As a Moze main, I feel like I'm the only person in the world who will max out Torgue Cross Promotion. I even have a Mind Sweeper that has a +5 TCP. I just love the big explosions it makes, my survival be damned. If this were the skill that gave Moze immunity to her own splash damage, it would fix the self-destruction issue and would even be lore relevant.
I also use that skill in my grenade build. And yes, you need to be careful which grenades you use to not kill yourself with it, but in most cases, you can also revive yourself with a single grenade, so it's ok.
You're not. The railgun - just one arm on Iron Bear with the corrosive mod does OBSCENE PILES of damage that go splat - and well... just add in the minigun for ice bullets for hilarity - 2 elements - and no, you're not worried about fire - seriously just refill your health - pop out, splatter everything on screen while hiding moze in the bubble shield - watch your cooldown reduction kick in to where you kill everything and can immediately call iron bear to repeat the process if needed and laugh. Also you're usually NOT downing yourself with only 1 mob on screen and killing that mob too, fortunately. Scraptrap nest is hilarious though - you always die then second wind. Without fail. Over and over and over again. Oh and TCP is hilarity incarnate with a soulrender - did I mention you could spec to the capstone of red AND blue trees and still get enough green tree to get to scorching RPMs? :3 Add green monster for hilarity ensuing. (Yes it's a hidden blast master and you are now doing a minimum of 3 elements worth of dps/splash) Of course you're using the transformer - becuase you need your shield.
Still peeved that Moze never got another class mod for the red tree. Imagine if Moze got something like Zane did, where shooting enemies had a chance to proc kill skills? It would've been so dope
The only thing id recommend is having the skill trees in question be on screen as while those who played the games will know, those who don't won't of that makes sense. Other then that, pretty good
I think Fl4k’s purple tree was aimed at launchers/amp shields. The annoint for gs makes it viable, and forage keeps your ammo stocked. Definitely not the strongest, but crazy fun when I built for it.
That’s reminds me of my first Zane build which basically had the shield up 24/7 as long as I could freeze because of calm, cool and collected + rough rider
I agree with putting Fl4k‘s purple tree at the bottom but not for the reasons you said. It has a hideous action skill, extremely bugged pet and useless skills (mostly useless because the pet is bugged). I‘d argue that Fuzzy Math however is one of the best skills ever especially for Fl4k since he‘s the only character with zero lifesteal in all his trees. He‘s resistant because he can revive himself really easily but he goes into FFYL way more often than any of the other Vault Hunters.
@@wruthe2709 I honestly don't see fl4k as that squishy once their max level at least. Damn near every skill tree has ways of making enemies attack their pet, or staying 100% invisible at all times. But you're definitely right about the loader pet being useless
@@ConstantCanadian Thing is that invisibility isn‘t really invisibility. It‘s to this day still not working like it should be. Enemies can in fact see you quite often, especially bosses. There are definitely builds where you can just chill at the side or directly in front of enemies and they just don‘t attack you but it is kind of specific.
I don’t fully buy that his pet is useless in purple tree(at least war loader) because it can one tap true hag and go insane with the messy breakup shield but the rest of the skill tree is just pretty bad
@@redspy6089 Well it definitely has insane damage output but suffers majorly from a bad AI. It‘s just extremely inconsistent in its pathing and overall behavior.
My own ranking before watching the vid, also based on my experiences, 4. Amara (honestly a cool skill tree but takes some work to really hit those sweet spots) 3. FL4K (my first character so I have a bit of bias, but still a pretty strong tree and very fun Class Mods to pair with it, tho his DLC tree was not my favorite as my playstyle is more run 'n gun) 2. Moze (absolute monster and probably stronger than every other VH's skill trees, but she doesn't quite hit the jackpot for me in terms of feel all the time, very powerful but her healing abilities leave a lot to be desired, like most of the time I might completely forget to toss a grenade when playing as her and my HP suffers for it lol) 1. Zane (the perfect fit for someone like me who loves high speed, high velocity, crazy running and gunning gameplay, just hits all the right spots for me and has such easy and incredible healing factor)
And now continuing, lol you're ranking EVERY INDIVIDUAL tree haha. Should've held my tongue. But generally I would still have most individual trees around the same where I put the characters themselves. Most of Zane's I'd have in the top spots, most of Moze's I would too.
For me, the skill that allows Zane to move around at just speeds that practically surprised the game keep up with and being able to just have your clone. Just kill everything as you run by is just fun. Now that doesn’t mean that I don’t use my own guns but will say freezing in the enemies occasionally unless you have frozen heart and icebreaker victory rush, then everything‘s frozen.
Thanks for the tier list on skills. I was mainly looking for info on Zane because when I look him up people talk about his invisibility and clone but I want a movement character and he sounds perfect
As a Zane main, I can tell you he is very versatile. I usually go for a Clone/Drone build. This build gives you the air support of the Drone with the distraction the Clone gives you. The Orange Tree capstone, Double Barrel, is crazy if you activate the Clone when you have a strong gun. Just don't give it a launcher because it won't last long.
I think you're underrating Moze's blue tree's ability to just relentlessly spam grenades. Personally, the way I like to do it is to have quasar equipped, max out means of destruction, and just mash the grenade key while firing since you can do that now. Keep all the enemies in one place while they get minced by a cryo element shredifier. Covers all of your damage bases if you have cloud of lead, and if you have short fuse those exploding bullets are now hitting EVERYTHING. It's a total lightshow.
Vampyr IS her ONLY survival tree btw. It does do iron bear cooldown REAL well btw - just not the one you think I think it's grizzled not sure... you can have obscene cooldown reduction simply by getting kills with iron bear so just hop out and kill with it and bubble shield AND kill with iron bear. Hilarity ensues as you always have IB up.
Kinda? Her SOR tree gives her shield regen and is focused on shields. She has a headshot skill that is an instant 10% and recharge, which when combined with her other skills can make her surprisngly resilient
Back before the Mayhem levels Mayhem Brawl was a ton of fun. You were literally flying through maps on the power of punch killing everything in one hit. And then mayhem scaling caused all of it to stop working
nah the moze blue tree slander is crazy. it literally makes you immortal with a cmt and gives you nearly infinite damage. also the flak riding is nuts he easily has the worst skill trees in the game orange tree has megavore and that is basically it, and nobody would go into green tree if it didn't have pet revive or have the fadeaway bonuses. blue tree's only real use is the better pet bonuses skill. at least purple tree has the loader that you can get to do billions of damage with certain grenades.
Fl4k blue tree can be busted under certain circumstances. Use the class mod that makes enemies focus on your pet, pop gamma burst, build all in on pet damage, and use one of the guns that repeatedly lowers enemy defense (haven't played in a while, don't remember all the names). You can make enemies just reflect absurd damage back onto themselves any time they hit your pet, and you're never under threat because they are always focused on your pet.
I haven't touched this game since the Handsome Jackpot when my Moze grenade build got nerfed into the ground. With the hoopla around the movie, it got me to reinstall every Borderlands game I own. After watching this, I think I'm going to give BL3 a 2nd chance with either Zane or Moze. Thanks for the breakdown, dude!
@@ConstantCanadian So I beat the main campaign last night, and I'm glad I chose Moze. At launch, Iron Bear did no damage, which led to most builds just jumping in and out to proc anointments and tossing Hex grenades. What excited me about this video was listening to Bear Mother; from launch, I wanted to pilot a mech suit and never get out, and that's what the Purple Tree offers. Also, Bear Cub is amazing; when I get a new gun I want to use, I can change to Cub and still get use out of my action skill without it being it useless like it was on Gun Krieg or Blast Master Brick. I don't agree with Demo Woman being "boring" but I do hate how little damage Moze has spread out through her other trees. I am Lv 60 right now so I've been messing around with new skill combinations since I like making my own builds, and it always leads right back to fully spec'ing into Short Fuse + Skag Den. Bottomless Mags is my favorite but Click Click is so useless for damage when I never get below 90% of my mag on any enemy with a crit to proc Redistribution + Forge. Demo Woman is only disappointing because it's her only source of damage outside of the Red Tree and I hate that Tree with a passion. I liked Axton's kill skills, but Moze's give me anxiety as I constantly lose shields between fights, and to boost my damage, I have to be below Health Gate and lower my fire rate. Bear Mother alone made me fall back in love with Moze, which helped a lot because I didn't really like any of the other Vault Hunters at launch. Thanks for convincing me to give BL3 another chance with this video, I might do another fresh playthrough with Zane.
Fl4ks Master tree suffers immensely from the garbage pet AI, if pets weren't so stupid then pet builds would actually work and the skill tree were worth something.
I think the odd thing about moze's demolition tree and her explosions downing her is that she's probably the best person to be immune to her own splash damage and grenades, yet that skill oddly enough goes to zane, who in my opinion is the least likely to need grenade immunity
I think moze would be too easy if she were immune to explosives personally. It's the one thing that makes you think and approach things strategically, and I feel it's really cool for an explosive based character
@@frazfrazfrazfraz that's fair. I think my biggest annoyance is yhe fact that tongue guns damage you, since in the 2nd game they didn't. Other types of splash damage are fair, but it means that using guns good for her build means killing yourself if someone gets too close
There's a way to milk scorching RPMs and click click to hilarious effect - ESPECIALLY with a green monster - don't undersell it (if only you knew what 8 or 9 ranks in scorching does with enough of blue and green tree...)
It was such a damn tragedy playing Borderlands 3 the first time. I did everything, I unlocked all of the VP bonuses (except the gun cuz I forgot) I was planning who I wanted to play ahead of time. I was so excited to playing Borderlands 3’s melee character! Brick, Krieg, Athena, Zero, Borderlands has such a great history with melee characters! And then… Amara is just a fumble of a melee character AND PERSONAL SPACE DOESNT APPLY TO MELEE? WHY GEARBOX? Also, instead of just coping phasegrasp they could have made it so the enemy is dragged to Amara so that she can melee them?!? Just man, it was such a let down when I hit 50 on the second play through having completely abandoned melee.
Melee is definitely a backup for Amara and not a focus, which means BL3 really doesn't have a melee character. There's still real support though such as Fish Slap and Facepuncher.
I was hoping Amaras melee tree would give her an actual melee skill, something akin to Brick or Krieg where she uses her giant arms but yknow that would make too much sense
@@SomersBugtopiayou could Kiiiiinda do a melee charecter with Moze if you give Iron Bear dual claws but yeah iys not the same, it sucks because no other vault hunter has felt so good to play for me except Krieg
For Amara, I honestly don't go near her purple tree. If I need cryo damage, I'm better off just using a weapon with it. The green tree I only work to the third tier for extra melee damage and passive healing until I get the skill for life steal. FL4K Edit: No complaints here. Can't go wrong with whichever you go down first (although orange is quite the standout). Blue tree is saved for TVHM. Better Pet bonuses have been fun from gun damage, movement speed, and slight damage reduction. Moze Edit: SoR at C? Damn. I find it makes a cakewalk of most enemies. Blue tree mostly downs me if I use the Kaos. Makes a good secondary tree. Green tree I used for a COV Moze build which I abandoned halfway because damage wasn't as good (which meant I ran straight back to the orange tree). And I never gave the purple tree much attention because of a particular bug that prevented Cub from spawning and the skill was broken. Other than that, DW has good skills for increasing Bear's duration and maintaining it. Perhaps one day, I'll try to give Cub some love and not relay on brutish power. Zane Edit: Like FL4K, no contest. Genuinely has something good in his trees. And unlike the other three, I believe he has the most useful if not the only useful Arms Race exclusive mod, being able to further increase the duration (and effect iirc) of his kill skills. My favorite character for sure.
The only reason id even bother going for fl4ks purple tree is to put missiles on my robot pet for some reason he decimates bosses when u make him use the missiles
Idk much on the game cause i only got through the game once with pretty much only specing into blue tree for siren but i find that its pretty good overall cept it sucks vs some bosses... or mayhaps thats a me problem being on xbox and whatnot also was prety much only using asult riffles, shotguns, and smgs as my weapons.... also didn't really see anything that was that interesting in her trees at all aside from alot of blue tree (also don't got any of the dlc)
@blazesona12 Amara is one of, if not the worse character for single target damage, making her performance against bosses kinda meh. But her skills remnant in the blue tree and indiscriminate, and ties that bind in the red tree make her the best for mobbing. That's why using the revolter is very common practice for her, as it's an easy increase to single target damage
You left out Zanes "Eraser" skill which allows you Zane to output more Damage than Moze ever can. Moxsy one-shot a modded 1 trillion HP Graveward and Zane did around 2.7 Quadrillion Damage (If thats a number).... Check him out. Zane can do WAY more damage than moze.... He set up Graveward to have One Trillion Health and Zane with the right gear still one Shot..... Zanes Skill outranks ALL the Vault Hunters in past games.
I wish action skill scaling was done properly on launch as I would have loved moze a lot more compared to the other 3 and would have mained her instead of Amara. As the phasegrasp, stalker and hitman builds were all viable end game gun builds as action skill scaling sucked and moze didn’t really except the Grenade build. Crazy to think with a new skill tree for each character and action skill scaling she is now my main/favourite and Amara got a bit stale and boring after playing her for so long and phasegrasp being my favourite skill and tree didn’t help as it’s basically just maya which I’ve already got thousands of hours playing and I don’t like her new skill tree or the brawler tree as melee is not my thing in borderlands with the exception of Lilith phasewalk or Athena if I’m not playing Jack or Wilhelm. Which dosen’t surprise me as I normally play the solider or siren class in every borderlands game.
I will argue that Zane's blue tree sucks cuz it's just a road down As a tree is doesn't rly offer much choice You just pick all skills down and that's it Sure that means there is almost no bad skill here BUT The tree should have more options or be spread out a bit more over other trees
@@ConstantCanadian you 100% don't understand then Most skill trees basically should offer options for a thing Say kills But all the tree does is give you one road down where you pick all skills and there aren't any options You just take it all Thats just a skill line There isn't any room to change up how the skills work or something else you CAN pick that changes the play style I am effectively missing a few more skills in that tree 1-2 in each row actually Just to give Zane some more options Example are actions kill boosters like for the drone? Still would have wanted a skill that resets the bombardment skill of the drone on kill Just as an example for what Zane rly needed to make his kit a bit more versatile Let's ignore the broken ass skills in purple and green tree specifically barrier as that thing is bugged to hell and back But there are so many things you could put into the tree to make the action skills more interesting
@@ConstantCanadian skills I'd love for Zane Resets for skills on kill Granting kill skills to the action skills themselves Kill skills for shields / nades Melee boost that stacks with kills so you can charge up a mega melee and then unload to a boss or a badass Adding random elements or effects into the next mag as a kill skills And I could legit keep going but that's just a lil bit of stuff you could put down And not even remotely everything Other characters suffer from the other issue btw You pointed out mozes tree with IB and splash Which just doesn't rly work That one's the opposite problem
@@gadrielvanorion9872 I would go as far as to say that Zane needs absolutely nothing added to his kit. There are already huge upsides to using him as the VH with little to no downsides. His blue skill tree is a little devoid of "options" but not every tree can be filled with options and still result in a balanced play experience. One of the examples you had was a skill that charges up a turbo melee move, which is a cool idea that should absolutely be looked at for the other VHs. Zane can't be the elements guy, the melee guy, the options guy, the best grenade guy, and the guy that gets rid of his grenades for a second skill guy too. There are 4 vault hunters, and we were upset we didn't get more of them even though each one ended up with 4 skill trees that all dwarfed the BL2 skill trees. Borderlands 3 didn't need more quantity, it needed more quality.
I think in future it would be better to put the skill on screen when referring to it for players that don’t know the names? I know it’s a little bit of a gripe since you’re not yet being paid to do this… I think?
I'm not sure specifically what you're talking about, but it might be remnant, it sends an orb out when you kill an enemy that does any overkill damage from the enemy you killed, it gets scaled with mayhem, so that makes it insanely op at M10/11
I've only played Zane and FL4K so I don't have any opinions of Moze or Amara. On FL4K I use Gamma Burst, but I used Fade Away to farm Graveward to max level. I use the clone and drone on Zane. I can't remember anything specific, I haven't played BL3 in a while.
Zane's green tree is next to worthless. Blue tree has salvation, so staying up isn't really benefited beyond what other trees provide. It's only real benefit is being able to Amp shots through the barrier for launcher and redistributor builds. But the tree itself has not one vital skill at endgame.
@@DuggyDarko Gearbox started it by threatening to ban anyone who didn’t refer to fl4k that way on official forums. Seeing people STILL play along with gearbox on that will always and forever warrant a negative response from me
