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Elena & Katherine: Inverse Mirrors 

Rachel Macdonald
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The Vampire Diaries is a show about mirrors. The series contains so many different parallels that it gets to the point where almost every character and relationship is a subversion of another and The biggest examples of this are the parallels between protagonist Elena Gilbert and her mystical, evil Doppelganger Katerina Petrova, aka Katherine Piece.
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@Tarikkb
@Tarikkb 3 года назад
Nina dobrev’s acting was amazing, especially when the characters cam face to face
@stephaniepage4334
@stephaniepage4334 2 года назад
I agreed
@rileymoore1091
@rileymoore1091 3 года назад
can we appreciate how many different roles nina played?? elena, kathrine, amora, elena with no humanity... but still very different then kathrine. Kathrine pretending to be elena.... but still different then elena. Like damn even tho elena got very irritating, nina is a great actor
@Belladonna.x
@Belladonna.x 3 года назад
She also played Tatia.
@LetsTalkAboutItPodcast25
@LetsTalkAboutItPodcast25 3 года назад
Actress or actor
@Emilyh-bo5bd
@Emilyh-bo5bd 3 года назад
I’ve never noticed how kathrine was afraid of death and Alana wasn’t, that’s honestly kinda interesting Kathrine is honestly the only think that keeps me watching the show. Nina doesn’t get enough credit for playing two completely different characters in one show
@oceanstar9462
@oceanstar9462 3 года назад
*Elena
@Emilyh-bo5bd
@Emilyh-bo5bd 3 года назад
@@oceanstar9462 i definitely didn’t even realize I did that omg
@oceanstar9462
@oceanstar9462 3 года назад
@@Emilyh-bo5bd it’s okay don’t worry 😊
@changesme110yearsago9
@changesme110yearsago9 3 года назад
Oh baby, keep watching 😂 you’ll be even more impressed
@Emilyh-bo5bd
@Emilyh-bo5bd 3 года назад
@@changesme110yearsago9 I’ve tried rewatching the show so many times but can never get past like season 4 😭
@NRLiterature
@NRLiterature 3 года назад
When you said that stefan had been sexually asaulted by Katherine I literally had to pause the video and come to terms to the truth of it. Holy sh*t!
@xMrRAGER6
@xMrRAGER6 3 года назад
Same... 12 years later I’m like... woah she did
@greekyogurt2855
@greekyogurt2855 3 года назад
but people still ship Katherine and Stefan together
@SelenaY.1331
@SelenaY.1331 3 года назад
@@greekyogurt2855 when they shouldn't
@NRLiterature
@NRLiterature 3 года назад
@@greekyogurt2855 Really? Don't know those people
@meeieio
@meeieio 3 года назад
Deana Faye I’ve seen some Katherine and Stefan shippers on tiktok, there’s also people who ship Bonnie with Kai
@naimaahmed9730
@naimaahmed9730 4 года назад
Actually I got the idea that Elena’s love for Stefan was selfish but in a different way to Katherine’s she loved him bc after her parents death she needed light and bc he was a vampire it was the idea he would never die and leave her broken was one of the reasons she loved him
@deerpark4622
@deerpark4622 3 года назад
i wouldn’t say that’s necessarily selfish though
@smita568
@smita568 3 года назад
Elena didn't know that stefan was a vampire when she felt the passion and connection bw them, and started dating him.
@michaeljones9183
@michaeljones9183 3 года назад
Stefan was the problem in both of those relationships he comes off narcissistic He never wanted to stop Elena from doing stupid stuff because he didn’t want her to be mad at him... Not to mention Caroline wanted him the entire series but being the hero meant more to him
@smita568
@smita568 3 года назад
@@michaeljones9183 you are incredibly ignorant to the context behind stefan's behaviour. Chosing death isn't rainbows and unicorns. How delightfully insensitive of you to call him out for sacrificing his happiness. Like seriously!
@alyssagentner4601
@alyssagentner4601 3 года назад
yeah i wouldn’t say that’s “selfish” i would say it was a broken girl who loved a boy and got an extra i’d say “bonus” for her because she lost everyone she’s loved and knew she wouldn’t lose him. that’s not really selfish because she loved him before she knew about the vampires and she still stayed with him idk man
@itsmeh4364
@itsmeh4364 3 года назад
Season five fucked up the show and I blame the originals for this. Katherine was meant to have a redemption arc - as a human she would learn again and finally having her daughter with her BUT julie ruined it.
@pwlpc
@pwlpc 3 года назад
Season 5 and 8 were probably the weakest and worst of the whole show. Although season five has many intriguing elements that should've worked for a good story. Like Katherine rekindle her humanity through the relationship with her daughter.
@raquelledaone7176
@raquelledaone7176 3 года назад
she ruins everything that whole season was bad and rushed. szn 7&8 were also bad cause she was stuck on delena and couldn't give Damon a new relationship.
@pwlpc
@pwlpc 3 года назад
@@raquelledaone7176 Can you maybe articulate it better? otherwise I would say that s7 is pretty good despite Dobrev leaving and Candice pregnancy that had to be written in. For sure a lot of missed opportunities but it had coherent sense
@moon.937
@moon.937 3 года назад
The originals are amazing though, even if tvd started sucking, the originals just go better and better, although it peaked at season 3, I love TO more than TVD. TO is also more diverse
@pwlpc
@pwlpc 3 года назад
@@moon.937 I fully agree that The Originals peaked with season 3
@nana-nd9uj
@nana-nd9uj 3 года назад
That's the magic of actress Nina. Both are completely different character, different personality. She played both roles. sometimes we can't even believe that both played by single person.
@outspoken5808
@outspoken5808 2 года назад
Another smaller inverse - Katherine met and fell in love with the Salvatores when she was a vampire and they were human, and she turned them; Elena met and fell in love with the Salvatores when she was a human and they were vampires, and they (Damon) turned her. Katherine introduced the Salvatores to the supernatural and Elena was introduced to the supernatural through the Salvatores.
@cleverjade巧玉
@cleverjade巧玉 Год назад
Omgggg I never thought about how Stefan appreciates that he has free will with Elena, and in turn he always respects her choices no matter what. I love Stelena so much
@lxfj2128
@lxfj2128 3 года назад
Elena intelligent really . Stefan never loved Kathrine he loved the fake version of her that acted like an orphan sweet angel. That’s why Stefan called her an angel because he fell in love with her fake image but when Katherine revealed her true dark self Stefan was absolutely disgusted and neede compulsion on like Damon who truly loved Katherine even when he saw her real side so ur spot on
@maybe_ninja_turtles5603
@maybe_ninja_turtles5603 3 года назад
Lol, won't you be AFRAID of a freaking vampire in your bed, who is sucking your blood? This isn't twilight dear, get over it. Stefan's reation was genuine. Damon's morality, even as a human is questionable, bcoz he helped her murder innocent people for blood. Where is snatch eat erase? Why murder when you can survive otherwise? Had katherine revealed her true identity to stefan, and never used supernatural advantages like compulsion on him(stefan didn't do that with elena even if she was terrified), steferine could have had this i-am-crazy-for-you dynamic which won't let them take separate ways, they would come back to each other. The chemistry is believable. I mean, they could surprise each other with simple touches and kisses. They might not want to loose the way they feel for each other. They slept together consensually once too. Had she not manipulated stefan into drinking her blood without his permission, they could have had a future together, one where they would share this i-dont-like-what-you-do-but-i-cant-live-without-you dynamic. Stefan would challenge her to be better and had the world been kinder(screw you klaus), katherine's redemption could have been ispired by her love for stefan and stefan's love for her.
@conlon4332
@conlon4332 3 года назад
Wow, that was hard to read, but yeah.
@kathleenhall2067
@kathleenhall2067 3 года назад
@@maybe_ninja_turtles5603 this sentence is grammatically correct, but it is wordy and hard to read 💔
@faycoleman9023
@faycoleman9023 3 года назад
I never really considered that Kathrine raped Stefan when she turned him into a vampire. She did take away his free will so it makes sense. With this line of thinking Damon raped Caroline when he was seeing her. I think this line of thinking could be more accepted by the fanbase.
@PurpleLemon22
@PurpleLemon22 3 года назад
ngl for years people have always pointed out that Damon raped Caroline
@moonjoke
@moonjoke 3 года назад
@@PurpleLemon22 yeah we have been pointing it for so long but because delena no one takes us seriously because I honestly didn't really think much of it till I rewatched season 1 years later.
@Patricia7561
@Patricia7561 3 года назад
No. The writers clarify this point, there was no rape in the case of Damon and Caroline.
@PurpleLemon22
@PurpleLemon22 3 года назад
@@Patricia7561 and you believe the writers lol? they suck Damon's ass, of course they would say that in order to make him more palatable for the audience. Caroline had bite marks and bruises, he attacked and raped her against her will, compelling her to be fine with it everytime (which she remembered by the way when she became a vampire)
@Patricia7561
@Patricia7561 3 года назад
@@PurpleLemon22 Noooo why should I believe someone that actually created, wrote, discussed those scenes, written by them, with the producers, with the actors, with the directors, you clearly know better, right? 🙄
@briannabrickey444
@briannabrickey444 4 года назад
Yes! I loved their rivalry and dynamic. It was one of my favorite relationships on the show. Great analysis! You pointed out things I never thought of, like how Elena isn't afraid of death and I watched the series twice. And how Katharine raped Stefan. It makes the fact that they briefly got back together even worse.
@sky-pd4xc
@sky-pd4xc 3 года назад
katherine didn't rape him, she had consent and that,
@maybe_ninja_turtles5603
@maybe_ninja_turtles5603 3 года назад
Steferine never got back together, they had a one night stand, which meant less to stefan then katheine might want to admit. Stefan never forgave her for what she did, had he done that, he would ask her on a date. He didn't. lmao.
@sky-pd4xc
@sky-pd4xc 3 года назад
@@maybe_ninja_turtles5603 yeah true he knows his worth and deserves better than a player like katherine lmao
@natasha8966
@natasha8966 3 года назад
I think elena sometimes had a death wish because she’s grieving the death of her parents, Jenna and her brother, she knows she will see them again.
@maybe_ninja_turtles5603
@maybe_ninja_turtles5603 3 года назад
@@natasha8966 nope, i don't think so. She always wanted to survive, but on the cost of people she loves. That's the difference bw a martyr and a selfless person, a very thin line indeed. Moreover the whole point of stelena is supposed to be them dragging each other out of their dead old selves. That's the kind of love that gives you a purpose to live, that's the whole point of s1.
@Danielle-to8zh
@Danielle-to8zh 4 года назад
I really enjoyed this. It was very intelligent and insightful and well edited. I would love to see more of these types of video analyses from you.
@tyrisaustin4856
@tyrisaustin4856 3 года назад
The person who had done this was incredibly accurate, plus doing a video on Klaus on why the way he is highly appreciated.
@hurricanevenuss6045
@hurricanevenuss6045 3 года назад
Amazing video! I'm so glad you mentioned things most tvd stans seem to choose to ignore/not mention?? Katherine/Elena ended up being so much more alike than I think the writers intended (I believe, since it was hardly mentioned and they chose to blame Katherine for everything that happened to the inner circle, instead of blaming the salvatore brothers or even elena herself.) and you highlighted that perfectly in this video! Thanks for this!
@Sanaa_K_Mohamed
@Sanaa_K_Mohamed 3 года назад
6:10 They both fall at 1st, but in the end they both made a decision, Elena chose Damon and Katherine chose Stefan.
@Su-bo7qu
@Su-bo7qu 3 года назад
As someone who is obsessed with this show i absolutely loved this! Wow pls never delete this i want to show this to my grandchildren
@debiedebsielein3264
@debiedebsielein3264 3 года назад
Su 1106 download and save it then 😂
@Evelinaa
@Evelinaa 3 года назад
This was really good! I never understood why Stefan hated himself so much, I thought it was because he was a ripper. But it all started with katherine, then being the ripper made that so much worse for him. Then Damon on top of that... poor guy, it's good that he had Lexi. With this analysis tho, it really should have been Stefan to have a happy life. His ultimate marter/sacrife move for Damon was unnecessary. Stefan was not responsible for Damon. He was younger. He actually needed Damon more. But Damon being a pissy prick had to punish him and have the girl and kill everyone... ugh... I do like Damon, but it's clear I'm a Stefan stan😂
@lagalletasincremita6788
@lagalletasincremita6788 3 года назад
soooo true I don't understand how Elena fell in love with Damon.
@2ndKidd
@2ndKidd 3 года назад
The full circles they could've had with Damon sacrificing himself in the end for his brother after initially wanting to cause him a lifetime of misery. Hate how TVD turned into nothing more than fanservice at the tail-end of it's run. So much missed potential smh
@larasnowwhite1413
@larasnowwhite1413 3 года назад
Sorry but Damon’s the poor guy 😂 not Stefan
@aech_p
@aech_p 3 года назад
yet stefan was the one who forced damon to turn, even after he rejected the blood thrice, in that way, damon and elena are very similar, where they both accepted that they were about to die, and resented that they turned
@natasha8966
@natasha8966 3 года назад
I get that Damon is pissed at Stefan for turning him into a vampire but for me yes Stefan he could hurt but then killing innocent people and his friends that’s where I draw a line, he can get back at Stefan all he wants but don’t hurt people who weren’t directly involved in your personal drama.
@blairolines
@blairolines 3 года назад
Yes, he felt inferior. Not only Katherine choose Stefan over Damon, but His own parents did too. He was always picked first, I'm so glad that Elena picked him. That's why he didn't believe he was worthy at first and thought he didn't deserve her. That must've left a huge scar on him.
@jessicadangerfield1539
@jessicadangerfield1539 Год назад
The kind of childhood neglect and trauma Damon endured physiologically changes the wiring of the brain. Once Elena starts to care for him, I’m pretty sure Damon’s brain started rewiring itself.
@suukiin
@suukiin 3 года назад
I can’t believe this isn’t blown up already
@probablysnot3343
@probablysnot3343 2 года назад
I love that Elena’s parents’ death is the beginning of her story, while Katherine’s daughter’s death is the end of hers.
@matthewmann8969
@matthewmann8969 3 года назад
Katherine is the more fun one
@sabrinac8453
@sabrinac8453 3 года назад
Elena is so boring
@polaroized
@polaroized 3 года назад
she literally is the most selfish character of the series, elena was willing to sacrifice herself for her family and friends
@ash-bq6py
@ash-bq6py 3 года назад
@@polaroized difference is she admits to being selfish all the time and doesn't pretend to be selfless. Elena can be incredibly self-centered and makes choices for others then gets mad when others do the same to her. although Elena doesn't fear death and will sacrifice herself, she has a support system that will ensure she will be okay. Katherine doesn't have that. she protects herself and constantly does selfish actions because she has no one to be selfless for. when her daughter came into the show it's shown Katherine's selfless side, she just never had anyone to show it to. on top of that Elena isn't always selfless, with Caroline's abuse story with Damon Elena disregards her feelings. telling her to push her hatred for Damon abusing her because she's happy with him. that's why Elena isn't a good person all the time, she's selfish and pretends to be the only important thing while claiming the opposite.
@arnabchatterjee6501
@arnabchatterjee6501 3 года назад
@@ash-bq6py Yes I think that's the thing. Elena is also selfish and Katherine can also be selfless. But Katherine was definitely more manipulative than Elena. Elena despite having a support system was willing to die first for Matt and then for the sacrifice by Klaus. Elena and Katherine are both people who went through extreme situations in life. But I do think Elena is a good person who was selfless to the point it turns into selfishness.
@arnabchatterjee6501
@arnabchatterjee6501 3 года назад
I don't think its fair to pick a character based on fun and boring. The fun one could stab you in the back anytime and the boring one won't UNLESS you threaten her family or loved ones.
@vanilla5245
@vanilla5245 3 года назад
I love this show I watched it a few years ago and I'm rewatching it right now for a second time years later. Don't want to grow out of it in a few years when I'm older and no longer near the characters age
@tashienumber1hater
@tashienumber1hater 3 года назад
THIS WAS PERFECT. Thank you for making this! I recently just finished watching it again and this hits everything spot on. Katherine's fear of dying, Elna's impulse to dive into dangerous situations without rationally thinking it out. Subscribed! Also, shout out to all the Vampire Diaries fans!!!! We are the best fandom out there! All these years the show has been off the air and it still feels like the best show I've ever watched.
@mickcrump7799
@mickcrump7799 2 года назад
I don’t think I would say that Elena Elena does not fear death or that this fearless attitude towards death was her prime motivation for having Stefan rescue Matt instead of her in season 3. Elena is introduced to us as a traumatized young woman who is wracked with grief over the loss of her parents, and is heavily struggling with her own survivor’s guilt. Elena does improve after meeting Stefan, but it is clear that Elena not so secretly harbors a death wish. Elena’s death wish is something that she struggles with for many of the early seasons, especially in season 4 and has transitioned into a vampire. A great example of this is the truth the hunter’s curse uses to break her down to the point that she is ready to burn in the sun, as she truly believes that she was meant to die that night along with her parents. She fully admits in the season 4 premiere that she was ready to die, and that her transition was never meant to happen. Her decision to make Stefan save Matt first, was her way of accepting the fate that she believes she escaped the night Stefan chose to save her life over her parents. The opening of the season 3 finale speaks volumes about Elena’s view of her life and her mortality. We see her waking up in the morning with upbeat music and a genuine smile of happiness on her face. She’s home in her bed, and she is surrounded by all of the people she loves, including her parents, Jeremy, and aunt Jenna. The abrupt cut of that cheerful day is purposeful, as we see Elena awake to the reality of her current life, which finds her once again on a hospital bed, but completely alone. All aspects of that carefree girl she uses to be are gone. She’s battered, bruised, and most importantly, alone. There are no sounds of her loved ones and family around her, just the lonely sounds of the life support machines beeping in the very pronounced silence that is felt in this scene. The immense level of sadness and regret immediately come flooding back as Elena realizes that she was dreaming of the happy life that has forever been taken from her. Elena is also realizing that she is tired, not just physically, but psychologically and emotionally. Elena has lost pretty much everything that was dear to her. She admits to Matt that Stefan helped bring her out of the deep depression she found herself drowning in at the start of the show, but a great deal of her need for Stefan stemmed from her knowledge that he was immortal, and would not leave her to be alone again. Elena spends the episode making peace with the regrets she has towards people like Matt and Caroline, bc she has accepted her death as an inevitability. Elena is aware that the only way to save her friends and Jeremy, is to die and take Alaric with her. However, the opening scene provided us with the real motivation that she is ready to die, along with the flashbacks that show us that in her mind, her choice of the bonfire over family night was the catalyst for all the tragedy that has befallen her family and those of everyone she cares about. Her survivor’s guilt has been validated in Elena’s viewpoint, and she has willingly resigned herself to death. Many of her actions are reflective of people that have committed to their decision to end their own lives. So when Rebekah forces Matt and Elena into the river, Elena is not what I would call fearless as we see her frantically trying to wake Matt as the car fills with water and we flashback and forth between the present and the night her life was forever changed. Her fear is that Matt’s connection to her will cost him his life, as Elena already sees herself as being able to finally correct her fate and being an end to the borrowed time that she has been living on since Stefan chose her life over the lives of her parents. This is why after Stefan swims away with Matt, Elena allows herself to stop fighting her fate and breathes the water into her lungs, thus drowning in the same location that she believes she was always meant to die along with her parents. This is why her emotional reaction upon waking up at home in bed and in the midst of transition, that she is overwhelmed with anger and sadness. Elena died in the river peacefully , and with the knowledge that she was saving her friends and Jeremy from further danger, while also meeting the fate she believes she escaped all those years ago. Only now, her second escape from death is heightened by the vampirism and the knowledge that her choice to die, and all the mixed feelings she’s felt about surviving her first brush with death, are not validated, but are back and more powerful than ever. The show choice to not have Elena finally realize that she wanted to live when she found herself in a full circle moment in the water at the end of season three, is somewhat problematic and sends a flawed message. Elena was never fearless of death due to noble or selfless reasons. She wasn’t afraid to die bc she never really got over her survivors guilt and the belief that she had wrongly escaped her fate the night her parent’s car drove off into wickery river.
@Jessica-wo6px
@Jessica-wo6px 2 месяца назад
And that can lead to suicidal thoughts and tendencies. Elena needed counseling not be a savior for Damon or anyone else on this show. Sad she never found a guy who is deserving of her.
@mickcrump7799
@mickcrump7799 2 месяца назад
@@Jessica-wo6px I absolutely agree with you on this point. Stefan saw her as his redemption for the mistakes he made with Katherine and the conflict it caused him and Damon which led to their deaths and transitions into vampires. Damon was a whole other level of toxicity because he placed his entire happiness/self-worth and ability to control his murderous desires completely on Elena’s shoulders! Even though it was Katherine inside of her body at the time in season 5, Katherine spoke the truth when she broke up with Damon as his obsessive need to make Elena accountable for all of his actions and choices, both good and bad, was always far too much for anyone to do to the one they proclaimed to love. Katherine was right in this instance and was doing Elena a favor as an eternity of feeling indebted to Stefan for saving her life and being responsible for keeping Damon from killing innocent people would have been hell! Damon had already placed the blame for almost 200 years of abuse and bad behavior onto Katherine’s shoulders, even blaming her for him killing Vicki out of boredom.
@LemonRose59
@LemonRose59 Год назад
I love thisvideo, hilightting the best of Elena. I'm tired of people always depincting her as self-centered, weak, obnoxious and always like to choose Kat over her.
@Jessica-wo6px
@Jessica-wo6px 2 месяца назад
She is much better though also selfish as well. But Katherine is much, much worse. What happened to Stefan alone was just heartbreaking💔😢
@konanmadeleine2753
@konanmadeleine2753 4 года назад
Wow that was so great , will you do other mirror analysis ?(not just TVD)
@racheldoesfandom
@racheldoesfandom 4 года назад
Possibly, although no immediate plans 😉
@charlestoti2252
@charlestoti2252 4 года назад
Anyways Katherine>>> Elena
@claireindigo1200
@claireindigo1200 3 года назад
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@lxfj2128
@lxfj2128 3 года назад
No doubt
@michaeljones9183
@michaeljones9183 3 года назад
Right everything people hated about Katherine was literally done by everyone else she was just better at it
@superman1208
@superman1208 2 года назад
I Disagree, I think Elena is better. But we all have our opinions. Both doppelgängers have their ups and downs. Also, the video wasn’t necessarily supposed to make you like Elena more. It’s just explaining their similarities and differences.
@charlestoti2252
@charlestoti2252 2 года назад
@@michaeljones9183 yess Damon is a knock-out Katherine. At least, Kat is straight-foward with her actions.
@paloRBD
@paloRBD 3 года назад
And that's why I love Elena, we need people like her in life and hes flaws are so normal for a young person. (we doesn't has to be so hypocrite we all been there). and Katherine is just a great character, I like her just for that, because is enjoyable see a woman badass, but she was a terrible person and for her fault Stefan died.
@franciscoancer2618
@franciscoancer2618 3 года назад
Damn, this was smart, I never thought the show had any character development but your video makes me realize it did.
@jessicadangerfield1539
@jessicadangerfield1539 Год назад
There’s so much going on at any one time that it’s hard to recognise. I think Elena being both a character and plot device makes it even more convoluted because the show can be described as both plot and character driven simultaneously so detangling the characters’ arcs of development is even more challenging.
@ahmeddamdami5569
@ahmeddamdami5569 2 года назад
There’s also the biggest difference that explains every choice katherine made; she had nobody but herself to help and defend her wera as elena had everybody help her
@elizzzzzzzza
@elizzzzzzzza 4 года назад
This was really cool and made me appreciate the show. Thank you I'm glad I subscribed.
@charlestoti2252
@charlestoti2252 4 года назад
I think Damon was sired to Katherine
@caitlindayman2469
@caitlindayman2469 3 года назад
How so? I don't see any evidence of that. He just loved her.
@ymn5201
@ymn5201 3 года назад
When do you think he because unsired
@caitlindayman2469
@caitlindayman2469 3 года назад
@@danostrom205 that doesn't make you sired.
@caitlindayman2469
@caitlindayman2469 3 года назад
@@danostrom205 all g. In this show it is very rare and means that the person who is sired will literally do anything their sire tells them to. This doesn't happen with Damon and Katherine at all. He is just in love with her at the start.
@caitlindayman2469
@caitlindayman2469 3 года назад
@@danostrom205 yeah, I understand. Just figured I might as well explain what it means in the show since you are watching a video about it
@Sanaa_K_Mohamed
@Sanaa_K_Mohamed 3 года назад
7:20 That never even crossed my mind, but it's true, that did happen, OMG, I honestly had no idea.
@CrazyHermioneGranger
@CrazyHermioneGranger 3 года назад
This is really an amazing video! I really like your point about fearing and accepting death. I think similarly another way to look at it is about Katherine acknowledging her past and letting herself become vulnerable to loss again (in which, they completely messed up in s5 and s8). And comparatively, Elena learning how to move forward and not letting past tragedies imprison her from living her life. It is essentially about both of them finding a balance when it comes to these things otherwise they are stuck in each their different ways. Katherine runs from her problems, Elena becomes suffocated by them.
@MaddieDownes
@MaddieDownes 3 года назад
this is scary how accurate this was
@maxwellmediainc
@maxwellmediainc 4 года назад
Hmm have you watched the originals I’d love video about thier family dynamics
@racheldoesfandom
@racheldoesfandom 4 года назад
I have watched The Originals (am actually currently doing a re-watch) and I will probably do some analysis on the show once I familiarize myself with the characters more. There is so much to unpack when it comes to the Mikaelsons and their effed up family dynamics.
@gregoryschweitzer1735
@gregoryschweitzer1735 3 года назад
@@racheldoesfandom I've always wanted an analysis on the effect the compulsion Elijah did to Aurora, Tristan, and Lucien. I mean I've noticed that these three characters get a lot of hate, more Aurora and Tristan than Lucien. But I always wondered because it's clear Aurora has a mental illness, I believe bipolar disorder, and tons of people hate on her and call her crazy and all that but people seem to forget the hate she and the other two have for the Originals is completely justified, they were forced to think they were someone else for 112 years and became a diversion that Mikael hunted and even after the compulsion broke in 1114, they still had to avoid for a number of following years. And for someone with a mental illness that already existed, that compulsion probably destroyed her and made her mental illness a lot worse. But yeah people due to loving the originals and their characters always seem to overlook the damage the family always left in their wake. They destroyed tons of peoples lives and while I am not saying every person they destroyed was a good person, they still damaged a lot of people. I actually love the originals but I hate when people forget all the terrible things characters do.
@TotsAlways
@TotsAlways 3 года назад
A+++ Wow, as a huge fan of this show you made me realize things that I never could have before. The whole assault of Stephan thing has changed my whole thinking of Stefan and Katherine's relationship! Well done, and thank you for this!
@sweeterplace
@sweeterplace 3 года назад
Nina carried the show on her back !! her acting was exceptionally good *.*
@joeheller7581
@joeheller7581 3 года назад
Both her and Kat Graham did
@sweeterplace
@sweeterplace 3 года назад
@@joeheller7581 well since this video is about nina, my comment is for her. I don’t see kat graham anywhere here.
@joeheller7581
@joeheller7581 3 года назад
@@sweeterplace still
@sweeterplace
@sweeterplace 3 года назад
@@joeheller7581 okay make your own comment then and include her too
@joeheller7581
@joeheller7581 3 года назад
@@sweeterplace someone woke up and chose violence
@anjieeee
@anjieeee 3 года назад
this deserves more views
@jaketheadventurer2772
@jaketheadventurer2772 3 года назад
I bloody agree!
@ledafrost
@ledafrost 3 года назад
This is a great, very insightful analysis. Thank you for taking the time to make this!
@MiguelDracul
@MiguelDracul 4 года назад
I love your channel! It was a really good video to watch, entertaining and also smart and insightful.
@Joanna-Wactor
@Joanna-Wactor 3 года назад
I love how this vid really captures the two characters
@sysavannh
@sysavannh 3 года назад
katherine brought the brothers apart, elena brought them together.
@Valcro
@Valcro 2 года назад
Well yes and no Damon didn't wanna feed when he became a vampire but stefan persuaded and pushed him into it
@BearlyAwake13
@BearlyAwake13 3 года назад
Huge thank you for calling what Katherine did to Stefan what it actually was. Especially seeing the people in the comments realizing that it was in fact rape because of it, it's really great
@castielfever
@castielfever 4 года назад
Elena is Kathrin‘s Shadow..
@superman1208
@superman1208 2 года назад
Katherine is also a shadow. Amara is the original.
@blairolines
@blairolines 3 года назад
This is all 100% spot on.
@artemissunandmoon
@artemissunandmoon 3 года назад
2:12 Let’s agree to disagree on Elena’s intelligence
@Katierenee_10
@Katierenee_10 3 года назад
"I don't know how I feel" girl you know, you just want to keep both around for as long as possible. Couldn't stand elena.
@artemissunandmoon
@artemissunandmoon 3 года назад
@@Katierenee_10 🤧💖
@artemissunandmoon
@artemissunandmoon 3 года назад
@@miao2831 no not really most of the decisions she made that way weren’t exactly smart just not completely stupid? Like plot armor made sure she got out without being harmed for the most part not intelligence. And here’s the thing Katherine’s intelligence was actually shown as being both types it was just easier for the video the show her as the opposite to Elena’s so called “ intelligence “. Like they changed Katherine quite a bit over the seasons and made her less capable over all cuz Julie in charge is just- but when you look at earlier seasons she was generally very quick to catch on.
@artemissunandmoon
@artemissunandmoon 3 года назад
@@miao2831 Those all seem like moments of normal thinking tho? Like shows will make characters make dumb decisions for plot so much that we’re used to it and those just seem like moments of average intelligence. Idk I’d have to rewatch those episodes to judge for sure tho cuz I haven’t acc seen the show in a while. Like giving her the cure was acc kinda stupid u worked so hard to get it and now ur using it to be petty and all “ have a human life Katherine “. Like u could’ve made up some secret info to grab her attention or just been nicer? I remember back when she couldn’t even muster up the humility to give Kath a thank u and was all this doesn’t change how I feel ab u☹️. On Katherine I think that over time she kinda modeled her own mindset to match Klaus who is better w plans but naturally she just sees all the possibilities and is acc better on her feet.
@artemissunandmoon
@artemissunandmoon 3 года назад
@@miao2831 I agree with u in that it could be seen that way. I think that part of why we disagree is the way we measure intelligence tho. Like in normal life ya I’d consider Elena intelligent but for Tvd no.
@Lylyke07
@Lylyke07 3 года назад
I never understood the resentment by Damon toward Stefan. Stefan may manipulated him to complete the transition but it was Damon's choice after all. If he didn't want to live this way he could have ended his own vampire life any time instead of hate and revenge for eternity. After he decided he wants to live this way he should have come to term with his own choice rather than blame Stefan. Another topic I don't understand how Elena could love Damon so suddenly after she turned. The vampire life makes the feelings heightened. She chose Stefan before she died, therefore the ratio should have been the same in her vampire life as well (I just put aside the sire bond thing at the beginning) which means Stefan first Damon second. And she just kept telling that her feelings intensified for Damon, why didn't for Stefan? It's mainly a rhetorical question because it mainly a directing choice rather than character. As a viewer I wasn't really involved and explained why and how fell in love with Damon when it should have been a gradual transition between the two brothers. I also think that Damon brings out Elena's worse side and she always needed security and wanted Damon to be Stefan plus unpredictability. Ergo she always needed Stefan in her life. She was just forcing Damon to do the right things when it wasn't in his vampire nature (as he said he doesn't want to good because they expect it from him after that and he doesn't want to live by anybody expectations). Anyhow I am happy since I know that Julie thought that it was always Stefan and Elena. However, they didn't have time to find her way back to Stefan after Nina left the show. The 40 minutes in the last episode just wouldn't be enough that's why they left things they were at season 6 finale.
@yomnaislam948
@yomnaislam948 3 года назад
I honestly think that they would make such a good friendship, it would be so powerful
@Poosay19
@Poosay19 4 года назад
I love this. Nice work
@MultiTaylorswift1234
@MultiTaylorswift1234 3 года назад
I love your breakdown of Katherine and Elena. Especially in regards to the Salvatores. Please make more videos about TVD.
@borednow5838
@borednow5838 4 года назад
Interesting video. At some point I will get to TVD on my weekly radio show. Think I will reference some of this analysis when I get there.
@bekamignon
@bekamignon 3 года назад
Thank you so much for this video! 🙏🏼 Elena gets so much hate for no reason; this video proofs how important she is in the series.
@emilianazuckerberg5955
@emilianazuckerberg5955 3 года назад
so basically Catherine : slytherin Elena: Gryffindor
@bibhashbhardwas9266
@bibhashbhardwas9266 3 года назад
I really loved this video, u should do one on kai parker
@chelseabartlett8082
@chelseabartlett8082 3 года назад
This is brilliant!
@cheyennerose2177
@cheyennerose2177 3 года назад
love this channel
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 Год назад
O always found it odd that vampires who supposedly have heightened senses, cannot differentiate between the two; Elijah even smells her when he first meets her and says, "Human." so clearly they can tell the difference.
@dreamerluv5172
@dreamerluv5172 3 года назад
“It’s okay to love them both” but she never even loved damon
@lstarsabb
@lstarsabb 3 года назад
Elena did tear them apart and she did jump to the brother that would help with her when a problem came up, but I will say she tried not to come between them that i the difference. But Elena choosing friends isn't exactly selfless she makes those choses out of fear of loosing people. And Kol wasn't a threat to her or her friends she literally talked Jeremy into killing him for the cure for herself.
@superman1208
@superman1208 2 года назад
While yes, she does choose friends out of fear, i understand why. Because of her survivors guilt from her parents accident. No hate, but I disagree on Kol. He’s usually reckless. Plus the Mikaelsons threatened her and her friends more than once. Even though Elena (to me) is overall descent, She’s not entirely selfless nor selfish.
@samsampleman2439
@samsampleman2439 2 года назад
@@superman1208 The Mikaelsons, or rather Klaus, did kill a family member right in front of her (twice if we count that Jenna had to die in order to transition) and he's still redeemable but Elena plots to have Jeremy kill Kol who posed a threat to all her family and she's committed the unforgivable? Make it make sense....btw not a critcism to what you wrote, I fully agree on what you said just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.
@superman1208
@superman1208 2 года назад
@@samsampleman2439 You're good. At first I thought I would get hate for that comment because people love the Mikaelsons so much (including myself).
@smallville068
@smallville068 3 года назад
Love the show and love Elena one of my favorite characters on the show. Liked Katherine as the villain but she had no redeeming qualities and Elena will always be a better person and character than Katherine could ever be. Of course it’s my opinion don’t care if folks agree or not because nobody will ever convince me Katherine was a better person than Elena.
@jessicadangerfield1539
@jessicadangerfield1539 Год назад
Agreed. Even at her worst, most of Elena’s villain era was more or less a recovering people pleaser setting boundaries and recognising the importance of doing things that she wants, that her desires matter and if no one else likes it no one else likes it but she’s done letting her actions be dictated by the opinions and desires of others. Like, we get hints of that in S1-3, but S4 onwards she’s just done with the nonsense, she wants and needs what she does and she done living in denial to survive but that’s about it. This is why I prefer Elena to Katherine and always will, because Elena’s villain era and her at her worst (when she’s not sire bound) is still infinitely better than Katherine at her best.
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 месяца назад
Wish Elena made a grandma joke about Katherine like hey granny u owe me birthday money or something
@natasha8966
@natasha8966 3 года назад
I preferred Katherine then elena as Katherine never apologised for the way she was, while elena pretended to be this this coveted thing that the Salvatore brothers couldn’t let go as she looked identical to Katherine. She became whiny, irritating and this I know better when she did not. She was not self important it was that she looked like someone else that had all this story set in motion. I hated that her and Damon got together it really put me off that everything Damon did he never gotten his comeuppance only that Stefan apologised the way he became a vampire. Stefan for me got the short end of the stick, I do like Caroline but I don’t think they were endgame together. I really loved Katherines whole backstory she was much more interesting then elena could be.
@maxguevara5204
@maxguevara5204 3 года назад
I was actually glad that her and Damon got together. I would have been disappointed if she and Stefan were back together. She and Damon had this connection that she and Stefan not only didn’t have but he made her go outside the box and she brought out the best in him. Stefan did the brooding thing and was an okay guy but he fell for her due to her lookalike appearance, Damon actually fell for her as a person. Just my thoughts tho
@zackgill9671
@zackgill9671 3 года назад
@@maxguevara5204 they fell for her for her looks.
@arnabchatterjee6501
@arnabchatterjee6501 3 года назад
@@zackgill9671 No Stefan and Damon while both did initially get attracted her for her looks, Damon immediately realized she wasn't like Katherine while Stefan tried to compare the two. Damon fell in love with Elena as a person much faster than Stefan did.
@superman1208
@superman1208 2 года назад
I prefer Elena. I didn’t see it as Elena “pretending” to be anything other that how is was before met the boys. Full of life (as others put it). I Don’t understand how she’s “whiny” when all she did was try to survive an cope with the horror that was her new life with the Salvatores. I kind of made sense that her and Damon got together. Not to say they weren’t toxic. They were. But just like how her life was changing, she started to get drawn to the darkness in a sense. To me, it wasn’t “pretending”. It felt like she wasn’t sure what she wanted after so much changed. She could see herself getting darker. Not just by the boys but with a literal dark version of her (Katherine). She had a lot of emotions happening at once. Honestly, this “whiny” part of her is justified. Imagine finding out the supernatural exist, you and loved ones constantly dying and coming back never knowing who’s death is official. Meeting the a literal evil version of yourself who’s usually has the upper hand. Also in a world where most people don’t believe in it so they get away with anything. Honestly if we all were Elena, realistically most of us would end up in a psych ward.
@superman1208
@superman1208 2 года назад
I do agree that the writers shouldn’t done more with Elena giving her more background, but then again that goes to almost every other character (Bonnie, Caroline, Jeremy, Tyler etc).
@miss.sheabug.studios
@miss.sheabug.studios 3 года назад
and people have the AUDACITY to call elena the worst character in TVD
@Sanaa_K_Mohamed
@Sanaa_K_Mohamed 3 года назад
8:08 She did until she slept with his brother and broke his heart.
@FghhjkGhbn
@FghhjkGhbn 3 года назад
Loved ur video essay u deserve much more subscribers
@shernelljoseph4507
@shernelljoseph4507 4 года назад
I love this, do more please
@ShiningLight
@ShiningLight 3 года назад
Nina Dobrev is so perfect
@w.angel17
@w.angel17 3 года назад
i loved this! ur channel is so underrated
@portishphonic
@portishphonic 3 года назад
very interesting analysis.
@user-sr3hi2vu1x
@user-sr3hi2vu1x 3 года назад
how about they go to therapy? all those years and no therapy.....damon and Stephen
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 месяца назад
10:00 although there are moments that imply that Damon brought out elena’s darkness The part where she says she bends her morals for him While Stephan didn’t U left that out
@nic1461
@nic1461 3 года назад
katherine made them vampires but elena made them human
@enzovincent1871
@enzovincent1871 Год назад
Love Elena and Katherine so much ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 месяца назад
Elena without humanity became more like Katherine
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 месяца назад
11:46 technically he wasn’t in control
@wonktonk185
@wonktonk185 3 года назад
I don't watch this show but are we just gonna skip over one of these guys was in the confederacy...
@perispomeno
@perispomeno 3 года назад
Great video!!!
@bitxhcraft
@bitxhcraft 3 года назад
ummm, Katherine didn't compel Stefan or take away his choice, she compelled him to not be scared, and that's a fact because the last time they were together in 1864, when Katherine drunk his blood and passed out, stefan had vervain in his system, so there's no way she could have compelled him, he gave her his blood by choice, she didn't abuse him or rape him, but stefan couldn't accept that because she was a murderous psycho, which is what everyone loves of her.
@jhsbride
@jhsbride 3 года назад
Love it both🤩
@lilybigham5132
@lilybigham5132 3 года назад
Another inverse- SPOILER - Katheirne turned Stefan and Damon into vampires, Elena turned them both human.
@exploravision90000
@exploravision90000 3 года назад
more please :)
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 месяца назад
Elena has more empathy
@itsalexvargas
@itsalexvargas 3 года назад
tea
@dantefields98
@dantefields98 Год назад
Can you do Bonnie?!?!
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 месяца назад
Elena calls Stephan the perfect boyfriend wish they ended up together but oh well
@danilapetrova1178
@danilapetrova1178 3 года назад
Early Stefan is so creepy stalker though...
@Sanaa_K_Mohamed
@Sanaa_K_Mohamed 3 года назад
1:40 At least Katherine owned up to that.
@superman1208
@superman1208 2 года назад
That doesn’t necessarily make the situation better.
@divina1817
@divina1817 3 года назад
I love elena and i like Katherine to but for me is elena>>>>>>katherine
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 месяца назад
Elena is misunderstood
@zendayasfruityfrenchfry1784
@zendayasfruityfrenchfry1784 3 года назад
Team Katherine
@jamshush
@jamshush 3 года назад
Elena isnt that good of a person btw
@123-sz
@123-sz 3 года назад
katherine is a worse of a person tho
@jamshush
@jamshush 3 года назад
@@123-sz Agreed, but she owns it and everyone doesnt act like shes a good person
@123-sz
@123-sz 3 года назад
@@jamshush elena may be self-centered but she would take her life for a loved one if she had to. katherine is just plain selfish. not to mention she sexually assaulted Stefan by compelling him then using him for sexual pleasure. she also destroyed Damon and Stefans connection but on the other hand elena brought it back together
@superman1208
@superman1208 2 года назад
@@jamshush Katherine did own up to being a bad person, but she never owned up as to why.
@superman1208
@superman1208 2 года назад
@@jamshush Except Bonnie, no one is on this show.
@caiomuniz1952
@caiomuniz1952 3 года назад
Talk about caroline Forbes
@stephaniepage4334
@stephaniepage4334 2 года назад
What would nadia be like if she was raise by Katherine would elena still exist?
@Valcro
@Valcro 2 года назад
Depends cause nadia was raised by a random family and she probs had a daughter before she turned so probs yes and no but nadia wouldn't have the same daughter and it would mess up the timeline
@impossible8623
@impossible8623 3 года назад
9:59 which song ?!
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 2 года назад
I really didn't like that elena ended up with damon she definitely should had ended up with stefan to me I really hated that the show broke them up
@Patricia7561
@Patricia7561 2 года назад
Then you haven't understood the story, the characters development, their psycology, what Stefan and Elena premesess for getting together were, etc. basically you haven't understand anything about the show, not even this video...😂
@Sanaa_K_Mohamed
@Sanaa_K_Mohamed 3 года назад
3:51 That's a lie, in my opinion, I personally think Elena is *CENSORED LANGUAGE*
@superman1208
@superman1208 2 года назад
?
@freedaforbearance7272
@freedaforbearance7272 3 года назад
I liked human elena more than vampire elena..
@saige_97
@saige_97 3 года назад
The Vampire Diaries is the best show ever
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