Everything WRONG With The Guns In Fallout New Vegas (All Long Guns) 

Whoops I committed blasphemy! Here's some clarifications and corrections bc y'all gonna out nerd me in the comments. The M1887 also has a 10 gauge variant. No 20G though Yes there are some custom AR-15s with side charging handles, but those are the exception, not the rule. Plus it's cursed. And No, the service rifle is not based on the .308 AR-10 at all. The shape of the receiver and furniture is completely different. It's very clearly a 5.56 M16 with wood furniture. The AR-10 doesn't have wood furniture btw, it's just brown fiberglass. Apparently after decades of wear and tear, the M1 Garand's bolt may stop automatically closing during a reload, so perhaps that part checks out after all. (I'm just going off what some people said in the comments for this one) The bolt on the cowboy repeater clips through the rear sight when cycling the action. Literally unplayable Your character holds the AMR with a traditional rifle grip, despite it having a pistol grip. Completely missed that detail oof

Okay so, the bent iron sights on the survivalist rifle are actually Zeroed just fine. If you line it up just to the right of the irons, it's dead accutate

If I’m not mistaken the story behind the Bozar was that in Fallout 2 it was originally intended to be a sniper rifle, but due to either a bug or a mistake it ended up being both automatic and somewhat overpowered, and they ended up making that first part canon when FNV added it.

I really like that the Survivalist's Rifle has "Arrêt!" and "Stop!" on the stock, implying he was a checkpoint guard in Canada and wanted to communicate with both English and French-speaking Canadians.

Most polymers require oil and oil is rather rare in Fallout universe, so the use of wood furniture in Service rifle is perfectly justified.

The Survivalist's Rifle must've been in Randalls possession for about 50 years. I've always thought that made it special

The reason the lmg is so weird is in part because there’s a hard limitation in the base game for the amount of animations you could put in. It was such a problem that a mod that was able to fix it was revolutionary for the nv animation community

for the service rifle, another lore reason to use wood furniture in fallout is due to petroleum oil, a major ingredient for polymer, was in very short supply, even pre war.

The “plastic tumor” on the marksman rifle acog is supposed to be the iron sight on top of older 2002 acogs the front post is missing on it which makes sense considering how easy it falls off. Also those early acogs didn’t have the iconic chevron reticle and instead had a crosshair like one as we see in game.

The Garand/Battle Rifle really missed an opportunity to have the "garand thumb" situation happen when it starts to malfunction due to repair state. Imagine being in a heated battle with a Deathclaw when you have to reload and you manage to catch your thumb in the port :P

Survivalist rifle is INTENDED to be more like Beowulf, but instead of adding a whole new ammo type they just shrugged and let it use 12.7 which is more like .50AE

A lot of the animation weirdness comes from the limited number of animations available due to engine limitations. You got La Longue Carabine right - it reuses the reload of the BB Gun, because there was no available reload animation for a toploader that wouldn't have had very obvious clipping with the scope. I imagine there's a similar reason for the Hunting Shotgun's idle animation.

The 5mm in the assault carbine was simply there because josh sawyer wanted something other than the minigun to use the 5mm round. This is probably also why the lever action shotgun is chambered in 20 guage The marksman carbine was supposed to have a top laser dot sight, but they obviously couldn’t figure out how to get that to work in the engine. Bozar is weird ass holdover from fallout 2, the bozar in that game was supposed to be a regular sniper but was made full auto due to a bug. They kept that when adding this into the game The bolt on the cowboy repeater clips through the pinhole sight

“Filipinos don’t exist in fallout” As a Filipino I was dying laughing

Oddly enough, having shot , and known those who have shot more, the M1. The infamous M1-Thumb... It's not really a thing. Your thumb hinges, not stretches. The only way you could do it, under normal use, would cause problems getting the clip to lock in. You would have to be pushing down on the noses of the rounds, and basically shove your thumb into the chamber. In the normal place you shove, the bolt pushes your thumb out of the way. The ONE time I managed to bite myself, it barely even hurt.

If I recall correctly, the devs decided to put the lesser known PGM Hecate II because so many other games had the Barrett 50 and they just wanted something different.

The hunting shotgun has such a weird animation because it uses the default rifle animations, which have the Courier's hand pretty far back. So instead of making a whole new set of animations, they just altered the firing animation to suit it. All a part of the "this game was made in 18 months" factor.

Fun fact on the original armalite rifles (ar) the charging handle was on top of the rifle under the carry handle

As someone with a 1942 M1 Garand, it’s quite common for a lot of M1s to not automatically charge forward after releasing pressure. This is usually do to wear n tear over the years and given that these rifles are probably hundreds of years old I’d be surprised if any of them could still do it. I have to slam mine forward every time so no garand thumb for me :( love the video!

What I do like about the lore behind the Survivalists Rifle is the fact it was being used as a checkpoint rifle at the Canadian border. If you know how .50 Beowolf came to be it was meant to be used on a swapable upper for the M4 and M16 for the military to use as a checkpoint rifle. The idea was to use a cartridge that could potentially disable a vehicles engine. It wasn't super effective so it's main market is with civilians now but in the Fallout timeline it was apparently adopted as 12.7mm.

Funny story, the bozar in fallout 2 was originally going to be a sniper rifle. When they were coding the gun, they fudged up and gave it assault rifle stats (thus the full auto) it is ridiculous, but its my favorite fallout original.

I never noticed the forward assist coming back detail. Also, the assault carbine is pretty useful since it has the armor piercing capability by default

You forgot the ratslayer which is a polymer varmint rifle with a suppressor and a night scope

I am a Filipino, and can confirm, we stopped existing in the Fallout universe.

I thought the reason the La Longue Carabine was reloaded through the barrel was because to attach the scope, Cpl Sterling had to weld the round feed closed. If you look at the gun, it's covered in welding marks FROM him modifying it this way. I always thought it was weird as a kid, too, but there IS a reason for it.

Actually for the Service Rifle one of the Dev's Josh Sawyer commented that the service rifles are pre-War, and are a "sorta" mish-mash of an AR-15 and AR-10a. If you look up the orginal AR-10a prototype you will see it has a charging handle on the side

THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT. THE GOAAAAT.

the whole Bozar trying to be a sniper/machine gun hybrid is a call back to Fo2 where the Bozar was meant to be a sniper weapon but a bug turned it into a machine gun so when they brought the gun back in Fnv they tried to make it good at both roles only to make it really bad at both

So I think the reason the garand bolt being needed to move forward is because it’s so old at this point. Its common on worn out M1’a to have a sticky charging handle

My headcanon about the riot shotgun is that it was intended for less lethal and tear gas shells for riot control (thus the name), which is why it has a drum mag and no stock, as it would fire shells with less propellant have less recoil. And since in the post war people have to make do with what they find, they use it with letal rounds. Would be cool if it had more recoil than all other shotguns to indicate this.

the worst part about the service rifles and its counterparts is that there IS side charging Armalite receivers and bolts but those were completely ignored

Obsidian Entrainment had 18 months to make this game, and they had to use a lot of assets from Fallout 3 to get this game finished, so compromises had to be made to many things like the guns so cut them some slack because building an entire new game from scratch is a lot more difficult than you might think

13:56 Pistol grip in BAR was earlier - in Rkm wz. 28 (Polish version of BAR), it also had changed sights, bipod, longer ribbed barrel and converted to 7.92x57mm

I'm pretty sure the service rifle is supposed to be a mix between the M16 and the Ar10 hence the wood furniture.

The worst part about the problems with the All-American and Survivalist's Rifle is that they're prewar manufacture. You can chalk problems with the Service Rifle and other guns made by the Gun Runners up to problems with wasteland machining or knowledge gaps, but the AA and SR were explicitly made before the war.

The Anti material rifle should get 4.5 bottlecaps because theres obviously a pistol or rifle grip for the player to hold but the animation shows the player holding that 600 ton weapon being held like the m1 garand

In regards to the ACOG issue you brought up when I served in the military, I had an ACOG with both the basic kind of reticle that the marksman carbine has and the Chevron reticle for my M4, so both do exist and have seen military service

I'm a little surprised you didn’t mention the weird way the courier holds the Anti Material Rifle.

found this on the wikipedia page on the service rifle Josh Sawyer commented that the service rifles are pre-War, a "sorta" mish-mash of an AR-15 and AR-10. the ar-15 would go on to become the m-16 platform in real life, i looked him up josh sawyer was the project director and lead designer for fallout new vegas

the service rifle forward assist fuckup is due to the FNV engine limitations its made that way so it can be used during the malfunction animation, its most likely connected to the bolt in the model

Hey man just so you know youtube "accidentally" isn't sending me notifications when you upload

5mm in fallout universe seems to be some sort of .22 rifle redesign. Essentially, at some point the decision to ditch rimmed rounds never took place and rimmed rounds are a thing. From the looks of it in original game it seems that it's either some sort of .22 hornet derrivative (Which makes sense history-wise, cartridge was studied for implementation in actual army rifles before the rimmed rounds ditch), but armor properties seem to look at certain modifications. The closest IRL counterpart that comes to mind is little known 4.5×26mm MKR cartridge, essentially a .22 winchester round necked to an aerodynamical pornography of 4.5mm bullet. Neat little thing that, unfortunately, never took off.

22:30 Weirdly enough, the Single Shotgun's overworld model does actually have a trigger. Yet when it's equipped by someone, it disappears.

6:05 “…And as far as we know, Filipinos don’t exist in Fallout.” Meanwhile here I am playing a Fallout game with a Filipino-ethnic character that also makes great use of his 2A rights. This isn’t only because of representation sake by the way because I happen to be Filipino myself. But it’s also because I’m writing a book that has this protagonist which I’ve created him through Fallout 4’s character creation along with the wonderful mods that we have access to. The book is called “The Road Ranger” and it’s about a young former Army Ranger veteran who wants to reconnect with his parents after serving/fighting for six years as a conscript. Although things were going well in the beginning, things slowly take an ugly turn after his mother and stepfather are going through a bad patch and weeks later, his mom is shot dead by a sniper which is the catalyst of the story’s main events. He tries to let the police do their job but after his lady friend, *hint hint wink wink* an FBI agent Maria Garcia, tells him they decided to not go through the investigation despite her best efforts on his behalf, Matt decides to take matters into his own hands by looking for the murderer himself and kill anyone who gets in the way. The story is inspired by The Punisher but also carries heavy inspirations from Fallout. Mainly being the world the characters live in like their hometown of Calivada which is California and Nevada as one country after an apocalyptic event, and his sleek black full-body armor which is described to be a full set of tactical gear but his helmet strongly resembles the NCR Veteran Ranger helmet. And he rocks the M4 Carbine SOPMOD as his primary and the Glock 19 Pistol as his sidearm. By the way, his name is Matt Santos which is inspired by the biblical Saint Matthew who is known to have a thick skin personality which is something Matt Santos also has. He’s described having light-brown skin and almond-shaped eyes which is very prominent with Filipinos. Along with an athletic bodybuild which reflects his experience as a former elite soldier. As a citizen of Calivada, he exudes American-like qualities like with the way he speaks. Edit: Although Matt Santos is the protagonist of the story, the name of the Road Ranger is not mentioned by word until the very end of the story.

I always forget that the New Vegas Bozar isn't bullpup because one of my favorite mods for Fallout 4 is the Bullpup Bozar. It doesn't help that, as you say in the video, it looks like the NV Bozar is supposed to be bullpup.

😂 that ATF pov 😂

Due to the global shortages of petroleum, the manufacture of polymers would be very limited and much more costly. The polymer-body "tacticool" weapons are canonical and would be used in more specialized roles, so wood and metal bodies for standard-issue firearms in the prewar era also made logical sense.

The assault carbine is very effective vs. armored opponents due to the rounds being innately armor-piercing. I think the 5mm round is loosely based on either the British 4.85mm round, but it could also just be something designed in the future. In general, I think most of the weapons in-game are future designs/redesigns rather than old stuff that we already have today.

I play new vegas before even being aware of the fallout series, I just pick it randomly and what made me do it was the anti-material rifle.

In my head the Fallout 5mm round is something like the g11 4,73x33 mm experimental round. Something between .30 carbine and 5,56 kinetic emergy wise. A small, very lightweight and very fast experimental round (very high velocity and low bullet mass could explain the armor piercing capabilities and low damage)

the La Lounge Carabine does use the BB gun's reload animation so that's why you also hear the BB sound-effect.

As a Filipino, I can confirm we literally do not exist in the Fallout franchise

The service rifle is indeed based

The marksman carbine was actually supposed to have the integrated reflex sight which is why the plastic tumor is just left there

3:54 In the lore, the assault carbine was used as a paratrooper gun, and the reason they used 5mm for it was because its lighter and more portable than 5.56.

garand thumb probably was never an issue in actual combat but when the rifle is empty it can be an issue because most people just put the clip back in it which is where you actually get garand thumb because there arent any bullets to stop it it will just kinda slam forward but in normal operation you would only get garand thumb with a heavily used and worn m1 garand. when you load the m1 the bullets stop it from slamming forward under its own power you have to bump the charging handle to get it to go into battery

Love brandyboy's gun reviews

6:13 Interesting note. There is an Italian-Filipino mad Max knockoff from 1985 that has a faction much like thr NCR and a rocketship cult like the Hubologists or Bright Followers.

11:37 I would say that the "Bozar" is based on a prototype of a light machine gun according to the SAW program, which was called XM248

As someone who very recently got into the AR platform and even put together my build to replicate the M16A1, I greatly appreciated that breakdown of the Service Rifle to start XD

It looks like the lever action shotgun has a bayonet lug on the end of it.

Bozar was supposed to be a sniper back in fo2 I belive but the accidentally made it full auto,so if it looks wierd for a lmg, that's why

I don’t know if anyone has said this yet but the bolt not closing immediately after pushing the enblock in on the battlefrifle (m1 garand) really makes since if the rifle hasn’t been cleaned or greased up. It was a common thing to manually push the bolt forward on the Garand in unfavorable conditions, like the a dusty wasteland. Loved the video and new Vegas tho :)

20:07 The reload for LLC is actually reused from the BB Gun, and the awkward animation where you just play with the tube and its fully loaded is shared with Fallout 3's Lever-Action Rifle.

Love these videos. Would you make a video about body armor in Fallout?

Should mention with the sights on the LMG. There are some guns that have sights like that. Specifically on the Lakeside Vindicator. It’s a super odd system, but does exist in real rifle.

I get that it’s wrong but this game was made back when people didn’t know how guns worked unless they owned guns.

Bro you are amazing of discussing the guns in this game that i even didnt realize after playing it so much. And giving pointers of the weapons in the game to fit in the lore is top notch. If some one is making a game and needed pointers of weaponries they would instantly go to you for help with the functions that fit the game and make more immersive and flat out amazing mechanics of the game to balance out. And not only that make the legendary guns have it true to there names

You're a really underrated channel I like your style. Keep on

I believe the 5mm round of Fallout is based on 5.56x30mm MARS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_MARS from late 1990s It was an experimental round designed for PDWs and carbines created by shortening the case of 5.56x45. Compared to then-standard 5.56 NATO round, if both were fired out of 10.5in barrel, the MARS bullet was just about 100-120fps slower, but with much less muzzle report and lower recoil.

Quick note on the M1 Garand loading operation: Most M1 Garands didn't close on their own after a clip was inserted into the magazine of the firearm, it was usually due to poor maintenance, a dirty gun, or general wear and tear on the internals that caused this. So out of the box, the M1 Garand is *supposed* to be loaded via inserting a clip, and smacking the charging handle forwards to assist it into battery, as the bolt was supposed to stay locked back unless operated in any way. Another note as well for the Marksman Carbine. The reason why it's a "Marksman Rifle" despite being so short is for it's flexibility, as this carbine configuration was usually outfitted with a reflex sight, rather then an ACOG, *although* an ACOG could be utilized as a reflex sight, due to some models of the ACOG having backup iron sights on the top of the scope, like ow it's partially modeled ingame. It's based on a real rifle configuration used for a time by the Air Force, I believe.

2:57 Also in the Fallout timeline, plastics were used much less pre war than in our world. That's why you can find glass syrgines and soda bottles. So using polymers in guns may not have been a thing pre-war, they'd have still been steel. A wooden furtinture would be lighter but less durable. However it would also get less hot or cold on the wooden parts after being hostlered on the back of a trooper for hours under the mojave sun or desert night. I'm not sure whether or not it would be cheaper. Trees don't fare very well being nuked, and it takes centuries for them to grow. While iron and carbon just stay in the ground. But I would buy the circumstances of material manufacture and reclimination making it cheaper. I can't see the NCR spending more money to make a gun that's more user friendly.

It might be the mods you have installed but the all American airborne sticker is normal in my game. It’s on there with and without it equipped.

"As far as we know, Filipinos don't exist in Fallout" this is the content i subscribed for

Most of these can be forgiven as alot of these guns are reproductions by the runners and NCR, they arent the original guns they're based on

Great content and great art in story telling. Glad I found the channel.

I love the Service Rifle in this game and really want a set of wood furniture for my AR. That being said, I'm not paying hundreds of dollars for a custom set of furniture.

The 5mm cartridge I’ve always decided it was 5.7mm just simplified plus it explains why the 5mm cartridge naturally has -10 defense implying AP capability And the 12.7mm for the Survivalist rifle is SUPPOSED TO BE the .50 Beowulf

The main reason for the weapon and animation errors is that Fallout NV was made in the old times where the entire game had to fit on a single double sided DVD or less than 5GB. So choosing between altering the guns and clipping animations or cutting content to save invaluable storage space, we know which the developer chose.

The marksman carbine's scope was SUPPOSED to be an acog/red dot, but they couldnt figure out how to intuitively let you switch between the two so they just made the red dot into the tumor.

The Bozar is so beyond cursed every playthrough I just download the mod that makes it have a real acog instead of the sniper scope

Did I miss it or did you not include the regular sniper rifle

On the M1 Garrand, we could consider the age of it, by the time of the game, the M1 is like 400 years old, the receiveer is likely just a little sticky

How can you simultaneously be so attentive to detail as to be the only game ever to utilize the forward assist properly yet mess up so many other basic things on an AR?

there's chinese in fallout, they might have imported philipino mags

Based of doesn't mean is

The 5mm rounds in the original Fallouts may have been the experimental 5×44mm ARES/5×54mm ARES plastic cased telescoped cartridges.

The muzzle device on the service rifle looks like the ones for rifle grenades, that would be pretty cool as an alternate ammo.

“Filipinos don’t exist in fallout” It’s true (starts fading away with a comical curvy mag)

Well I guess I don’t exist, peace

Another reason for not using polymer: There's no oil to make plastics out of, making it impossible to create.

Fallout NV Challenge: Only travel using the Carbine slide.

"POV: ATF" as he's mowing down dogs. I spat out my drink.

You said you have a 3080 in an old Fallout 4 video, right? You might want to check out New Vegas Reloaded, it’s a graphical mod that adds shadows to the wasteland. I also have a 3080, and it runs decently after some configuration (65-80 FPS)

0:26 "Obviously, the Service Rifle is based" -ItsYaBoyBrandyBoy

Damn. I, as a Filipino, have been deleted from Fallout completely. Even the bombs and the likely Chinese occupation in universe couldn't hurt me this much.

The anti material rifle is the *Anti cringe rifle*

bros on his zach hazard shi

6:20 This is a good example of when a 2-D image is referenced by a 3-D modeler, which has to then be "brought to life" by 3-D animators with no firearms experience/knowledge. Like, born under a rock levels of firearm awareness, likely needing a final pass by somebody with a "cool uncle" or something. I'm totally with you on the tone of this video, but your own knowledge is only marginally higher than whoever designs the guns in COD today, so chill a bit; If you can tell what the process likely was, you'd realize you're being too harsh on the wrong things, showing shortcomings in your understanding of game design. We are, after all, here looking at a video game, basing all of this on true-to-life accuracy, forgetting when this game was even made I guess.

I can't stand when people tell me my Survivalists Rifle is "wrong" because it's not side charging. I literally do not care, I'm not cutting up a C7 upper because some modeler didn't look closely enough at the IRL thing or they ran out of time to do another reload animation.