TVD is such an epic show. It's a shame so many people write it off as some Twilightesque garbage. Twilight wishes it was this deep. To be fair though, it did take me the entire first season to get into the show because I approached it the same way. Welcome to the family.
this is why i feel that legacies is a letdown. The world-building was done so nicely and they threw it aside for lame monster of the week storyline. Wasted potential
@@ursimplegirl6220 it is literally a spin-off show, but even if I consider your point, the last episode was a musical that basically showed what happened in TVD. The only episodes that I really liked were when kai/jo/Freya were around. They are trying to milk the franchise for what it's worth .
@@ursimplegirl6220 which I would love to watch if hope's storyline was more than Landon, Lizzie her 'brain chemistry' and Josie being afraid of her 'dark' side.
@@ursimplegirl6220 it literally is a spin off of TVD and OG. We meet Hope in the OG, while we meet the twins in TVD. Not to mention Alaric who has been one of the main characters in TVD. It is literally the same universe.
My main qualm is with how they glossed over the shitty things certain vampires did in order to make them 'good' guys and get people to root for them and stuff. Damon literally rapes Caroline, never even apologises and goes on to be one of the main romantic interests for her BEST FRIEND! The entire group of originals got their own spin off because they're 'hawt' despite the shit they put Stefano through.
The originals continued to show how awful they all were, although giving them more depth and allowing for us to be more understanding of them as characters the OG's existence doesnt negate its value. However, i completely agree with your issue with daman. i hated caroline at the time(i grew to love her quickly esp after her turn and even more so post tyler) and even i could see how blatantly awful and unfair to her that whole storyline was. she was literally raped and then lost everything she knew to be true changing her entire life for the worse at least temporarily. and its barely touched on and only in her own plotlines, damon never once having to deal with it. while damon ended as a fan favorite(and even i love him) this needed to be dealt with and it taints him as a character so deeply. like at least with klaus hes ALWAYS dealing with the consequences to his actions, and even when he redeems himself he still has to be punished for his previous dealings. damon cannot say the same
I lost interest in TVD around the time Nina left the show and grew to love The Originals much more. It weirdly felt like a more mature one, but it really lost its way by the end, unfortunately. Even though I roughly know what happened in the finale, I still haven't watched second half of the final season and probably never will. It pains me to know how much was sacrificed just to make a spin-off of a spin-off. 😢
Season 7 of TVD i think is really bad, hard for me to go through it. All characters lost character. But somehow season 8 was lovely. Damon got his old sense of humor back, Bonnie was so sassy again... It was a nice way to end it. I agree the originals feels more mature, it's more dark.
@@karolinapupi19977 I absolutelly disagree season 7 is one of my favorite season is the brother seasons, it's crutial to undertsatnd the familty dynamic, the brothers childhood, their bond, their traumas, you cannot understand the show without season 7 and they step up in acting, cinematografy, plot, characterization, everything is top noch. The originals are not more mature, if it doesn't have teen, doesn't mean that is more mature. The Originals plot is more plain straight forward, you watch it once and there isn't anything to undestand, you are done. TVD you can watch it many times and there is always something you didn't get it te time before, the structure is so complex that I cannot think pf any other show so complex, so layered. The battle you get on TVD you don't get on TO. Why Because kids don't get it, cannot get it and their lack of understanding lead them to grossly misinterpreted what is going on, what are the characters dynamics, not having the maturity and therefore the tools to decifer it. TO is more basic, you just sit, watch, enjoy it, and that's it, no need to understand anything.
@@Patricia7561 Ok I get your point but I feel their history has been explained so much already we already understood their childhood really well. The backflashes were nice as they always are but were not that deep. For me it was the most boring season and all the main characters didn't act like themselves, or started drama over nothing, ignoring all their past history. Plot was just plain boring in my opinion. All characters also lost their sense of humor, Damon used to have the best jokes and one liners and that was completely forgotten about throughout season 7. Thats why i perfer 8 by a milestone because they gave Damon a bit of his personality back. About TO, I never said they are more mature because they arent teens, Devina is a teen for example. Klaus is just very interesting and focusing on him and his past makes TO really deep. Also, the events are way more brutal like the witches trying to kill off a newborn baby. We all have different opinions I guess.
@@karolinapupi19977 agree to desagree you cannot understand the characters in full, without season 7, the mother story line and the two brothers childhood, when we discover Damon was abused as child, the heretics, Stefan's first love, and missed chance of fatherhood, Stefan having to run, Reina, Mistic falls going to crap, Caroline having Alaric's babies, Enzo and Bonnie, the war time for Damon, episode 10 and 17 are television masterpieces, Damon searching purpose in his life..boring? So much stuff happens in season 7 for everybody that I don't think you remember it well.
You are on point about the characters, world building, and the relationships being organic. The show was very well done. Can you make videos analyzing Caroline and Bonnie? They are such underrated female characters and had strong character development, more so than Elena even though she was the protagonist. After that video on Prue Halliwell, it would be great if you did more videos on underrated female characters like Caroline Forbes, Claire Bennet, etc.
I really loved Bonnie, she was so underrated. Also if we're talking underrated female characters, we can't leave out Paige McCullers from Pretty Little Liars. She was such a sweetheart and she deserved so much better.
Paige is one of the only decent people in that crummy show. She's miles ahead all three other main romantic interests, and she was way more graceful and kind than she needed to be at times. If you're hung up on the few mistakes she made then you must really hate every other character. Or did you forget that (spoilers ahead) Ezra preyed on Aria, Toby sold them all out for some info on his mommy, Aria sold everybody out and joined the A team, Caleb betrayed Hanna and was working with Jenna and spying on her while living in Hanna's home and popping her cherry, Alison blinded Jenna and then blackmailed bother her and her rape victim into covering for her, and that is just the tip of the Alison-being-shitty iceberg. Paige may have acted out a bit but the worst things she did not only fail to even compete with some of the stuff every other character has pulled but she's also one of the only people to really show genuine remorse and grow from their mistakes and not repeat them. Spencer keeps accusing people of being A to their face long after she invites Ian into a murderous rage that nearly ends up killing her. Emily keeps putting her trust in the wrong people and trying to save everyone despite the personal toll on her life, Hanna keeps using Lucas whenever it is convenient and drops him whenever Caleb runs back to her, despite knowing Lucas likes her romantically and ALL the liars were complicit in Alison's crimes and bullying. Putting all those things into perspective, Paige was far from the worst. Alison and Ezra were it, Paige was not.
For its many faults and plot holes, it was solid entertainment. I loved the series and even started reading the books because of it (which are also pretty damn good, although very different in some ways lol). This is probably one of the best videos I’ve seen on it, you hit the mark 100%. I love the rural gothic settings in the show, and that they actually have lore and flashbacks for all the characters, unlike other shows that just explain the plot through dialogue. Although it sometimes feels frustrating in the moment when characters do certain things, their motives are always explained later on and their characters just feel genuine. Like you said, it’s a complete emotional roller coaster. I often call it a ‘guilty pleasure’ when people ask what I’m watching or something because of the negative connotation around teen shows like this, but I just genuinely enjoy it, probably because I’m the target demographic but still.. I get why people assume it’s bad, cause I did too before I got into it, but I wish people weren’t so judgy you know?
One more thing -- I can't say TVD is "emotional" rather than "plot-driven." It's both. The fast and clever plotting is one of its greatest strengths. It also respects the emotions of its characters, and drives the story forward with decisions that are always in-character.
I was like you prejudiced against a show with this title. Then one day I gave it a chance and I was blown away by it's complexity, intelligence, enjoyability, and beauty.
I remember when my friend told me about TVD, I thought it was absolutely ridiculous. When she made me watch it for the first time which I swore I never would because I thought it was cheesy. I was hooked within the first couple of episodes. Most people hate on the show, not for valid reasons but they hate on it because they think it's a show for teenage girls about vampires. And to some extent it is but it can be more than that as well. It's a great show and I love the way the relationships are, the aesthetic, and even some of the plot, TVD also has its flaws like how they kill off characters so many times and bring them back or the lack of diversity. Overall TVD isn't a bad show nor is it the best. It's not like Twilight or Riverdale. It's their own thing by itself and like I said I wish people would stop judging it before watching it it's like not wanting to try the food because you think it's bad but you have no idea because it could be your favorite food in the future. (hope this made sense English is not my first language)
My boyfriend thought TVD would be Twilightesque but I made him watch it and now he has watched TVD, TO and Legacies and is rewatching TVD and TO again. He is obsessed!
Yes yes YES. I also disparaged this show and assumed it would be awful for a long time before finally watching it for the first time a few months ago, and I absolutely LOVED it. There are issues with it, of course, but these aspects you laid out are the biggest reasons that I love the show ultimately. The relationships, the emotionality, the BEST use of a love triangle that I have ever seen (and you did such a great job of explaining why it's so good!), and the fact that the show was so intelligent in so many ways -- it all just comes together to make such an emotionally impactful story, and I love it so much now. Thank you for laying all of this out, it was incredibly satisfying to watch.
I didn’t start watching till season 2. I talked a lot of crap because I was a die hard Buffy fan. However, the Vampire Diaries has it’s own special place in my heart!
This just convinced me to watch the show past season one! I'm kinda shocked. I can admit I had a reaction to he show much like your own and didn't make it past season one. Thanks so much!
Don't apologize I was a huge Twilight fan and I'm very sorry that I ever said that Tvd was just a bad knockoff of Twilight. I refused to watch it but then one of my friends almost forced me. Then I got hooked and now I have rewatched it too many times and I am too obsessed. Like everything you said about the love triangle and relationships in it are on point. Actually everything you said was on point 😊 And now I am very ashamed of myself ever to think TVD was badder than TW 😅
2:33 Yeah, One's an unhealthy relationship between a guy who's trying to get over his ex by dating a girl who literally looks like her and a girl who's struggling with him being gone by getting hit on by his creepy brother and the other is an unhealthy relationship between a Vampire girl forcibly linked to her boyfriend who is constantly trapped in the longest game of redemption peekaboo ever.
@@Patricia7561 yeah I felt that way while I was watching but once I finished I ultimately decided the show was trash... any show that mistreats the only black character and makes her suffer endlessly is not good...there is no 'aside from that' for me
@@Patricia7561 SOMETHING CANNOT BE REASLLY GOOD IF THEIR ARE ELEMENTS OF BLANTANT RACISM the creator herself wanted to kill bonnie off because she was black -
Ah! The Vampire Diaries which then had a spin off called The Originals. I remember watching the first eps. and liking it but then I never watched it again. LOL! Similar to Arrow.
Glad you enjoyed it, for me the first 3 maybe 4 seasons are the best with the later half having lots of good episodes and moments but as a whole never really as good as the first half of the show, kind of like what happened to charmed although not as badly, in my opinion charmed degraded much harder in the later seasons then TVD also as a fan of Buffy I couldn’t help but notice how a lot of the characters are spiritual predecessors to the ones from Buffy, there’s Bonnie the witch best friend like willow though other then that they aren’t very similar, Matt who like Xander stays human the entire show and has a hard home life, Katherine was kind of like darla both even becoming human again, Stephen obviously the angel of the show, then there’s Damon the spike, Alaric is kind of like Giles I guess that role isn’t as clearly filled, then Caroline who started off like Cordelia vain, shallow kind of a mean girl but became a better friend and person much faster then Cordelia did though, honestly there are so many similar characters but I don’t think this makes the show derivative. TVD did enough to create a unique lore and story (for me at least)to overlook the similarities.
while they arent perfect matches it goes to show HOW much of an amazingly deep impact buffy had. i love these shows and this genre so much, id love to see a show from beginning to end that is amazing rather than starting off strong and wasting away.
Girl I get you. When I started I basically hid it from a friend who I used to make fun of it with until I accepted it was an actually great show and then I couldn't stop talking about it.
The best part of the series is the plot. It is SO WELL DONE. There are no weird filler episodes. There were even Buffy episodes (one of the most amazing shows in television history) that had odd filler episodes with the big bad having nothing to do but sit back and watch what’s happening. Everything happens with a meaning in TVD. It was great. I stopped watching after season 5 or something though so I’m not sure about the ending seasons.
You have to watch season six! It’s one of the best in the show! Season five is one of the worst so I get why you would stop after them and even the last two seasons aren’t very good but season six is AMAZING.
There is so much world building and character development because they are based on books so there so much to pull off. Still after twilight hate love triangles and wasn’t a big fan of Damon from the beginning. The books are really good as well, you should read them.
10:57 One of the main characters has hurt every single other main character simply because he was feeling sad, hurt every other character in very beyond the pail ways.
I only know The Vampire Diaries through the original quartet written by L.J. Smith in the early 1990s (and then the later books written by her before ghostwriters took over), so all the fandom wank/discourse surrounding the show is absolutely wild to me. As a result, I view the show as televised fanfic, especially since it deviates from the actual books very quickly and does its own thing. Not to mention the whole Originals and Legacies spin-offs have very little to no basis in the books, and Legacies itself is primarily made up of show!verse characters only.
Can you do one for the originals spin off series ? If u haven’t pls give it a try. I usually don’t care for spin offs but this one managed to be fresh and entertaining on its own way!
7:22 Yeah but those kinds of vampires you're supposed to want to see get the stake, these vampires you're supposed to root for but they're monsters, simply put.
Apology accepted! Excellent vid. People hate on TVD because they hate teenage girls. Meanwhile, a show like The Expanse, which has high production values but thoroughly mediocre storytelling, is given godlike status because it appeals to men. Also: everyone enjoys love triangles; y'all are just too cowardly to admit it. :-)
im tired of love triangles but i fuckin love em. a good love triangle can really pull me in. i would say tvd has one of the best for the reasons stated in this video. generally i hate love triangles because they are overdone and done sooo poorly. but damn you see two hot men both into the girl you can relate to and BAM im watching at least a full season.
When i watched first episode i wanted to smash tv, but first episodes offen suck, so i watched further and there is some good stuff. Bonnie is great, would love to see video about her.
I really like this show, but I don't think I could ever get into the show bc of the blatent racism. (ex. with Bonnie's characterisation and her being used as an accessory) Also the poor LGBT characters don't help, sorry but the clear mistreatment is just so hard to ignore and makes me so sad.. :'(
@@Hi-eq7ql Absolutelly not. The fact that TVD has teenager in the story doesn't meen that is for teenagers, and if you said so you haven't understand the show. The complexity of the characters, the emotions displayed, the psycological issues mentioned, depression, codependency, suvivour guilt, PTSD, child abuse, etc. are not in reach of teenagers knowledge, they might experience some of it and feel a connection but there is so much going on in the series that only adults that live a little can decipher and appreciate to the full extent. That is why you can watch TVD many times and you can always find many things that escaped you.TO, which I love too, is much less complex, more straight forward, it needs only one time to watch, you get it and then you are done with it.
I think she was mostly talking about the blood and aesthetic in terms of other teen/young adult shows or movies that people may associate with the TVD more, like other CW shows and ABC Family shows. True Blood was on HBO, where we pretty much see the characters naked all the time and, yes, lots of blood. At the part of the video when she talks about the amount of blood True Blood immediately came to mind for me (since she didn't mention it and had already mentioned The Vampire Chronicles).
The first 3 seasons of TVD are great. It’s all downhill after elena becomes a vampire and the writers start pandering to the delena fans. I will say this though: the creation of the originals is the best vampire origin story I’ve ever seen. And it led to the vastly superior show Originals
I so love the vampire diaries will you ever do a ranking of your favorite season's and have you ever watched a tv show called moonlight it came out in 2008 it lasted one season ❤🧡🥰😍😊😃
I have seen the show up until season 8, trust me there are a lot of shows where the internet just wrote off as awful without watching it, (True Blood, Supernatural, Once Upon A Time,) The Vampire Diaries is not one of those shows, it's not Riverdale level of writing it's so much worse, Riverdale is corny, Vampire Diaries is harmful, Vampire Diaries holds the record for worst redemption I've ever seen in fiction, (and trust me I've seen a nazi pony get told the only thing you need to be good is a warm hug,) and It seems to base it's premice on the idea of if you love a guy with all your heart, tween girls, he will no longer be an abusive monster, except as recent studies have shown it does not end happily ever after, the way you both meet on the "Cross roads," is when your partner beats you to death and receives the death penalty.
11:12 Sometimes by our heroes, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sCg1nRSU8kk.html and in case you try to say well he was possessed, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p3DeAfE-YsQ.html
@@juanitacolette5766 I mean most popular shows are truly overhyped. That's the problem with most popular media and why it ends up going for way past it's prime and having mediocre endings. I think it's a really enjoyable show but I wouldn't put it in my top 10 or 50. I doubt it would end up on my top 100 if I really made a list. But i think it's a fun show and has really lovable story lines characters and the setting is something out of my dreams. I adore the vampire aesthetics as a whole and anything that taps into mystery and the macabre but shows the opposite with love and growth is something I'll likely enjoy. Im not a huge fan of YA as a whole though so aspects of it were really grating so I completely get why someone wouldn't enjoy it at all. I'd say that most people over hype or over hate this show, as with most popular media especially with women and girls as the main fanbase. but not enjoying it is perfectly normal and a lot of people just don't click with it.
How much of the show did you watch? If you watched more than the first 4 seasons, I totally get how you're feeling. I stopped watching after season 4 and knowing how the characters ended up in the finales of both TVD of TO, I feel like it was stupid of me to ever get invested in that universe >.< I'd also understand you if you just didn't like vampires ^^'
@@karolinapupi19977 shows from over 20 years ago are still talked about and watched today, some good, some bad. The Vampire Diaries only finished a few years ago. It would be just strange if it was not still watched - especially considering it’s on Netflix, so your point has no merit.
The show sucked. Season one was amazing, then it got progressively worse with each new season. It had so much potential. It could have been one of the best shows if the original writer had stayed after Season One.
Push through the 1st season. You won't regret it. Season 1 is a little high school drama based but towards the end it quickly gets out of that & gets really intense, twisted & dark. It's NOTHING like fucking Twilight.
