In addition, no motorbike and car manufacturers tell what's going to cost the replacement of the batteries in a few years... that should be interesting...
Cost of ownership is one of the reasons to buy an electric motorcycle. You guys are just looking at the sticker price (yes, that is much higher). But "fueling" costs are about a 1/10th of a gas bike per mile ridden. Maintenance costs can be zero or at least deferred for a long time. Consumables like tires are probably the most likely things you would buy. Brake pads lasts way longer if you learn to use regen braking. Belts and chains will need replacement but not an expensive thing to replace. Most of the time, it's charge, ride , repeat. BTW, I own a BMW C Evolution electric scooter and several electric cars (BMWs and a Tesla).
Since 'what's the range?'is so frequently asked, let me share my experience. I have the Energica Ribelle as shown in this video in grey. The normal non-RS version. Have it almost a year. Ridden in temperatures just above zero (Celsius) to 30+ Celsius. My commute is 120km round trip. Mostly highway. Usually at the speed limit (100km/h). Sometimes over it with overtaking or when the lane I'm in is just going faster. And I like to accelerate fast because it's just so much fun. That all having said. My 120km round trip brings me back with 20 to 40% charge left. Depending on temperatures and wind condition. I have also done a 450km one day trip. Just to see how that goes with the fast charging. No problem and really fun to do.
Can you really call yourself a biker if it's not straight into full power mode 🤔, unlike some other channels I might add. Yeah top respect chops, keeping it real.
Great post👍🏻. I would buy an electric motorcycle tomorrow, my commute is 12 miles each way. What I would like to see is a "tester", like yourself doing a full test year round through winter, the dirty times, the cold and how it affects the battery, basically how it would stand up to the commute through winter.
If money was no issue i would certainly have an electronic bike as my only bike. I like how quite they are and smooth. At the moment however they are too expensive. This bike looks very impressive great review!
Good to see they're starting to come with cool features other than just being electric. You can justify the expesive cost when they have built in nav/apps, cool gauges/screens, fast charge, etc. Dont forget maintainence amounts to little more than brakes chain & sproks and prob many, many rear tyres, rather than valve clearances and labour.
@@DanTube2010 5 year warranty on most, 7 year warranty on some. This is why finance is the only sensible option. specifically PCP or similar! the mantra is you will own nothing and be happy...
@@Jafmanz Sounds suspiciously just a bit less than the expected lifetime of the battery! But, swappable batteries are on the way and I think it would be a case of paying a monthly fee to use those, so no need to buy a battery.
Interesting vid & a nice review but I'm just not ready for an electric bike yet. I"m focusing on getting as many petrol bikes in the garage as I can before they stop making them!
@@gallaghergibson8024 Not too worried what'll happen in 15 years tbh, as I'd rather live in the here & now. Also do you honestly think they'll stop selling petrol overnight in 15 years? The amount of combustion engines that will be around means they'll still be selling plenty of petrol until 2040 at least I would imagine.
It's going to happen, so we will have to embrace it at some point I suppose. I'd have one now as a commuter if they were 50% cheaper. 20k + for a pretty basic bike to be abused through all seasons is way too expensive. The lack of internal combustion engine noise is going to be sorely missed. I suppose we will just have to be grateful that we got to experience them when we did.
This was a very cool post, Chopsy. I have wanted to see straight up rider review on the Energica and no one better than you to deliver it. I gotta say, it's an impressive bike for sure.
This fuel "shortage" has highlighted what's it would be like to own a battery powered electric vehicle. Can I get there and back on one charge. Where can I get a charge? It'll take 40 minutes to get a charge? I hope the charging point has charge available. Can you imagine all that, and on top of it all you'll need the right app and hope there isn't a queue at the charge point on top of your charging time. I'll certainly never be buying an electric vehicle run by batteries until I'm forced, either economically or politically. Hydrogen powered fuel cells for an electric vehicle would be a different kettle of fish!
Imagine if it was the other way around, going from electricity to fuel. Sorry, your home is no longer your charge/fuel point, you have to drive to a station and pay 80% more.
@@jamsxr I live on the sixth floor of a block of flats. I'm sure when everyone is using electric vehicles the price of electricity will remain the same. The government certainly won't want to recoup any loss in fuel revenue and the companies won't need to recover any investment costs for rewiring the entire country.
@@mrcintheuk5596 I’m not saying it’s perfect now, when the car first arrived it was reserved exclusively for the wealthy, these things take time. We certainly can’t rely on the government to make it work!
Not ready to be in a world where I wouldn’t hear my KTM 890 Duke r with its full Arrow exhaust. But I have spanked a Sur-Ron a bit and they’re a whole lot of fun to ride!
I'm just not sold on electric vehicles.....they've got no character and most importantly the infrastructure is just not there. If motorcycle companies are going to go full electric then they should produce a universal removable battery 🔋, meaning that when your battery is low you pull in to your nearest garage/fuel stop and just swap batteries (a bit like a cordless drill) then off you go.....no waiting around. Completely agree with your sentiments Chops 👍 Awesome video again mate...thanks 👏
The economics of swappable batteries are completely irrational. If you own the spare and swap out at home, that might work, but no provider could possibly make money on offering the facility. As for "character," well, OK boomer, but that's entirely subjective. There's nothing material or measurable about that statement. What you really mean is, "I like what I like and this isn't it." Which, fine, but the world is moving to EVs whether you like it or not. Why? Because tackling climate change and eliminating the disease and death caused by emission of particulate matter is far more important than your nebulous preference. By the way, the infrastructure absolutely is there. You have electricity supplied to every home and business in the country. The same electricity that's used to power whatever device you've used to pass comment here can be used to power any EV. If you were to start from scratch, solar/wind/battery would already be far cheaper than building out refineries and filling stations, which, while I mention it, how's the performance of THAT been recently? The only thing keeping the ridiculous current system in place is that the current fleet is built to be compatible with it. The fleet will switch over, and the infrastructure that's currently in place will be dismantled.
@@gallaghergibson8024 Unfortunately, this recent iteration of EV is simply a fad that will fade. Building high performance EV vehicles for everyone, unfortunately, is as unsustainable as fossil fuels. But if EVs were not made to be "high performance," no one would actually be interested in them.
Cheers LCs. First time I've warmed to an electric bike. They are getting there. Once the battery technology is sorted in terms of cost, weight, range and charge time these will take off big time. Let's hope our masters don't over-do the regulation. ATVB.
I like this bike it’s well made good looking isn’t spewing poison out the back charging to 80% according to Spicy 110 time to enjoy a coffee ☕️ while charging and makes a cool noise on road and looks amazing to ride it is expensive but in time that will improve sign me up I wouldn’t miss my Africa Twin 🤭👍👍👍👍
If they can crack them out for 10-15k there’s a big market. Motors and electronics are cheap- much cheaper than making a combustion engine, far fewer parts. Will just take time.
Even the batteries are not that expensive to justify these prices. I've bought 1kwh batteries from aliexpress for £130 that work great I'm my ebike conversions. Prices should come down substantially once manufacturer volumes increase, to the point where electric is much cheaper than ice
Great review, I couldn’t help thinking what kind of bike you could buy for £20k and have £5k left to spend on fuel, that’s a load of mileage no matter what of bike you bought.
Ultimately it will be the ‘off the line of a Harley , bottom end of GS, midrange of an Aprilia V4 , top end of a Moto GP bike, the finest adjustable traction control, wheelie control and regenerative braking. The next technology of batteries will be a complete game changer. Half the weight, twice the capacity……..
The bike is nice and I'm not against electric except for the damn whining noise and range.. The electric network and infrastructure is simply so far off being able to sustain everyone using electric it's just funny even thinking about.. I'll just stick to my superduke!!
@@raulmorell7540 He's saying it's far off. I'm saying no it's not, the cost to switch over is far lower on the upfront than the perception and far lower to run once it's built out. Could be done in 24 months if the state didn't depend on tax receipts from fossil fuels. There's no shortage of electricity to run far more EVs than are currently part of the fleet. He's peddling a misperception.
@@gallaghergibson8024 He talking about the time and money it would take to put all of the electric charging points in place across the whole of the UK aka the infrastructure and enough of them so that everybody could use them when needed and hes right were very far off that I live in a large city and there still not widely available here it would take years because they would need to phase out fossil fuels slowly as to give people time to switch and with the current cost of EVs thats not feasible. hes not talking about the cost of producing the electricity.
Basically the idea of electric vehicles is good and the tech will only get better BUT to introduce charging availability at homes as well as garages etc is way further off than I think the government or public realise.. I work in the electricity industry and the majority of the network was installed 70 years ago, most of which struggles to keep up with the current demand and let alone the increased pressure of most households charging up 1,2 or 3 vehicles.. New upgraded cables and substations will be needed everywhere to cope..
Great balanced review, says a lot though that I held off watching this for a while. Electric bikes 🏍 need to be a bit better (lighter and cheaper) for me, like you say we need a few years. Charging in large parts of the country just doesn’t exist yet. Can be a bit frustrating.
Sounds like a Jet! getting back on a petrol bike after 1 of these is absolutely agricultural with all the noise, vibration and levers, these e-bikes twistngo like hell, yet the power delivery is so smooth and controllable.
They have to be price and performance competitive to interest me. I'll miss the sound of the ICE, but only when I'm riding. If we get to a stage where every vehicle is that much quieter it'll be a huge improvement. One of the great things about getting out of an urban environment.
I’m not sure they have actually announced the date when conventional motorcycles can’t be sold in the UK. The last i saw on MCN was 2035 earliest but no firm date yet. Did I miss something? Just checking…..
Definitely sounds like a reasonable alternative now that you can give it a full charge in the same time it takes to drive around looking for a gas station that have any petrol left... 😆
Straight to the bits we want to know about Chops 👍 no messing about, they’re not for me I’m afraid petrol will just about see me out. That said, range and charge times seem to be getting there and it’s definitely got some punch.
interesting step forward. I like it. price - yes not cheap but there are plenty of petrol bikes out there not far off that, and some that are more. sound - doesn't bother me. how long before they offer "sound enhancement". don't some of the cars already do that? charging - totally fine in terms of time. it's just about how fast infrastructure can catch up. with infrastructure, I'd buy one.
Great review Chops…… my concern is how we’re going hellbent down the electric route which is not without it’s environmental issues , without much consideration for other options (synthetic fuels etc)
It does have a sound though; an annoying chain noise. Perhaps a better idea would be using a belt. And are those zip ties on the handlebars to keep cables in place? Not very premium is it?
I will be interested when its below 10k new but i fear i dont have that long to live Never mind i will have to ride my old FZ1 a little longer, one thing i didnt hear you say Chopsie was how much does that 20 min charge cost compared to a full tank of petrol
I dont think I could ever give up my petrol guzzler for an electric powered machine. It's the sound of a bike bouncing of the redline. And don't get me started on 2strokes the smell of them is pure bliss. The day petrol engined bikes are banned from the roads I will give up biking, I just wouldn't be able to ride one of these glorified sewing machines on wheels.
Very nice, they are getting better, especially the looks, it is the future unfortunately, range has got to improve! I'd be a little worried touring around Scotland, two up, with luggage?
A V4 howl, a V twin rumble, a crossplane roar or an electric whine? Still no contest. Not for me chopsy, if these are the future then I’m happy to remain rooted in the past.
You won't have a choice from 2035 onwards, as Euro regulations will squeeze internal combustion bikes out of existence. Sure you can ride your old petrol bike, but by 2035 you'll find it harder and harder to find a petrol station to power your petrol powered bike as stations are progressively closed down. I use to be doubtful about Electric bikes as well but as Teapotene said, Electric bikes are the future and they are coming whether you like it or not.
@@kimw200blaze4 It's a SCAM electric vehicles do more harm and batteries can not be recycled, so as soon as petrol bikes are banned it will be time to hang my leathers up
@@Dp3.16 Oh well don't ride. I'll be continuing to ride and I'll be enjoying myself just as much on an Electric bike, as my current internal combustion engine bike, that I ride today.
@@kimw200blaze4 Are you an astroturfer? You work for National Grid? Why are you fearmongering? No-one is going to find it hard to find a petrol station in many decades. Also that 2035 date and other anti-science, totally corrupt policies such as that are easily withdrawn when sanity prevails (and hopefully the corrupt are in jail). Biofuels and e-fuels don't cause any more CO2 emissions than EVs. Hell, even fossil fuel driven ICE cars are lower in CO2 emissions in all the millions of cases where the vehicle is driven less than average amount of miles/km per year. Or simply just compare a lightweight frugal car and an aluminium Tesla with its huge battery and in MOST cases the ICE car is lower in CO2 emissions. And all hybrids too. Societies will simply not manage the trillions and trillions of extra costs the crazy and totally nonsensical plan of forcing all cars to be switched to EVs would cause.
@@pistonburner6448 I used to think like you but Governments are going to accelerate the transition to EV very quickly. It's going to be a lot quicker than what you think. They have Norway as the model as to how it can be done. The electrification of transport is going to happen a lot quicker than what people think.
Another great video, and an impressive bike 👌 As impressed as I was by some time on a Zero SRS (apologies, going off subject slightly there) I do wonder how people who are currently forced to run low cost (petrol and diesel) vehicles - due to funds - are going to make the transition to electric cars and motorcycles. Of course the prices may fall in the years before this happens, and the used market may have more options. A load of time and money is going into these machines, my concern is for those of us who won't have the funds to own one when we reach the government's deadline. Could I live with an electric bike? Yes, I think I could. Will I miss the sound of a petrol powered bike? Very much.
really nice bike but £25 grand wow, for me there needs to be some noise for safety more than anything, also how long many years will the battery last, it would be a massive cost if it only lasts 10 years or so
25k is crazy money. You'd get 3 brilliant second hand motorbikes for that. When and only when these are competitively priced AND have at least 200klms genuine range and sub 10 minutes charging time will i consider one.
Yes comparing it to cheap used bikes is reasonable. Hey- compare it to comparable BMWs, Ducs and (non comparable) Harleys - like magic they're the same or higher price. How did that happen!!!!
Looking very promising. Will need much more range for Australia though. I think I'll be getting one more petrol bike as a ride/show of the past then on to electric one they have like 500km range.
Good honest review. Electric probably is the future, but not at current prices and limitations of the batteries. Huge rollout of charging infrastructure needs to happen before they can be seen as a viable option. Lovely looking bike allt he same, probably the nicest of all electrics. 👍
Spicy's ribelle was £30k. Hope they don't depreciate that fast in a week 😜 People bang on about range needs to improve etc... They're wrong petrol / diesel tanks are also range limited.... Game changer is the recharge times which is making everyday use and petrol equivalent comparison fair, I think the manufacturers have been putting there energies into recharge times as they're getting quicker. Speed and power isn't such a difficult but to crack.
Nice lookin bike Chopsy, impressive stats.. But too expensive just now. Also way too quiet, I get the silence and being able to hear the running water and birdsong and all that soul feeding stuff in the country.. But we struggle to be seen/noticed by others as it is.. Also, a 20 min charge every 100 miles or so??.. That would kill the experience of a tour or long day out for me. Look at the current queueing based on a 2 min petrol fill..( pre the current fuel delivery shortages) Imagine the queues based on at least 20 mins... Nice enough bike with impressive stats, but I'm still not convinced just yet.. The whole concept, especially ' fuelling' still has a long way to go for me.. Thank for the Johnny 5 comparison btw.. Can't see anything else now, good job I like him...😆 Bit like the goggles/ dash comparison with the Tracer 9.. It's getting there but not just yet.. 👍
Lamb Chops have you tested the live wire? Can’t remember if you have 🤔 If you have how do this compare to that as more of a comparison in price and spec
Well beautifull bike and yes range and charging are getting there. Dont forget that on charging you are dealing with a curve so no fullspeed charging across all 100% of its capacity really. Also that price is still ridiculous if they can cut that in half it may get interesting for average people. Untill then no thanks but thanks !
They are very expensive, but I’d definitely recommend getting a test ride. If you just want something for a quick blast the Zero supermoto is a lot of fun. Half the range and power/torque (and price) but very light and flickable, and still quick.
The future of electric motorcycles; Standard sized swappable batteries. Plug-n-play. Doesn't work for cars because the batteries are too big, but a bike can have 2 or 3 swappable batteries which gets them down to a manageable briefcase size and gives you range/weight options too.
Torque is directly related to acceleration BUT . . . and it's a big but . . .the Rocket 3 has a gearbox!!! The Energica with its fixed ratio probably puts down less than 25% of the torque of the Rocket at the rear wheel when the Rocket is in first gear which is why the Rocket will leave the Energica for dead, as well many sportsbikes with half the "engine" torque of the Energica. I do like these things though and I am tempted as a second bike but it's the life expectancy and cost of batteries which put me off. It's a watching brief for me . . . . .
There are three major problems facing electric vehicles that don't make them a long term viable option. First, there is the simple fact there are not enough natural resources available to make them in sufficient numbers. The second is they are far too expensive for the majority and the prices are not going to come down anytime soon, and thirdly, the infrastructure needed to recharge them will cost billions to construct. There is another option that avoids the above and it is the hydrogen fuelled internal combustion engine. With a few minor changes these vehicles can be produced for the same cost as current vehicles and with a turbo fitted along with an efficient catalytic converter, all that comes out of the exhaust is water vapour. Large scale hydrogen production facilities are currently being planned and built. Power stations are not. There will always be a market for electric vehicles, but for the majority of the worlds population, the future is hydrogen, not electricity.
1. What resources are we talking about? Plenty of Lithium, and Cobalt use is being significantly reduced as battery research advances. We might not even be using Lithium or Cobalt in a few years time for vehicle batteries. 2. They are more expensive than equivalent petrol/diesel vehicles, but prices are coming down steadily. There are expensive EVs, as there are expensive petrol vehicles, but the lower price end is reducing. They are also very cheap to run and maintain, which many people don’t take into account when comparing value. 3. By charging infrastructure, if you mean the grid, then you need to take into account the massive benefit electric vehicles will have to it, with smart charging and vehicle to grid, where power goes both ways, and they are used to balance/flatten the peaks and troughs in daily supply. Millions of EVs is a lot of potential storage (no pun intended). 4. Hydrogen is made from either natural gas, or very inefficiently from splitting water with electricity. If you burn Hydrogen as a fuel, you also get NOx, it’s only in fuel cells where you get water as the only waste product, and fuel cells vehicles are effectively EVs with smaller batteries. You may see heavy machinery and lorries etc using Hydrogen with fuel cells, but I’d be very surprised if it’s commonly used in passenger cars or bikes. If there is eventually enough excess electricity produced renewably to use in large scale electrolysis, then you may see it in smaller vehicles, but tbh, by the time that happens, battery technology may well have advanced to the point where there would be very little point.
If anything EV prices are going up £25000 for a what looks to me to be a moderately built ADV style bike is stupid especially when you compare it to say a Tracer 9 GT which is literally half the price
@@BN1960 I freely admit EV bike prices are very high, but all EV car prices were high to start with as well. Hopefully bikes will go the same way as cars and we'll start getting some really good ones that aren't ridiculously expensive. However, these days bikes are in a very different place to were they were 20+ years ago, and with the swing to them being more solely for leisure, we may not see them dipping quite as low as cars proportionately. 14 more years of new sales and decades more on the used/custom/classic scene is still quite a long time to enjoy them, and tbh, a lot can change in that time.
For people like me who like to listen to music while riding, a quiet electric bike will be an awesome experience. Engine sound is phantastic for the first two hours, but if you ride the whole day it can become tiresome.
After watching the full video,to do a tour of the French alps from cumbria with the range this bike has got I would have to set a side 2 months,and I would av to find a big thick lolly pop stick to drown out the sound of a milk float. 😄
I’ve just looked at the website. 0-60 in 2.6 seconds claimed. Woooooo. And they are offering HP at under £170 a month. Now if you normally spend £50 a week on petrol that’s almost a free bike, if you get what I mean.
I just wish electric bikes used a small amount of that power to make some kind of noticeable noise, I believe this is going to become the law for future electric vehicles though once thats in place and the cost isn't so astronomical like it is currently id happily consider one. Obviously il do my best to keep my triumph 1200 scrambler but if needs musts and those 2 conditions are met id go electric.
