Evangelical Instagram is Cursed 

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"bible stories as fashion" would make a really cool drag race challenge

'Marriage isn't supposed to make you happy, it's supposed to make you holy' really feels like it could be used to justify all manner of abuse and shitty behaviour.

"Protect yourself from demons using oils" so witchcraft

Your emphasis on sexual education and wellness is absolutely spot on. Ignorance isn't "innocence" to be protected, it's vulnerability to deceit and manipulation and abuse.

“Marriage is meant to make you feel holy, not happy.” That’s a sad message to share.

Wait, wait... I can pray more tacos into existence?!? Why don't Christians lead with that when they are out converting???

the bit about christian music reminds me of a Hank Hill quote: “Can't you see you're not making Christianity better, you're just making rock n' roll worse.”

Taylor is spot on about the girl and her stickers. I was told by our Bible study leader to remove all “ungodly” music from my phone and I really wanted to, but I was 13 and I just couldn’t bring myself to get rid of Bruno Mars and The Killers. Makes me so sad looking back that I cried in my room and thought I was a bad person because I loved music

The belief that marriage is supposed to be hard and not make you happy is so damaging. I’ve seen friends stay in marriages where both of are just miserable, don’t like each other at all, but they don’t believe in divorce and they think the marriage being hard is how it’s supposed to be. It’s brutal to watch.

Literally sold an entire collection of figures and memorabilia that I’d been building for my entire life while going to one of those hyper evangelical churches, just to fit in. It’s something I regret to this day and will never be able to 100% recover. Watching that girl pull down her wall of stickers brought back some very sad memories.

Seeing that girl removing all her stickers and the talk about "sad beige homes" really makes me sad for them. The fact some people feel the need to suppress a part of their personality to fit in is not something we should be rooting for. I think every teenager goes through that phase, Christian or not, of feeling ashamed for liking something because other kids told you it's "uncool". I hope they find the strength to let it go and live their best life.

As a born and lapsed Irish Catholic, the idea of dressing up as Mary is MINDBLOWING. Even now I could never.

Its so weird that they think they are godly and monetizing it. Where is the humility? I bet she doesn't even give to charity. But, if she did, you know she'd film it.

“Marriage is supposed to make to holy, not happy” is one of the most toxic thoughts on the planet. I did this for 21 years and I was miserable. But I just have been really holy, right? I finally got divorced and i am remarried and so much happier. I’ll take happy, thanks.

The way she gave Mary a crop top, off the shoulders, and basically disrespecting someone so holly… bro and the calling the disciples HAD ME CACKLING. So stupid

The girl with the stickers on her door made me sad. Took me back to my 20s when I purged my CD collection of "ungodly" music. 😔

The girl stripping her closet sticker collage was the saddest thing to watch. I know for awhile religion stripped me of my personality and I threw away and snapped cds and items that had meant a lot to me but felt I needed to rid myself of to appeal to god. I also took up the Mandy Moore “Walk to Remember” style, dressing in plain oversized clothes and wearing my long hair in a ponytail. 😆 Of course at the end of the day none of that mattered as I still felt like a filthy rag struggling to earn this deity’s approval…(but simultaneously felt better than other people for at least trying harder than they were to be faithful to god’s beige qualifications for purity of spirit?) Well, I hope that girl finds herself again one day too.

I know the whole thing about Christian media is, “Secular media but worse,” yet I couldn’t imagine they can do social media influencing any worse than it is. I humbly admit I was wrong.

The thing about thinking there is some invisible man always out to get you is something that really traumatized me as a child. I’m an atheist adult with OCD and one of my obsessive thoughts I have to work through is constantly thinking demons are watching me because I no longer believe in anything. It’s like because of this ideology being such an intrinsic part of my childhood growing up I can’t escape it. I may not believe it spiritually but now I have to mentally fight these same concepts within my mental illness

The lady tearing down her stickers, and your commentary, hit home. My dad tore down the art and posters off of my walls when I was a teenager. He claimed that anything that took my mind off of God was idol worship, and wasn't allowed in his house. I later found myself in a marriage with a man who wouldn't let me decorate. It's been a bad marriage, and I'm very close to getting out. I've been dreaming of decorating a place of my own! I've never had a say, and I'm really looking forward to the freedom. On another note, I'm so glad you are back and doing better! Please look after yourself.

To be fair, you should definitely get right with your creator before flying Spirit.

So glad to see you back! You were missed. Don't forget to prioritize yourselves first and not worry about us internet randos too much.

The lady on the plane has me so mad - I have family members who struggle with religious guilt and fear that they are going to succumb to darkness for stepping away from a religion that was negatively effecting and controlling them. I also struggle really badly with flight anxiety. I can't imagine dealing with a combination of the two, having someone tell me I'm going to hell if I'm already a bit scared about flying. A plane is not an OK place to stir up people's angst and fear, it's a heightened situation and this is so inconsiderate!

Seeing that couple force themselves to stay together in an un-loving marriage is heartbreaking! 💔 I watched my mother go through the same thing.

At some point, when I was a Christian, I did ascribe to this notion that prayer was a form of warfare against something. In hindsight, I think it fulfills the same romantic heroic fantasy dopamine rush in an adolescent brain that watching Top Gun or Braveheart, or LARPing, or prepping, buying a handgun, learning Krav Maga, or training to be a Navy SEAL can.

I think the unhinged part of that prayer closet lady is she _completely_ misses the point of what big J was trying to get at when he talked about praying in private. It was so you weren't praying to performatively demonstrate your own righteousness like many within the Judaic religious establishment would do in that time. Yet here she is performatively demonstrating her own righteousness by recording herself praying in a closet thinking she's got it right. The irony from this alone could cure anemia worldwide.

“Prove to me God exists” “no” is valid as hell

I really appreciate your videos as someone with a severely mentally ill partner who JUST started becoming evangelical af like 3 months ago during the beginning of a manic episode. Bc of this manic episode mixed in with the pressure from two newly fundimentalist (also mentally ill and untreated) family members he's just become a totally different person, dropped his therapist of 3 year and refuses to go to the doctors bc "our lord and savior Jesus christ has healed [him]." now he speaks in tongues, goes to church 3 times a week, and is convinced that demons are making me bisexual (even though he's NEVER said that in our 9 years of marriage and he had no issue of me being bi before we got married) Anyways your videos really help ground me, I feel so heard and seen amidst all the chaos, mental illness, and exploitation through the church/fundimentalism. I've even told my therapist about your videos! Thank you so much!!

The whole “marriage is so HARD and it takes so much WORK and you’re going to be MISERABLE but it’s worth it” idea is so so so so damaging. I used to be in a marriage where I was being abused and cheated on. He had a lot of past trauma, so I was told “just give him time to heal,” “you’ve gotta work on it,” and “it’ll get better.” It got worse. I’ve been in my current relationship for over two years now, and we have never fought. Not once. It’s so easy, and so gentle, and so kind. It absolutely does not have to be a struggle.

“Marriage is meant to make you holy not happy” really threw me. What a sad way to live and really sets things up for abuse

I live in Japan. The earthquake was horrific. That false prophet is evil.

13:00 I had my regular closet as my "prayer closet", with incense, a fluffy and comfortable rug, and great lighting with a window to the outside. After my deconversion I put all of my houseplants and cold weather sensitive plants in it. It also became my craft room and I felt just as much, if not more, peace when spending time in there. I have moved and now have a lovely office that's filled to the brim with plants, comfortable seating, and of course my work desk. So peaceful and a great meditation space. 😊

Former fundie here. Even as an atheist now, the girl wearing crop tops as Mary and eve is so mind blowing to me. The way I was raised, that would be considered the epitome of blasphemy. Ofc I don’t care that she is wearing those things, she looks good, but the intention behind it is so against the Christian idea of modesty, at least the one I was raised with (it’s subjective, like you said).

In regard to people imagining themselves in a spiritual battle, there are really two extremes imo. There's the one you detailed here, where very privileged people have to invent persecutions for their martyr complex... But there are also people facing very real, very serious problems (serious illness, hunger, war etc) who feel helpless to solve those problems, so they move into this fantasy headspace where they feel that they are able to make real change against the enemy by praying.

My mom had a book with a title like "maybe marriage is supposed to make you holy, not happy" on her night stand and it broke my heart. My dad has been emotionally and verbally abusive since as early as I can remember. I think it's from his trauma, but I've seen my mom suffer so so much over the years because of it. Personally, I think being religious played a part in her staying.

Glad to see Taylor is doing ok, missed u guys ❤

As a Christian I’m equally skeptical of stuff like that. Years ago I had a friend who was a musician. He performed on a few Elvis recordings. So he was asked by some big time famous faith healers to perform at their “revivals”. He shared how they would talk about what they called “holy deception”. The idea was that if they could make the audience to believe miracles were happening they’d be more likely to become a Christian at their meetings. The miracles were faked every time. I remain a Christian but this stuff drives me crazy. I get why many people just don’t believe in any kind of spiritual reality anymore.

I currently live in Japan. Fortunately, i was out of the country for vacation on New Year's, but everyone in my neighborhood felt the earthquake. One of my coworkers has relatives in the Wajima area. Even still, they don't have running water, and they have to go to the mountain to get clean springs or even snow. I don't know what they're going to do if the problem isn't solved by winter's end. People in the Noto peninsula are finding more bodies every day. None of the Japanese I've met here have been religious, but they've always been interested in me and treated me kindly. They've invited my family to their house when they came to visit, and baked me bread. They've carried my furniture when I moved in and driven me to the hospital when I'm feverish. They would be horrified by this Instagram shit. I hardly ever write RU-vid comments. I haven't finished the video yet, but it pisses me off beyond what I thought it could that someone fucking loser howling in church basement is purporting divine justice with the Noto earthquake when he, in all likelihood, couldn't point Japan out on a damn map.

That couple that said the immediately had the worst time after marriage makes my heart break in so many ways. It’s a post that screams we were not given the tools to function as two adults in a health communicative relationship. It’s just like feel so sorry because i believe they were not given the tools to succeed and their community didn’t prepare them

They pointed out how Mary was a peasant girl who wouldn’t be wearing really fancy clothing. I think it’s interesting that she chose to dress up as Mary in this Indian/Southeast Asian type of aesthetic? Like the beautiful fabric over her head (that looks like a sari) and then the posing with her palms together? Idk especially because it’s so different from the other outfits she put together.

For all the people feeling bad for the person taking down their "sticker collection", I doubt those were individually picked out. You can order vinyl sheets that look like that. And I don't think individual stickers would come off that easy. Sweet of everyone one to sympathize with them. And sorry to all those who purged personal items.

For a group that claims that are loving, they sure want others to suffer. Especially when those people don't believe in their beliefs. Religion and hypocrisy go together like peanut butter and jelly Edit: Metal and Christianity will NEVER go together

You've hit the nail on the head when you say Evangelism encourages people to walk away from their identities and personalities! I left Church about 8 months ago, and I've spent most of that time reconnecting with my true self, so I really relate! PS I've missed you lately! Glad to see you back! 😊

As someone in Dallas, we currently have billboards everywhere saying “The end times are coming” and idk who is paying for them, but yes even in the gayborhood there’s the gospel.

As a Christian I feel bad for the girl who took down all of the stickers. I had to take all kinds of harmless things off my walls and it did real damage. Self expression is Biblical. :(

If I could turn 11 tacos into 22 tacos I would... Still probably not convert to Christianity but that would be rad

The clip of the person tearing down their sticker walls broke me a bit. When I was young, and getting accepted into a church, I left behind so many treasured possessions that were special to me because I wanted to rid myself of "worldliness". I had autographs from my favorite musicians, albums, books, poems that I had written, and countless other things. I threw them all away for something that wasn't real. I regret it all the time.

OMG that lady on the plane 🤦🏻‍♀️ I would be so mad if someone did that while I was waiting to deplane. My husband would be that guy yelling at her to shut up lol.

A lot of those are really difficult to watch. I’ve heard lately there are evangelicals wanting the sermon on the mount discounted for being “too woke.” It’s proof that American is the religion. Not Christ. That being said y’all are SO CUTE!!! I hope y’all are living and continue to live your best lives! I love both of your channels and that amount of love and genuineness makes me so happy to see❤

‘Satan started attacking us the day we said I do’ sent me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Taylor was spot on with her critique of evangelicalism. "I can't imagine spending that much time thinking I'm at war." Loved what Drew said about Satan, that he's an "invisible monster man"

Performative worship is so pervasive on reels… it feels even LESS likely like anyone could fall for these things.. but they seem to lap it up eagerly…it’s really upsetting.

Given how triggering that woman on the spirit plane was for me just watching this, I know if I was on that plane I would have yelled the Bible also says woman should stay silent and not cut their hair. Let me be clear, not a stance I personally believe in. But triggered me wouldn’t hold back 😅

Day 3 as a white woman with no tacos: Initially I sat the table in the livingroom with plates, fancy tablecloth, glasses etc on day 1. I tried putting foil on one plate, and gone praying in my bathtub (No closet, sorry.) but no food appeared. I put on Skillet, I considered hiring a choire but it's too expensive so I just sang for myself. Of course I've been wearing Mary-inspired fashion all three days. Since it's end of DAY THREE (3!!!) where I'd ASSUME He would have gotten a chance to rise and show up, I think it's safe to say... I have been ghosted on my date with God 😭

"I'm gonna make sure these white girls have all their tacos," that made me laugh. Well done. Good to see you back

If you haven’t already, take a look into the Bethal school of supernatural ministries in Redding California. That stuff is bat shit crazy! Before I became a born again atheist, my church had these people make a visit. It was so wild and crazy that it literally split the church in half and many members left to start their own church using those teachings they learned. Their big thing is being “drunk in the spirit” and will act like an over exaggerated drunk person in the middle of an average service. It’s wild!

The Skillet guy lists a whole bunch of issues that are united by nothing but the fact that he's massively wrong about that thing, and lumps everyone who ever told him so into one gigantic himself-defying cosmic villain. Nobody's "cancelling" him for "different ideas" they are TELLING HIM HE IS WRONG about some idea he has, and WHY he is wrong.

"A bracelet with a black bead, a red bead and a white bead" me, a German: oh lord no o.O

i love what you said at 15 minutes - it's the most toxic part of evangelisim, being mentally ill but having your "kingdom friends" tell you that demons are attacking you for not praying hard enough. i KNOW my friend doesn't understand anxiety or depression

*If you go on a "date with God," does He pay half?* *I was raised hyper-Christian, but have never heard of a "prayer closet."* *Anyone can pray and predict "the wind is going to blow," then when it does they claim they helped God make the wind blow; it's so silly.*

doesn't filming you going into your prayer closet completely ruin the reason for a prayer closet? idk, i didn't grow up with that idea but i was under the assumption that it was all about praying alone behind closed doors bc praying in front of a crowd is performative and stuff.... like uhhhhh

The new year one is crazy, but growing up as the daughter of an evangelical missionary couple, it’s very accurate. I always just sat there awkwardly not knowing what to do while everyone around me was acting like they were possessed by the Holy Spirit or something. Like, what do you do in this situation when you’re not into it? I always felt I wasn’t being Christian enough to be in the grace of God. Like I wasn’t praying hard enough. Like I was insufficient. I love and appreciate all the people I grew up with, but that part of evangelical missionary culture left me traumatized in many ways.

You guys are both so groovy and decent. I'm so grateful that y'all do what y'all do.

"supposed to be spending time with her creator while acting more like a social media content creator" is unintentionally the heaviest diss i've ever heard drew say 😂

I loved that point Taylor made about the prosperity gospel making people think they're failing at a relationship with God because they can't afford to go out on "dates" with God or to maintain the aesthetic of these Christian influencers. It's very focused on the material. I remember when I was an evangelical teen I often felt pressure to get a fancy bible cover bag or the right annotated popular version (The Message was super popular in youth ministry at the time) and notebook journals with daily verses on them, or to buy the same books and devotionals from popular Christian leaders, even though I tended to resist this last part in favour of just trying to get all my truth from the Bible, prayer and worship and the Holy Spirit's leading. But all this pressure was as a teen in the early 2000s. I'm so glad I didn't have the pressure of social media influencers to contend with.

Glad to see Taylor doing well & happy to see u both back

Glad to see you, hope you both are doing well

46:25 I’m pretty sure this is the woman who said autism could be exorcised out of someone and that you just don’t believe in god enough-

Okay but I'd be very interested to know why the peace symbol is demonized in Christian circles because my mom was the same way, she HATED peace symbol, coexist bumper stickers, the yin yang symbol (which I kind of get because it's "pagan"), also skulls and any vaguely macabre designs. Some I understand but it would be an interesting video topic I think to explore the antagonism American Christians have for common symbols in our culture

Geez, that closet door thing was like actually kind of triggering for me. In my case, I wasn't taught that my interests were dishonoring to God, but that I had to make sure I was putting God first at all times, which honestly made it worse because I was constantly second guessing myself. I threw away stories I had written sometimes that were completely innocent but that I felt like I was spending too much time on that I should have been spending with God.

It’s always made me feel sick to my stomach to see Calvinists be so joyous about many, many people’s lives ending in such a sudden horrific way

I'm just rolling under the table imagining that the oil lady at 9:08 is just having beef with some other lady at her church and that's who the "jezebel spirit" in question is

The girl tearing down her sticker collection on the closet doors actually heart breaking to me

8:18 What’s saddest about this is,you know that this hurts Jesus‘s heart... he was against the monetization of his father’s name. That’s why, he flipped over all the tables, when people were selling stuff in the temple. He was upset at the reasoning that they were doing it, at the sacrifice that was happening, and at the bastardization of the truth. I also vividly remember when I was reading John, and he was talking about how when he wants to be close with his father he goes to the forest. It always resonated with me, as that is where I have always felt the closest with God. You don’t need anything, you don’t need a church, you don’t need a certain outfit, you don’t need to have a place with good lighting, all you need is the want to accept Jesus Christ into your heart.

Honestly a hardcore Christian getting Isiekied into some fantasy world and trying to be a missonary sounds like a really cool plot

Oh man...That bit about where Skillet is at was heartbreaking. They used to be my jam, and if that's how the lead singer is spending his time now...ugh. I could have guessed thought.

> stay away from witch craft > praying and chanting for destruction > god is a good god ???

These people are so over-the-top cringy, I can barely stomach it. You guys are great-perhaps I could have made it through a video highlighting this trend, rather than reacting.

Suppressing a part of my personality to fit in to Christianity is something I did before. I’m a senior in a Christian school and I came to this school 6 years ago. Before I started going to this school I had this idea that since I’m going to a Christian school, I need to actually try to be Christian like and stop “acting” like a non Christian. Fast forward 6 years and i now realize that me doing that was sad because i wanted to fit in. It also made me realize that I'm not a Christian and thats ok.

That one where she ripped the stickers off made me wanna cry wtf =( I have a room where as much of my wall space as possible is covered with art and things that I like, and the thought of doing that to it just makes me so unbelievably sad...The closet doors are so empty and soulless now.

"Jezebel spirit" I've also only ever heard to refer to women, generally women who don't submit to Christian patriarchal rules.

That lady on Spirit Airlines is one of the reasons I travel with noise cancelling headphones.

I love how you all don’t attack these people or call them cringe, like calling the woman’s prayer closet cringy and laughing at her. Instead you guys critique the aspects of their social media and religion you don’t like, and that’s cool

If they did what Jesus said and worked to protect and empower the poor and marginalized while living in community with the outcasts of society then they would actually be persecuted.

I would LOVE you to revisit some of the Christian Rock you experienced as teenagers. Over here in the UK we don’t get much of this kind of thing but what I’ve seen is dreadful. Welcome back, it’s great to see you!

Women can be SO misogynistic. It's harder to point out when it's other women.

The one about the earthquake makes me feel physically ill... how callous towards real people who have suffered or died. That is really gross

I remember when I was a kid growing up in the Bible Belt, I LOVED metal music and was told that it was "evil and demonic" and I shouldn't listen to it. The fact that I'm now seeing this reel with a guy, clearly trying to be metal for Jesus, just makes me straight angry. 😂 Love how the damn bar keeps moving when they keep realizing how many people are leaving evangelicalism. Edit: oh and that's Skillet 🤮

I would be really into the "Bible Stories as Outfits" thing if it were like...upcycled or thrifted clothing, or stuff that they made themselves. There's a good idea there, but idk, executing it with fast fashion (which is emblematic of a lot of the worst of our hyper-consumerist society -- profits above all, wastefulness, exploitation of labor and worker mistreatment, environmental destruction) just makes it feel a little...ghoulish. But idk maybe that's just my dislike of fast fashion showing here.

I love these two, they are so cute. Also, im pretty sure the comments got turned off bc a bunch of girls screaming about "fish tacos" is definitely a fetish

that “christian comeback” woman has a tik tok where she said she’s seen autism be “cured” and every time i see her i get filled with incomprehensible amounts of rage

I remember doing dates with God/meals with God…it was a nice time to sit in solitude and feel more relaxed and peaceful. But I lacked the cool girl aesthetic for sure 😅 So glad to see you back! I love your videos. Best wishes from snowy Massachusetts 💕

I hope you are having a happy and healthy New Year! I love your content because I don't find it to be mean-spirited or harsh, I appreciate your level-headed criticism! I was not raised Christian, but I find Evangelical circles fascinating. However, it is a different culture than what I was raised with so I appreciate when commentators are respectful (to a degree, sometimes the stuff creators commentate on does deserve harsh criticism lol).

This is why I don’t fly anymore. I refuse to be trapped in a tube with zero chance of escape, with a bunch of strangers who statistically are going to have people like this or even worse on them. I’ll just drive or not go.

I appreciate how calm you two are, it sets you apart from other channels who (enjoyable as they are) are over the top when they speak

The girl tearing her stickers down from the door really made me sad. Religion takes everything out of your life and replaces it with nothingness 😢 Also, why tf do evangelicals believe, that anything that isn’t directly related to god is „satanic“ 😂

I watch you guys and im a christian and some of the things us christians do are quite ridiculous. I like hearing different opinions and I think you all are quite intelligent. I do believe Christianity has become monotized which was not the mission of christ. Love you guys wishing you the very best!

28:17 the Peace Sign. Yes. As one of the aforementioned older Gen-Xrrrs, I heard, as a teen, that it was no coincidence that the symbol looks like a cross upside down and broken. (Gen-Xrrrs was a weird accident, but I’m using it from now on)

I watch mostly gentle parenting, art, and interior design reels on instagram and it I was offered one of those tradwife adjacent videos and watched it once and it took practically no time for my feed to be flooded with tradwife content and then daily wire ads mocking trans people and men spouting hate for women. It’s disturbing how quickly the algorithm gets polluted.