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Easy Trick to make your Clamps Clamp Harder 

Marius Hornberger
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Simple and quick to do. And you may now know a bit more about clamps.
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@MariusHornberger
@MariusHornberger 5 лет назад
I didn't talk about how the moving jaw stays in place when tightened. Should I cover this in another video?
5 лет назад
Hallelujah, finally, I'm always looking forward to your videos Marius
@sugar0000
@sugar0000 5 лет назад
yeah, in fact i was waiting for that part!
@davidm2645
@davidm2645 5 лет назад
Yes - that is also a good idea. Really liked your video, never knew about the lubrication. Maybe also how well the handle is attached to the threaded bar.
@suit1337
@suit1337 5 лет назад
Yes, and probably you have a fix for slipping old clamps too - i repaired mine by welding a little dot inside and grinding it down, works as new but if one has no welder the opions are limited: filing the notches deeper in the bar, or file the hole wider and jam a soft metal rod in it (aluminium, brass, copper), put a bit of epoxy in it - what are viable options?
@clydedecker765
@clydedecker765 5 лет назад
I think it might help to cover the specific way the jaws become immovable since most of MY clamp failures come from the jaw slipping on the bar. As yet I have been unable to recover the clamps that fail because the problem only gets worse .. I don't know how to "repair" the clamp's jaw movement resistance.
@tensquaremetres4580
@tensquaremetres4580 5 лет назад
This might be favourite opening line to a woodworking video 😂
@ssugarba
@ssugarba 5 лет назад
I haven’t read all the comments, but it should be mentioned that adding hockey stick tape to the handles (grip tape) as Rob Cosman does will give more purchase... resulting in a better grip for more torque.
@dinosoarskill17
@dinosoarskill17 5 лет назад
i love your non BS approach to videos. thanks, looking forward to watching more of your videos
@Kolajer
@Kolajer 5 лет назад
Wait, is this Special Clamp Theory, or General Clamp Theory? And how does that tie in with the Gödel's clamp rack incompleteness theorem?
@24revealer
@24revealer 5 лет назад
Sounds like Screw Lube theory to me. Lube is the magic in the screw.
@metalzonemt-2
@metalzonemt-2 5 лет назад
It's a Schrödinger's Clamp: When a clamp is in a cardboard box, it either clamps or it clamps harder.
@aserta
@aserta 5 лет назад
What happens when the clamp is in a box then?
@MrWizards1974
@MrWizards1974 5 лет назад
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@alexantonov4129
@alexantonov4129 5 лет назад
What sound does one jaw clamping make?
@hallenw
@hallenw 5 лет назад
I thought it would be boring... you make it like a science project. I have NEVER lubricated my clamps and now I feel so STUPID! Going to get the lube...
@BeInspiredwithDominic
@BeInspiredwithDominic 5 лет назад
One of those moments when something that makes perfect sense has eluded you for so long. Now I obviously need to lubricate my clamps. Thanks for sharing, Marius!
@RG-li5zq
@RG-li5zq 5 лет назад
I just trudged out to the shop through a foot of snow to lubricate my clamps. Thanks for the shop tips.
@tonybaleno2138
@tonybaleno2138 5 лет назад
Marius...it's the simple things that make a difference. I agree with your suggestions and have two more to add: Handle Diameter and Surface Finish. I find some screw handles have too small a diameter and have a very smooth finish that makes a good grip difficult. I have found that some foam pipe insulation of the right diameter slipped over the handle and glued in place helps make a huge difference. You did a fine job of summarizing the key points.
@rustlebruxz0013
@rustlebruxz0013 5 лет назад
I'm surprised you didn't talk about the sliding jaw and how it grips the bar. Initially you'd think it would just slide away down the bar but instead as the clamping pressure increases, it bites onto the bar and won't move. I think this is because the 90 degree angle to the bar opens up a little. Instead of sliding on the whole inner surface of the hole thru the jaw, it now only contacts the bar at the ends of the hole where the outer edge of the hole digs into the bar. I didn't realize the bar itself was bending.
@GrahamOrm
@GrahamOrm 5 лет назад
Checkout 'strong boys'. They are a building tool I can't fathom how they work. Here called 'propmates' ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-15OmO4En8Gc.html
@dewexdewex
@dewexdewex 5 лет назад
It works as if the bar is a sprag. The hole in the jaw bar is slightly bigger than the CS of the bar. With a turning force on clamping, the jaw bar rocks and the hole closes up.
@petergray6055
@petergray6055 5 лет назад
Russel Brooks as far as I know, (and I may be wrong), as you tighten the clamp the play in the moveable jaw means that it wants to rotate about its end, but the bar through its end prevents this. This means that the diagonally opposite edges of the hole the bar passes though are gripping the bar with proportionally more force as you tighten the thread. This places shear force across the width of the bar. As the jaws are of no more than equal hardness to the bar’s material the bar remains undamaged (in fact the jaws are normally cast from a softer alloy material and far more likely to be damaged). If the hole the bar passes through were a tighter tolerance to the bar, the rotation would need more force to grip the bar and so in fact a tighter fit may result in greater likelihood of the jaws slipping along the bar. Likewise if they are lubricated. Some bars have fine parallel ridges similar to file reel of saw teeth running across their edge providing a more positive point of purchase whilst the initial grip of the jaws is established. Over time as the hole through the jaws wears or is stretched through repeated application of force (a bit like broaching) the ability of the jaws to establish that first purchase becomes reduced to the point where it is unable to do so and the clamp no longer works. If the jaw rotates too far the direction of force the thread exerts it load through no longer opposes the fixed jaw and again efficiency is lost, so filling the hole of a worn jaw square again doesn’t really work. Sorry if the explanation is a bit rambling its typed around getting the kids ready for bed, and as I say I may be wrong anyway
@rustlebruxz0013
@rustlebruxz0013 5 лет назад
@@petergray6055 That's much clearer than what I was having trouble saying. The sliding jaw gripping the bar MUST HAPPEN BEFORE any significant clamping force can take place otherwise the sliding jaw would just slide on the bar, away from the item to be clamped.
@willieklassen3665
@willieklassen3665 5 лет назад
Really love your videos!
@adamjozwiak7407
@adamjozwiak7407 5 лет назад
Omg this video is amazing! Absolutley love your description and how you explain everything. Love it! 😍😍😍😍
@jimbo1070
@jimbo1070 5 лет назад
Thanks for teaching an old dog something new! Also thanks for the new video!
@iseenochains-oops7863
@iseenochains-oops7863 5 лет назад
A surprising and valuable explanation - thank you.
@TrevorDennis100
@TrevorDennis100 4 года назад
You should also think about mechanical advantage when turning the clamp handle. It's not a problem with modern clamps with hexagonal rubber handles, but round wooden handles are crazy hard to tighten. Bob Cosman has a highly effective trick to overcome this using hockey stick tape to wind a spiral around the handle. It works like you wouldn't believe. The lube idea is a good reminder though as it is something I bet most people don't think of. We lube our planes with candles, and make large screw easier to put in with paste wax, so this is not a huge stretch.
@68HC060
@68HC060 5 лет назад
Great video; a topic that is quite unique. One should know each tool in the workshop thoroughly. I guess that I won't be gluing up a lot of wood using clamps, in order to make a board. The board would get bent if it "rests" on the clamp bars (eg. following the bar). This of course depends a little on the situation, but it's worth having in mind.
@kozkoz7776
@kozkoz7776 5 лет назад
That's a great tutorial thanks for the science behind something so simple there's always an underlying factor to everything isn't their
@doubledarefan
@doubledarefan 5 лет назад
Probably the best way to think of how a screw works, is think of an inclined plane wrapped around a shaft, which is exactly what a screw is. Think pushing a wheelbarrow up a ramp: The steeper the ramp, the more effort it takes to move the load. Likewise, steeper-pitched screws require more torque to turn. Fatter handles are a logical workaround, as they offer more leverage (as shown in the vid).
@tjacksonwoodworker3726
@tjacksonwoodworker3726 5 лет назад
Thanks Marius...very good information and explained very well.
@arthurcrosby5755
@arthurcrosby5755 5 лет назад
Well explained! I support the comment about trying to measure the force increase due to effective lubrication of the threads. Maybe a strain gauge, spot welded to a piece of metal of lower elastic modulus (to magnify the effect) would measure the delta force well. As an afterthought, it may be more suited to a woodworker to measure the penetration depth of a suitably sized ball bearing placed between the clamp face and a piece of softwood. Tightening as much as you can each time (unlubricated vs lubricated) will reveal a depth of impression which is proportional to the applied force. 😀
@FearsomeWarrior
@FearsomeWarrior 2 года назад
Older video and I don’t see replies often on other channels. I’ve had the experience with the wooden handle F-style Bessey of them slipping. I got in there with a triangle and square file to deepen the ridges on the bar. I notice it’s a little sideways. The rolling dies they pass the bar through, I’m guessing, let the material go sideways a bit and the ridges aren’t pressed in along one edge. Filing and making sure the groves cover the whole top helps but I keep finding more. I only have 16 of them but I find another that slips everyone I use them. I think I’ve filed half of them. Going to have to mark the ones I’ve fixed from now on.
@tommccall7540
@tommccall7540 5 лет назад
Interesting, thank you. Excellent explanation.
@ryanorr4626
@ryanorr4626 5 лет назад
Marius, at 4:37, instead of "barely can't", we say either "can barely" or, more rarely, "barely can". I figure this might be just a slip of the the tongue, but I remember from many videos ago that you appreciated being told these things since you're always working to improve your English.
@MariusHornberger
@MariusHornberger 5 лет назад
Thanks, these advises are always welcome
@jeffstanley4593
@jeffstanley4593 5 лет назад
That was an "advisory" and he gave "advice" or words of "advice" .
@Pryorfab
@Pryorfab 5 лет назад
A small square of non slip drawer liner around the handle of a clamp can help wonders as well to get a little tighter! Also doubles as a anti skid sanding pad, and you can use it in drawers to keep tools from sliding too! 👍
@thomasmarliere2505
@thomasmarliere2505 5 лет назад
So easy we have to test it. Thanks Marius
@ThumpertTheFascistCottontail
@ThumpertTheFascistCottontail 5 лет назад
I've sometimes thought about making swivel pads with a thrust bearing to provide the swivel. I wonder if it would make much improvement.
@earlystrings1
@earlystrings1 5 лет назад
Very interesting. Worth noting that you can overclamp a glue joint, forcing out too much glue and starving the joint. Different glues have different specs.
@kaycox5555
@kaycox5555 5 лет назад
Awesome information Marius - thanks again!
@kingprawno
@kingprawno 5 лет назад
I don’t know much about clamps but could you flip the bar to start bending back the other way?
@wauhawk
@wauhawk 5 лет назад
graphite works well. plus as long as you have a pencil you have graphite! just shade in the threads with your pencil. Or silicone spray. Not saying other products are not good but these twp should never cause much issue if it gets on your project. Oily products can soak into wood and then affects your finish. Rubbing a candle on the threads will also do the trick.
@jonasfelleki8374
@jonasfelleki8374 5 лет назад
A candle is very handy for situations were a not messy lube is desired. I often use it for door latch bolt, it makes the doors close so smoothly.
@jbb5470
@jbb5470 5 лет назад
Great video Marius. Enjoyed your discussion on these clamps!
@davidburgess1204
@davidburgess1204 5 лет назад
Hi Marius, very interesting explanations about clamps,now off to the cellar to oil mine! Cheers David
@fisharmor
@fisharmor 5 лет назад
When I restored my table saw, one tip that I picked up is that if you melt paraffin wax and add as much powdered graphite as you can afford into it, you can cast it into a lubrication stick that will rub lubrication on to surfaces (such as acme threads) without fear of the lubrication immediately gumming up from sawdust. This is what I will use on my clamps. :D
@TimPiggott
@TimPiggott 5 лет назад
Really helpful. I'm off to get a syringe for greasing things too!
@SKTWoodDesign
@SKTWoodDesign 5 лет назад
Great Tip!
@peterchristensen4860
@peterchristensen4860 5 лет назад
Excellent video practical information about how tools work always insures premier results ! Please more
@monteglover4133
@monteglover4133 5 лет назад
Really great video. Never thought about how clamps work. New the lubrication truck
@balisticsquirel
@balisticsquirel 5 лет назад
I glue something onto the surface of the handle. Either a gritty sand (sea sand), or string wound around it. More friction in the grip and therefore less hand muscle pressure to be able to apply the necessary torque.
@pappyman179
@pappyman179 5 лет назад
While I didn't personally learn anything new, I'm old and learned most things the hard way. ;-) I thought you did a good job explaining it. Perhaps a tiny bit too watered down, but very nice. If you bother to go into clamps again, you might explain why round black-pipes have a lower max clamp pressure due to slippage and why rectangular-bar clamps are a lot less prone to that (spoiler: surface area, edge shape, angle of attack etc.). You could also cover dual-screw clamps which have more clamping force because they don't have a lever-flex loss, have two screws so the jaws are more perfectly square to the wood being clamped, and the clamp force is distributed between two screws and two hands doing the tightening. But they are clumsy, bulky, slow, and not very versatile for variable lengths. Also expensive. :-)
@schulstrasse2405
@schulstrasse2405 5 лет назад
Awesome Marius, thanks
@mapet513
@mapet513 5 лет назад
4:22 ahhh clamp ASMR :)
@bigbird2100
@bigbird2100 5 лет назад
Great tip so if you curved the bar inwards would that make it a stronger clamp ?
@urishab
@urishab 5 лет назад
Very cool video! BUT Mathias Wendel would have measured the clamping force with a human scale to prove the lubrication works. More video!
@alfredneumann4692
@alfredneumann4692 5 лет назад
No! Matthias W*a*ndel changed his business to LEGO.
@MetalMario137
@MetalMario137 5 лет назад
+Alfred Neumann Well... it's only because of his tendonitis issues.. unfortunately.
@alfredneumann4692
@alfredneumann4692 5 лет назад
I know. Just kidding.
@davemarchetti4255
@davemarchetti4255 5 лет назад
I just hope Matthias doesn't get a Lego injury!
@alvaneames3966
@alvaneames3966 5 лет назад
I by b by BBC
@Mr2at
@Mr2at 5 лет назад
I actually learnt something. Many thanks
@viljargr
@viljargr 5 лет назад
Over lubricating the threads can actually cause another problem. You can tighten really easy, but with "no" friction in threads, it can slip back itsself. I have had this happen with some of cheaper clamps. After some dust has settled in grease it gets somewhat normal again. So lubricate, but with moderation.
@jimcarstens4212
@jimcarstens4212 5 лет назад
Marius, GREAT VIDEO! but you missed one point, the thicker (or larger diameter) handle of the larger clamp offers more torque (rotational leverage) when tightening. Think of using a wrench. If you grip near the head/bolt it is much harder to turn then if you grab at the far end of the wrench. This is also a important thing to keep in mind with stubborn screws. Using a largest screw driver possible will usually have the thicker handle & thus give the user greater torque. This will have a far greater result in tighter clamping force than anything else.
@garagemonkeysan
@garagemonkeysan 5 лет назад
Great lesson. Thanks for sharing! : )
@chemcody5119
@chemcody5119 5 лет назад
Good tutorial Marius. Your English has really come along well. I have a good friend that also speaks two languages. He thinks in his native language and then translates it in his head and speaks in English. You both make the same faces when you are searching for the word you want to use. :) Keep up the good work.
@deepsgnips
@deepsgnips 5 лет назад
Hey Marius, nice video as always. Would you consider doing one about fixing small clamps pads? Those pads are actually small cup shaped metal discs, they get flat easily if you apply too much force and become trash
@stevehall4175
@stevehall4175 5 лет назад
Very informative torque - thanks Marius
@brett328
@brett328 5 лет назад
Another major factor impacting the amount clamping force is the effective diameter of the handles. Thicker diameter handles can impart much more torque with the same amount of applied force. Think cheater bars when trying to loosen lug nuts. Assuming you can exert the same amount of twisting torque on a 3/4" diameter handle as you can on a 1" diameter handle, the resulting torque at the threads will be significantly greater. Length times force applied, or in this case, radius times twisting force applied.
@Pepew86
@Pepew86 5 лет назад
Can you measure the difference in pressure/force you can apply before and after lubrication? That would be really interesting!
@haydenbird8306
@haydenbird8306 5 лет назад
Useful video- simple when explained well but I would not have thought about it. Thanks :)
@alanmullock381
@alanmullock381 5 лет назад
Loved it Marius!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@mbmurphy777
@mbmurphy777 5 лет назад
How hard do we really need to clamp things together? I know what the titebond recs are (really high), but I see people using tape (or super glue) to “clamp” all the time, any this seems to work fine.
@LovingTheIsland86
@LovingTheIsland86 5 лет назад
Good informative video .... well handled!
@semidemiurge
@semidemiurge 5 лет назад
Most woodworking does not require a lot of clamping pressure. MEtalworking can be very different and frequently requires high clamping forces and so we have different clamps.
@zaphodtrenchcoat
@zaphodtrenchcoat 5 лет назад
Lubrication of clamps. It makes sense. Thank you
@herzog2604
@herzog2604 5 лет назад
Some tips: 1. i take a rasp and and i scrape away the paint- less slippery 2. i drill a hole in threw the handle- so i can stick a dowel in threre to habe more torque 3. with bigger clamps i square the handles
@cdouglas1942
@cdouglas1942 5 лет назад
I've glued on white rubber crutch tips to round handles
@CafeenMan
@CafeenMan 5 лет назад
The bigger clamp also has a larger diameter handle which is a longer lever for turning the clamp. Without knowing the numbers I can't say what the difference is but I would guess that the higher pitch and larger handle makes the work equal to the smaller clamp with the finer pitch and the smaller handle. Also lubrication never hurts anything except things that are damaged by lubrication. :D
@Dogeek
@Dogeek 5 лет назад
If you're wondering how does the jaw not move when clamping, it's the same phenomenon that causes drawers to get stuck in their drawer slides. Basically, there's a "hidden" lever in the jaw that is the width of the jaw. With the hole in the jaw slightly wider than the width of the bar, it cause the jaw to tilt a few degrees, creating a torque on each contact point with the bar. Since the surface area is so small at these contact points, the forces applied are really high. To help that effect, the bar is slightly serrated on one end, causing the jaw to bite even more into it.
@Dan_Fahl
@Dan_Fahl 5 лет назад
It’s not just that a heftier handle is easier to grasp in your hand which in turn you can provide greater force physically without hurting yourself, there is also the fact that a thicker handle gives you leverage. Imagine trying to turn a screwdriver normally with a stubborn screw, can be tough, but then try glueing a steering wheel to the end and turning that. Leverage.
@jeffstanley4593
@jeffstanley4593 5 лет назад
If you really want to put some pressure on the clamp do this. Grind two flats at the end of the screw handle just enough to remove the threads and make it a size that you have an open end wrench. Retain as much size of the screw as you can. Of course this will also allow you to destroy something on the clamp as the new amount of pressure will be too much for the clamp to handle if you over tighten.
@woodywood1951
@woodywood1951 5 лет назад
the big clamps are made not big to provide more force but to have longer access for bi parts. If you have to glue a small box or a big box, you don't have to tighten more the big box than the small one. the gluing of parts is not better when you tighten parts together like crazy. You just need the right amount of force
@bmxscape
@bmxscape 4 года назад
thats not even true what do you use when you need a lot of force? a big clamp.
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 5 лет назад
And this, children, is why you *never* lubricate (or use anti seize on) a bolt if the manufacturer's instructions tell you to torque it dry. You can easily produce 3-5x higher clamping loads on a lubed bolt at the same torque, which can quickly lead to cracked parts or stripped threads. Secondly, if you need to get extra oomph on your wooden handle clamps, run a piece of bicycle tire tube (like the one Marius used on the wheels in his band saw) over the handle. They can be a bit of a pain to get on, but man does it give good grip when you are in those awkward positions.
@moninum
@moninum 5 лет назад
There is anti seize that does not change the friction coefficient. Just look up the data sheets.
@crystalsoulslayer
@crystalsoulslayer 5 лет назад
Very helpful video! I'll go build a workshop, put some clamps in it, lubricate them, and let you know how it worked. :)
@nomercadies
@nomercadies 5 лет назад
Always wanted to make my own clamps and clamping systems, but have trouble at the point where I have to make the swivel part. Any ideas how to do a shop made swivel? Lubrication doesn't make a lot of difference if you have a swivel that doesn't work well to start with.
@arrangemonk
@arrangemonk 5 лет назад
proper lubing makes everything better, also how about a hexnut on the end of the handle
@plewelly
@plewelly 5 лет назад
One thing that you kinda missed/kinda touched on maybe a little bit is the mechanical advantage created by the diameter difference between the diameter of the screw and the diameter of the handle, which is kinda like a gearing ratio because it lets you spread the force to turn the screw 1mm around over more than 1mm when measured on the outside of the handle.
@PIXELamPC
@PIXELamPC 5 лет назад
Now that was some high quality clamp ASMR
@Icdezines
@Icdezines 5 лет назад
Joints are more important then the clamp force though. A perfect joint doesn’t need so much force to join it. Clean joints and the right champ placement makes all the difference
@TheOlsonOutfit
@TheOlsonOutfit 5 лет назад
This trick + hockey tape = extreme clamping force :-)
@lukethompson5227
@lukethompson5227 5 лет назад
Best opening line to RU-vid vid i've ever heard 😂.
@Chaka32
@Chaka32 5 лет назад
Danke für den Tip ! Alles gut ? Siehsch müde aus.
@Dwillems26
@Dwillems26 5 лет назад
Your big clamp has a deeper throat too. The longer arms give it more leverage. More leverage makes it easier to put the load in the bar and spring it back to the pads. Science 🙃
@ajl9491
@ajl9491 5 лет назад
DIY Dan deep throat make cause sploooging...
@Dwillems26
@Dwillems26 5 лет назад
@@ajl9491 don't think that was necessary
@brandon2076
@brandon2076 5 лет назад
that's not correct. I just typed out a whole response, but hit the escape key by accident. If you want to hear it let me know
@a0flj0
@a0flj0 5 лет назад
Actually no. The longer arms mean you need to apply more force at the end of the jaws which sit on the bar. Which means more bending for the bar. Which means the angle between the screw and the jaw changes more as you clamp harder. Which increases friction. Thus, you need to turn the handle harder and more, for a bar with similar cross section, when the jaws are longer, to get similar clamping force.
@TheRainHarvester
@TheRainHarvester 4 года назад
Use a block for clamping small objects. So more of the bar is used and can bend to hold?
@MariusHornberger
@MariusHornberger 4 года назад
That doesn't matter. But it's the other way around. The shorter the bar, the stiffer it gets.
@TheRainHarvester
@TheRainHarvester 4 года назад
@@MariusHornberger but if the bar had no bend, it has no "grip". Shorter bars will have less bend. Maybe it's a quadratic function... You want some bend, but not too much. The holding power peaks somewhere between no bend (short), and lots of bend (long).
@nikolastojanovic1952
@nikolastojanovic1952 5 лет назад
I made thicker handles for my cheap clamps, now is much easier to tighten.
@acanadianwoodworker
@acanadianwoodworker 5 лет назад
Waiting for the next Hornberger video is like waiting for the next Kubrick film!
@DerHolzbastler
@DerHolzbastler 5 лет назад
Hey Marius, manchmal ist es so einfach... Ich wäre ehrlich gesagt nie auf die Idee gekommen. 👍
@alfredneumann4692
@alfredneumann4692 5 лет назад
In meiner Ausbildung hatten wir einmal im Jahr Schraubzwingenpflege. Das war in den 70ern. Da gabs Wolfcraft noch nicht. :-) Was Marius da zeigt, ist nicht neu, nur bei den Bastlern in Vergessenheit geraten. Er macht da wertvolle Arbeit.
@MariusHornberger
@MariusHornberger 5 лет назад
Ich bin auch nur drauf gekommen, weil ich (in gezeigter komischen Situation) die Zwingen nicht mehr auf bekommen hab. Dann hab ich mir danach angeschaut warum das so war.
@a0flj0
@a0flj0 5 лет назад
​@@MariusHornberger So was bekommt die Zwinge immer auf: images.ffx.co.uk/tools/RID10348.JPG. Wenn auch vielleicht nicht auf die Art wie man's sich wuenscht (ich mein', kann die Zwinge brechen).
@paulkelly1702
@paulkelly1702 5 лет назад
I am going to go lube all my little clamps, thanks. I use them quite a bit and they are a pain. Now I know why.
@tarz9386
@tarz9386 5 лет назад
THANKS MARIUS , YA JUST GAVE ME A HEADACHE. LOL
@planespotter_franz
@planespotter_franz 5 лет назад
Sehr spannendes Video Marius, so habe ich das auch noch nicht gesehen. Ich hätte aber noch eine Frage, Wie gross ist denn deine Werkstatt? Oder vieleicht könntest du eine Roomtour deiner Werkstatt machen.
@CosmosCraft
@CosmosCraft 5 лет назад
Lubrication to minimize friction is not the only way to increase clamping force. You could use a finer thread pitch (greater leverage), decrease the clamping distance (less bending moment), changing the material (higher stifness), increasing the jaw lenght (law of moments), heat treatments (material hardening), inserting a lever through the handle hole (greater advantage).
@MariusHornberger
@MariusHornberger 5 лет назад
I thought I stay with the basics for now, but all of your ideas are true
@moninum
@moninum 5 лет назад
What? I would say the first and the last are right, forget the other ideas. Stiffness is not changing the force! The two jaws have got the same lenght, always! So the moment at the bar divided by the length of the jaw is - the same. Please don´t tell something of a "law" if you didn´t understand it. Unless something breaks, hardening the bar or the levers won´t change anything. Not even the stiffness. I thought the subject of the video is trivial, but reading the comments, it seems that there is need for education.
@CosmosCraft
@CosmosCraft 5 лет назад
@@moninum Fastener's screw thread is comparable to driving a wedge into a gap. The nominal force is dependend on the angle of the wedge, hence a finer thread.
@moninum
@moninum 5 лет назад
@@CosmosCraft Exactly, that was your first point :)
@barnyardkh4
@barnyardkh4 5 лет назад
The biggest factor in the higher clamp force (between the (2) clamps shown) is the stiffness of the bars. If you could put the same screws, and pivots onto the different bars, you would still have greater clamping force with the larger bar cross-section. Friction and handle size (moment arm) are important factors (in getting the initial force into the system) but, all other factors equal, you won't get any more clamp force out of the clamp without having the larger bar to support/counter-act that force.
@timothydalton90
@timothydalton90 5 лет назад
Exactly 👍 stiffness/thickness of the bar is the most important factor
@knoodkuhl19
@knoodkuhl19 5 лет назад
you're definitely right! you can see the bars as springs and the bigger bar has a much higher spring stiffness than the smaller one. so with the same bending of the different bars the resulting clamping force wont be the same (Force = spring stiffness * way). But as you already mentioned you have to apply that force by hand and so marius isnt wrong at all...
@terl0th
@terl0th 5 лет назад
I beg to differ. Imho the stiffness of the bar doesn't change anything, given the bar doesn't touch the workpiece or yields. The bend of the bar ist just a reaction to the clamping force, not the other way around. With everything except the bars the same, the clamp force would be exactly the same, just one bar would be bend a bit more than the other.
@ThumpertTheFascistCottontail
@ThumpertTheFascistCottontail 5 лет назад
@@terl0th ..." just one bar would be bend a bit more than the other" The more the bar bends, the more the clamping force is reduced..
@terl0th
@terl0th 5 лет назад
@@ThumpertTheFascistCottontail Thats a common misconcenption. The bending doesn't reduce the force. Simple test everyone can do at home: If you put a spring on a scale, zero the scale and put a weight on the spring, the scale will show you the same weight, no matter the stiffness of the spring. I know, you will say a scale measures weight, not force. But this is also a common misconception. A scale can only measure the force grenerated by mass and gravitation, it then calculates the weight (which is why a scale shows different values in different parts of the world)
@PlasmaHH
@PlasmaHH 5 лет назад
I have my clamps with a hex nut at the end of the thread so to clamp really hard I can use a lever
@TheLindsay720
@TheLindsay720 4 года назад
I will now go into my workshop and lubricate my clamps, if I haven’t done so already.
@willieklassen3665
@willieklassen3665 5 лет назад
Another thing you could do is make squared off handles like john heisz did in a video.
@juleswebb1885
@juleswebb1885 5 лет назад
Have you tried a handle like that?..very uncomfortable to use, so not a good design imo. Just a larger diameter round handle would work and be nicer to use
@ajl9491
@ajl9491 5 лет назад
Willie Klassen john doesnt know what hes talking about hes deeply in love with mathias .....
@juleswebb1885
@juleswebb1885 5 лет назад
@@ajl9491 yeah, John does a lot wrong!...and i think he and Matthias have fallen out, but John misses him! : )
@juleswebb1885
@juleswebb1885 5 лет назад
@@greco2189 i did better than that and made my own clamps! : )
@a0flj0
@a0flj0 5 лет назад
Square handles are hard on the hand. But IME slightly rounded triangular ones are comfortable. By slightly rounded I mean not just rounded edges but also slightly bulging faces. Better grip without pain. Somehow they fit the geometry of your palm.
@Mr_Judge_Benny_Hinn
@Mr_Judge_Benny_Hinn 5 лет назад
The only part I understood was... lubrication causes less friction!.
@ajl9491
@ajl9491 5 лет назад
loopy Head yes on the phalus...
@gestaltlabart
@gestaltlabart 5 лет назад
If you want to clamp harder, drill a hole in the handle and put a screwdriver as lever trough it for the final fastening.
@superdau
@superdau 5 лет назад
Any idea if it is possible to fix clamps that start to slip on the bar to the point of being useless?
@Gazfixify
@Gazfixify 5 лет назад
I recently made a mistake with my clamps. I coated the shafts with 'renaissance' wax to stop rust... But they stared slipping... A quick sand with 120 just on the small edges of the bars (where they grip) fixed it... So this might help in your case also? Worth a shot.
@MAGAMAN
@MAGAMAN 5 лет назад
This is the first time I've ever seen anyone "Science the shit out of clamps".
@kingprawno
@kingprawno 5 лет назад
Well said Mr. Watney 🤣
@woodsprout
@woodsprout 5 лет назад
MAGA's don't like science too much.
@steal25
@steal25 5 лет назад
All the scientific proof in the world wouldn't change a MAGAs mind anyway.
@whosaidthat5236
@whosaidthat5236 5 лет назад
I’m old I just turned 38 so forgive me but ... what the hells a MAGA ?
@pd417
@pd417 5 лет назад
Make America Great Again
@uwezimmermann5427
@uwezimmermann5427 5 лет назад
yes sir, will do sir! ;)
@chrisjacobs7434
@chrisjacobs7434 5 лет назад
What/which lubricant?
@steal25
@steal25 5 лет назад
I've always wondered why clamp handles don't have a Hex head for easier grip in awkward situations. Maybe just a hole through the handle so you can stick a rod through to help turn for those awkward moments.
@simonstucki
@simonstucki 5 лет назад
great but the real question is how to avoid the oil or grease that will eventually turn black (because of tiny metal particles that get abraded from the threads I guess) to get on your workpieces and hands....
@rigas472
@rigas472 5 лет назад
No B.S. BRAVO.
@Mobin92
@Mobin92 5 лет назад
Doesn't the screw "slip" back when it's lubricated... which loosens the clamp?
@MariusHornberger
@MariusHornberger 5 лет назад
No, not at the pitch that these screws are made
@RichardBronosky
@RichardBronosky 8 месяцев назад
If you do a follow up to measure the difference in clamps, here's something you should also test. The optimal screw length is just short of 100% tightened. Compare adjusting the slide to where you max out at 1% screw tightened versus machine out at 99% screw tightened. With the screw at 99%, there is more bar between the jaws. That means more flex and more force. ☮️❤️🌈
@lohikarhu734
@lohikarhu734 5 лет назад
Can one also polish the threads a bit? Most of them are rather grotty!
@nickpelov
@nickpelov 5 лет назад
I already lubricated the clamping pad, but I don't think lubricating the threads is a great idea, because that's what's stopping it from ... unclamping. On a new clamp lubricating the threads is ok, because the threads are rough. But used clamp will have smoother threads and they will slip easier. Most clamps will probably work well even if threads are lubricated because the thread step is small enough, but I don't do it just to be on the safe side
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