They turn an apocalyptic manipulative king high on psychodelics and full into human sacrifices and magic into a mix of Ragnar, Jack Sparrow and a D&D ork
Knowing all this now only makes the TV show hurt even more. To think that Euron Greyjoy could have been one of the most effective and horrifying screen villains ever...
The actor really tried. I think if the script hadn't been total shit, he could have pulled it off. I bet dude even thought he could go all out super unhinged and all he got was a finger in the bumb. Kind of like how Hayden Christensen did as well as he could as Anakin. Fucking no one could have pulled off either characters with that horrible script
@@MariaC497 I don't have anything against the actor and he definitely did his best with what he was given, but I don't think he would have been right for a more book accurate version of Euron.
Ugh god that would be hard to read. I do believe that she'd be deeply attracted to him, given her past romantic history. Maybe they'll get married in Winds, and things would go from bad to worse.
Dany is still more or less a child, has a weakness for pretty boys, and Euron is known for being good at manipulating people, especially young women (eg Falia Flowers, who is very close to Dany in age, and her fate may reflect Dany’s fate if she allows her teenage girl brain to lead her to trust Euron
If the Great empire of the Dawn was indeed a dragon empire, then it makes sense that they married brother to sister, just as the Valyrians did. This would mean that the amethyst empress and the bloodstone emperor aren't only siblings, they're married. Meaning Nissa Nissa was indeed the wife of Azor Ahai.
Small Point: Euron wants to marry Dany, who is parallel to the amethyst empress. The amethyst empress was killed by her brother. Valyrians marry brother to sister.
Yes the parallels line up pretty well. And the conclusion would be that Euron wants Dany to use her for blood magic, a la Nissa Nissa / Amethyst Empress
I've been reading Lovecraft and this passage slapped me in the face: "...[Cthulhu statues] yielded simultaneous pictures of an octopus, a dragon, and a human caricature [...] A pulpy, tentacled head surmounted a grotesque and scaly body with rudimentary wings." Call of Cthulhu. I've been aware of Cthulhu for ages from pop culture exposure, but never the descriptive association with dragons. I think Euron's metaphorical (or metatextual goal) is to wake/summon Cthulhu by wedding the Kraken with the Dragon. Not that we are going to see the guy, but I think the plot is GRRM winking at him.
The part about the bloodstone emperor being azor ahai and the amethyst empress being nissa nissa. Made me think the tradition of valerians wedding there siblings comes from the bloodstone emperor and amethyst empress possibly being married, the way the legend say azor ahai was married to nissa nissa.
The breakdown of how Euron could be Urrathon Night Walker because of how he compares to Urrathon GoodBrother is exactly the sort of thing I come to this channel for. Great work as always LML.
Agreed I always thought it one of the creepiest things in asoiaf, more so cause I can imagine someone in history doing something like this. Like sure euron is terrifying and kinda full of magic but the Silence creeped me out cause it was the most non magical part about him. Just a boat that is horrifying just by reputation which it lives up to. It’s literally a ship sailed by eurons little cruelties (little in comparison), he cut their tongues because the noise irritated him, it’s painted red not to have to wash the bloodshed. By itself the ship is nightmare fuel but it’s one of the smallest aspects of Euron which given the rest of him just raises his entire character to new levels of terrifying
Euron is my most anticipated plotline. I blame humanity's natural morbid curiosity, but I'm also intensely intrigued by the history and magic (leading to potential godhood) that Euron is wrapped up in. He is worldbuilding, in a sense. I think he'll show the limits of magic and power in ASOIAF.
I think GRRM is going to absolutely go to town with his version of Lovecraftian nightmare when Euron does whatever he's going to do at Oldtown. I'm *really* looking forward to it, but in a "look at a car crash" way, sorta. It's gonna be fucked up
I hope he ends up as the overall main villain, if not him, it'll probably be the Great Other which I believe is going to be the book version of the Night King.
What really nails it for me is Mel, she sees truthful visions in her flames, but is just terrible at working out what they actually mean. She says, "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone." As you mentioned, the red star has bled, Euron is literally gathered darkness (in all his finery), his armour is described as being like smoke, and he's sailing on literal salt with a horn that binds dragons ... if he doesn't claim one of the three known ones, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he managed to wake one up from some lump of oily black stone (perhaps under the stones of a certain High Tower)
there’s that special book regarding dragons that Tyrion mentions in an early ADWD chapter. the one that’s locked up deep within the citadel. maybe euron will wake a textual “dragon” by opening/reading the book if he gets it? lol
I felt that the show runners decided to forego the Greyjoy storyline early in the series and when faced with it playing a major role in the outcome of the finale (similar to how they ignored Dorne for the shows entirety and then attempted to shoehorn it in, in a way that made no sense) they decided to make the Night King take the role of what Euron would become in the books, as you mention. Early Euron I feel was truly a weird hybrid of Victarion himself and then in the last seasons became just a weird sad Victarion.
To the idea that Azor Ahai is villain, i would suggest that he was a person who did horrible stuff, because he believed it will save the world from a prophesized Apocolypse, but eventually caused it through his actions. Because in the Story the Azor Ahai Prophecy is linked with Melisandre influence over Stannis and his people and how her prophecy Brings his cause on dark path
Bran will be Euron's foil. Extraordinary Evil in the end gets defeated by an Innocent God-Child Bran... The Winged Wolf. Bran will warg the mute Crewmen of Euron's Ship - Silence and will turn on him for Vengeance. Euron will meet death at the hands of those whom he used to gain Power.
I like it ! Jon ,Bran an Dany join forces vs Euron and the whites during the long night .Arya and the hound go after Cersie. On some ninja shit .all in darkness covered ashes .
Dude, Euron is at this point the most fascinating character in ASOIF, and you do the BEST deep analysis of the symbolism, foreshadowing, and significant motifs in the series. I'm so looking forward to your Part 2 now. I just finished watching this video, but if you don't mind, I'm just going to watch it again now...
My personal pet theory is that Theon and Euron’s arcs are parallel. Both defy the intentions of the Ironborn, invade sacred ground shall we say, play with forces much greater than they can control with far too high ambitions. Hopefully that means Euron will become the Others’ “Reek” in the end.
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Like a true doom eternal player, I jumped in at nightmare mode. Book? Can’t read Show? Don’t have an HBO. Well I did, but it was for Godzilla vs Kong. Deep lore of something well written being broken down by a literary analyst? Real shit.
@@andrzejkopalnia ooh, I forgot about the old "Green Fairy"! I haven't drank Absinthe in a Long time, but I could be persuaded to partake in that party ;) Absinthe was banned in My country until (about) 20 years ago..even now theres a '2 shot limit" in bars that do sell it..crazy laws for a bonkers drink lol
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8bE7T_6W_vc.html Here you go, not a brewery but I mean, after so many years of making drinks for a living, he probably knows what he's doing
I figure the Valyrians (and the various other dragonlord descendants) were descendants of the Amethyst empress. Before the bloodstone emperor usurped the throne and brought in the long night. So the parallel will be Danyerys conquers Westeros, Euron usurps her, long night starts again, Jon takes it back from Euron. Oh also Pirates are fine parallels to Kings. Each captain is King on their ship. So its not as much a stretch as you make it seem.
I’ve been searching desperately for a channel that makes in depth videos about the actual novels and character breakdowns and I’m glad to say I’ve finally found it. Finding this channel made me get more excited than a kid on Christmas morning.
Something you said in another video relating to Euron, that he found a suit of valyrian steel plate that fit him perfectly during his travels, made me think about the one ring that seems capable of changing its size based on the wearer
Or more puerile, the DnD feature of some enchanted armor to refit itself within a size class. The man is wearing RPG gear in a Low Fantasy Medieval setting.
4.20..too late for Me, Im at 17.26 already and won't be home for another hour :/ but by the time I get home it'll be 4.20 & 4.30, 40, 50, 55 somewhere :)...dont judge Me, it's been a hell of a day..lol a Euronic (?) day !!!
"Actually grew to over an hour in length" This is a reformed Lucifer Means Lightbringer! I remember the days of split-up scripts still being three hours in length!
I can’t think about Euron and not think about Saagael, the lord of darkness who was summoned by an accidental blood sacrifice in one of George’s oldest stories. There’s even a religion that worships Saagael mentioned in awoiaf. There’s GOTTA be something there
ooh, that sounds very Lovecraft, and very like my idea that maybe Euron will channel the spirit of dead AA or NK and that it will take him over. What happens with Saagael in this other story now?
Lucifer means Lightbringer so he gets summoned through a bloody altar and is confronted by the hero, Dr Weird, who is this GREEN AND GOLD wraith spirit and he gets sent back through the altar he was born from. There’s this light and dark theme going on through that story in which Dr weird, the wraith, is on the side of light and Saagael, the demon prince, is on the side of darkness.
Lucifer means Lightbringer it’s called “Only Kids Are Afraid of The Dark” and it’s like 14 pages so I definitely recommend picking it up Because there are too many connections
Usually I’d jump right into that theory, but I really think that’s just how George writes, he likes to put little meaningless (so far) references to his other works. I haven’t read the story you mention but I know that there’s a reference to Baccalon The Pale Child in The Forsaken chapter, the pale child is the deity of this religious order of warmongering space faring humans called The Steel Angels from the story “And 7 times never kill man” it’s a really interesting story but I don’t think it will mean anything to ASOIF which I think is probably also the case with your reference
Great stuff, thanks. I love riding the pause button to take note of the artwork and artists; you do have a knack for finding the coolest work out there. I also appreciate the fact that you occasionally make me spit coffee through my nose.
I for one LOVE the symbolism! And in this case it is so powerful and clear that anyone who thinks GRRM doesn’t do this intentionally is just not paying attention. Symbolism is what makes your podcasts so fascinating. Don’t be shy about your Mythical Astronomy powers because they set you apart!
Oooooh. Snap. Not one minute in and I lost my mind. Euron is going to be the next knights king. It makes some much sense I could have come up with it.... But I didn't! Awesome. And now to watch the rest.
My boi Vic won't be able to handle the temptation of blowing Eurons horn, something will go awry for those 3 bastards and Vic will go in for the blow to make dragons come.
Hey David! I am worried about you two with the fires up in that area, are you guys good so far? Stay safe! I have been waiting for this video and what a way to start my day! Thanks Boo!
@@DavidLightbringer Of course! I live in Phx and we have had some pretty gnarly skies from the Cali fires. I can only imagine the apocalyptic feeling over there lol. Glad you guys are doing ok.
Euron is basically Bob from Twin Peaks, and I'm so here for it. I love characters that are just the embodiment of "burn the world" but REALLY despise them in real life. Can we just keep those kinds of people in fiction, please?
Yes! I love that! O.O Ever since his appearance at the Kingsmoot, it was clear: if these books see a God-King rise, it would be Euron. And if the other figures are just a frame the show-end suddenly makes sense: The Braavosi will not suffer God-Kings making rules: They could send out Arya, and if she killed him she could claim the Silence as her reward, to have the world's best ship to go exploring the unexplored.
I really learned a TON from working with him on the Winds of Winter predictions series. He helped me up my game a ton. Quinn still does edited videos! He’s working on a monster Lovecraft / Cthulhu one right now. We’ve both been doing a lot of live-streams lately in part because it allows us to put out more videos, and everybody wants entertainment right now, and plus we have the time to do it because Covid.
I agree. I love Quinn's older videos for the voice and inflections. He had the ability to bring the ethereal quality of fantasy to an auditory form. His Dune series is alright and the video of the Shrike from Hyperion Cantos is exemplary.
I’m so glad I found this channel. So much interesting content that has entertained me and changed the way I view characters like Jon and Dany. 7 blessings David
Also Valyrians loved their brother and sister matches. So Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa were probably related. And since I also believe that Ths Bloodstone Emperor was Azor Ahai he must have been in a marriage (albeit an unhappy one, like Aerys and Rhaella) with his sister, The Amethyst Empress. I think they also parallel Rhaenyra and her brother Aegon. They were not a couple but like the Amethyst Empress, Rhaenyra was chosen as her father's heir and her brother Aegon killed her to get the throne. And it ushered the end of dragons.
I see lots of people comparing Euron to the Joker, I'm not a Joker expert but they really seem different, the Joker seem like a radical nihilist, totaly enjoying chaos and destruction. Whilst Euron isn't a nihilist, he is very egotistical, he wants power, and the chaos he causes seems to be collateral. But I might be wrong x)
Though, always a good thing to remember is... ...Prophecy is like a half-trained mule, even appearing it might be useful. However, the moment it attains your trust, you're kicked in the head.
Thank you so much for another in-depth video I’m gonna sit back while at work not on phones smoke up and listen to your excellent theories keep them coming I need something to do and get paid for it
fu**in eh bud, this video is a banger! just about lost my shit when you said we're going full mythicial astronomy pack another glass of nightshade. 7/7, I've been waiting for this one
Do you think it’s possible that the people of Ashai taught the Valyrians the art of dragon riding so they could be ready for the next long night? Why would they have just gone over and taught random people the art of controlling and riding dragons? Maybe they were trying to ensure that what happened to them would be prevented or stopped before it got too bad?
Well my answer for that is basically the Great Empire of the Dawn: Dragonlords of Ancient Asshai video. I think the Valyrian ancestors were actually descendants or even refugees from Asshai, essentially.
It's a trope that calls for GRRM to crush. I think he'll get a nuke to the face and burn in his fancy armor. He’s a fish who wants to be part of a world he once glimpsed when he bit a bait not intended for him and was thrown back into the sea. He’s going to jump out of the waters, right into a frying pan. -Team Victarion
The antichrist symbolism is so deep in asoiaf and could be found in Dany, Jon (your Bloodstone theory) and especially in Euron. You’ve done the best work uncovering all the hidden meanings, such a thoughtful analysis! Thank you
At this point in life, I just want GRRM to finish Euron's chapters. He has the potential to be more terrifying than any literary character I've ever read. The intelligent, psychotic ones are always the best. And GRRM is creepy enough to birth the equivalent of Freddy Kreuger in Westeros, but better.
I think this fits really well, and just the fact that he has blue lips could also be a hint, as people’s lips also become blue when freezing to death I also really like your nissa nissa, destroyed moon and long night connections, and it kind of would make sense that a celestial object exploding near orbit might fill the atmosphere with enough debris to black out the sky, kind of like a nuclear winter
Right, especially when you observe the way that Martin takes basic natural phenomenon and uses it to create magic, such as with obsidian, or the Doom being a magical volcano that leaves a magical fallout zone unlike a natural volcano. So yeah, impact winter from moon meteors as a basic mechanism, but magic meteors and magic moons and all ice demons.
Like this guy said, there are similarities between Euron and Aurion heading to places of knowledge/power to carve out their empires. But what if it doesn't stop there? A lot of people talk about what Euron's next move is going to be. Yet no one considers if he will be alive to do anything after this. What if Euron dies when he commits his mass sacrifice and blows his Dragonbinder, in an attempt at attaining godhood that completely backfires, like Aurion's attempt to become emperor of the remnants of Valyria? I also find it funny that if the theory that Rhoynar magic had a hand in causing the Doom of Valyria has a chance to be the real explanation, then Euron's use of magic that could spell the doom via the Wall coming down would be a historical repetition of the past.
Hey man, REALLY love these theory vids! Especially when pertaining to Euron or the other more "Esoteric" ideas but i gotta know, what is that/those eerie tracks that play whenever youre reading from dreams or Eurons Quotes? I believe the first starts around 2:40.
Looking forward to part two. I haven't found better videos on Euron than what you and Quinn produce! I find Euron to be the most interesting character in terms of how he is going to influence the story, and your take gets me so excited for Winds!! I have just finished reading the series for the second time, and your channel is tempting me to get stuck right back in from the start haha.
I think one of my favorite aspects of Martins writing is his use of myths and archetypes to expand on his story and themes. Like how the azor ahai myth can be interpreted in many ways and not to jump the gun I think this is personified in the many different people that fit that archetype. On one hand you have the “last hero” side of the myth, the heroic visage of a man wielding a flaming sword to save the world from the night that never ends. While on the other hand you have the evil nights king incarnation of the character who lml has pointed out(possibly) needlessly killed his wife for the sake of power, making someone else pay the price for magic when it was his price to play. Euron is most clearly this latter version of the myth and maybe an unpopular opinion but I think stannis will lean towards this side if he does indeed sacrifice his daughter. On the heroic side you have jon and dany that are the incarnation of the last hero expression of the archetype. I don’t think that need much explanation. Watching all of lml stuff I’m almost convinced that there is no one azor ahai but many expressions of the same idea and the prophecy fitting so many people is perhaps the point
for sure... and the more I think about Euron as a third head of the dragon and the incarnation of AA that most closely matches the original villain character... it just fits
Lucifer means Lightbringer I also believe this ties into the idea that dany won’t god mad. I think it would go against the general lesson that the azor ahai myth is going for, that sacrifice is required but it should be the person who is making the choice that should sacrifice. So it wouldn’t make sense that dany would start burning total innocence. I think more line would be dany making a needed sacrifice that history wouldn’t like too kindly on and its Jon who take that fall because he believes in dany’s vision. Assuming the show had any truth in what happened. I mean at that point Jon would be an undead possibly frozen ice and fire zombie while dany would be the breaker of chains freer of slaves.
I'd never considered Euron larping as a Valyrian enough to make him fit the role of a dragonlord in the vein of Azor Ahai, but if the theories in your latest series hold, almost all Ironborn noble houses have distant Great Empire ancestry. Even if the Greyjoys don't have direct dragonlord ancestry per se, Euron then at least has a somewhat legitimate claim to the cultural mantle he's draped himself in. This on top of the fact that he's a skinchanger also makes him a perfect dark parallel to Jon. His role in the wider story then makes a whole lot more sense, but this also means that the Ironborn in general are fulfilling a poetically symmetrical role in it as well, instead of just being cool window dressing, which is what they ended up being in the show.
In the midst of reading "The 3 Body Problem." a really interesting sci-fi book. It goes along way toward explaining the "moon meteors" and irregular seasons of Westeros. I think George borrowed the idea from that book.
11:12 "He sure is trying to dress up like a Valyrian" I feel like "the folly of pretenders" is Author's Exhibit A for the core theme of "Facing Winter [challenges, fear of death] means growing up [forsaking comforting lies/childish stories]." The prologue ends with Royce honoring himself as a man (of TNW), not a child, by standing against winter. The story then starts with Bran going to witness the execution of the deserter, who failed to be a man (of TNW) and ran from his true duty, pretending he could escape death. Bran had to see that he was wrong, specifically to prepare him for the end of childhood/winter. All these pale pretenders, attempting to escape the inevitability of death: Euron, and the pale "Undying" Warlocks he got his blue tint from. "Aegon," who's likewise *dyed* blue and ought to have died, but came back from across the water with suspiciously miraculous timing. WW magic of both the White Walker and Weirwoodnet variety are literally Childrens' attempts to avoid death, cursing them to eternal undeath.
So gooood! Oh, the art! I am agog, especially that serpentguy piece, which is terrifying. I love seeing the symbolism come to life with all these amazing visuals. Kudos to the artists, and to LmL for compiling them into this gorgeous tale of Woe.
@@DavidLightbringer Horror is such a visual art, even if the visual is only in your imagination, and even if (sometimes especially if) the horrible thing is invisible. Like this painting, I can hardly look at it, yet I can't look away. It haunts my dreams...
@@DavidLightbringer I'm British & it sounded incredibly convincing from an American, bravo. Haha yeah the weed would help with immersing yourself into the role.
Hey there, Dave, really enjoying all of your videos. I've been going through listening to all of your playlists and I'm finally getting around to liking and commenting on everything. Really appreciate your thoughts and input wrt lore! I can't get enough. Sorry you're about to see this same comment over and over. LOL.
I am now watching some of your older videos like the Sacred Order of the Green Zombies! I am curious about Coldhands and his story arc in the last two books! LML, do you think that we will see Uncle Benjen again? I hope so, would like to know where he has been all this time and if he has any more info re the Others that he could share with all of us!!! I also would like to know what Howland Reed could share, besides the Tower of Joy info on Jon’s heritage!!!
Reactions to the notification about this video 0. Oh LOVELY LML has a new video! 1. Can't wait lemme just get my coffee 2. Wait this is a video about Euron, do I have emotional strength for that right now? 3. *waits for 11 hrs until bedtime* oh well I haven't had nightmares in like a fortnight, bring it on Euron
I'm reminded of another commenter suggesting that Dragonbinder might bind Dany (instead of an actual dragon). Which feels like a perfect setup for Euron "wedding the dragon" and completing Dany's themes with both slavery and weddings/husbands.
I really love your channel! I can name like five channels that focus on the books and not all of them produce their own detailed theories with actual evidence that makes sense and not too many logical fallacies But the iron maiden insert at the end is cherry on top
The more Elden Ring lore I see unfold, the more I'm convinced we could piece together ice and fire's story with elden ring lore. It's just a shot in the dark. Something to think on.
If George doesn't finish the series, LML and Quinn should finish it. LML and Quinn have already plotted out each character's TWOW arc and predicted how TWOW will end and how the story will conclude in ADOS. LML's theories are canon, in my opinion.
I just found your videos and saw Mads Mikkelsen, Dark Souls 3 and a lot of esoteric symbolism intertwined into A Song of Ice and Fire lore video. I'm already a fan.
Oh hey there you’ve come to the right place then! Dark Souls was a godsend as far as Azor Ahai artwork, really helpful. Mads as Euron is a no brained haha
@@DavidLightbringer I'm really glad I found your channel, man. You're doing a great work. I've been binge watching your playlists since earlier today lol Might as well pick up the books again. Thanks for the amazing work!
I also find it fascinating how the entire Azor Ahai myth seems to be surrounded by infertility. All the women associated with Azor Ahai figures have problems bearing children. Dalla of the wildlings, Selyse Baratheon, Elia Martell, and of course Dany herself. The only exception to that is the Night's Queen, if your theory is correct. Euron sacrificing his pregnant salt-wife kind of reinforces that Azor Ahai and fertility are not a good match...
He’s a character who is trading his children or ability to have them for magic power essentially. It’s a big theme of the sorcery in the story, how it consumes you and exacts a cost
Random thought will Euron have a quick relationship with Cersi like im the show (kinda) but after she flee s Kings Landing from Young Griff to the Westerlands and temper his blade in a lion like a certain Azor guy before his Nissa Nissa shows up