Ep 18: SHOULD WINGS BE IN THE RNR HALL OF FAME? 

So great to see that Mr. Mayo is back! Can`t wait to watch!

Wings definitely belongs in the RnR HOF! Look at all the recent mediocre inductees that shouldn’t have been inducted in the first place!

I agree with Ken, I am always shocked that at Beatlefest even the number of fans under 30 that are largely clueless about the success of Wings and even the other Solo Beatles. Very sad, they are losing out. I would lead them to the Archive series and just do a deep dive into some of these amazing albums!

I say yes! It was conceived as a band, doesn't matter how many lineups they had, for the most part The albums came out under the name of wings so I always viewed those as band albums. From wildlife through back to the egg, to me it is a band, The Only Reason it comes Under Fire is because one member, most bands usually have one member that stands out it just so happens but this band has Paul McCartney.

"Junior's Farm" is my fave Wings song - could've been a Beatles song

Mayo is back. Yea!!!!!!!

Other than Denny Laine who the heck is Wings? The line up changed every couple albums. Paul solo has been inducted that’s all you need that about covers it

They Should Be Into the Rock n' Roll Hall Of Fame :) Paul, Linda, Denny Laine, Jimmy, Joe, Steve, Laurence :)

As usual, had a great time on this video chat. Thanks to Joe for letting me know in advance about his upcoming appearance on this show

Most definitely. Always great hearing and seeing Joe. Wings was one of the biggest bands of the 1970’s. No debate, that is a fact! Happy about the next batch of Paul remasters except for Wings Over America which is redundant(already an Archive reissue). Amoeba is the cream of the group!

I really enjoyed this talk show.

BTW: I'm here enjoying the show due to a Mayo channel link - thanks, joe

GREETINGS FROM TEXAS I WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL WHEN THEY CAME OUT..JIMMY MCCOLGH THE GUTARISY WAS REALLY GREAT AND HE SANG AS WELL ON SOME SONGS IN THE BAND.. YES...THEY SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME GOD BLESS YOU ALL...I WAS BORN IN NYC AND REMEBER WPLJ VERY WELL WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE STATIONS

Venus and Mars is a good solid album. Paul was accused of treating his band members as side men, but I believe it was the first incarnation of the band.

GREAT SHOW. YES WINGS SHOULD BE IN THE ROCK HALL OF FAME.

Great discussion!

Wings were massive in both UK and USA.Many groups who are inducted weren't successful in UK ,Kiss,Chicago etc.Wings definitely should be honoured.I would argue Paul's 80s albums would have been better if Wings had recorded them

Yes. So many lineups but each member who joined Wings gave distinct sounds to the records.

hey kit and gentelmen...i know this video is over a year old (i'm trying to catch up ever since i met kit)...but i wish i was part of this discussion because i grew up in new york with the beatles invading america in the 60's, the break up and subsequent solo avenues, and the idea of wings in the hall of fame is a curious one...when most people, including people like us, talk about the years after the break up, we usually refer to them as their solo years, not paul's new band years and the other three guys as well... however...i do feel that wings was legitimately a band, despite it basically being a threesome with other musicians....having said that though...i have been in bands all my life, and while playing clubs in new york in the 70's and seeing other acts at that time, you would often hear bands playing lennon solo material, some even harrison...but rarely any mccartney (perhaps live and let die, but that had the gravitas of james bond behind it)...true, wings had alot of hits, but paul himself never received much of the respect from fellow musicians that the others did (including ringo)...when you mention paul mccartney to moist people, if they actually know who he is, they'll usually laugh and mention his duet with michael jackson or start singing goofy 'someone's knockin' at the door...let 'em him', making fun of it rather than taking his music very seriously.... and i think that is the bigger discussion...even if wings are considered a band, would they ever be considered worthy of being in the hall of fame....personally, with all the more obvious name bands that have yet to make it in, i really don't think wings stands much of a chance...(until maybe when paul eventually leaves us)....on that note...peace to one and all....rocky

Denny Laine as a member of Wings deserves a place in Hall of Fame. Not sure how they would do that. Linda too, but that would never happen

Did Moody Blues go on to release albums after Denny Laine left? Did Wings go on after Paul left? Which was the more cohesive group?

The Reasons, whe Wings should be Into the Rock n roll hall of fame. Wings was a supergroup, not Paul McCartney's backing band The Note you Never Wrote (Lead Vocal: Denny Laine) (Music By Paul McCartney) Spirits of Ancient Egypt (Lead Vocal: Denny Laine) (Music By Paul McCartney) I Lie Around (Lead Vocal: Denny laine) (Music By Paul McCartney) Picasso’s Last Words (Lead Vocal: Denny laine) (Music By Paul McCartney) Getting Closer (Lead Vocal: Denny laine) (Music By Paul McCartney) Richard Cory (Lead Vocal: Denny laine) (Music By Paul Simon) Go Now (Lead Vocal: Denny laine) (Music By Larry Banks / Milton Bennet) Again And Again And Again (Music / Lead Vocal: Denny laine) Time To Hide (Music / Lead Vocal: Denny laine) I Would Only Smile (Music / Lead Vocal: Denny laine) Children Children (Music / Lead Vocal: Paul McCartney - Denny laine) Deliver Your Children (Music / Lead Vocal: Paul McCartney - Denny laine) Don’t Let It Bring You Down (Music / Lead Vocal: Paul McCartney - Denny laine) London Town (Music: Paul McCartney - Denny laine) Mouse Moose and The Grey Goose (Music / Lead Vocal: Paul McCartney - Denny laine) Mull Of Kintyre (Music: Paul McCartney - Denny laine) No Words (Music / Lead Vocal: Paul McCartney - Denny laine) Send Me The Heart (Music / Lead Vocal: Paul McCartney - Denny laine) Rainclouds (Music: Paul McCartney - Denny laine, Lead Vocal: Paul McCartney) Silly Love Songs (Lead Vocal: Paul and Linda McCartney - Denny laine) Wino Junko (Lead Vocal: Jimmy McCulloch) Music By: Jimmy McCulloch / Colin Allen Medicine Jar (Lead Vocal: Jimmy McCulloch) Music By: Jimmy McCulloch / Colin Allen Oriental Nightfish - (Music / Lead Vocal: Linda McCartney) Wide Prairie - (Music / Lead Vocal: Linda McCartney) New Orleans - (Music / Lead Vocal: Linda McCartney) Love’s Full Glory - (Music / Lead Vocal: Linda McCartney) I Got Up - (Music / Lead Vocal: Linda McCartney) Seaside Woman - (Music / Lead Vocal: Linda McCartney) Cook Of The House - (Music / Lead Vocal: Linda McCartney) Must Do Something About It (Lead Vocal: Joe English)

Agree that whether Wings was a band and whether they belong in HOF two separate questions.

I don't think so. First of all, I think Wings is one aspect of Paul's post Beatles induction. Wings was, for the most part, a vehicle for Paul's music no matter what he tried to make of Wings. As Paul went, Wings went. End of story. Also, there were too many line ups in too short a time period for Wings as it's own entity in the Rock Hall to make sense. Also, much of what was released under Wings was very uneven and inconsistent. Out of the 7 albums released I would say maybe only 2 albums are really, really good. However, there were the great hits and singles. For this, I do feel that if there ever was a Paul McCartney solo exhibit Wings should definitely be mentioned with all of the different members and line ups year by year be noted. This I think would be the only way Wings should be in the Rock Hall. Hell, I don't even think Ringo belongs in the rock hall as a solo artist but that's a whole other can of worms.

Wouldn’t it be redundant to induct Paul McCartney and also Wings in the Hall? How do you distinguish them apart?? But I do think 🤔 based on the quality of the albums “Band on the run” and “Venus & Mars” they should be inducted.

If you ask any fan to list their top 10 McCartney albums they will always include Wings albums but they will never include Beatles albums, meaning that they regard the Beatles as a true band and Wings as a Paul McCartney project, therefore I would say no to the induction into the R&R Hall of Fame.

Great topic. E Street Band, whose members were pretty consistent throughout a much greater span of time would be perfect example of backing band that belongs in hall of fame.

Is George currently the most popular solo Beatle?

You guys should talk about The Beatles meeting the rock band, Chicago. Peter Cetera meeting Paul and Linda McCartney in 1976 and Ringo meeting Chicago drummer, Danny Seraphine in 1978.

watching this again reminds me of a 'conversation' i recently had with tom about paul and wings....i personally feel wings was a band...and my point was that, all of you guys, and others on youtube, talk about paul's 'solo' work and you always include wings material...rank his best solo songs or albums, band on the run always shows up...even your shows have taglines like 'a solo beatles video' or a 'solo paul-centric show'...so if you expect wings to be taken seriously as a band, you have to refer to these shows as 'post beatle' rather than solo...if you do a solo review of his work, you have to exclude wings material....just a truth...peace to all...rocky

Primary criteria for HOF is: can money be made off selling back-catalog?

Simply said - Yes! Although, I believe the name should be changed from the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame to the Music HOF with subsection's e.g. the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame... Even Macca questioned the veracity of it's name when compared to some of it's inductees

There are 2 versions of this video. One with no live pics of you guys.

In my opinion, no, because their output was too inconsistent. They started out slow, hit it out of the park with Band on the Run, then after that it was up and down until they disintegrated.

"Richard Cory" live cover by Denny Laine & Wings featuring Lovely Linda and her husband is really cool

The Jeff Beck Group(s) (all of them, but especially the first few iterations) have a far higher claim to being a) a real group, in the sense of roughly equal collaborators-especially the version with Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Aynsley Dunbar, and b) highly influential on the larger musical landscape. In their early days, they were on par with the Yardbirds and Led Zeppelin in terms of influence and notoriety and musical talent. And they aren’t in the Hall of Fame either, although Beck is in twice, and most of its various members are separately for other reasons, as Denny is for the Moodys.

Wings was Paul’s backing band, and arguably had less input in the direction of Paul’s work than some of his later sidemen/collaborators. Having said that, I believe there is a “sidemen” category at RHOF that should apply.

Wings in Hall I say no because they had to many band line ups. Paul solo I think is enough. I would rather see the Monkees.

If Wings should be in the RHOF, then so should Traveling Wilburys. As I listen in hindsight, especially the album “Wings at The Speed of Sound” and then I listen to Traveling Wilburys, it seems to me that George achieved with the Wilburys what Paul tried to with Wings...but with guitarists and drummers just staying 1 or 2 years then leaving, it just never reached that”high” yes it was “pop” but as a band, Wings just became just part of Paul’s solo career rather than a legit band.

Thanks Joe for letting me know about this podcast although I can't agree with your decision! In 1975-76 Wings were one of, if not the biggest band in the World. What does it matter that they had line up changes - they deserve their place in R&R HOF so go ahead and induct the 1975/76 line up, it's well deserved.

As members of TMT have said, there's a radical difference between all incarnations of Wings and Paul in the early-to-mid Eighties. Even the soft rock styling of Wings at the Speed of Sound and the folkier material on London Town had more of an edge than the over-produced, overly poppy and "mellow" material on Tug of War and Pipes of Peace. Press to Play was nothing at all like Wings, and it wasn't till 1989 and Flowers in the Dirt that Paul got great guitar based rock onto his albums again.

wings just seemed like paul's THING after the beatles to me. i was born in 89. my mom got wingspan when it came out and that's how i saw it as

I thought his Hamish Stuart line-up were a band too

Nobody ever called Wings a supergroup.

Yes. Wings should be in the Hall. No question.

"nice' background Ken Michaels - LOL

To all people who said NO, remember Electric Light orchestra was Jeff Lynne and a bunch of musicians! And here they are in the Hsll of fame!!!!!!! Yes Wings deserve it, Ringo is in there for God sake and what he does what? Ringo album, Goodnight Vienna....

I think that Wings were a more than just Paul's backing band. Look at his artistic decline in the eighties with Pipes of Peace, Give My Regards to Broad Street and Press to Play (he got back on the up after that!) . As a Brit, I ask whether the Hall of Fame is becoming redundant? As Mr Mayo pointed out at the start it does seem as though anyone is getting in there, Rock and Roll or not! I would laugh if Clapton got in with either Blind Faith or Derek and the Dominoes. Those collaborations only made one album each, and yes you has Layla but, good as each album was they were hardly earth shattering in my opinion. So I would say , Yes, let Wings in, and the Monkees!

Don't really care that the Russian album has only 11 tracks. It's an addition to the collection...it's not gonna replace anything.

Was there at all a factor to Paul hiring Denny lane that he rhymed with "penny lane"

Giving Grease a Ride is a great track from McGear. Sounds like T-Rex.

Paul McCartney, Paul McCartney and wings one and the same to me.

Should Paul & Linda McCartney be in the Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame? Should Lumpy Trousers be in the Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame? Should The Fireman or Twin Freaks be in the Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame?

They're not in the Hall of Fame?! Jeez. Yes.

Kudo's to Macca for working so hard however, as a businessman, he sure as learned to market and even 'milk' a product to almost gluttoness proportions

The Beastie Boys are in, but The Monkees, Jethro Tull, Johnny Maestro, and many more aren't....sorry, but in my opinion Rap is not got anything to do with rock n roll.....I agree with Ken...Wings should be in the HOF

Hi. Wings should definitely be in the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame. On the other hand, Paul is already in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. But considering Wings being that succesfull, they should have been inducted. The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should be an exclusive Club, and it isn't anymore. The Wings various line-ups from 1972 up to 1977 was a real band. Of course Paul directed the whole thing. That's what he did in The Beatles as well from 1967 up till the split. The later Wings line -up from 1979 was Paul, Linda, Denny and the other 2, Steve Holley and Laurence Juber. In my opinion they were not that tight as the mid 70ties line-up. Holley and Juber were sidemen. I am glad that there are no bonus tracks on CHOBA B CCCP. Like you said it was originally only released in Russia. But, we all got a copy of it, this new one will be remastered. If some bonus tracks have to be released, it would have been nice if they would be released on a bonus 45RPM. Wings Over America is the same version and remaster from 2011. The only difference is that it is on coloured vinyl. And yes ...... the music, you're listening to when you grow up, has the highest impact on your music experience in your later years. As a backing band ........ it is a laugh, if Wings would be inducted. Wings was too big for just calling them a backing band. You cannot compare Wings to the E Street Band But, in my humble opinion, The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is a joke nowadays. Everyone has a chance to get in. Like I said before, it should be for the elite bands or artists, that has meant something in music. Maybe my meaning depends on not digging today's music. I am stuck in the 60ties and 70ties, with some exceptions from later years.

As much as McCartney tried to pass off Wings as a full-fledged band, in reality he was a solo artist with a backing band - much the same way he was a solo artist in the late '80s/early '90s with a backing band - only in the latter case, he was admitting to being a solo artist. And like most backing bands, the lineup of Wings was in constant flux, with only Linda McCartney and Denny Laine being constants. This would make it a hard sell to induct any of the other members, and Paul's already in the hall twice.

No, Paul is in. Paul was Wings

NOT SURE OF HIS NAME..THE MAN ON THE RIGHT BUT HE LOOKS LIKE HE IS OF IRISH ITALIAN DECENT ….HE MUST OF BEEN GOOD LOOKING ..STILL IS

I don't Wings as a backing band belongs in the Hall of Fame. They had 3 distinct lineups, one or two albums each, not enough material per lineup. Denny Laine, Linda and Paul were the only constants all the way through. I don't think Steve Holley or Laurence Juber as members of Wings (one album) deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. Same with the other lineups.

Maybe wings should have been inducted, and not Paul. Wings had way more hits call my was the name he was working under, where's the 80s material and Beyond has either been Paul by himself or working with Superstar musicians or Studio musicians. One more point to be made it wings that is the discussion topic not twin freaks, the fireman or even rockestra. I consider those as being projects and not bands. I say Wings is knocking at the door let them in!

The Hall is becoming a joke. It’s more about not offending anybody etc.