There is a lesson here in Dawn's story that all new groups should learn from. Dawn looked at the numbers and saw that everyone was making big money off of their group while they were settling for "pennies." The other members should have joined Dawn and fought for their "fair" share. Big companies and corporations find it easy to dispose of individuals. But if the members had fought together as one, they could have at the very least won a bigger share of the pie if not more. So stick together in situations like this to gain power, or go down individually which is no problem for big companies and corporations as they find that individuals are disposable and of no value to them. Trust me, I've lived it!
I feel you but there was a "fundamental" problem with them from the jump. They ALL got kicked of the Luther Vandross tour over the same "pettiness". It sad that they were small minded, "penny wise and pound foolish" that it cost them their careers. Just another "flash" in the pan,
@@ronaldlawrence2229 do you know what the phrase "flash n the pan", means?That was disrespectful?A flash in the pan is something that THIS group will NEVER Be!!!!!!
@@ronaldlawrence2229 if En Vogue never records as a group again,Robert, one thing En Vogue WILL NEVER EVER be ,is a "flash on the pan", on any standard!!!!!!!!
I WOULD BLAME THEM BUT I GET YOUR POINT TOO!!!DAWN IS A PISTOL!!! I LIKE HER STRENGTH BUT IT WASN'T TACTFUL AND STRATEGIC!!! THOSE GIRLS WERE THE BEST FEMALE GROUP EVER!!! POWERFUL VOICES!
Back in 2012 here’s what happened ... Cindy and Terry sued Maxine and Dawn for the name plus $1 MILLION in damages. They claimed M & D were illegally touring under the "EV" name after the band broke up ... but had no right, since C&T owned the LLC. According to legal docs, a judge granted "EV" founding members Cindy Herron and Terry Ellis the exclusive right to use the name "En Vogue" while performing and touring ... after a long, drawn-out legal battle with former bandmates Maxine Jones and Dawn Robinson. Although Dawn Robinson was named in legal documents as a defendant in the case -- per her rep... Dawn was not involved in the dispute, and says she gave up the legal right to use the name En Vogue several years ago. In 2013 The judge recently sided with Cindy and Terry -- giving them the name -- but said the duo failed to prove damages, and were awarded no money. Still a pretty big victory T & C ... substantial $$ intellectual property they seem to protect even from those who are 50% vested in its foundation… they were the darling queen divas of Soul, and R&B on lock from the ‘90s and well into 2000-millennium… “all for one and one for all” in partnership seemed never to be the case with majority of those manufactured male, female, blended… group tragic endings… then they try to recapture and sadly it’s never the same, because can’t go back to what was… moral of story STOP that mentality of 🦀 🪣 It 🖤 History Month February 2022
@@valentinomiller6251 I know you wrote this years ago but I think the hurt feelings come from 2012-2013 when Dawn and Maxine did interviews claiming to be "the REAL En Vogue" -- Cindy and Terry are the only members to have been in every EV lineup (minus a short period Cindy was giving birth), so just like Dawn has full reason to be hurt by Foster/McElroy, it's inevitable that Cindy and Terry would feel completely betrayed by Dawn + Max's failed lawsuit.
No matter what's said now, I believe in more of Dawn ana Maxine's side of the story than of Cindy &Terri's side.Actually BOTH sides had suffered since the parting of the original Funky Divas.If you can name a bona-fide hit for either since the break up.Past En Vogue releases weren't up to par since. I MEAN,LOOK THROUGH Esther's discography:En Vogue's "Soul Flower" went barely unnoticed, I bought my copy but you don't even see it on RU-vid or many other sites. I STIL have it and still wonder why:Rhona sounds too much like Cindy and it sounded like their were only 2 vocalists ,which were Rhona and Terri!
Dawn and Max Are The edge and spice to EnVogue. Together as the originals they are great. Unfortunately, they All got played. Know Your blessings and move forward with your talent and skills. Start moving like Prince, he gave the blueprint
I walked into an electronics store one day and heard this incredible base and girls harmonizing "Don't waste your time...' I just stopped in my tracks and listened. It was the most amazing sound I had ever heard, my introduction to En Vogue.
Well all I know is I LOVE ENVOGUE! You all have inspired and made many many many mini envougues outta black women. I also think y'all set the standard in beauty. I'm sorry to hear but I love you all
When i think of En Vogue i think of Dawn first she was that force, instantly drawn to her when they first came out ❤ too bad they are going through this and have been for so long
Truth is no matter what happened The originals will always out rank any current member. En Vogue started in 1989 but the 30th anniversary of "Born to sing" is anniversary for Cindy, Terry Dawn and Maxine!
@@cordeliaevans7802 “Mainstream” success in the 90’s and mainstream success in 2021 are not the same. En Vogue are a legacy R&B act still performing live shows and recording new music 31 years later. That is success. Not your outdated opinion of what mainstream success looks like in 2021. That is a reach.
People who fight for other's or hate injustice are always the ones left out in the cold. Companies do not like anyone with a brain or mouth. You have to be sheep & cause no hassle. I see myself in Dawn but I'm quiet but hate injustice. Love from England.🇬🇧
My exact sentiment...notice when they speak up the industry label them as crazy...jaguar Wright is mistook off in what she is saying g..look what they r saying/doing to her
I actually understand what Dawn is saying. She has a point. I also understand how it comes off. It doesnt look good. God bless Rhona, talented lady, seems very nice, but when I think of En Vogue, I think of Dawn, Max, Terry, and Cindy. Period. All of the great songs and albums that made them who they are, Rhona wasnt a part of any of them. The songs that endure in pop culture and make them legends are from the original four. Dawn is 100% correct. It's like if Johnny Gill joined New Edition and they had no hits or songs of consequence. En Vogue ceased to exist for me once 50% of the group left.
This line of thinking is why Dawn splits rent with roommates in her 50s and sleeps on a twin bed. What a portion of the EV fanbase thinks doesn't stop Cindy, Terry, and Rhona from booking gigs. It didn't stop Eddie Murphy from asking those three to record a song for Coming 2 America or Lifetime from giving them a television movie. Dawn owns NOTHING. Being remembered doesn't pay bills.
I appreciate that Dawn is always an open book about what's truly going on with En Vogue because if it were up to Cindy and Terry, we'd never know. Their performance last year with Sylvia Rhone had me thinking that the 5 of them were ready to get things going to tour and celebrate 30 years together. It's a shame that at this rate, it will never happen. - I don't agree with Dawn's sentiment that Rhona isn't a real member of the group. While of course she wasn't a part of creating the EV that fans knew and loved in the 90s, her presence in keeping the brand going in their most recent years should be respected. Cindy is right. She shouldn't be kicked to the curb whenever Max and Dawn return. Rhona has been more reliable than Dawn and Maxine. She doesn't appear to overstep her boundaries or brag about her presence in the group either so Dawn should let her be. - It was very unfair that Cindy and Terry refused to allow Dawn and Maxine to record themselves during their reunion. I can see why Dawn would feel somehow about Rhona having her camera in their faces when they couldn't even do the same. Yes, Maxine and Dawn are "employees" of EV at this point but if Cindy and Terry ever wish to have an all 5 moment for their fans that will last, compromise and communication with have to exist between the four of them. They're all in their 50s and shouldn't be treated as children by each other especially when they all contributed to creating the EV that fans loved. There was no lead singer in EV. - I think if Dawn knew 20 years ago that signing away her rights to EV would entail all of this, she wouldn't have. I sense regret. If they ever do try the all 5 thing again, I think therapy would be great for the group so they can heal. They can't just keep coming together without ironing out the issues of the past. Also, while Cindy, Terry, and Rhona have done a great job at sustaining the brand in recent times, what they do together will never be as big as what EV5 will be. That's the simple truth.
Agreed except for the final comment. The current EV3 will never do would EV4, the OGs could. I respect Rhona's presence, but to insist she's needed is false. Rhona should not be kicked to the curb, but for a reemergence of the group and screaming fans, Rhona is not needed, or in many cases, wanted. The fans love the OGs, and that's just a fact. To the person who equates En Vogue's situation to Destiny's Child, it's not the same thing. Michele was a member of the elevated group and part of their pinnacle. The same is not true with Rhona. Michele is NOT expendable, because in the end, when you think of DC, Michele IS a third, a third, not a fourth. When most think DC, the two OGs don't come to mind, so En Vogue's "Rhona" issue is not the same.
I'm soo glad she's telling her side! I would love to hear from Maxine too. Dawn's side sounds very logical to me! why would 1 of the biggest girl groups n history settle for only making 2 cents per album??! Everyone was eating off of their talent! I don't understand why the ladies didn't stick 2gether on renegotiating, unless Terry & Cindy were making more money somewhere n the contract that Max & Dawn's didn't know about? or management got n Terry & Cindy's ear gassed their head up telling them they didn't need Dawn's & Max 🤷🏽♀️ No matter what happened as a fan from the very beginning I am very disappointed 😔 been wanting for them to get bk 2gether for yrs. I grew up to their music🎶
The writers and producers get the lion's share of any song not the artists . That's why artists try to write and produce. Unless you do that, most of your money will come from tours. It's such a basic fact of the industry yet she was willing to tear everything down by fighting for something they weren't even entitled to. Lots of artists are satisfied to up their craft and do more to make more money. Their problem would have been with their producers giving them more freedom to do that though, not fighting with the record company over a music industry default. So short sighted. They were all making more money touring then they were in their old jobs, I'm sure. Respect to Cindy and Teri for keeping their dignity and getting paid to do what they love for decades now.
I've heard both sides and Terry even said they should have renegotiated when Dawn tried to get them to. It's a shame but I got one stand with Dawn and Maxine.
@D.D.T. LLC me too, but I think Dawn made realistic points!when it comes to the best girls groups, En Vogue is IT, next to a few others:the Supremes,The Emotions, Jade,High Inergy The Pointer Sisters, etc.,but all could not get on the same page.That ruins it for all involved, :the group and the fans
I attended an En Vogue concert here in Indianapolis back in the 90s just to see Dawn Robinson, my favorite female singer! Dawn, how do you stay so beautiful?
I knew not to get my hopes up... too many egos not enough sisterhood nor good communication .... I loved their first two albums atleast we have those and the nostalgia ❤️.
That's what you get from "prefabricated" groups like this who didn't come together "organically" like SWV. They went through their "trip" and came back together better than ever. So sad because they didn't have the "investment",
Chocolate Thunder Cherry You said it perfectly! Way too many egos, drama and gossip. I really hate it because it feeds into the stereotype that girl groups can’t stay together! I guess it’s good that Dawn has no filter but she can also be really rude and disrespectful
I say this respectfully. I just leanred the additional member of EvVogues name is " Rhona". I don't think anyone would forget that name after 2020!🤷🏾♀️ That being said, the BEGINNING of a thing is the FOUNDATION and is of essence. The ORIGINAL EnVogue impacted people's lives, they changed generations. Clearly someone that wanted to go solo would not join another GROUP. I truly pray that the original members put the EGOS aside and think about the FANS FOR ONCE and WE, THE MAJORITY OF THE FANS WANT THE ORIGINAL ENVOGUE! Rona can be a part of that too, she is talented I'm sure, ( Although she does not have a voice that I recognize, per se like the original members ) and beautiful. However, give us DAWN and MAX please and thank you. I promise you, you will go farther. Now EV3's "Rocket" is my jaaaaam and I loved Terry's " Wherever You Are" so ALL of the ladies have a lane, but Dawn is a FORCE, let's be honest. She is an asset and should be paid, included and respected as such as well as " Give it Up Turn It Loose" Maxine! My favorite artist said it best, "Give The People What They Want". 💯. Foster and McElroy made a killing off a them! Let's be fair now in 2021. #funkydivasforever🔥🔥🔥🔥
En Vogue's Was My Favorite Singing Group From Back In The Day When I Was Kid I Used Too Have They CD And Cassette Tapes Posters I'm 36Years Old Now En Vogue's Is Still My Favorite Singing Group From Back In The Day Dawn Robinson Is My Favorite Singer From En Vogue's
I looked up Joyce's group Klymaxx and I am familiar with the song "Meet me in the ladies room". Definitely a hot song. I am happy that Joyce and Dawn are supporting one another. I am saddened by the interview. It seems as if the En Vogue story is a true bittersweet tragedy. :{ smh. :{
I'm so freaking upset about this!! I grew up watching this group and I always love Dawn and Maxine.. When I was a little girl I used to and still looked up to them!! I wanted to look sexy like them lol.. I also tried to have their vocals as a little girl lol! I kno if Damn would had gotten the chance to do her solo album at that time.. she would have been a big star! Her singing vocal is so powerful plus she was so beautiful naturally.. Not saying all the other girls wasn't beautiful because they also was naturally beautiful. But Dawn had something special about her. I wish the group would have kept their sisterhood and fought as a team because they would have been something amazing. So sad groups never last long smh..
😤😩😩 it all could be so simple If everyone would put egos and petty animosity to the side the reunion performance last year proved EV5 would be a hit and would've been a perfect way to bring in #EV30 but I digress.....
I kinda see both sides. Although I do believe Terri and Cindy could benefit from compromising with Dawn and Max. It does seem like it’s their way or the highway. Which if you’re asking them to join again so y’all can secure the bag is NOT the way to go about it. Having said that though I respect C&T for not just kicking Rhonda to the curb. She’s an essential member at this point. It’s so sad that they still can’t just put egos to the side to celebrate their legacy. 30 years in this business is an amazing thing. They owe it to themselves and the fans to get over this petty drama, hear each other out and compromise to deliver something great together again.
Rhona stepped aside twice so that the O4 could re-join. Dawn Robinson wanting Rhona to step aside for a third time is ridiculous. Dawns moment as a solo star has passed, she made sure of that. Even if Rhona were to step aside, it's only a matter of time before Dawn Robinson finds another reason to quit. That is the only thing she has done consistently. Quit. Dawn is a liability. Rhona is an asset. Cindy & Terry are right. This is business. Protect the brand.
I never said Rhonda should step aside. As a matter of fact I said I respect Terry and Cindy for not asking her to. I don’t know where you got that from. Yes Dawn has left multiple times and that sucks but she still has millions of EV fans who would love to see her back with the group. Protecting the brand is great but at this point they are ALL isolating their fan base. They need to put egos to the side and find a way to work together. Period!!!
Shawn152 Dawn suggested that Rhona should step aside for the O4’s 30th reunion. Pay attention. Dawn does NOT have millions of fans. She couldn’t sell a 100,000 records as a solo artist.
I agree except the part about Rhona's being essential. When they tour, they perform OG En Vogue songs of which Rhona was not a part in the recording and chart successes, therefore ANYONE could be Rhona, the third singer, and still no one would care. It's not as if C&T have a distinctive sound with Rhona. Rhona is singer for hire and the essential ones are C&T. #Facts.
There is nothing like the original girls... Dawn and maxine walked away so it's sad she is still pushing to benefit from a situation she walked away from. Years have passed.... Dawn needs to see if she can benefit off the name lucy Pearl also... Not the after success of Envogue when she left by choice
@CJB there ia nothing much to understand... Dawn/Maxine wants to have control again over something they chose to walk away from with their own reasons and now they are upset the ones (terri/cindy) who still have ownership to the name "Envogue" isnt letting them have territory. Business and feelings should never mix
@CJB now.... I have a business mind. I understand what dawn is saying but her ply is obsolete. You're thinking from an emotional stand point like she is. Dawn/Maxine should be happy that they are allowed to be on stage as original members... But as far as having revenue or entitlement over the brand "Envogue" those days are gone UNLESS.... New paperwork has been issued.
@CJB business is business.... Dawn understood that in which she thought she had more value than the original contracting of Envogue. Years later the brand kept going with new members.... You cannot come back to a situation you helped create but chose to contractually forfeit in order to benefit financially w/image control value.... Things just dont work that way, Stop defending dawn & understand BUSINESS. Envogue is terri, cindy, & Rhonda..... (With certain approved exceptions adding EX members Dawn & Maxine)
@@Mr247star and they will never be able to make the bank w/o Dawn and Maxine. That's the business. Their brand will continue to lose. I am a die hard en vogue fan. Never heard of Rhona till now. In other words, the generation that knows the Original group MAY listen but will not pay for half a memory. And will not buy all five members without the proper respect given to the original sound.
Record contracts suck , teddy riley expressed his concerns in the record industry as did Prince, its a whole crooked industry starting with ASCAP AND BMI rights to music credentials on who gets paid royalties.
I love Dawn, she’s my favorite group member and one of my favorite singers ever however that’s the business just like corporate America 🇺🇸 they will have you replaced the minute you walk out the door 🚪 I’m glad Terri and Cindy are still holding it down and it would have been nice 😊 to see Dawn & Maxine join them for the reunion. Hopefully she will reconsider next time. Stay blessed Dawn and know we all the fans love ❤️ seeing all you ladies on stage singing and entertaining us 😇 remember we all have to sellout a little bit just to survive the business 👩💼 #blessings
Terry, Cindy, Maxine, Dawn, and Rhona are ALL En Vogue to me!! Dawn, I understand why not being able to take pics and video at last year's event could hurt on a personal level and could make you feel like less of a funky diva than the current core 3 members. For so many of us though, seeing all 5 of the long-time members of En Vogue taking the stage together that night was a decades-long dream come true. We love you and Maxine as founding members of En Vogue and we love and respect Rhona for adding to and continuing En Vogue's legacy. I haved loved En Vogue from the second I played the "Hold On" cassette single as 14-year old gay white boy in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and will adore all 5 of you for as long as I listen to music.
I don't think Dawn was referring to funky diva at all but just to be respected enough as a founder member of EV to at least have a say? Is that too much to ask? Fair is fair... I love Dawn's humble spirit and the person I see... God bless you always
@ROMELO ESTRADA Imagine EV6 though, the power if Terry, Cindy, Dawn, Maxine, Rhona & Amanda turned En Vogue into some form of super group, it'd be like if all the Destiny's Child members joined together, or if every single Supremes member joined together. Iconic!
My God...........this woman is still as beautiful as she was thirty years ago. I was a huge fan of En Vogue so it's sad to learn about the behind the scenes drama. I hope there has been healing for each of them. I suppose this kind of thing happens in the entertainment industry!
Whether we like it or not, Rhona is a part of Envogue. She may not have started as an original but she has been recording and touring with Terry and Cindy for over a decade. So to ask her to step aside IF Dawn and/or Maxine decides they want to come back would be sooo unfair. Furthermore, Dawn, once again, you LEFT in 1997 and gave up your rights to the group. So anything that the CURRENT line up do INCLUDING Rhona, you have no say so.
@Real Truth Dawn relinquished her rights to En Vogue to pursue a solo career that didn't pan out. She said herself that the deal she had with Lucy Pearl was similar to the one she had with EV but she didn't pay attention to the details because she and Raphael were friends. Your girl is a perennial malcontent.
Exactly. The nerve. Rhona has put in in years of work. May not been an original but has been a loyal group member. As well as great representative of the group
@dron fallon, their best performances and songs that made Envogue what they are was the result of the talents of the original four members. Dawn and Maxine have very great and powerful voices. This is not to take away anything from Cindy and Terry. I believe that it's the higher ups in the record company that's trying to stifle both Dawn and Maxine. Cindy and Terry are afraid to stand up against the higher ups. It's too bad that they don't realize that the true power is in their unity. The higher ups could do nothing if all four girls were united. That divide and conquer strategy can't work against a united front. Hold your heads up Dawn and Maxine. Dawn, you are a strong warrior.
Short version: Dawn gave up her rights to En Vogue in 1997 the first time she left. Cindy, Terry, and Maxine created En Vogue LLC in 2005. Some years later, Maxine began to skip shows they had all agreed to and did shows with a group she formed called En Vogue to the Max. Cindy and Terry sued, it went to arbitration, and Maxine lost her rights to En Vogue LLC because it was found she violated the terms of their operating agreement. Maxine appealed but the decision was upheld.
Really disappointing to hear that's how Cindy and Teri treat Maxine and Dawn..That's really sad. I like the group Envogue. I like the orginal and new..However, there is nothing better than the original group..I think its very rude, petty and disrespectful how Teri and Cindy are treating them..Ladies that's not a good look..
Cindy and Terry have stuck around. Why wouldn't they run the show? Not just keeping the name alive, they're using their voices more night after night. That's the part ppl miss.
Temptations had dueling tours using the name. A judge ruled they could do that as long as an original member is part of the group. Why can't they do that now? FTR....I miss the original four all together. 😭
First off I’m a fan of this iconic & legendary group ...like many I would love nothing more than to see them all back together..... but I gotta keep this real ...... Terri & Cindy are about their grown woman business , they are about professionalism, protecting the En Vogue brand & collecting the bag . Dawn & Max have came back several times & it only last a short time & then it falls apart ... this has happened on tour which creates issues with bookers & promoters. Dawn is still holding on to things from 25 yrs ago ..even things with Lucy Pearl , Max seems to follow along so this creates drama , friction, they go into interviews trashing Terri & Cindy .... Terri & Cindy have not said anything against them & have maintained the door is always open. I feel like Rhona is cut from The same cloth as Terri & Cindy she is professional, she obviously get along with them .. the group is stable ... they don’t miss dates ...there’s a lot of money to be made in the touring market .. they make it work without the drama ..collect their coins ... at the end of the day money talks ..... Seeing the way Dawn is these days ...I don’t see them getting back together so I have learned to accept the Cindy, Terri & Rhona version of En Vogue and I’m at peace with that
When she tells the same story over and over for years, it is damaging to Cindy and Teri and it's wrong. There are so many people who act as if they have done this girl wrong and what did they do really? Dawn was a firebrand and the others were more careful and concerned with missing an opportunity of a lifetime. Dawn said it herself, she quit. They didn't kick her out. Her style does not match theirs and that's fine, it doesn't mean they did her wrong, but for so many people they see her as a victim. She caused her own problems. She was willing to kick up a storm over the two cents per record sale but did she not consider that they would not getore than that? They did not write, produce any of their music. What was she thinking? They like most artists, make their money performing. I see Dawn as an illogical "tear it all down" type who suffers for her impulsiveness and takes others down in the process. Talking about this for so many years is just pathetic.shebis a sorry person. Have some dignity and stop selling the "somebody done me wrong", "I tried to be a hero" garbage.
If the Fans started a nationwide petition for them to get back together and reunite, trust and believe, they will but only for the fans. It happened with B2K and it was successful until Lil Fizz messed it up lol 🤦🏾♂️
Honestly, the original group needs to get their shit together. They are too old to be holding grudges. Put yall egos to the side and make money. If they need to have a pow wow then okay cool but after that leave whats in the past in the past.
There are 3 sides to every story. Dawn is just the most vocal. I wish the ladies could get it together but it's obviously not meant to be. I hate the fact that the fans take sides when only the women know what's going on. They are ALL talented. But it's crazy that Dawn had issues with En Vogue, Lucy Pearl and R&B divas.It can't ALWAYS be other people's fault for EVERYTHING. En Vogue is amazing but they go down like Jodeci. Talented but too many issues to continue their journey. Between 20 years of arguing and the fans taking sides it's extremely sad how things turned out.
Tony Toni tone has a documentary on the internet called “loyalty no royalty” : the break up of Tony Toni tone. Check it out. The brothers of Raphael tells everybody how he fucked them over too.
RNB diva’s is a reality show and that caters to drama to make ratings.Some people have it in them to stoop that low to secure a bag.The record companies,managers and producers will take advantage of the recording artists if they can get away with it.The record producers of En Vogue put together the group,owned the name,wrote and produced most of the first four albums except for Don’t Let go Love which Dawn sang lead on EV’s biggest hit to date and since Dawn left,EV hasn’t had a hit record.Dawn signing with Raphael Sadiq was poor choice making.She ought to have known what went on in Toni Toni Toni and what led to there downfall.Berry Gordy gave his artists shitty record deals as well as Jerry Heller,
In California, parties have to consent to be filmed if there is an expectation of privacy. Dawn could have been sued and we all know she can't even afford a public defender.
Rhona continues to make a living wage performing songs recorded by the original four members. The current setup functions as a sort of tribute act. En Vogue died after Masterpiece Theatre.
You are absolutely right. After Max left the group, it went downhill afterwards. I think Rhona needs to continue doing her solo thing because she is wasting time being in En Vogue. Terry and Cindy sound old and tired now.
I go back & forth about who did it & why. But at the end of the day, I see four hurt people. And hurt people hurt people. Try as you must, you can't fix what no longer works. And what is meant for you...is for you. Stop picking at the sore & let it heal. Time to just let it go. Peace of mind is priceless. Please don't let your hit song, Don't let Go" be your swan song. Just Free your mind & the rest will follow.
I really don’t understand Dawn and I absolutely loved her as part of original En Vogue but didn’t she choose to leave? I understand that she wanted the group to get more money but being shady, as she stated herself, is so very wrong. I have not heard in one interview Terry nor Cindy shading her or speaking ill of her. That’s where the class meets the trash. Them getting back together would have been great for us fans but oh my gosh, the drama. She chose to leave the group and the name of which Cindy and Terry now own so they are in fact the shot callers. 🤷🏽♀️ this interview screams misery loves company. Ijs. And I know there are bigger issues in the world to focus on but I loved En Vogue… so…lol
Dawn persona comes off like she's EnVogue the one. When Terry is the one with tha VOICE and RANGE. Thats alot a nerve for Dawn to expect Rhona not to be apart of the reunion. Rhona has been dependable consistent with Terry & Cindy recording albums and touring 15 yrs now as a trio EnVogue. Dawn, you was the one leaving and comeback, leaving and comeback. Terry & Cindy was always my favs out the four since the group came out in the 1990s and both are still!
@@jmortonortiz5 lol, in ur dreams u wish lol Yea Dawn got a nice voice but Terry has gutsy power and very high belt range Terry & Cindy is the strong glue that keeps the group going and going Dawn & Maxine tried to recreate their own EnVogue. It didnt work. Because with out Cindy & Terry, Nobody's interested in Dawn or Maxine at all unless their fully back joined with EnVogue = Cindy & Terry Dawn's BIG ego has been problems with the group for long while Maxine would flow smoothly rejoining the girls then that of Dawn Terry + Cindy + Rona + Maxine (EnVogue) Id be fine with that united flow if Maxine was to rejoin back again!
@@jmortonortiz5 I have to agree. I was never a big fan of the group, but when someone mentions EnVogue, I hear Dawn's voice. Yet, they are far better collectively then individually.
I’m (not) sorry but if I were Cindy & Terry, I wouldn’t be trying to meet their “demands” either. Max & Dawn especially were inconsistent members, and Rhona is truly the biggest team player. She sat it out back in 2009 just to come back in a rush in 2012 when they both decided to leave. Rhona 17 years in, which is more than half, of the full 30.
That’s ridiculous. If compromising would help with group cohesion & keep everyone happy, then they should do it. Tbh, they were all equal original members of the group, there is no way Cindy & Terry should be bossing them around.
@@veronicajade20 I wouldn’t say they’re bossing them around, but after all the public bad mouthing from both and inconsistency from Dawn (leaving in 97, 05,06, and 2011), I wouldn’t want to meet bow down to them either. Dawn doesn’t want Rhona to be apart of 30 years of the group even though she’s been in for 17 years. Plus, say Rhona did sit it out, Dawn and/or Max leave again during a reunion tour because they don’t like something or a disagreement happened, what are Cindy & Terry to do? They can get sued for shows because when you get booked, it goes by who signs the contract. Having Rhona already on tour would be a pre-set damage control. Plus, I would feel a way if I were Rhona to sit for the 30th anniversary of the group and I put in dedication & loyalty 17 years.
@@beanfresh09 period! I’ve had the opportunity to work with the ladies for the last 2 years styling and designing for them. Rhona puts in 100% everytime she hits that stage just like the other ladies
I completely lost interest in En Vogue after Dawn left. I just watch the old videos and listen to the old music. I have no idea about the new lady in the group and never will bother to find out. *Love you Dawn!!* ETA: Looking at the photos of the new lady with the group, she doesn't even seem to fit in. She looks like a fan who asked to get in the photo. JMO
Let me say this if Terry And Cindy wants a true ENVOGUE reunion they have to allow the inclusion of Dawn & Max point blank we never knew until right now that max and Dawn did Don’t Let Go but regardless of what songs they sung if we are gonna do this do it the right way as women. Folks can say Dawn is this and that but this is a collective and you can’t want to reunite but under these terms that is the break down and will continue to be until Cindy and Terry do it organically and let them be a part! Cindy and Terry can own the name and all that but when it comes to saying they can come back but on our terms is wrong. I love all 5 equally but if you want a reunion everyone has a say song selections wardrobe touring whatever you can’t get anywhere divided and they’re divided that’s why they won’t win and I love my babies but get it together this is not rocket science 🧪
Michael Browne ... bruh.... Cindy and terry have never ever stopped touring.... they had to pick up the pieces and salvage the “ brand”.... dawn has come back in forth so many times leaving them hanging.... because something didn’t go her way....she gifted but also a bit toxic....
gary williams what does any of what you say have to do with the price of tea in China?! A reunion is what it is a reunion! If you want a real reunion then you have to put everything on the table and get on one accord No one is taking from Cindy and Terry that they own the name to use and can tour but if you want to get the group back together then as a UNIT collectively you’ve got to agree as a whole to be able to have a successful reunion hint Guns And Roses any group that’s had the same issues. The big picture is being able to move forward together and not one person in the group is bigger than the group because they ALL laid the foundation! Everything I say is all love we can agree to disagree but I promise you one thing if they don’t agree we won’t see the four of them or five for that matter together and that’s a fact!
Michael Browne ... but they just had a reunion.... and again Ms Dawn is disgruntled,, going to the press smearing and maligning them 20 yrs later.....being petty...... it’s always something... her complaints were very elementary.....if you pay close attention.... Dawn is the one who refuses to tour.... she is bitter because terry did a solo project and they cancelled hers ( or she would not have brought it up)... she don’t know how to play the game obviously .....
gary williams 😂😂😂 I’m gonna say this I’m here for EnVogue individually and as a collective! Dawn not choosing to tour (which if she never said anything you would never know why) because from your point of view is she’s negative because she’s always “going to the press” which I would interpret that as saying she should not say anything negative or tell us the true reason for her not being with the girls. As a fan first none of us go into meetings with Cindy Max Terry and Dawn it’s called the “music business” and they don’t have the “business side” of it together until the “business side” of it is together we won’t get the reunion that we want as fans. The trained mentality that if someone complains about what doesn’t work for them and to shut up and go with the flow days are over these are grown women and they are in their 50s, We don’t live in the 60s where you just shut up and sing. We as fans are seeing the disfunction that is happening and to say that Dawn or anybody in the group shouldn’t speak about speaks to the mindset of saying it’s ok! It’s ok to disagree but to tell someone how to move and navigate clearly it doesn’t work and again we are nottttt behind the scenes and will never know unless someone airs their dirty laundry. That old trained mentality what happens in this house stays in the house is in the past bottom line I pray the ladies find a common ground and can get on one accord and move forward as a unit. Terry solo album dawn solo album is history! As I bought all of their cds! I enjoy this dialogue let’s keep it going!
Beautiful ladies. Shame they can’t move foward and settle disagreements. Because what they established in the music industry was amazing. They have a legacy that should survive the pettiness. Shame shame shame😕😫
I understand a lot of what Dawn has been saying on these interviews for the last 2-3 years. But I also understand that at this point in the game Terry and Cindy kinda do run what goes on in the group. They've been there since day one. The first two times Dawn came back you didnt hear any of this stuff about Cindy and Terry running everything. Thats because they treated Dawn's return like they were reunited/she's in/done deal and its going to be like old times and everyone is equal and has equal say. Once Dawn kept leaving out of the blue and returning when she felt like it, Cindy and Terry had to set some ground rules. Come on, people. THats life.
Yes!! Exactly. I love Dawn but Terry & Cindy (with Rhona’s presence) have kept EV going and thriving. They never left. They kept giving Dawn AND Max chances but this is a business and Terry and Cindy gotta keep things above water. Dawn, at this point, is a liability. No matter what it is EVERY SINGLE TIME Dawn comes back she leaves abruptly because something wasn’t right and then publicly complains. That only hurts EV and the legacy.
@@jayt4835 yes, and messes up their good rep, credibility and possibly their coins. For me, at this point, its not about who I like more or which member of EV is the most entertaining to me. Its about being grown, mature and professional.
What y’all don’t understand is that Dawn left because of bad negotiation deals that’s why she left. C & T was always jealous of Dawn since the beginning & Max was too. Dawn is someone that’s going to ask questions & not be a pushover unlike the other three girls. I’m on Dawn’s side because she got slighted so many times by these girls. The fact that Terry was in a relationship with Denny (the producer) && did a solo album while Dawn was offered to do the same solo record & she got kicked out says to me that the three girls was always jealous of her & wanted her demise period ! How can y’all NOT see that come on now wake up!
@@tabitha245 Dawn has said that in many interviews so I think its safe to say people DO know that. Do they believe her?? Dont know the ratio on that. Terry, Maxine and Cindy ALL being jealous of Dawn, its my opinion that that is not true. No shade but you just sound like a big DAWN FAN and you're taking her side and thats that. And thats cool but a lot of people dont believe everything she says.
@@tabitha245 have you ever been to a live En Vogue show with the four originals? That energy, camaraderie and performance - there's no jealousy, envy or hate anywhere in it. They truly enjoy performing together and each of them respects what the others bring to the table, and they expect it during each performance. If one is under the weather or can't perform to the best of their ability the others will back her and cover for her. I've seen (heard) them do it.
Until the 4 ladies sit down and converse and hear one another out without management or anyone they will never come together. I like Dawn but as of today she is still bitter. She says she's not but she is.
I understand what she is saying and I don’t think she is saying anything negative towards Rhona but how her and Max was treated. Why were they not allowed to film if the others were?
Gazmeister Wongatron I hear you but everybody is so critical. Truth be told if it wasn’t for the original four that made EnVogue what it was, there possibly wouldn’t be that opportunity for the members that followed. There’s money to be made and why would you prevent Dawn and Max from making money
Tanya Hack If it weren’t for Dawn quitting the group three times and Max leaving on two occasions - the originals might still be together. But they’re not. It is what it is. Dawn cannot handle her business and is she is bitter AF. Maxine tried to hold Terry & Cindy ransom and put the group at risk of being sued because she flat out refused to do shows until she got what she wanted. Maxine CHOSE that same Manager and when she got in her feelings - tried to make Terry & Cindy pay for her to have her own Manager. GTFOH.
I used to want for the originals to get back together so much but the more I see/hear Dawn.., I'm like, forget it. The record company/management messed up from jump.., they should have released 4 songs where they all had the chance to be highlighted but it didn't happen that way. The starting focus was on Cindy and Terry.., especially Cindy. Hold On (Cindy/Terry) - You Don't have to Worry (Cindy)- Don't Go (Terry) then Lies (Dawn/Cindy)... Part of Me, should have been releases as well as Waiting on You but alas, they weren't. It's a true shame because they are still great but they could've been beyind and truly untouchable...
No disrespect but my first intro to En Vogue when I was actually old enough to remember them was EV3 and Dawn was already out. So I always thought it was Max, Terry, and Cindy for the longest until I was old enough to research that the group originated as a quartet. So maybe me being so open minded about Rhona being a part of the group is for that reasoning. I don't mind Rhona in the group. My first intro to Rhona was on MMC and I remember liking her voice a lot. It wasn't until I was older and realized that this was the same new chick in En Vogue. So again, I like every lineup of En Vogue.
Yeah, I remember Rhona from MMC (whenever they showed the Disney Channel for free because my parents wouldn't pay for it 😂😂😂). But I'm old enough to remember when they first came out. I didn't think too much of it when Dawn left honestly, but it's always weird to me when they bring in a non-original member. The show must go on, but at the same time, you gotta give respect to everybody who established the legacy in the first place. There would be no En Vogue without Cindy, Terry, Max, and Dawn. Point blank, period.
I can't help the way feel about this, but I just feel like Rhona Bennett has run her course with the 90's R&B girl group, "En Vogue" too long. She replaced Dawn Robinson and Maxine Jones in 2003, after they were both officially gone. Amanda Cole was replaced Dawn and Maxine for a very, very short time in 2002, Rhona on the other is still with Terry Ellis and Cindy Herron, the two other official members from the very beginning. I want the original EV4 back, with Dawn, Maxine, Terry, and Cindy. My creative idea was maybe it would cool if Rhona and Amanda formed their own R&B girl as a duo. My name idea for them both if they did that, would be "Glamorous".
It's funny you mention the term "Glamorous," because it makes me think of the song they did with Natalia back in 2007. That's the only song I can picture all of them doing as a quintet, with Dawn covering Natalia's leads.
