First he fires on them without permission and then he killed the Doctor. I’m surprised he wasn’t thrown in the brig and court martialed for disobeying his commanding officer.
Wasnt really a fair fight though. You got Ortega, Gaia, Mash, Ramba Ral, and Char against pilots who haven't fought with movile suits at all. They might be outnumbered 12 to 5 but when you take into account the pilots the outcome was inevitable
@@foofoo3344 Absolutely unfair to call them veterans. This incident happened before the One Year War even began. These are prototypes against prototypes. The simple fact is the Zeon mobile suits are superior to Federation ones.
The Guncannons excel at medium to long range, whereas the Zakus and Bugu are more fit for close range. No wonder the Guncannons got clapped once they got into close quarters combat. They lack mobility and reaction speed compared to the Zaku and Bugu.
The only saving grace for the guncannons was the armor and that failed against the bazooka and heat hawks, only with the machine gun if the unit was lucky
It's also worth pointing out that these Guncannons didn't have Minovsky fusion reactors, so they had a fraction of the output and performance of the Zaku
Even though it’s aces vs greenhorns in slower suits, the Zaku 1s had weaker armor than the 2s, and in the opening barrage alone, there should have been at least some damn paint scratching. A broken armor plate, a torn off piece of shoulder armor. SOMETHING to show that, while new, Zeon would have to adapt in the near future as the Federation was starting to catch up.
problem with that is have to animated as well make Zeon look a little weak but they would not do that as people well complan about Zeon not being unstopable
@@FlameQwertYou say that but as a Zeon enjoyer even I know those cannons should've put a dent at minimum in a zaku 1's armor. The bug is up armored comparatively but even still. The orgin did flop a few things for me.
Zeon had quality and experience advantage, especially early on. Federation won out by sheer production power/modularity once the experience gap closed over time. People forget that GMs didn't really enter true mass production till around/after the Battle of Jaburo. Part of Project V's importance was the delivery of battle data to produce GMs. Federation pilots are mostly referred to as poorly trained till post Jaburo.
What's interesting is that depending on the sources, the Guncannons are classified as MBTs. It kind of highlights the Federation way of thinking on warfare during the OYW era where they still hold on to "old" doctrines.
If you think about it, the RX-78 Gundam MS fixed a LOT of flaws that these Early Guncannons had and significantly closed the gap between the Feddies and Zeon in MS development. Quite scary that they caught up so fast
Keep in mind is that Zeon built their suits for Mass Production in mind. While the Federation's Gundam was so expensive and time intensive to build. There was no way they could mass produce the Gundams for every pilot. The Federation had to scale back the Gundam and make the GM instead. The GM has much lower performance than Gundam.
@TheBigExclusive the GM did have some performance equallinf the Gundam. And come the RX-179, the OG Gundam was basically over qs a front line unit as the GM 2 had equal performance
Gaia should have been court-martialed over this. His insubordination resulted in the absolute failure of their mission and in the long term severely set back Zeonic R&D.
@@frogfinance4605 No one ever gives the Tank Crews or fighter pilots the credit they deserve for just how long they held off the Zeeks until the first MP mobile suits started to roll out. Some missed story potential there really.
@@frogfinance4605 true but these where tank crews in mobile suits which honestly is the worst people you put in these you want fighter pilots people who can make full advantage of the mobility
4 elites pz 4/75. the zaku 1 cant be compared to leopards expecialy when they are the first of their kinds. see your info stgraigt zeon famboy. for comparsion the Dijeh vs the Zaku 3 is Abrams vs Leopards
Nah more like a bunch of new M3's against the late production panzer lll's, maybe one pzVI with the 75 for the guy with the bazooka. Better guns and armour but worse mobility and less experienced crew vs. elite veterans in technically worse machines but making all the difference with experience and tactics, pretty much how it happened in africa 42/43.
I don't know, the art style direction is a little goofy for me, it got it charm tho. I know the 0079 is also a goofy one but it's like.. The pre 2000 kind of goofy. I just.. Don't know how to describe this maybe I was just old fashion bias. Just my own opinion with no hatred
something to mention about guncannons made at this point, is that they had less armor and worse weaponry(presumably) than the guncannon from the original series, which was made in tandem with the gundam, using the fighter core technology
The Guncannon here just looks significantly weaker than the prototypes in the original series. The Zaku mechine guns can hardly dent the prototype. Of course, that beam rifle of the prototype is actually like top of the line weapon for its time. The cannons here also looks technologically outdated compare to the one in the prototype.
@@Guncannon yep, i think the guncannons here were made for anti-infantry and maybe some anti-armor(tanks and other conventional military vehicle) combat rather than mobile suit v mobile suit combat.
@@Guncannonthe RX-77/78 series prototypes had Lunar Titanium armour and e-cap beam weaponry, which was what gave them the advantage during the One Year War.
I am not a Gundam hardcore fan, but what struck me most was (like real aircraft or tanks), a more powerful engine makes or breaks a design. The huge energy budget of the Minovsky reactors allowed heavier armor, weaponry, and more maneuverability, without compromising any of these aspects in favor of one or another. Just the fact that they can self-deploy over operational ranges without needing a carrier to come directly to the frontline is a huge plus. The guncannon mechs seemed to have favored lighter mixed weaponry over everything else, with a much less powerful engine, with commensurate decreases in protection & mobility. If I had to pick a historical parallel, this seems like what happened to Paul-Bolton Defiant turret-fighters when they were deployed against German Bf-109s during the Battle of France in 1940 (it was a massacre).
Many other aspects can also play a role too. The federation's field motor drive system was far better and faster than Zeons fluid pulse drive system. So while on paper, a Gelgood should make mincemeat out of the grandpa Gundam. The drive system allowed it to dodge and move faster.
its bit funny, in other gundam anime, the sharpnel from eplosion alone could simply turn zaku into scrap if that close, let alone the blast. well, this is prime example of plot armor anyway.
Every clip from this series is like watching a professional athlete playing against a child. You could replace the Federation pilots with cats or the equivalent of a brick on an accelerator and they'd do no worse. It's a frustration watching clips of this series and seeing Feds that would probably lose a fight versus a cardboard box with a Zeon logo on it. There's no fun in seeing Zakus dunk on enemies so incompetent.
To be fair, at this point of the timeline, Federation was just starting to make any sort of proper Mobile Suit and they didn't have a proper doctrine for them yet. You can see how Guncannons are basically treated as tanks/artillery pieces, they don't really move. They haven't really gotten doctrine and usage down yet. However, that's just Mobile Suit front. On the non-MS fronts, Federation very much dominated. Battle of Loum would have been massive defeat for Zeon if not for Char pulling some Grade A Bullshit to cripple Federation Navy.
There's a lot of factors at play here. First off, Zeon had access to mobile suit tech well before it was weaponized, with many pilots having years of experience using them in construction work, while the Federation had functioning mobile suits for months at best, so the pilots had far less training, and less time for the establishment of battlefield doctrine. At this point, even if the Federation mobile suits were on par with Zeon's, that experience gap is telling. There's also the technology gap to consider. Zeon had access to Superhard Steel Alloy, which the original Zaku 1's were constructed from, while the Federation suits were made from titanium. SSA was just blatantly better, and future Zaku units would be made from even sturdier materials. Further, since Zeon was first out with Mobile Suits, they had a better idea of what weapons would be effective against them, while for the Federation, this was all still experimental with minimal data, so their weapons would not be up to the task. All of the tech that made the Zeon suits superior came from Minovsky, the man trying to defect, and Zeon had made sure that information wouldn't fall into the Federation's hands. Everything leading up to the Gundam project would have to be done by scratch by Tem Rey, one of his students. The final factor is a combination of the two, and is something so common that it has a name in the real world: Teething Troubles. Any time a new weapons platform is initially implemented, problems will emerge from the fact that all of its development and testing was done in a lab or in controlled environments, orderly environments where all, or nearly all, factors are controlled. War is a chaotic environment, and will reveal flaws that weren't apparent on a drawing board or a proving ground. While the data from this encounter and ones like it would help to iron out the flaws and help improve future production models, if wouldn't help in the short term. All of this is why, in the One Year War, Zeon was able to dunk on the Federation so successfully, and the main reasons why Zeon agreed to a truce was because they were running low on soldiers and weapons, needing to rearm before they could continue the war. After only a year of warfare, Zeon was exhausted, and while they'd made massive gains, battlefield losses meant that they lacked the manpower to capitalize on them. This peace would give the Federation time to catch up, both in terms of technology and battlefield doctrine. Then, with the Gundam, the Federation was able to create a weapons platform that could go toe-to-toe with even Zeon's best weapons, finally bridging the technology gap between the two powers.
I mean, one side already well versed and trained in mobile suit combat, the other side still grasping on what to do with them. War isn't fair, is like me complaining Zaku machine gun cannot penetrate Gundam armor. It wasn't supposed to be fair.
Ah the gm, specs better than most zeon ms, gets wiped out to show how much more powerful the gundam is compared to the gms that stand there and blow up. When there is a gm that can figjt it gets sniped off or killed by newtype powers in 3 seconds anyway.
I think the point was to show just how woefully unprepared for the war the Federation was. They didn't take Zeon seriously enough to keep pace in many areas. Their MS development was way behind, their strategic doctrine was severely outdated, and their overall combat readiness was lacking. They didn't believe it was possible for a single colony cluster to even remotely challenge them. The Federation's fleets had an ungodly numerical advantage, and they didn't think silly gimmicks like mobile suits would matter. It was until the Battle of Loum that the Federation finally understood that the nature of warfare had changed. Honestly, it fits with the recurring theme of the Universal Century timeline. Almost all of the problems in the U.C. are rooted in the Federation's neglect and complacency. Their unwillingness to be proactive and take things seriously before it's too late is a major problem in every series.
The Guncannon specifications lacked balance compared to Zeon's mobile suits, which were created with an emphasis on versatility. This was because the Anaheim Electronics development team and the upper echelon of the Earth Federation Space Force, regarded the humanoid mobile weapons as an extension of large-scale combat vehicles.
to put it simply, the Earth Federation classified The RCX-76-02 Guncannon First Type as a new type of MBT, As stated in the Wiki specifically the paragraph on the Technology & Combat Characteristics Although developed from the Guntank Early type as a new type of MBT, it differed strongly in its functional concept. The Guntank Early Type placed little emphasis on mobility, and its main mission was long-range bombardment with its large-caliber cannons. Since the Guncannon First Type was intended for infantry-style operation, it had more versatile armament as well as better mobility. Its specifications were decided based on evaluation tests using the RCX-76-01A Guncannon Mobility Test Type and RCX-76-01B Guncannon Firepower Test Type. In addition to the long-range bombardment capabilities of the Guntank Early Type, it also emphasized bombardment from medium range, and it was designed so that its equipment could be changed depending on the mission and the team organization. The Guncannon First Type had an armament platform on its shoulders, and was equipped with medium to long-range firearms. Its three-fingered manipulators carried a rifle and shield, but were not outfitted with close combat weapons that would have maximized its humanoid features. The specifications thus lacked balance compared to Zeon's mobile suits, which were created with an emphasis on versatility. This was because the AE development team and the upper echelon of the Earth Federation Space Force. regarded the humanoid mobile weapon as an extension of large-scale combat vehicles. This was a "large mistake", as they later realized at the Battle of Mare Smythii.
I can't get over how Gundam tends to make non mech weapons unbelievably trash. Like we already have the Phalanx CIWS that can shred literally missles from hundreds of meters away. A gundam suit floating up in front of an armed warship without any resistance and dodging its cannons is questionable, regardless of its generation.
General rule of thumb is weapons > armor since it takes more advanced materials and thought processes to overcome the power of a missile or shot. In regards to CIWS though, isn't the whole point of minovsky to neutralize radars? How could a fire control system track a target as far out as your saying without radar?
@@armandaguerrebere8088 CIWS is just one of the many modern day examples I chose. For the situation they were in, they didn't need radar. They were likely within 1000 meters, close enough for manual aiming. AC-130 tactics would had shredded them. Raining thousands of pounds on ordinance on them until there is nothing left. But yet, they only had a ball turret that shot and rotated slower than a 30mm auto cannon from the top of the ship.
"Close enough for manual aiming" indeed, and it probably was being manually aimed at that point, and also probably why the operator missed. I am not a veteran nor a soldier but I have watched a ton of documentaries about the subject, and one thing that stuck to me were the descriptions of people that actually were in battle about how adrenaline is filling your booldstream, which causes you to get twitchy and overreactive, which in turn causes soldiers to miss relatively easy shots. And I would wager that if I was on that transport having just watched all the ground forces we deployed get wrecked and now having an MS right up on my face through the weapon's optics I would be sweating bullets.
I always hate how Zeon can fight with half the numbers and come out on top, making the federation mobile suits look like storm troopers. Don’t get me wrong, I know the lore reason behind it, but even after the first year of the war, a Zaku II was still more then a match for most line produced federation suits
@@matthiuskoenig3378 it’s just how it’s presented. Like how storm troopers can win the battle of HOTH but the only other time the can aim is the opening of the cary first movie. I don’t care that they lose, I care how they lose. Even in unicorn the newest models were being wiped by 20 year old models
Finally, someone is saying something about this. this trope of zeon Wiping out legions of federation mobile suits without breaking a sweat is getting kinda old.
@@AmbroseBoaBowie tbf Stormtroopers are pretty great troops barring times they fight the heroes, like when they storm Tantive IV in the first movie, they mow down the rebels and suffer few casualties despite the rebels having a massive defense advantage from using a choke point, also they were instructed to not kill Luke and the gang on the Death Star as to let them lead the Empire to Yavin IV
The Guncannons are suppossed to be equipped with Chobham armor in quantity, those 90mm Autocannon/rifles are not doing ANYTHING to that level of armor and the unguided rockets are NOT making in flight corrections nor at 1/6 gravity is a tanker standing still. Tank Crews know its fire on the move, firing while stationary is a WWII tactic that was abandoned long ago due to weapon mount stabilitzation and with laser targetting they are not missing even on the move... An antiquated Chieftan hit a T55 while it was stationary at over 3 km during desert storm... The first volley against immobile targets would have cost the Zeons as they discovered their firepower is useless...
they should've saw this coming, I mean, like the Guncannon's in the original series' side stories, those mobile suits are completely useless, those guys in Origin were complete armatures.
Im glad Origin isn't cannon, because this scene is ridiculous. All they had to do was have one of the Zeon units be destroyed in the ambush, and one be destroyed for being to cocky, and it would have works.
the aiming system is not bad, the shell are supposed to be landed right there since its altilery canon, they destroy target with blast not direct hit. the odd thing how the hell zaku are not gets destroyed? zaku armor only design just to tank anti aircraft canon because that the only thing that can keep up with their speed, not altilery canon. in ms 08, that amount of blast could just destroy that zaku.
This series is called mobile suit gundam the origin. It is a prequel to the original Mobile Suit Gundam show. Origin is mostly about the politics leading up to the 1 year war (the war that the original show took place during). I wouldnt recommend it as an entry point because there is comparably less action compared to other shows (still thoroughly enjoyable though). The gundam series take place in many different self contained timelines. Origin and the original show take place in whats called the Universal Century. The UC timeline by far has the most shows and movies in it, that have been coming out for over the last 40 years. They vary wildly in animation style, quality of writing, and amount of budget. Given all that the UC is a tough place to start. I would actually recommend some of the side continuities for a first time watch to see if you can get into the concept before doing a deep dive on UC. Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans (IBO) is a great entry point. It has very kinetic hard hitting battles, with often gruesome outcomes. Unlike other Gundam universes there are very few laser weapons in IBO so there are lot less instant vaporization deaths. Another good option is Gundam 00. Its a pretty traditional gundam show with good fights and decent writing. I recommend 00 and IBO because they have much more modern animation styles so there is more to enjoy visually while getting into Gundam as a whole. If you dont mind the 1979 animation you could of course always start on the original show Mobile Suit Gundam. Its sequel Zeta Gundam is also a good watch. One more show which is one of my all time favorites is Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS team. It takes place during the one year war, but doesnt rely on having watched any of the other series. It is short and v well made.
Its more to do with how new the federation was to having any mobile suits. It is a completely new type of military vehicle to them it would be like having a professional driver fly one of the first ever planes. He might have the same excellent reactions but if he cant instinctively translate them to the machine then hes out of luck. I would also imagine these early Guncannons would be extremely clunky to control.
@@demomanchaos At a base level, Yoshikazu Yasuhiko probably just thought it was a cool gun design and decided to give it to the Bugu? in-universe it ended up being mentioned as being used by both sides according to the HG Bugu kit's manual apparently; which i'd assume means sold to both sides by the same company
@@Jeddostotle7 Probably a hasty bit of scramble-canon to excuse an on-screen gouf (Like the Kessel Run in 12 Parsec's after the SW lore masters realized a Parsec was a measurement of distance rather than time).
@@demomanchaos nah, couldn't really be a goof if they had to make a model for it, especially when there weren't gonna be any Federation MSs to use it in the OVA series; had to be intentional to at least some degree also i might be wrong in ascribing the decision to Yoshikazu Yasuhiko, the mangaka of the original Gundam The Origin manga. i saw a panel featuring a Bugu wielding the weapon and assumed it was from the original GTO manga, but it was apparently from the MSD Cucuruz Doan's Island spinoff manga, that he didn't work on and which came out after the OVAs were coming out i was also wrong in saying the mention of the gun being used by both sides was from the model kit's manual; apparently it comes from the Bugu's page in the Gundam The Origin Character & Mechanical Works Vol. 1 art book, meaning probably both the decision to include the gun with the Bugu and the lore tidbit about the gun being used by both Zeon and Feddie MS came from the Bugu's designer, who i thiiiiink is Hajime Katoki?
They would of more then likely recaptured the professor and advanced their minovsky tech, but with his death all knowledge and potential advances were virtually lost meaning ZEON's own R & D would have to do the work themselves though at a much slower pace, thus allowing the Federation to catch up and advance their own MS project
@@animeking3603 A NEXT, yes, literally every other AC? No. They are notably smaller and with considerably weaker weapons overall. A NEXT just has the agility of late unicorn era model suits so yes if you slap that into the OYW it's going to win. Otherwise? Yeah they don't win lol
@@RhiawhynI'd say what weapons the AC has could be a factor. Rubicon ACs with energy weapons can be pretty formidable opponents against MS. It only starts to get bleak for them when MS starts getting miniaturized. Also don't forget, literally all NEXTs have energy shields and Rubicon ACs can be commonly equipped with them unlike most MS up until the first MS gets miniaturized.
