark horizon with hell being another dimension and is just close to home in space. - Disney's Fantasia was put on ban from the pulpit growing up. (Didn't see Mickey' sorcerer's apprentice until my mid 20s) It was supposed and put forth that Satan was trying to get into the hearts of the members making sorcery, magic, necromancy available. I still remember members screaming to have mickey's sorcerer's apprentice to be shut off or changed as if evil was to leak from the tv set. Literalists were peeved that magic was replacing the respect and place priesthood had.

In the Mormonism LIVE episode yesterday, they mentioned that Adam Clarke, JS's favorite person to plagiarize, spoke out against tobacco.

Why worry about not being able to attend a family members wedding for worthiness issues, it must not be that important for family to be there since they exclude children anyway.

Wait, does is it only considered a chemical addiction if you can die from withdrawal? I thought any physical withdrawal symptoms (such as a headache) made it a chemical addiction

Seventh Day Adventists make a mean cottage cheese & walnut meatloaf

A juxtaposition of two very real scenarios in Mormonism: (1) A Mormon who pays his tithing, attends church regularly and is generally well-behaved can have a habit of consuming massive amounts of junk food on a daily basis, including candy bars, pizza, cheeseburgers, milkshakes, sugary soda pop drinks (uncaffeinated), ice cream and family-size bags of potato chips, while also overdosing himself on over-the-counter pain relief medications (to help counter the pain symptoms resulting from massive inflammation caused by his bad dietary practices and lack of proper nutrition), while refusing to engage in any kind of physical exercise...and, nonetheless, CAN unquestionably be found WORTHY to enter the Mormon temple simply because he ticks off all the right boxes, including the one requiring abstinence from coffee, tea, alcohol and tobacco (the "health" commandment). (2) A Mormon who pays his tithing, attends church regularly and is generally well behaved and has a very healthy lifestyle, regularly consuming only fresh organically grown vegetables (broccoli, kale, cabbage, carrots, etc.), together with moderate servings of eggs, fish and occasional red meat, and also exercises regularly (walking, bicycling, yoga, etc.)...can nonetheless be determined to be UNWORTHY to enter the Mormon temple SOLELY based on the fact that he feels strongly about drinking a weak green tea every day as part of his health regimen and refuses to lie about it when being interviewed by the Bishop. I've asked Mormons I know specifically what they feel about this juxtaposition. Most of them have confirmed to me that even now, in the third decade of the 21st century, consuming a weak cup of green tea on occasion can be regarded as a violation of their "Word of Wisdom" requirements and therefore can be a basis for denial of a temple recommend. As for the junk food consuming health disaster area referred to in the first scenario, they have confirmed that such person can indeed receive a temple recommend. Asked for comment on whether this makes any logical sense, they just shrug and mumble something about how it's really about faith and obedience more than anything else. Well...I guess that's basically the only thing they can say about it. Otherwise, the cognitive dissonance would drive them crazy.

Its wierd cause when youre in something like thins, being subdued and controlled, you know you dont feel good but you think that thats how its mean to be so you dont even question it or even try to feel better. We were supposed to feel bad about ourselves all the time for being worthless sinners while desperately trying to maintain 'a good witness' -so that even silly little things were frowned upon -like wearing ankle bracelets simply because somebody somewhere said that prostitutes wore them so we should 'avoid even the appearance of evil.'

Never mind me, over here obsessed with Porter’s Fire Whiskey

tanner saying euthanasia instead of anesthesia like you’re so right

It's good to discuss the health benefits of coffee, but caffeine definitely IS an addictive substance (not that that's necessarily really a bad thing) as it can cause cravings and withdrawal symptoms like headaches, irritability, and difficulty concentrating. Something doesn't need to have extremely harmful withdrawal symptoms to count as addictive. The caffeine industry now also operates similar to the tobacco industry in the past, targeting young consumers to get them hooked on a product early with bright, tween/teen friendly branded energy drinks that are advertised by people with a young audience like Logan Paul and TikTik influencers. I don't think anything could be as culturally relevant and popular as coffee or cigarettes or alcohol if it wasn't addictive and habit forming

If a mormon were to say, I'll stop drinking coffee when you stop eating meat when it's not winter, what would they say? Did you have to do what your family and church said, and what happened if you didn't?

​i've always thought that a true adherence to the WOW included veganism

You will not die from caffeine withdrawal but you CAN die from too much in one day especially if you have a heart condition. But if would have to be a ton like 20 cups or something of strong coffee

I am an active member but I e always questioned this myself- you can’t go to the temple etc if you drink coffee- which is a bean ground up- but you can go to the temple if you are consuming meat three times a day which involves the killing of animals and leads to factory farming etc. it makes no sense

The strange thing that I’ve noticed is the caffeine from coffee and tea feels better than the caffeine from energy drinks. Energy drinks are just so synthetic whereas coffee and tea are literally plants. I feel like my body processes them much better.

I have relatives who have converted to Mormonism and from them I was led to believe it was caffeine that was banned. I remember when we were kids they were not permitted to drink pop/soda. Mind you this was before the time of caffeine free products. On special occasions they would make homemade root beer and it was a big deal. Are caffeine free substances also banned?

So what I'm hearing is that Joseph Smith does not pass the Kevin test

Maybe I misunderstood what you said. Please correct me. There's a lot of commas that are used so please correct me. To me this says he is pleased when they are used not only in times of famin. That was my understanding. Looking at the commas again. I think it may say they should be used but only in times of famine. Anyone who is good at commas please help me understand. 12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly; 13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

Danish beer in Utah? In the mid 1800s? What you mean imported over the Atlantic, inland through the prairie, through the desert etc.? Yeah, obviously things are different now with modern machinery, but in those days it wouldn't even last the journey and it definitely wouldn't be economical enough to make a profit.

Watching this drinking my morning wine from my beige Stanley

☝🏻Coffee and tea were commodities that took up very little space and was encouraged to use as a bargaining tool to barter with...we do drink hot cocoa/chocolate as well as herbal teas so the "hot beverage" theory doesn't make sense🤷🏻‍♀️

I’m curious as to why keeping the word of wisdom is a requirement for temple worthiness if it’s not even a commandment

Oh! Speaking of the book of Mormon and contemporary attitudes towards Native Americans, my archaeology class did a unit on how ideology and politics can affect archaeological projects and interpretation (as well as the reverse) and we used the Mountain Meadows Massacre and BYU's *interesting* involvement in the excavation and analysis of the mass graves. Spoiler alert, the university was Not Happy that the bioarchaeologist examining the skeletal remains concluded that the injuries of the victims (such as fatal gunshot wounds that occurred before/at the time of death covered up by blunt force damage that occurred significantly after death) completely supported the historical (and contemporary) reports that the settler caravan was massacred with western guns and metal knives with the bodies being mutilated later with tomahawks and other indigenous weaponry in order to pin the blame on the Paiute tribe. You'd think they'd have at least seen that coming considering that Brigham Young himself had publicly admitted to it being done by mormans (after having reported it to the federal government as a Paiute attack and having sold the surviving children at the salt lake city market), an all Mormon jury convicted and sentencing to death a morman leader of the massacre, and the church repeatedly acknowledging and expressing regret over the massacre throughout the years. EDIT: oh I just got to the part about doing a group of pioneers dirty with the distillery being the priority, I guess he screwed over other pioneers a couple times lol. He also used the exhaust of needing to protect the other saints in Utah for the Mountain Meadows Massacre too Anyway, the whole situation leading up to the Mountain Meadows Massacre, I'm the immediate aftermath of it, in the decades after when it finally got investigated by the government, and since the graves were rediscovered in 2014 by archaeologist Everett Basset (despite the best efforts of 'ol Phil Bollinger) was incredibly messed up and really shows the hypocrisy and "lying for the Lord" you guys talk about a lot. Idk it made me think of y'all this week since it seemed like the shitty of thing you'd talk about on your channel

Drinking coffee will destroy your salvation but wanting to become a god is good to go.

Caffeine just makes me tired. It's freaking weird.