Something to mention, Ems bars connect from themes and transitions. The fire, sparks, ignite, hot metal, roasting, Marsh (Marshall) is not mellow , all connected to heat. A lot of people say just like yall he spitting fast, but it always connects to a previous bar and sets up the next, while keeping cadence and flow, and giving a whole verse that's a bar lol. But Wayne got metaphors for years, most his bars are simple but deep. Ems usually require a bit more analysis
Em’s skill is being a genius with complication. Wayne’s skill is being a genius with simplicity. Personally i feel like they are both GOATs in their own lane and this is just an unstoppable force meeting the immovable object
I'm huge Eminem fan but Wayne won this one but Eminem won in their other songs also Eminem won when collaped with Jay z. for me all three of them are goats new gen is good but its all about money and making hits. Compared to these 3 who where creating rap we have today is joke
Em and Wayne are Yin and Yang. Wayne's genius is bars in simplicity capped with clever analogies, whereas Em's genius is complicated schemes and wordplay, littered with double and triple entendres. It all comes down to preference, but also, I think it's why they compliment each other so well. It's all in the way they balance each other out. They're both master's of their own styles. But I'd listen to them together any day...
This was really Important song for Eminem Becouse He almost died beforw this song . he did this after Rehab . That s why he start his verse . " Im alive again more alive
@@gotredboxes Wtf Im Stan from Begining I remember this time , . Sources ? xd. He took drugs and he collapse in the bathroom. Eminem Did interview about this
One of the main reasons Waynes bars hit so hard was because of his speed, he was basically spoon feeding us. We saw it coming and every bar hit. Also there was double entendres in probably every bar. Ems flow makes his verse even harder. Ems verse was also alot more personal and to the theme of the song
@@blakan1478 true but em don’t like doing that all the time he said himself in an interview he likes to change it up depending on what he’s in the mood for .. sometimes he makes them easy sometimes he likes to do the corny shit on purpose and other times he likes to just go over peoples Heads
@@blakan1478 you can’t speak for every artist. Every artist is different, some like having Easter eggs that only their core fans can catch and some like being abstract to where it takes several listens to understand the overall message/meaning. Some like being simple and easy to understand. There’s no right way to do it. If that were the case then in art abstract artists would be “wrong” because they do their art form in a way that’s extremely complex and left up for interpretation for the viewer.
This song actually helped me through my recovery! Kept me going, helped me stay clean. When all the doubters where throwing hate my way. This song saved my life kept me strong🙏
I don’t care who won, I just appreciate these two legends made this amazing song. Bars and flow are through the roof. I miss the old Wayne, Carter 3 my favorite album
Wayne went for punchlines on this Em went for straight emotion and flow with a couple of nice bars in there. I prefer Ems verse because I knew his journey since being a kid and knowing that he came back from near death and was writing this during his comeback I could just feel the emotion on another level. They both killed this track in different ways which is why it's one of my favourites.
@@tbtnr9851imo em had more filler bars while for me each Wayne line hit. Em was more for schemes and complexity as well as fast flow, Wayne was about creativity, simple yet deep and punchlines
Facts 100. I caught more bars in ‘Em song then those guys did because you have to also listen to the way he triple and double entendre into a bar or bars follow up by a bar.
You definitely need to listen to more Wayne. This was nothing… Also, Em’s bars weren’t that complex, he just had larger rhyme schemes. Wayne’s punchlines were more unique. Best bar, in my opinion, was: “All about my dough, but I don’t even check the peephole / So you can keep knocking but won’t knock me down” Dough = money, but sounds like “do’,” which is slang for “door,” and is a homophone. “Peephole” sounds like “people,” which is another homophone. Then he ties that in with the “so you can keep knocking, but won’t knock me down.” By the way, Eminem started using homophones heavily since 2015, and it’s Em’s most used literary device and has been since. Listen to Em’s last 3 albums, and you’ll find them literally EVERYWHERE. Edit: Oh, and I forgot. Little Richard has a song called “Keep-a-Knockin’,” a song about a a lover who he won’t let back in because of bad behavior. So the bar is a metaphor for how Hip-Hop has treated him. And “peephole,” which sounds like “people,” may be Wayne saying he’s all about the Benjamin’s and doesn’t care who he does business with.
Because Em kinda forces featuring artists to dig deep and bring their best when collaborating on a record, you end up with situations like this where Wayne, who you already love, spits a verse that goes above and beyond what you typically hear from him, making what is already an "A" rapper deliver an "A+" performance. But, on the other hand, because Eminem gives you an "A+" verse *EVERY SINGLE TIME* there's really no way to make the listener hear his verse as something truly special or unique... In effect, this leaves you feeling that Em did what Em does, whereas Weezy, on the other hand, did something extra-ordinary. In a way, it's like Eminem is so good, on such a consistent basis, that it actually works against him...if that makes any sense...(?)
Yup just like that song he just did with snoop it brought out the best in snoop because he knows he has to maintain his reputation instead of getting smoked by em in the same song meanwhile em brought it yet again. You hit the nail on the head
Trying to compare these two artists is a fool's errand, though... It's like handing someone a copy of a universally acclaimed novel that is seen as a work of literary genius...then sending them a hilarious meme with two lines of text that almost everyone can relate to...and then telling them to decide which is the better author and/or piece of writing. Lol
I remember the feeling I got when I first heard it and I still get the same feeling up to this day. The song makes you feel like you can conquer anything.
I love WAYNES verses BUT to me THIS WAS ONE OF EM"S best verses of career, he pretty much told WAYNE in song go home and re write it, like wayne's schems but not that complex . Both killed it, but I give it to EM for sure
Weezy F Baby don't write foo so the F is for Fuck you. If this Ems best verse against Lean sipping Weezys 8/10 But not his best verse, then I guess Wayne the Goat by your own logic lmao
You know what it is? Em's part leaves you in admiration for the artistry and skill, and you feel the awe in your head. But when Wayne's bars hit you feel them in your core and they kinda pull on your stomach and make you do the stank face
The fact you have to replay Ems part again and again to catch everything decides it for me. It's not just rapping fast. He puts way more into his verses than most. I'm a thinker so his bars speak to me more. I understand others don't think that hard. To each their own.
This right here is why Em is one of the best. He has layers and layers...everytime you listen you catch something new. Most rappers have surface level bars maybe doubles, but Em has triple and quads
@@nairkeith I won't lie, I'm a stan, and I'll give my respect to Wayne, I listen to Eminem playlists every day, and to this day, I still hear bars in songs I've heard hundreds of times that I've never heard in that song before. And then I'm like 🤯 that bar hits even deeper than I thought it did
Lol every bar Wayne spot was a double/triple entendre. You can be the smartest in the room and listen to it 10 times over and still wouldn’t catch everything. AND he rapped slow so casuals could catch up.
@@Inwhyseeb No hate. But if you stop comparing them, you'll see the beauty of both their lyrics n flow. If Wayne didn't rate Ems verse you think he would let Em feature. Think about it. Peace.
Eminem took this without question and Wayne went crazy! Em spit the bars, did the flow, kept the whole thing coming together... On Top Of My Game! Wrong choice on this one guys!
It’s not a wrong choice it’s their opinion lol I see what ur saying but still they prefer Wayne nothing wrong with that it’s a close match up, at least they appreciate both verses
"When im not even in my harshest you can still get roasted cause marsh is not mellow" is just pure genius. The lyrics in itself, the delivery, its just all around great like the entire verse
Em got crazy flow and energy ⚡ and some bars too. I feel like everything Wayne said is a bar from start to finish. That's how I felt years ago and I still feel it.
Agreed, people just appreciate more the features, if we keep comparing the artist then some people may feel intimidated and we could miss another masterpiece like this one or drop the world.
A monopoly in rap is, being alone at the top. But also standing on his monopoly board. Being on top of the game. The marsh mellow bar was more fire aswell, next to that you guys caught alot
and standing on his monopoly, bored. That ties back in to the later bars when it aint even cool to sound cocky anymore and all the way back to the first line about peoples rats perking up when he begins to smash with the pen. It is like if you play Madden and never take it off rookie. You are wining 86-0 every game and it get's boring and it isn't even cool to talk shit or brag about anymore because you don't have any challenge or competition
Wayne's bars are simplicity and Em's bars are complexity. Perhaps this is what makes them one of the greatest collaborations in hip-hop along with Redman and Method-Man
The fact that you had to go back and listen to Em's bars over and over should tell you something. Em means something in everything he says and everything's connected.
Ok instead of saying Wayne rewrote let’s say he re recorded which is what he does sometimes so people can stop saying Wayne don’t write it’s like ok you know what we mean re wrote/ re record, we trying to say the same thing lol
@@revertedrf978 everyone writes my guy, they just don't show up with pad and pen to the studio, if you dont write and memorize, then every retake verse would be different
For those who don’t know, when em was talking about ye he was talking about the verse on “Forever”. Ye said in an interview that he went back to the studio for 2 days to rewrite his verse after hearing ems verse.
Although what you said might be true, but it's incorrect, in this particular instance, he is referring to Kanye snatching the mic from Taylor Swift at the VMAs: "snatch the mic from them, get these cocksuckers off stage, where the fuck is Kanye when you need him?"
On the forever lil Wayne and Kanye redid there Verses after they heard Eminem They all had good verses if they would’ve been in any song, everybody would appreciated their verses, but nobody talks Eminems shit he talked shit about all of them on the song And they went back and redid their verses, and didn’t even try to clap back they just try to make their first versus better than they were
I dig these videos, I like hearing these songs with the lyrics running and pausing to discuss the verse(all of Ems bars need a bit to digest and unpack) because not only is the flow insane but his words say way more than face value.
Wayne's verse paints such a vivid picture to the listener with excellent story-telling, plus he has nice bars. Em has more elevated word-play and also has more fun with the flow. So ultimately it's going to come down to what mood you're in. I feel as though, Em used to do more story-telling earlier on in his career, but as he got older, he began playing with form more. Personally, I enjoy Wayne's stuff more when I want to "feel" something, and I look up Em's stuff when I want to really mentally dissect something clever and appreciate world-play.
Lil Wayne did his thing here, some of his best punchlines, his best metaphors and hardest verses are present. After that he takes a step back and supports Em with adlibs, Marshal simply does what you expect him to do and eat the whole fuccin rest of the song. What do you expect, Wheezy does his best around the best.
These are 2 EXTREMELY talented men who are the best at their style of creating music. The fact that they can put their styles together in this way just shows how versatile they are!!
Apparently you can't appreciate Em's bars if you can't catch them .Only genius will catch his bars ..No one got more bars than Em is a legend all day 👏🙌🙌🙌
This song is really a showcase of bars vs cadence/flow..I used to think Wayne had this one until you really start to appreciate flow ..Em's flow is an added instrument to the song..Its amazing🔥 only an elite few can do that
Eminem's flow, delivery, motivation is always top of the top. Wayne bars cold and needed in this song. This song is so good guys, just don't compare 2 goated rappers in a song where they teamed so well. Portugal here for the Goat Eminem always since day one and forever but also for other legendary OG'S and good stuff. Thanks for reacting to this legendary masterpiece. Salutes and respect from Portugal.
@@reeik9000 Not sure, wasnt asking for a reaction btw. Was just telling that drop the world is also a classic and em and wayne should make more songs together. They fit so well on a track together.
Em's hardest verse When I'm not even in my harshest You can still get roasted, 'cause Marsh is not mellow 'Til I'm topplin' from the top, I'm not gonna stop I'm standin' on my Monopoly board (uh) That means I'm on top of my game And it don't stop 'til my hip don't hop anymore (shit
I’m just glad we got a feature of two grates, two Titans in the game! Im glad you guys had such a hard time going back and forth trying to figure out who came out on top bc you guys listen to the words and flows and delivery compared to all the songs that are out now in day. Grate song !!
I always said Eminem and Lil Wayne should have made an album strictly them too together and it would have probably been the best album in the entire universe!!!!!!
@@noneofyourbiz39 wayne also said em was never gone to murder him on beat basically telling em you will never murder me on a song and i agree em would never murder wayne a song without dissing wayne
When the song came out I was heartbroken, and I heard the song, over 1000 times on itunes, and I've heard it so many times that afterwards I knew eminem's part by heart and could even rap faster than eminem himself... that song ist just amazing
It's not about who is better, it's about two MC's bringing the best out of each other. Giving us an instant classic and the real winners would be us the fans!
The fact is that both artists are GOATS. I will never compare the two because they both bring something different and unique to rap. The thing I am thankful for, is to be alive when both of these monsters were killing the game and setting some "bars" that are a little too high for most to reach. Much love to the channel. I be watching all your Em reactions.
Totally agree I think the three goats in rap are Eminem Lil Wayne Tech N9ne Actually I really shouldn't say think because think implies opinion and these are straight up facts😁😉
Plz name.. someone that can..on a record, album or whatever can even. Match EM.... Busta..lil Wayne.. Jay-Z.. Nas......no One....i would love to see Em and @snowdaproduct.
The best line was "yo I don't care about Taylor Swift, man" lmao. But seriously, I can't decide if I like 'Em or Wayne's bars more. Wayne had such a dope rhythm and delivery and Em is always technically epic. One of the best collabs ever. Your reactions are top tier
@@Scorpion-lj2zbhell nah. Wayne punchlines hit way harder because of the metaphors and how deep they were. No disrespect to em because he had fire schemes but he wasn’t saying anything to clever or deep. Just because it’s complicated doesn’t mean his bars were hitting as hard
People arguing in these comments who's better when the truth is this song is amazing, both guys are amazing, and the world is better for this song existing
Feeling is a big part of music. The stuff that em said that moved me you guys didn't really react to, and some of Wayne's bars that seemed a little on the nose to me you guys really liked. So much of music is about how it makes you feel and what it connects to inside. These two are both giants in rap, and they've both earned it. This one just felt like two giants working together to just show what they can do.
@@rencenaval8556 but, he's also a rapper/lyricist🤣 of course he's going to catch most of Em's bars, dude does what EM does for a living, just at a lower level. So he understands what EM is saying, because that's also his job too.
This is definitely the closest I've seen to Em not just completely washing people on a track. People have told Lil'Wayne this in interviews before about they feel he is the only one to not allow Eminem to "run him over in verses" and Weezy said nobody can run him over like that he pretty much treats it as a competition like Em does. It is pretty wild that rap song verses are treated as battle. Can you imagine Garth Brooks and Taylor Swift on a song and people breaking down who was better 😂🤣😂🤣 Hip Hop is just naturally competitive, prolly from all the battle rap throughout history.
@@brandoonf6962 Nah, Joyner was great but Em was on that Kamikaze smoke on that song/ whole album, he went crazy at the end. The whole “I sound like a broken record everytime I break a record”.
This is a tie......both slayed it.....which is why it's one of best collabs ever from Em. If peeps are more Em fans, they'll lean to Em, and if more Weezy fans, lean to Weezy.
"Cold-hearted from the day I bogarted the game" deep meaning here because Evan bogart was one of the people responsible for discovering Eminem at the Rap Olympics in 1997. So he was cold-hearted since the beginning he was noticed and has been ever since
One thing that nobody who truly understands the genre can argue against is that Eminem brings the best out of Weezy. Go back and listen to their collabs...Wayne's most impressive verses are on records with Em.
Go listen to Knuck If You buck from Wayne or Last of a dying breed with Ludacris those verses are fucking unmatched, and there’s way more where those came from 💯
It was around this time that Em started getting a little bit more into word play. Wayne used to be king of word play then Em picked it up and way over shot Wayne. Please check out Alfred’s Theme - Eminem. Loaded with Bars.
I'm an old head.. Em came out when I was in Highschool. Been a fan since his 1st album. Em's verses are always top notch and a lot to unpack. I also been a fan of Lil Wayne since Cash Money. Being Honest and Objective, Em is top 3 all time for me, but in this specific song, Lil Wayne had the better sounding part of the song in terms of flow and cadence. It felt like Em was trying to fit to many syllables in between beats, so it sounded a little off to me where as Wayne sounded more fluid. Both Em and Wayne had great bars, but Wayne had the better delivery overall, and I say this as someone who has Em higher on his rapper list than Wayne.
Em wasn't trying to fit.....he fit numerous syllables in btw beats, no hate to you but there wasn't really anything fluid about lil Wayne's obvious punchline to punchline bars. Punchlines are impact bars there's supposed to be a stop, putting them back to back takes fluidity out of the question
@@Matty80822 doesn't that make you a Wayne fan boy that can't take it that Em took this feature? I don't think any of them is better here, both are equally dope af
Go back over Em's verse. My emotions are involved now. I'm loving what you gentlemen are doing! I haven't felt like this for a while so I will be watching more. Thanks guys!
Em is telling you a whole story in his verse, not just dropping miscellaneous random bars... All of Ems are connected to the story... Wayne hits hard too, but it's in a different style.
@@fateszl bro I’ve watched plenty. Either way people who breakdown em part spend 20+ minutes and he doesn’t have bars like that. I’m not gonna waste my time, you simply break it down and enlighten me
It's not a competition. They're complementing each other. This song is nothing without both of them. For me, this is one of my too 10 favorite rap songs ever. And it's my ringtone 😜
Love this song, with 2 GOATS...Wayne even said in an interview that when he was approaching the song it's always 50/50 nobody will out do another..they both looked at it that way and just wanted to make a beautiful song..its about the music, not who did better then who
I was in my 20s during Wayne's prime.. He was and still is the greatest of all time. Em too. Damn that was such a badass time. Now you can't listen to the rapper's today. You can't tell what they're saying. Lol
