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Elite's Square, Justo 2, and Avanti: Eurobike Hands-On! 

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Here's your first look at the Elite Square smart bike, Elite Justo 2 and Elite Avanti smart trainers. I dive into the specs, how they differ from both years past, as well as the Zwift Ride, and plenty more! Don't miss out on all the Eurobike tech!
#EliteSquare #EliteAvanti #EliteJusto2 #Eurobike

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@willbert7715
@willbert7715 20 дней назад
imho the first "smart bike" thats a thing. the belt drive is massive. no more noise, no more dirt, no chain cleaning for a static home ride bike and the adjustability is everything you need and as simple as possible. the idea to have a belt drive cassette is absolutely massive.
@Maxwaehrens
@Maxwaehrens 20 дней назад
Also no more chain lube drying out when the hometrainer is setup in your ambient temperature room/livingroom!
@ZRaceCentral
@ZRaceCentral 20 дней назад
Agreed
@BrentNeal1979
@BrentNeal1979 20 дней назад
Zwift not offering a belt drive version for their Hub and Ride was a massive miss, and I could not be happier to see Elite do the logical step by adding it. Awesome news.
@kennethdarlington
@kennethdarlington 20 дней назад
But considering thethat with the Trainer unit it is not more affordable then Wahoo Bike Ride, for example. Which is one unit belt drive smart bike
@ZRaceCentral
@ZRaceCentral 20 дней назад
@@kennethdarlington it will likely come out to be 500 less than the kickr bike shift
@wandatowellable
@wandatowellable 20 дней назад
God damn it Ray, I was just about to head to work.
@sascha1778
@sascha1778 20 дней назад
Welcome back to Frankfurt. Great to have you back in town and thanks for the great coverage 😊
@Dcrainmaker
@Dcrainmaker 20 дней назад
I needed more sausage and pretzels in my life. :)
@paolomorandi8618
@paolomorandi8618 20 дней назад
Great video Ray, thanks!
@oatmonster
@oatmonster 20 дней назад
The square looks like it has a lot of the features that the Zwift Ride shoulda shipped with (belt drive, riser, adjustable cranks). But man is it ugly AF, looks more like a prototype than a finished product
@adamweb
@adamweb 20 дней назад
I’m waiting for The Elite Octagon
@nerooweb
@nerooweb 14 дней назад
@@adamweb i just googled it and now i feel super stupid
@SpuddyIRL
@SpuddyIRL День назад
@@nerooweb why do you feel stupid ??
@jefffarmer9200
@jefffarmer9200 20 дней назад
The Justo and Avanti are giving me home projector vibes with that design! Love the belt drive on the Square.
@pghampton
@pghampton 20 дней назад
That's the first smart bike I've seen that appears to be better all round for indoors than my Kickr+Climb+road bike setup.
@mctrials23
@mctrials23 20 дней назад
Its fantastically ugly though.
@pghampton
@pghampton 20 дней назад
@@mctrials23 Its erm, functional!
@fabianmolyneux2308
@fabianmolyneux2308 19 дней назад
Agree
@cyclewise6926
@cyclewise6926 7 дней назад
Peering into my crystal ball, I am seeing an Avanti coming into my life next winter
@klewis2048
@klewis2048 20 дней назад
"more sports tech stuff in about 1 hour from now" 🤣 the belt drive on this frame thing is probably the most interesting thing about it.
@cbenson513
@cbenson513 20 дней назад
As a new ZRide owner there's two features here I'd like, the Garmin mount and adjustable crank length, and one I'd love (belt drive). It doesn't compete directly with the ZRide given the price. I do really like that the "smart" part of the ZRide is essentially just the bar controller/levers, so it should be easy to replace (and potentially upgrade). Great to see more competition and innovation with smart bikes!
@fabianmolyneux2308
@fabianmolyneux2308 19 дней назад
The Elite Square has got my interest. Really keen to see and hear your review. It certainly looks a better option than the Zwift bike . However, it all hangs on price and what you get. Thanks
@evanshaw17
@evanshaw17 20 дней назад
Very cool. I’m interested
@kevinm7219
@kevinm7219 19 дней назад
The Zwift Ride intrigued me, but fell flat on many things I would want. This I might get a Gen 1 of this though. Looking forward to you doing a full hands on review of it after testing it out. They need to send you one asap.
@_xnk7257
@_xnk7257 20 дней назад
this looks like a more complete solution than the Zwift / Caveworks. Belt drive is a great idea
@SonnyDarvishzadeh
@SonnyDarvishzadeh 20 дней назад
Belt choice is smart since quite a good chunk of noise is from chain-based drivetrain.
@Briehaze
@Briehaze 20 дней назад
I have the directo XR and it says to unplug it after use which is whatever and I do it lol but the cable that goes into the port is not grabbable on the thickened section, you have to yank it by the cord. I hope you’re able to grab it now with the avanti.
@frankhugh2052
@frankhugh2052 20 дней назад
Head of R&D for the Zwift Ride is having a rough day today
@kjwalpole
@kjwalpole 19 дней назад
For smart trainer with a virtual flywheel e.g. Neo 2T, will the frame's virtual shifting send a small torque interrupt to emulated real shifting?
@Dexxyh
@Dexxyh 18 дней назад
I'm confused, it's supposed to shift virtually in any app right? How does that work?
@thisstuschannel
@thisstuschannel 20 дней назад
Is Shane playing cameraman again? Can the belt drive work with non Zwift programs?
@Gufolicious
@Gufolicious 20 дней назад
I dont know what drugs you are taking mate but your question is as stupid as it gets.
@Dcrainmaker
@Dcrainmaker 20 дней назад
He was indeed. So much better/easier/faster!!! And yes, it's totally app-neutral.
@bram2254
@bram2254 20 дней назад
That’s a big plus 🙏
@marcomarini6692
@marcomarini6692 19 дней назад
The square seems like the perfect bike for a bike fitter, so much adjustability, it’s only missing adjustable handlebars
@GoustiFruit
@GoustiFruit 20 дней назад
I wonder if I could get a discount if I switch from my Direto XR to the Elite Square with a Justo or Avanti !? 🤔
@GregJC
@GregJC 20 дней назад
This one wins easily in functionality but the Zwift Ride definitely wins on looks
@elleffeff
@elleffeff 20 дней назад
Disagree. Italian design almost always wins. The square rules the smart bike scene.
@mmcewen9789
@mmcewen9789 19 дней назад
Do Elite's trainer segment and Garmin's Forerunner segment share a marketing manager? They both just keep adding SKUs and models to the range...
@BikeriderFIN
@BikeriderFIN 16 дней назад
Does that handlebar on Square bike turn or is it fixed as on all other smart bikes?
@AlexandreCosta82
@AlexandreCosta82 20 дней назад
Any news about Elite trainers supporting the Zwift cog (and Zwift Ride)?
@elitecycling
@elitecycling 20 дней назад
WIP ;-)
@AlexandreCosta82
@AlexandreCosta82 20 дней назад
@@elitecycling don't forget "older" trainers, like the Suito.
@gregnichols2140
@gregnichols2140 11 дней назад
Can you adjust the stem length?
@Eirikkinserdal
@Eirikkinserdal 20 дней назад
That looks like a 90s lab bike 😂
@__marshie
@__marshie 20 дней назад
Do the levers brake the fly wheel and does it support zwift steering and in game controls?
@elitecycling
@elitecycling 18 дней назад
Brake levers: They brake the trainer for a few seconds. Navigation keys: It all depends on what Zwift wants to do. At the moment they are not implemented, so you can't steer or interact with the software. - Steering. Implementation be easy since we used the same protocol of Sterzo Smart but Zwift does not recognise Square as a steering device. So Zwift would just have to update the Square to the list of steering devices like Steering and Rizer - Various keys. Zwift's protocol would be needed, but it is not known if or when it will be released.
@0Regie
@0Regie 20 дней назад
Hey DC Rainmaker! I'm sorry if this off topic, but can you give us runners guidance on a treadmill? There are so many out there and everyone says to look for a commerical one, but I'm hoping that is not the case because they're insanely expensive. Since you do a lot of fitness tech, I figured this might be up your alley. Is there a reliable treadmill out there for your typical runner that isn't monstrously expensive?
@Dcrainmaker
@Dcrainmaker 20 дней назад
Honestly, I'm totally happy with my Peloton Tread (base model), and I'd guess most say I'm a more advanced runner. That's often on sale.
@thomasblak5315
@thomasblak5315 20 дней назад
Smart bikes are certainly moving in the right direction rather than the monster sized ones we have now.
@Yamaha_Bolt
@Yamaha_Bolt 20 дней назад
I get the trainer if it can simulate downhill. I need this to race against myself when riding an outdoor activity on my Garmin.
@fringelunatic
@fringelunatic 17 дней назад
If the saddle can slide fore and aft it will throw off the geometry if too tall or short. Either it will become a pedal forward bike or the saddle maybe ahead of the cranks.
@SpuddyIRL
@SpuddyIRL День назад
Will the belt be easily replaced
@reflectionsdetail
@reflectionsdetail 20 дней назад
As an Apple TV user I'm hopeful this will play well with this. Bummer it's being released near NOV, most North Americans start indoors right at that time.
@diver_1979
@diver_1979 20 дней назад
Stages were way ahead of time with the SB20 looking at this. I think this is the natural successor if you need to get something if your SB20 breaks
@decoherence926
@decoherence926 20 дней назад
True. Mine is still working and praying I get a couple of years more out of it.
@Mamilian
@Mamilian 20 дней назад
Does no one at Zwift or Elite ride the trainer for more than 60 min in a go? Those seatposts are barbaric! :D Would also be nice if they had better options for mounting bottle cages on the frames.
@Squizzy05
@Squizzy05 20 дней назад
Do these work with My Whoosh in the same way ? Virtual shifting that is
@elitecycling
@elitecycling 20 дней назад
yes, it does. Virtual shifting is managed by the frame itself which controls the trainer resistance. It works finely with all the indoor training apps
@Squizzy05
@Squizzy05 20 дней назад
@@elitecycling thanks.
@ryoukokonpaku1575
@ryoukokonpaku1575 15 дней назад
@@elitecycling Now this is a big feature over the zwift cog. It's app agnostic and is a feature that's actually built into the trainer itself, not something that an app needs to implement.
@dormilon36
@dormilon36 17 дней назад
Handlebar depth?
@bylucien
@bylucien 20 дней назад
It is so unapologetically ugly, I love it.
@_J.F_
@_J.F_ 20 дней назад
There is so much to chose from today that it can be really hard to figure out what meets your requirements and your budget the best. I suppose the best value for money would still be to get a Wahoo KICKR CORE Zwift One and then, if you do not want to use your regular road bike, then get a cheap second hand road bike and use it permanently with the Zwift One.
@brettneale
@brettneale 20 дней назад
Hopefully this also means virtual shifting is coming to older Elite trainers! (one can dream!)
@derekbroussard
@derekbroussard 20 дней назад
This would look good if the front fork didn't connect to anything.. just floated like the wahoo bike. It looks horrible with front fork stand..... but, the belt drive and some of the additional features is pretty slick!
@rideon1976
@rideon1976 19 дней назад
i still dont understand how it can work with any other trainer out there with virtual gearing, not only ERG Ray... Does it really work with any trainer?
@Dcrainmaker
@Dcrainmaker 19 дней назад
Yes, it attaches basically like an 11sp cassette, so no different than swapping a casette on other trainers. And then on virtual shifting, they handle it via ANT+ FE-C (which every trainer supports), just like smart bikes do.
@barteksadaj4579
@barteksadaj4579 20 дней назад
It looks like it was welded together the night before.
@Gufolicious
@Gufolicious 20 дней назад
This is exactly what i want. Finally time to ditch the kickr bike
@Xhadp
@Xhadp 20 дней назад
Miles better than the Zwift one due to adjustable crank length and riser compatibility
@zikaperic2133
@zikaperic2133 16 дней назад
Square looks like a student project
@ashishrajoba135
@ashishrajoba135 20 дней назад
Third comment here 🎉. Got the podium….
@Papa-Bogey
@Papa-Bogey 20 дней назад
“Like, comment, subscribe…”
@shanegreen2583
@shanegreen2583 20 дней назад
That square bike looks hideous 😂
@Simon-ry6vx
@Simon-ry6vx 20 дней назад
Square looks like the opposite of stiff.
@_kowono
@_kowono 20 дней назад
Surely there's a market for a really simple "frame" that can sit on a smart trainer without all the features that these have. I just cannot justify spending this kind of money. But I've considered buying a cheap frame just for my trainer. I just don't believe people only want super expensive gear. Everyone wonders why these companies are struggling, well maybe they should stop chasing the biggest margins, focusing on the same wealthy individuals that their rivals are already catering for.
@pierrex3226
@pierrex3226 20 дней назад
I'm not sure they could have made it uglier if they tried. It would bother me to have that atrocity in my living room, especially in a day and age of pretty bikes with full cable integration and vanity everything.
@TheMirrorVision
@TheMirrorVision 20 дней назад
I like the adjustability and belt drive! However, the design is hideous.
@LastLamplighter
@LastLamplighter 20 дней назад
I thought the Kickr bike was ugly. This square is spectacularly ugly. I've got a Wattbike Atom 2, which is really pretty, but actually quite bad 😅
@gawa62
@gawa62 20 дней назад
Ahh Elite.Who dont bother with you once youre unit is out of warranty.
@SonnyDarvishzadeh
@SonnyDarvishzadeh 20 дней назад
What other brands bother with you once your unit is out of warrant?
@gawa62
@gawa62 20 дней назад
Just them.My first trainer was Wahoo and had some issues past my warranty and was very helpful.Ended up selling the unit as i wasnt using it as much.I brought the Drivo unit and after a couple of years use it was very noisy.I did email Elite on numerous occasions but didnt get a response back.Ive got a Jetblack now. 👍
@fabio_mussi
@fabio_mussi 20 дней назад
@@gawa62 I use elite trainers since 2016. Never had an issue with the support even if i was out of warranty and even when it was my fault
@gawa62
@gawa62 20 дней назад
@@fabio_mussi sadly didn't work for me .👍
@Lvbutech
@Lvbutech 20 дней назад
Hi, go Check Hall 8.0-O15
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