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Endgame in Lost Ark : Design, effects, Opinions 

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@Jukwol
@Jukwol 7 месяцев назад
Trying to balance audio for headphones and speaker users is the hardset part of all of this, I swear. So until I'm better at editing, lower BGM version for headphone users just in case. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kcfDTpM4XrA.html Sidenote: I wrote in the loose script but forgot to mention the fact you can't really do much else during lobby simulator makes it worse. Like being in group finder and doing chaos dungeon/gr would be pretty damn nice.
@petetam7394
@petetam7394 7 месяцев назад
raid in lost ark do not respect time of player with party wipe, tight dps check on ilevel, support dependent and no resurecction. This pretty much deter all the more casual players just want to have an chill time after a long day of work. The harder the raid the more gatekeeping it is.
@tropicalrubi2
@tropicalrubi2 7 месяцев назад
The only current legion raid that has a tight DPS check is Theamine and it isn't even out in the west yet.
@petetam7394
@petetam7394 7 месяцев назад
@@tropicalrubi2 All of the raid since Valtan always harder at ilevel and getting easier when overgeared. Thats a fact. Best example of this clown, a lot easier and can skip a lot of mech when overgeared.
@mandatorycorpaccount
@mandatorycorpaccount 7 месяцев назад
What DPS checks? there's none until Theamine hard. The thing is that LA raid structure rewards player skill - you take your time to learn the raid (learning here is actually content) and then you can speedrun the raid on ilvl no problems.
@petetam7394
@petetam7394 7 месяцев назад
That is call uptime and you need uptime to bypass these soft dps check. And again like I said the raid is not casual friendly, you can argue all you want about learning pattern or what so ever. The fact that it requires mechanical skil then it is not easy. When I was till playing for example my 1500 toon could out dps many 1540 toons in Brel, or i can do bard solo Valtan this just tell i know pattern , and that “know” pattern needs time to practice and it is not casual friendly.
@tropicalrubi2
@tropicalrubi2 7 месяцев назад
@@petetam7394 That's not a DPS check. That's just overgearing content to alliviate how bad you are at the game.
@ryanc9876
@ryanc9876 7 месяцев назад
When it comes to the "jail isn't bad" point, it really just depends on the type of jail. Gate jail (being stuck trying to find another later gate) is the WORST jail. But being in-game playing isn't the worst thing. I don't complain during learning raids in spite of the many many wipes because it's just more reps--more time to see the boss patterns and get more comfortable dealing with and even finding ways to greed or just react faster. Hell, I even prefer to be at or near entry level just because if it doesn't hurt, do you really learn? But I get it. Not everyone has the time to deal with the re-attempts due to life responsibilities.
@Jukwol
@Jukwol 7 месяцев назад
Yeah I should had specified that I was just talking about trying to advance with the same group.
@ryanc9876
@ryanc9876 7 месяцев назад
@@Jukwol I got what you meant. I was mostly echoing the sentiment that I don't see it as being so bad either..
@CannabinoidFeaver
@CannabinoidFeaver 5 месяцев назад
I completely understand some of the gatekeeping aspects. For example it's good to have some standards (no rainbow stats, lvl 7 gems, 5 engravings - things that should be pretty achievable nowadays especially since books are so cheap) but because of that "I want to have my raids go as fast as possible so I will not take the lvl 7 gem guy and will wait another 10min so a lvl9 gem guy can apply" mentality people were dying to basic Valtan patterns on Extreme. Can't aim him properly on the towers can't dodge his Cone attacks properly, can't survive more than 30 sec in ghost phase, can't do the final transition before ghost properly, just an absolute mess!
@imgonnawinwin3451
@imgonnawinwin3451 7 месяцев назад
with the bussing i agree for brel. as a launch player that used to be in a static, i thought i'd never find myself taking a bus even for my alts, but after powerpassing and seeing how long it takes to fill up a lobby, i just gave up and it's easy to get bussed i'll probably do it again for breaker
@candyy12345
@candyy12345 7 месяцев назад
Stand proud, you are the strongest LA yapper
@GFClocked
@GFClocked 7 месяцев назад
Seems like most of the issues would be resolved if all dps lobbies could just run the raids without supports. ( I said this before, but this really needs to happen) Solo raids for practice and / or some mats to craft the new sets would be great. Or you know how you can do "prokel", marios, well why not have titles for being good at something in the practice raids as proof, you can't bus that title so it would show that you know how the mechs work as proof. Adding raids that aren't higher and higher ilvl would be nice change of pace. (yes yes I know echidna kinda does it, but that's a bit late if you ask me) Being able to schedule like a calendar meeting "xyz role, xyz time" this would be great for prog raids. being able to apply to a bunch of raids all at once would be nice qol. Being able to do other shit while I wait for my raid to fill up would be nice too, like I'd rather wait extra 60 seconds for the dude to finish his guardian than flail around in a 6/8 lobby for an hour or two doing jack sht (yes this actually happened many times during akkan prog recently. I could do all these dailies, but instead I have to scroll tiktok at the desk semi afk waiting for that support to join)
@Jukwol
@Jukwol 7 месяцев назад
Yeah I missed out not mentioning that you can't do much while in lobby sim. Applying to multiple at the same time is something I didn't think about prior though, that could be pretty nice.
@coenvanmeekeren1479
@coenvanmeekeren1479 7 месяцев назад
I allready see applicant max has reached this lobby it would flood every lobby there is. And i think its kinda tricky being accepted while in a chsos dungeon aside from una and rapport theres not much to do during lobby sim.​@@Jukwol
@KarlRamstedt
@KarlRamstedt 6 месяцев назад
In addition to raids being more forgiving to offer learning opportunities for newer players, I'd also very much like to see a reduction in overall playtime. Give me 3 gold earners with more gold per raid. That way I can just skip the gold-only raids on my 4th-6th characters and only run their progression(gear upgrade) raids, with free chests. Less mandatory playtime also means I'd be more willing to risk taking newer players, cuz a jail or 2 won't result in me not having the time to finish all my raids for the week. As it is, the game literally incentivizes gatekeeping, with the threat of reducing your income if you don't gatekeep hard enough.
@Jukwol
@Jukwol 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, imo like, all the mechanics where one person can destroy the entire party should be more hard mode exclusive and normal should be more forgiving for the sake of people willing to take newer players as opposed to "I can't think this guy, he might jail me" . That or they just add an easier mode for newer players, but not quite WoW LFR braindead. But I think that's mostly their goal with solo raids is to ease up the new players and give them a less stressful environment before throwing them in the tank with the sharks. There is a lot of potential for solo raids, so hopefully they don't flub it. As far as the argument of reducing gold earners, it's such a rough fight man. In terms of saving time, it sounds good. But classes are a big part of LOA and I think a lot of people genuinely enjoy a lot of their roster. People who have super committed to their 6 and pushed them would be very angry that 3 of them hold less value now probably.
@KarlRamstedt
@KarlRamstedt 6 месяцев назад
@@Jukwol I'd still play 6 chars. I'd just get free chests on 3 of them and get to do 2 less raids per non-earner (-6 total, so 12 instead of 18 raids), cuz I'd only do the gear progression raid on them(for example Akkan for the mats).
@mandatorycorpaccount
@mandatorycorpaccount 7 месяцев назад
What I want the most is an option to run more raids on main character. It feels really stupid that you spend so much time and resources gearing it up and then you can only run 3 raids a week. Yes you can do lower ilvl raids, but boss there die so fast, so there's no point. Hell mode is a good option, since you have unlimited amount of entries, but it could be hard to find a group and your gear is irrelevant there.
@MostWantedWannaBE
@MostWantedWannaBE 7 месяцев назад
1. I can finish all my raids in 1 day if i focused on it. There are ofcourse people that would have this experience differently. I built my characters to be accepted in good lobbies for pugging so i usually 1tap every raid. IF someone is inexperienced and often finds themselves in lobbies that require multiple restarts it would start weighing on them the time they need. Imagine having 6 clowns and each one of them takes 2 hours instead of 10min... oof 2. Lobby simulator this is a problem mostly for the low geared dps. Supports will always choose the better lobbies. Privilige and all that but it is what it is. Thats why you park usually at a slightly overleveled spot so that supports choose you. 3. I didn't quite get this point. In most mmos i've played it's 8man parties with supports tanks and dps. some games like Lineage 2 you'd have 3 supports a tank and the rest dps. Lineage 2 had an interesting problem with supports, as they would not even participate in the combat many people duo-tripple boxxed them. 4. I addressed this at the slightly overgeared partking spot. You attract better people, you get into better lobbies, you 1tap more consistently, less jailage. When you are learning a raid it's always a jail. But once you are done learning it you want to avoid restarts always. Not only because it makes the raid more fun to manhandle it but because you get to do more stuff with your time in the game. 5. If johnny with lvl 10s apply and jimmy with lvl 5s apply you are taking johnny beacuse there is 1 slot left. Jimmy isn't getting gatekept in this situation. Actual Gatekeeping is very rare and infrequent. People who do complain about gatekeeping don't press the Create lobby button and don't see that the requests fill up almost instantly. 6. Bussing circumvents getting denied for insufficient gear level. It allows you to progress your character without waiting for a lifetime for a low lvl lobby to fill up. it's great for new players watching the fight and understanding it. Its great for veterans that want to get their materials and continue honing 7. The game is hard. It's probably harder than most mmos out there. Without a doubt. Should they make it easier? No! people need to learn that not every piece of content is for them. Thaemine hard will be insane for the casuals so they should sit on normal. But have no doubt that 2 days after release there will be 10 topics on the discord to nerf thaemine the first... lmao 8.all of this will happen eventually. T2 wasn't a passthrough tier before t3 happened. Once we get t4 all the systems in t3 will be trivialized and streamlined. This is our end game it has no reason to be "streamlined" when it's all we have to do for months. 9. dunno about that spicy take, thats just a general learning experience that new players apparently are allergic to. 10. your assumption is correct. Normal will be dead content. Refer to valtan and vykas normal. Even though they are far easier versions, currently NO ONE does them. 11. It's a long term progression MMo and people expect to 100% it in 2 weeks like PoE. What can you tell those people aside from "go play PoE then?"?
@kurabiyecanavar8207
@kurabiyecanavar8207 7 месяцев назад
only thing i hate this game is raid busses. i hope solo raid system gives us materials
@pssa3215
@pssa3215 3 месяца назад
Trash ark has no endgame
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