Everything WRONG With The Guns In Fallout New Vegas (Pistols & SMGs) 

You fucked up. You said FACTS. Remember facts are bad, because 9 out of 10 times facts are truth and logic, and a certain type of people who have flagged your videos say facts are not allowed as it doesn't fit with any of the BULLSHIT NARRATIVES they lie through their teeth about.

The sights are an issue with both the 9mm and the .45 pistol. When I play New Vegas I don't use the on screen reticle, I like Iron Sights. The .22 Pistol has pretty decent Iron Sights.

A revolver can work with a rifle cartridge, but needs a design modification of a mechanism that pushes the cartridge up passed the bullet right up to the neck of the cartridge into the breach and pressure held like that every time the trigger starts to get pulled and then the mechanism lets go at the end of the trigger pull, cylinder turns and repeat. Downside I see is it potentially blowing up in the cylinder.

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I know it’s due to limitations but they are still better than fo4’s 💀💀💀💀💀💀

Lmao

I want to believe is done on porpouse to show the gun as much as possible...I want to believe...

i see some people playing cod games at 10 million fov, like bro just play at 90, the ADS is a full scope zoom

You don't wanna see the stupid animations, so you move 59499385 lightyears away from that mfer

@@thesomewhatfantasticmrfox quake pro go crazy ong

RCW does stand for Rapid Capacitor Weapon, so you were right to assume that, I'm no expert but capacitors work by absorbing power and discharging it rapidly so my working theory is it loads charge from the cell into the capacitors similar to how a gatling gun loads bullets into its barrels to allow the fully automatic fire

@@louissteyn6871 That was my interpretation as well

@@OlaftheGreat at least you can justify the recoil as the result of whatever mechanism is used to rotate between the capacitors but I doubt it would be as extreme as shown in game

That’s funny part of the lore. What I remembered correctly, during the war in Alaska, a lot of American soldiers who were given energy weapons keep complaining to do the lack of recoil. So the military decided to add some kind of recoil device to their energy weapons as a form of a placebo so the soldiers stop whining. That’s what I remember on the why laser weapons have recoil.

The big circle things in the drum are actual capacitors, with their caps being exposed allowing malfunctioning capacitors to expand, saving the whole gun from being wrecked, hot-swapping the bad boys. The power pack feeds them all and they discharge one by one. That's why gun both produces rather agressive shooting sound and that's why it can shoot so fast. The real problem comes with the way ammo treated in 3d fallout universe. Original games were bundling ammo in small batches, with batteries acting like they are supposed to (One battery holding several charges, the rest of ammo had the excuse of being represented as literal bundles, clips or even whole ammo boxes) when transitioning to 3d, said batteries should have take Fallout 4's fusion core approach, allowing you to get different mileage with different equipment, with laser RCW being very effective (Because battery is not drained in short big sucks, rather getting steady slow drain). But same fallout 4 showed the problem with it: Partially spent fusion cores can absolutely clutter the inventory into oblivion. As a result, you have a world model of proper battery, but no battery shenanigans. It gets even worse from here, with all guns having different ammo count using same amount of batteries and it's indepedent of ammo per shot consumption. You get ECP (Which is meant to hold 60 "rounds" with one gun and get 60 shots with 1 shot per trigger pull. Then you get the gun that gets 30 ammo with ECP, and spends 15 per shot. Why not 60 and 30? Why not 60/20? Why not 60/10? Why it has to use exactly 15 and get 30 in reload from same batter that gives 60 when being proper?

I am surprised that he didn't mention the original .223 pistol when he covered that, as the reason why it is a nonsensical 5.56 pistol and not a laser. Though maybe he was hinting at that with the rating of 2.23 bottlecaps. As for the 12.7mm smg, others have pointed out that the Calico does the "sights on the magazine" meme. I think it is as bad an idea as it sounds though. Not that I've had the pleasure of shooting one, but I have read that reloading ruins your zero. Let's be real here tho, a Calico doesn't need to be zeroed, it's for magdumping that helical mag and then cursing loudly when it jams halfway through it. Also the bolt of the 12.7mm works just fine... When you're thinking with portals!

.22 Hornet is pretty much a bottleneck cartridges

@@TheSpellShell I wonder if the round indexes forward into the barrel as it cycles somehow like that nagant

​@@ZonaExcludoIan from Forgotten Weapons did a great series of videos about those mags. Sound tricky as heck to load properly, but when they are carefully and correctly prepared, they seem to do great?

Is this ever mentioned by anyone in game or is this from the older games or from a non game lore source I generally would like to know.

@@biotoxin6280 Josh Sawyer himself said it on the official Bethesda forums.

@@biotoxin6280 Game director of New Vegas Joshua Sawyer said this statement in a interview for the game.

Shame the mag doesn't load in the front like it should. :(

Isn't it described as a Sig Saur 14mm pistol rechambered to the more common 12.7 mm?

@@lurkingedge Even then loading in the grip looks odd the way its shaped.

New vegas classic weapons pack (complete with hitman's animation pack) has a super badass and fun 14mm pistol, along with some other great classic guns

​​​​@@Aurum100 because it's not meant to load from the grip. The grip on the 12.7mm pistol is supposed to work like a revolver grip so it has a sharp bend to it making it impractical to load a magazine into. They just needed to reuse the regular pistol reload animation so had to force it to be loaded through the grip

Problem is that, so what if it's cursed? Does every game really need to be that copy-pastaed real life weapons done to death by every other game already? This is exactly why he forgone the Barrett for the Hecate -- yeah it's real life, but it's different. And that is what these weapons were supposed to be, different, creative. What BB and a lot of other modern-tactishit guns in Nexus are, uncreative uninspired copy-cats. Sure it's polished, professional, but imaginative and creative it ain't. FO4 Pipe Gun, Assault Rifle. and Combat Rifle might not make sense, is cursed and ugly, but hey it has character.

​@@The6thMessengerIt may look unique but (and I don't mean to quote the lord Todd Howard) it still has to function and be believable to function as it does.

​@@The6thMessengerA great example of this is The Alien Blaster. It still works kind of like a pistol but it's a alien weapon.

​@@SaintlyCrown501Well, I believe that it can function. Ugly but it can. Problem with a lot of certain gun-snobs is that they only believe that it can, if it's following an existing weapon closely, rather of thinking how it can outside the box. Look at the other comments here theorycrafting how the 12.7mm SMG should work. The FO4 Assault Rifle can legit work, a side-mounted magazine has been done before, just look at FG42. The Pipe Gun looks ugly as hell, and the magazine isn't in line the barrel? Maybe a ramp inside the receivers? See the issue here really is largely the proportion issue, but the imagination and concept is there. But certain players are so entitled, so spoiled by COD and Battlefield, they can't think outside of the box.

your ignorance of the word ignorance's use is what's cursed

its also an easter egg for deckard's gun in blade runner. it looks just like it. that was the whole point of that gun in fallout 1

The 5.56 is actually a clone of Irwin's custom .223, but perfected to be better as a sidearm

Jonathan Fergusson on GameSpot is the best at this sort of thing that I've seen so far, and I'm saying this as someone who doesn't know a single thing about guns. He obviously plays games and is perfectly happy accepting some errors, weirdness, or inaccuracies for gameplay, balancing, graphical, or animation reasons.

Can't agree more New Vegas sound and weapon design give the most safisfaction of all Fallout games, and even many FPS games Just give me a Dinner Bell or a Nuka Breaker and everything in my life will be fine

Thank you! I love it and all this slander is crazy. It looks awesome and is good/fun and satisfying to me. I love the reload animation!

I've always been a fan of it because it also looks like it'd be pretty solid for beating the shit out of somebody with that bottom bar

Too small but it would work if it was bigger

@@naiveveg8447 nyehehehehehehe

Yeah its a super V

Its easily the most deadly submachine assault gun, firing deadly armor piercing grenades

That grease gun has a brace on it which makes it a higher calibre. 9 is higher than .45 so it's true - Biden

Let's go Brandon

​@@curtisevans8413"... there's no reason someone needs a weapon of war with 100 rounds..." Biden

Epic biden reference

So, true to form for this guy?

​@@sdghtjsdcgs guh? what you talking about like this is genuinely a question

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@@sdghtjsdcgsWhat?? You do realize the guy has different sponsors beside this. Beside, this is literally the first thing you say after 10 months has passed too lmfao. I get you seems to been new to the channel, but you can ignore the sponsor part and I tend to overlook the sponsors as accusing a gun reviewer of being scummy (which we don’t have any proof of) has no solid grounds anyway

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@@SwordlessNinja As stated above, it's a Role Playing Game, a genre that originates in Pen and Paper Table Top RPGs. General RPG fan bases *want* character building that matters, I.E. They don't want their character to just be *good at everything* there is fun to be found in making a character who has specific strengths and weaknesses and that's what New Vegas is trying to give people. The fire Rate being tied to a trait being part of the system.

@@nicoyazawa6890 yeah your right

I don't know... I feel like that gives unnecessary restrictions and very few avenues to to actually fix the issue. By default always being a modest and slow shooting marksman, unless you take a specific trait with specific downsides which makes you less of a marksman to fix an issue with the gun just not feeling like a proper gun... If perhaps it was dictated by an extent with the agility special or the gun skill actually also affected recoil and/or fire-rate, then that would be more understandable. If your character had a low gun skill, there could be a variety of debuffs with guns, especially single-shot ones to the fire-rate. Automatic guns would likely not have fire-rate debuffs, but harsher accuracy debuffs with each consecutive shot. Both semi-auto and automatic guns could have higher pseudo-recoil as well, larger screen shake (since there is no real recoil) if skill requirements are not met. That being said, perhaps a better more realistic implementation could be if low on the gun skill, you can still fire the gun pretty fast, but the recoil or accuracy (Since there is no recoil in the game) suffers more with each consecutive shot, meaning there's a reason why you'd want to pace your shots. But you can still choose to shoot the gun as fast as realistically possible, maybe slightly or moderately less-so if lowly skilled because of a lack of trigger discipline, lack of trained muscle memory, and lack of ability to compose oneself when firing a firearm, so there definitely could also be a reason as to why some guns (particularly single-shot ones or manual action ones) might shoot slower. Whether it's the solution above or the one listed in the previous paragraph, I think both solve the issue much better than saying you can just fix it with a trait... While a gun being less accurate by shooting it fast doesn't make much real-world sense, I think that would be more acceptable to most player's standards of suspension of disbelief. I also found it really goofy that the two traits somehow also apply to automatic weapon. I think there's more realistic, yet still RPG-friendly ways of implementing stuff like that. I mean maybe there's a trait or perk that increases or decreases the fire-rate because you mod your weapons, if they really wanted to do something like that. Or you could mod each weapon individually and choose which ones to give that fire-rate boost + accuracy penalty or vice versa. But I don't like at all that this is relegated to a trait (not even a perk!) And that trait gives negatives on top of all that. And I certainly don't like the argument that it's some kind of workaround to a fundamental issue with the guns in the game, given how niche and skippable the trait is.

Nope the 9mm is still super slow and i pick wild wasteland and skilled

@@GarrulousHerald Honestly, asking a lot for a game that came out in 2011. If they were to actually release another Obsidian developed Fallout, maybe they could pull off more in depth combat systems. But really combat is treated as a vehicle for role-playing, rather than the main focus. Combat is the place for half of your perk options and traits to show their effects. Fallout 4 had better combat, at the cost of lacking in the role-playing, story, writing, and faction departments

btw the 12.7mm SMG that resemble little bit of the 5.7 machine pistol variant, I forgot the name but it exists

​@@PhongPilot0402the gun it's partially based on is the FN P90, a PDW

A Leper's skin looks better than the FO4 'assault rifle' after it was dragged behind a car for five miles and crashed into by a fuel truck that split and leaked fuel and then burst into flames on top of the leper .. but does that make it any less tragic?

It does and doesn't. The "assault rifle" in FO4 is a decent recreation of the Lewis machine gun, but that makes it very obviously _not_ an assault rifle. Meanwhile, the 12.7mm SMG is a grossly malformed monstrosity that dishonors the lineage of the P90 and probably the nail gun it had a weekend fling with.

Assault vacuum

There have also been a few double action revolvers from s&w and Taurus that use bottle necked cartridges

Not to mention the S&W made several revolvers chambered in .256 Jet

There's also the 5.7 which is a bottlenecked pistol round as well.

@@frogman6346Are there any 5.7x28 revolvers? Seems like that would actually be kind of neat.

@@rifleshooterchannel208 not that I know of. I haven't really thought of that. I don't see why it can't be done. That'd be pretty slick.

whoa, you should tell me more about these, they banned guns in indonesia, only .22 and 9mm rubberized allowed there

I haven't played any Fallout game but was there any reason security companies wouldn't be allowed to use rifles? I mean like actual, canonical reason and not speculation.

@@andreivaldez2929not really unless bethesda ruined the lore even more

I think it is a small nod to the Bolter Gun from Warhammer 40:000. Meant to be used by super soldiers in power armor. And a very high recoil smg meant to be used by soldiers in power armor would fit in Fallout.

I like this idea. Maybe the feds were forcibly buying back all the rifles for use by reservists putting down civil unrest, and companies subverted this by getting the "Not-A-Rifle" for their security

​@@Fuzz82that's why you have to use it with explosive ammo

This. I bought a Ruger Wrangler and was confused that it didn't have a half-cock at all. Asked the clerk how it was supposed to be reloaded and they showed me that the loading gate was all you had to open.

Also to be fair, the Calico is almost as cursed as the 12.7 smg itself.

man you're a gun nerd, kinda like me.

Only .50AE would fit in a p90 magazine, technicaly is like 10mm larger than what the p90 mag takes but hey, close ienoughh

Exactly this.

If that were the case, it wouldn't do magnum-level damage. It's definitely supposed to be more along the lines of .50AE, it's just that the designs for the guns that use it are ass.

@@mattrobson3603 Base Damage per Shot (Damage per Shot with related perks) .45 Auto Submachine Gun, aka Thompson 26 (37,4) 12,7mm Submachine Gun 36 (42,8) So youre saying that this is definitely Magnum-level damage and can't possibly be .50 GI? I'm not buying it. I don't necessarily agree with the gun design either, but there's no sense in bad-mouthing something when there's reasonable explainations for it.

THERE ARE NO MAG TAPPING >:((((

@@tobebruhed6017 "Sori for bed england"

Still not as bad as Fallout 4

It's not like Obsidian was going to build a new engine for Bethesda, for working with what they had I'd say they improved the gunplay a lot. The attention to different bullets and reloading is still something other games barely mimic.

​​@@MojaveWinternv fans only talk about fnv. Until you mention something bad about fnv, suddenly their heads fill up with fo4

Idk about y'all but I prefer a stock to attaching a dumbell on my fulauto ar...

Ngl personally i feel like it would be something that would be in 40K lol

how do you know? i didn't saw it.

@@gabrielfmm5465 I have over 50 hours in this game and in almost all of my playthroughs I put 8-9 points in agility. Even without the fast reload perk my character reloads the .357 at about the same speed as in the video

It makes me think this whole video is just a shitpost. No way that was intentional right?

Dude took the Thompson and called the game unrealistic because it didn't act like the model of Thompson he said it was

​@@calebbarnhouse496seriously. A lot of the jank can be explained by being postwar reproductions. People need to remember that Fallout takes place 80 to 210 years after the nuclear apocalypse of 2077.

thats kinda hard to believe since they look nothing alike. 12.7mm looks like the blade runner gun and the whitney wolverine looks like a star trek phaser. VERY different aesthetics.

Retro futuristic =/= goofy ahh gun Don't hate on me, I actually like the design, but it still looks silly goofy.

It looks more like a very odd Rudiger than anything I'd call retro futuristic

It looks closer to a Hammerli 280 albeit if it was extremely thicker. I think that's where FO1/FO2's 14mm model got its inspiration from in regards to the box magazine located ahead of the pistol's grip

​@@fckgooogle1000xHämmerli

But spinning cool

No speen? No thanks.

The best .50 pistol is any mod that replaces it with a Deagle. My personal favorite is Big O, a highly customized & stunning two tone with filigree etched all over the weapon & you get it at your grave in Goodsprings.

It’s a whole DP-27

One thing to note when reviewing guns in Fallout new vegas, do NOT use mods that change alot of the game including the visuals, the player model and animations, because sometimes mods can break things not intended by the devs plus its modified content so of course you might notice some stuff thats off, please don't make the same mistake like Oxhorn, who claimed that Obsidian shamelessly reused assets everywhere without care, for example with the sunset sarsaparilla company folder that said BOS on it (In his video about the story of the company), which was actually modified with one of the mods he was using at the time and is not in the vanilla game. Source: I have almost 560 hours in Fallout new vegas and thats without mods.

Was looking for this one I recall a weapon that does that IRL

Was going to leave a comment much like this if someone else hadn't pointed it out. Calico and their weird cylinder mags.

I heard somewhere that it was specifically made to look like a Thompson for marketability, and that the capacitor "drum" is supposed to spin

That is also the cannon reason for recoil it was made to have recoil for soldiers who were used to having recoil

Tbh I think the drum on the RCW probably has some use that isn’t shown in the game, like a system inside it makes the weapon fire. I probably sound really dumb but I’m just thinking of stuff.

@@dylfai But your are right. The "drum" holds a series of capacitors( don`t know if it is the correct termn, i am no native englishspeaker). Basically they each hold the energy for 1 single shot and are charged and discharged contiously, one after the other. This allows the very high rate of fire in this smal package.

it's actuality a pre war prototype, it's the first automatic laser rifle

It assists forward, it's not hard to understand

The Gun runners based the design on old schematics so that must be a left over detail that survive the simplification process.

Most guns in fact the vast overwhelming majority do not have the charging handle on the bolt. the only ones that do are usually semi auto shotguns almost exclusively.

If you want to play technicalities they are usually indirectly attached to the bolt usually by the gas system. Just about the only two guns I can remember that would be that way are the galil and AK which basically is the same gun anyway.

@@RandomLombax37 true, most have non reciprocating ones, but here the charging handle is on the bolt like an ak, which the forward assist does what punching the charging handle forward does on an ak, so having both would be superfluous.

Yeah, power amplifiers or something

I was so confused by him here. Like does he not know that chamber reamers are a thing?

I was about to point that out.

its not reamed in the game though so the argument still makes sense honestly

Blade Runner is the movie.

@@Savra that’s the .223 pistol.

@@Savra Finally. Omfg. I thought I was the only who watched this video that has seen that cinematic masterpiece.

I was gonna say it does look more Warhammer then Fallout!

Fallout is set in alternate future-history, however, so there may be such a thing as a .357 Single Action Army (also irl production basically just took a 15ish year break when Ww2 started, as I recall). Personally I imagine the Single Action Army in game is a stand-in for the variety of different brands, original and cloned, that make up the industry standard in 2077.

Yeah Keltec are weird company. They have some legitimately great designs (KSG, 5.7 PCC) but most are just kinda crap.

Yes... he said that

This makes zero sense, why would they nerf their own gun.

@@oaktree149 They did this so they didn't have to train a soldier for two different types of weapon, only one

@@therealevilmudbug They still do though. A laser gun is not even going to be remotely the same to operate as a conventional gun, even with recoil.

@@oaktree149 The same reason vacuums are still made loud despite the fact they can make them quiet, or cars having microphones and speakers so the engine sounds louder inside the car than it usually would, or loading bars being present despite them not actually being accurate to how much a program has loaded. Feedback is a huge part of design, so while theoretically you could optimize all these things, people are going to complain if you do, like for example making a powerful gun with no recoil.

@@kiwi3085 None of those examples are life and death. This is a to the death scenario, where the recoil would be the difference between living and dying.

The funniest part is that Bethesda got the reload right for that gun when they brought it back as the crusader pistol for Fallout 76.

I forgot to add this earlier, but both of these pistols were made by Sig Sauer in this alternate timeline

The only downside was that the spread was terrible

I I'm remembering correctly it supposed to a reference to the one of the pistols in blade runner.

I'd rather they make the defenders into revolvers then. Don't dare take my favorite gun from me.

Blade Runner is set in 2019

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This is what I was looking for, yeah. Calico helical mags have built-in sights. Really I'd say the 12.7 is like a stupid mix between a P90 and Calico.

The problem is that its bolt is 6 inches forward of where the rounds are fed from the magazine. How the hell can it pick up (bring down in this case) a round if the bolt physically cannot reach it?

Yeah, i wonder how the Rifle looked like ?

A 5.56 revolver rifle with 5 round chamber would be really bizarre

​@@noobikus5475when I read the description, I thought it was the fictional Colt Rangemaster, F1 Hunting Rifle, because that's the one of the other two weapons we find on this game that uses .223 rounds.

I'd always assumed the .223 Pistol in the original games was based on the Remington XP 100 rather than a revolver. Or perhaps a semi-auto variant.

Basically just commented the same thing. Bladerunner used a Steyr Mannlicher .222 SL. That Gun being a revolver makes it a more accurate replica of the film version than to the .223 pistol

But you still use the aperture sight on the Service Rifle (which has a hilariously shrunken carry handle in the viewmodel for some reason), the Cowboy Repeater, and the BAR.

@@bloodleader5all guns i hate using with true iron sights on lol

Which is the exact same reason why the Assault Rifle in Fallout 4 is designed the way it is, it’s made to be used while wearing Power Armour

Both of you are pretty clueless. Why would power armor, *which is designed to wield giant weapons that are normally mounted on vehicles and fortified emplacements like miniguns and rocket launchers,* use a submachinegun and a 5.56 rifle?

@@DJWeapon8 because its cheap to make easy to use and the ammo is everywhere

@@Salty_C.J. wrong on all accounts. The 12.7mm SMG is one of the more expensive weapons in the game, its badly designed and therefore not easy to use, and 12.7mm cartridges are rare.

recoil is a meme tbh

Plasma weapons might have recoil naturally, as far as im aware accelerated plasma would have mass, so it would generate some momentum pushing gun back. As for laser rifles, you would need to add a mechanism generating the same momentum as a bullet, without having bullet to generate said momentum, this would add so much unnecessary complexity and weight

I guess can understand if it was a feature specifically made for veterans, but still, isn't it weird to make a feature that affects your accuracy?

​@@sneedclavehere8918thats what i wondering too, you generally wanna make a gun perform better not worse lol.

Yes, the thing I want most in my weapon is extra unnecessary parts to simulate recoil that doesn't need to exist. Nah, I would be more worried about getting caught in fog and having the water particles diffuse the beam to the point of being worthless.

I'm sorry. But that's got to be the most stupid justification for recoil I've heard. "Ah yes. You know what would make me a better and more effective soldier? *Simulated recoil to throw off my aim and make follow up shots harder!"*

Ah yes so it is perfect after all

Same reason why the gat laser has a bigass battery on your back

If I remember right, the spools on the magazine were actually supposed to spin with each shot, kinda like a minigun's barrels. That way you have multiple charges and allowing one to fire while the others charge up in rapid succession. But you don't see it because, just like the 180, they couldn't get spinning mags to work in game.

Absolutely. I'll get to other games eventually. GTA is on the list for sure

@@ItsYaBoyBrandyBoy With GTA V you could even talk about everything wrong with the in game gun companies

@@ItsYaBoyBrandyBoy Also since you're going to cover GTA in the future are you also going to do an Everything WRONG With on the vehicles as well?

Better than what Bethesda could spew out in fo4.

@@James_Randal average FNV circlejerker

@@WdoubleyouW I don't even have fnv.

@@James_Randal so you just circlejerk with other fanbois on a game that you dont even have? what a 🤡🤡