They are parents and it’s their choice how they bring up children. They brought these children to the world so it’s their responsibility what character they build.
Look up Jodi Hildrebrandt she has a history of breaking up Mormon families (with the assistance of the church) in order to take advantage of women and abuse children. Ruby has culpability in this though she wasn’t as naive as she portrayed herself to be.
@@warlordofbritanniawhen you watch their Channel you see he was a big part of the abuse. He was there when their oldest son got sent to a camp and got his bed taken away for several months
Becuase theyre Mormon, in a mormon-ruled majority capital(Salt Lake City, Utah) and theyre known to baby the men, punish the women so it makes sense to me...
I was raised in Utah by a abusive single mother. Its amazing how many warning signs and outcries went unheaded because "children are better off with their mother" mindset here. Neighbors in our apartment and my dad called the police and child services multiple times and the lady who responded saw our home was clean and we had mormon books and crafting supplies and she concluded my dad was just being a vindictive husband. I was finally able to bring attention to my situation by fighting back until my mom couldn't handle me anymore. Everything came to light and I got placed with my wonderful grandparents and finally my dad who raised me to be the confident woman I am today. I shudder to think of kids who aren't getting help and attention
This is a great example of how sexism is bad for everyone. Women shouldn't be treated as default care takers. Not every woman wants to be a parent and definitely not every woman should be a parent
There must be so many children who live with more extremistic Mormons, FLDS as example where the children live under as bad or worse conditions where nothing happens to the abusers. I'm happy that one cult abuser finally got charged but it makes makes me feel so angry too became there are still thousands of children who live in the FLDS cult (which is much worse than mainstream mormonism) with trafficking, child abuse, sexual abuse, child marriages where children work all day for free instead of going to school. They do anything to hide their crimes and abuse against children. I have heard absolutely horrifying stories from people who have left this cult, the abuse they experienced as children and that it's still going on
Cool story, so does Charlie only cover child abuse and victims famous on youtube or does he actually just not care and only jumps on what's hot on the bandwagon for content and clout? Sounds like a real scvmbag.
It's heartbreaking to think of all the children out there living in similar conditions without anyone knowing. Every child deserves a loving parent, but not every parent deserves a child.
If I keep seeing the same exact sentence being regurgitated over every single comment I read, I might lose my fvcking mind. Original thoughts just don't exist anymore...
Some people cannot face their actions, some people are misguided, some, like me live in a state of chaos. This is why I prepare to fight, so others cannot feel the pain and sin of others, evil can never hide, not from justice.
My girlfriend grew up in a household like that. She was beaten, insulted and multiple times starved her close to death. With 17 she found an opportunity to escape from it. We got together two years later, she was still phyisically and mentally scared from that and now 5 years later still hasnt fully recovered from it, despite her being a mentally really strong person. Doing something like this to your OWN children should not even have the posibility of getting you anything less than 20 years. A person who is willing to do this to not just anyone but their very own child is not a person that is safe to be free.
The "justice" system is fucked. I hope you and your partner are able to fight her struggles together. Just remember to take care of yourself and not push away your own problems. Good luck to the both of you, much love from Norway
I went through similar. 7 years later and I feel like I'm only now able to get started on getting better. God bless you and your family and thank God you are in her life.
LIVING CORPSE! How's it going man? I haven’t heard of you since your old channel got taken down. Really sucks that happened, I really liked your old reviews and godzilla vids.
She only started sobbing when she talked about being divorced. When speaking about abusing her kids, she distanced herself from it by saying she had been deceived into committing illegal acts, and she was perfectly calm. She does not give a damn about those kids. She has not become "unbrainwashed" to use her language. She is not taking accountability.
Bruh, she wasn’t brainwashed to abuse kids, she was only brainwashed to hurt them in specific ways Jodi recommended. But she already abused the kids beforehand. Jody was the one who engineered the divorce. So maybe she actually regrets the latter not the former.
She wasn't "brainwashed" at all. That is a bs excuse she is telling herself to justify the abuse. She and the other horrible woman deserve no sympathy.
@@Velereonicsif she was abusing the children before the other woman was involved than she could not have been brainwashed into abusing the children. If a person kills a bunch of people and then someone comes along and starts giving them tips on how to do it more effectively, the first person is still a murderer all on their own
@@Lucaz99 I am using her language, which is distancing language to try to remove herself from the damage she actually caused. She said she had been brainwashed. I obviously don't think she actually was brainwashed. All Jodi did was teach her new methods of abuse; she was always abusive though.
Judges. The same people who, among other things, have sent White guys to prison for life because they had "the n-word" on there phone, and convicting single police officers to life on 2 charges of murder for the overdose death of a drug addact. Oh, but they'll gladly give gang banging mass shooters second chances.
I got sent to Anasazi and met Chad out there. Really nice kid. Kids were out there for being addicted to meth, aiming guns at parents, Chad was out there for pranking his brothers.
Look, I had strict parents growing up. But that just meant for me that I only got to play video games on the weekends and I didn't get allowance for the chores I did. There's a difference between "strict" and just flat out abusive. Strict parenting actually requires a fair amount of effort, abuse is lazy and evil.
@@jaydub2546 Different parents go with different philosophies. I didn't get paid for chores but my allowance was based on school performance. Chores were an expected part of being in a household and becoming an adult. School was my "work" and my parents wanted to incentivize me to study, do my homework, and try to do my best. One of my friends had a myriad of ways to earn money but by 16 her parents expected her to pay for everything she wanted or needed aside from clothes, rent, and utilities. So she had to buy clothes, school supplies, and any extras she wanted. Sometimes parents won't give kids an allowance for chores but they still get an allowance or their own money in other ways.
I don’t get payed at all… and I tried so many different ways 😂. First I tried chores and they said no, than I said school they said no, than I tried to yard work and they said no, than I tried negotiating lunch money so every week I would get left over lunch money in my account
It's also worth mentioning that the abuse was already happening way before Ruby met Jodi, and Kevin had no issue with it. Plus, he tried to press charges against his own daughter for "theft" when he noticed some video cameras were missing from the stuff he was given back after they searched the house (mind you, the daughter was gathering evidence and he hadn't set foot in that house for over a year at that point). That doesn't sound like the behavior of a concerned parent that supposedly "had no idea what was happening", go figure
Yeah ok he sounded fishy to me and this confirms what I was thinking. Dear god if there is any good in this world I hope these children don’t go to him where they will continue being abused.
He was completely ok with constant emotional abuse, occasional withholding of food and extreme controlling, I guess explicit physical violence, literal 24/7 physical restraint, and constant withholding of food and water is where he draws the line 🤷♀
There's just no way the dad didn't know. The abuse had been going on for 4-5yrs, he only stopped having contact within the last year... he's not innocent in this. God I hope these poor kids are in a protective loving home now, withother family members and not that useless father.
I wouldnt be shocked if he was also a victim of abuse. Male victims are largely underreported out of shame. And in a place like Mormon Utah, you better believe its under-underreported.
@@mr.ashenfire2624 nah, if you watch older clips he actively defends and talks about the shit they put their kids through. neither him nor ruby were brainwashed, fuck em both.
Imagine being an adult who has been putting their kids through all this torture for years, and then sobbing when you receive punishment for your actions. “The world is so evil for catching me!”
Jodi has been doing this type of abuse for decades, she really was the mastermind in all of this. Jodi is notorious for ruining relationships in the Mormon community. She’s the psychologist who specializes in child & marriage counseling. The child in question who escaped, escaped from Jodi’s house, not Ruby’s. Both of these women are monsters and should be under the prison.
Do not, DO NOT give any leeway to Kevin Franke! He was abusing them on camera for YEARS! Even by Ruby's statement, that she had a "distorted" world view for FOUR years, and they had only been separated for the last 1 year. So he saw and was okay with her behavior for at bare minimum THREE YEARS before it had devolved to this point. He knew what his wife was. He knew what Jodi was. And he willingly walked away, washed his hands of his children for over a year because he cared more about his wife and marriage than he cared for his children's safety. That man is every bit of a monster as Jodi and Ruby.
@@JutlandAngel And he complied. She may (and I do mean may) have had the idea but it took two to agree to go through it. They both profited from it. Weel him out to the side of the road to be collected on garbage day--- he's just as bad as she is.
My mother was exactly like that and when I was around 13 I eventually ran away to live with my father. I remember later in life when I joined the army and was going through basic a drill sargent asked me "you seem to not be bothered by any of this? The yelling the violence anything? Why is that?" And I told him "this just reminds me of growing up drill sargent, just you can physically hit me so not as bad drill sargent" They never really messed with me or yelled at me to much after that
To add I understand why the abuse happened for so long and publicly aswell, I remember when my father was fighting for custody a judge said outright "a mother can't be an abuser" and multiple time when I lived with her and cops where called they essentially made the same point "a mother can't abuse a child"
Drill seargent is supposed to break you apart and build you back up as a soldier who follows orders blindly and worships authority, ready to kill for the country. Kind of weird that they would just abandon the deconstruction with you. It does not matter if someone suffered abuse really, it is about builing soldiers. Was that Marines or Army?
@Jartran72 army but I never really fucked up or showed disobedience, they still would fuck with me just not as much personally. (still got the same group punishments as everyone else) ik later in cycle I asked a calmer drill why and he said "you never really needed it, you already had discipline and never disobeyed in anyway so wasn't needed and you seemed to not mind it and would just tank it so wasn't worth the effort" Edit: infantry oset, so 22 weeks of basic training essentially to clarify To add no that's not the point of basic training it's part of it in a way but as our drills always said "we don't want robots we want people who can think independently and do there job and respect those above them however use common sense" if you didn't have respect show discipline or common sense or couldn't do the job correctly that was corrected with yelling and pushups or embarrassment
As a father of a daughter who was abused by their mother and one of her partners, I didn't have an option to see my daughter when I wanted to. There were months and even years when I didn't get to see her at all besides through pictures. She hit everything from me. I wasn't even able to see her birthday or on Christmas. It was a really horrible time. My daughter is six now. I had a court order started and then it just got completely restarted cuz her mom broke the court order and just took her away from me again. She's actually brainwatching and manipulating my daughter to think that I'm doing wrong things when all I've been doing for the last 6 years is trying to get her back. I finally got some progress. Got her for 2 months and then her mom completely ended that without any consultation of the court or anything. So I'm back to square one not seeing my daughter again and it's horrible and kind of terrifying not knowing what's going on. She completely cut off all my contact with her and whenever I try to see her she just says she doesn't want to see you. Sorry for the little rant, just wanted to throw my two cents in.
Parent is a life long commitment. Fight for every minute with her but.. don't fight in front of your child. She deserves to be tought better conflict resolvement than yelling and hitting. She deserves love.
Oh the husband, Kevin, is 100% as responsible as Ruby Franke. He just got lucky that he was living separated when the child escape happened- he used that as an excuse. If you look at their old videos (re-uploaded in multiple places), you will notice that he was always involved and complacent with the kids punishment long before Jodi was in the picture.
@@2guys1cliplol given the state they were in, it sounds like she tried to do the same to the kids. But, like with everything involving her children, she failed.
As someone with a father that is a united states marine, he has quite a reputation among his peers and colleagues (he is a doctor now). Never, ever has he laid a finger on me in an abusive way. If I ever acted up, he would make me work out, like they do in the corps. We're talking walking 10 laps around the block, marching up and down stairs a metric poop ton, or jumping jacks for an hour. My father said it best: there is a stark difference between discipline and punishment. You discipline kids, you punish criminals.
Discipline is a two way street. Your father is an old man and it's your turn to discipline and control him now. Does he abuse drugs like alcohol regularly? Take away his car. Does he have anti-American opinions like racism? Take away his electronics. He needs to learn his mistakes have consequences. 🌈
@@TheDiamondCorebecause he’s a sock account trying to draw attention and focus to the other sock, it’s not a bot, it’s a mentally ill person who’s chronically online and makes new account on a near daily basis… Very sad attention seeking behavior. Just report every one of them you see as spam and he’ll move on to building Sonichu out of legos, eventually.
Cool story, so does Charlie only cover child abuse and victims famous on youtube or does he actually just not care and only jumps on what's hot on the bandwagon for content and clout? Sounds like a real scvmbag.
Cool story, so does Moist only cover victims famous on youtube or does he actually just not care and only jumps on what's hot on the bandwagon for content and clout? Sounds like a real scvmbag.
The most effed up part, as a Utahn, I won’t be surprised if they’re let off easy (minimum sentence). They were a “looked up to” kind of family and around here would embrace that kind of behavior. It’s sickening but it’s true. So many children are thrown out on the streets because they don’t believe in Mormonism. Or just that they won’t abide by ‘parents ruling’. It shouldn’t be a weird statement to say ‘my parents just let me be me’ but that sentence is not common in Utah. Controlling parents are considered normal ‘good’ parents. It’s terrifying the amount of even not children, adults in their 20’s are just trying to escape and they can’t. Utah sucks.
As I said just before, born and raised Utahn, and everything you said is completely true, and painfully sad. I’m also, unfortunately, born and raised mormon. I stopped believing in the mormon church years ago, but I still live with my parents and am always pretending to still be mormon because I’m so scared of how they will react. What if they kick me out? What if they take everything away from me? It’s not a fun situation and I despise the mormon church for the pain it has caused me, and thousands of others. With little to no separation of church and state, people who are mormon get away with a frightening amount of bullshit under the guise of their “beliefs”.
I was abused in a similar way (it's sadly common) and that "the world is evil" justification is what my guardian used as well. They think they're making you tough and disciplined and ready for all the abuse you're going to face as an adult by getting you accustomed to it as a child, while simultaneously warning you that everyone else wants to do even worse things to you. To them, children "need" abuse because they need to get used to how the world works.
It doesn't make sense, because really the world can be cruel (not to the schizophrenic degree of the people like in the video, but) you'd want to build your child into a confident independent person so they can try their hardest against any negative forces they encounter in their life. Not raise a beaten, abused, and weakened person whose mind will fold under the lightest strain due to being treated like they're worthless. It's all just delusional thinking/deception to continue exacting terrible things on the innocent.
So she just really expected us believe that she was the victim? Like did she really think, "You don't get it your honor. I was tricked into thinking treating my kids like its Guantanamo Bay was a good thing." would work?
Cool story, so does Charlie only cover child abuse and victims famous on youtube or does he actually just not care and only jumps on what's hot on the bandwagon for content and clout? Sounds like a real scvmbag.
Honestly this excuse is not that farfetched, Jodi has been doing this crap for decades before she came across Ruby. Ruby has adopted Jodis beliefs and "parenting" style. Jodi actually unironically believed that the devil lived in misbehaving children. And Ruby was her magnifing horn, through which she spewed this stupidity into the general public. Ruby doesn't get a pass for mistreating her own children. Absolutely not, but Jodi needs to be persecuted for her previous crimes and serve life in prison for sure.
The most fucked up part is what if she really did think that way? (Of course im sure its all bullshit and she's just a terrible evil monster) but what if she really feels that way? Thats so fuckin scary. How many insane people are our there among us right now
I had strict parents and I was the rebel type of kid but they never, never lift a finger on me. They ground me, but never hit me or prevent me from eating or any basic needs. And I'm so grateful for my parents because I know I wasn't an easy kid at all.
Charlie, I'm just going to say this from personal experience, expecting the justice system to do what its supposed to is a fool's errand. I watched somebody do heinous monsterous shit to myself and people close to me, have multiple people step up in questioning admit he had done simular things to them, and then get let go from trial because they were deemed "unfit". Now they live rent free in their fathers house with no job and no prospects for the future. People who still trust the system haven't seen it in effect.
In my opinion , the system is set up to protected abusers more so than it is to help victims. And abusers come in all flavors of human. I wish people would understand this.
@@AdaireKrickets Maybe one day.. but I am afraid not in our lifetime.. human brains need to evolve further on a more emotional level to start seeing the result of these sort of actions on the global scale.
The system is to protect those who are truly innocent. It is made to be extremely difficult to infringe on the rights of those accused. As Thomas Jefferson stated when he and the rest of his colleagues hundreds of years ago were leading the 13 colonies to become a nation, "It is better to let 10 guilty men go free than it is for one innocent to be found guilty." The criminal justice system has tried to remain this way ever since then. I feel this is why we feel as if the system is worthless. It is unfortunate that... there remains truth in that statement... whether or not it is worth to let 10 guilty men free... that is the decision of the people... but we fail to address our concerns with our congress. And even those who do contact their congressional representative, we as a people vote-in absolutely horrible members of society. Heck, over half of Americans don't even vote at all, then they still complain.
@@respectdat1 But innocent people get locked away all the time. So in reality we have 10 guilty going free while the 1 innocent gets found guilty. The worst of both worlds.
As someone who went through this it sucks and I wish the kids the best. Unfortunately CPS is horrific at least in my experience. I got lucky my aunt adopted me and raised me into who I am today. Edit: Thanks guys! Love the good vibes and support, I hope you guys are all doing okay. Love you guys ❤️💯
Because it's typically more important for the child to be with their real parents, so they over emphasize that fact and force it where it obviously should be.
I also went through some pretty horrific things as a child and yeah, CPS is so bad it would be funny if it didn't ruin lives. My mother would have been sent to prison for 10 years if I wasn't gaslit into saying I lied, which CPS instantly believed 1 DAY BEFORE THE TRIAL. Actual dumpster fire of a system.
They are parents and it’s their choice how they bring up children. They brought these children to the world so it’s their responsibility what character they build.
@hay-leyhoo Judy convinced her to separate from her husband. That means Judy convinced Ruby that it was in her family's best interests. Ruby was definitely manipulated. However, that does NOT excuse her from responsibility. She still has free will and could easily have said "no" at any time. She didn't, making her even MORE responsible for the abuse. She could have stopped it, but CHOSE not too. THAT makes her evil.
Thank god the neighbour finally did something, the system failed these kids multiple times when SHE WAS LITERALLY FILMING HERSELF ABUSING THE KIDS like does CPS just wait until the kids are already dead to do something?
It's wild that kevin franke hasn't faced charges considering how much child abuse and neglect happened on the 8 passengers channel, which can't be blamed on hildebrant & was entirely on the two parents. It's why the eldest daughter ran.
@@neffdigitydog so what? Just because there was worse that happened shouldn't negate the fact that he participated in starving and neglecting the children as well, but it did. Hia participation isn't speculative, it is on video. That's a miscarriage of justice for these kids. Child abusers are not suitable guardians ever. These kids have other relatives that actually were ignorant and never did hurt them.
@@neffdigitydog the Frankes bragged about depriving their children of food on 8 passengers. Why do you want to defend them so badly? People like you are so bizarre.
@@neffdigitydog You are. You're defending the dad. He was there. He helped make a decision to take a child's bed away. He chose to do nothing knowing full well his children were being starved. And it's on a public RU-vid channel for everyone, including the legal system, to see. So who's really the troll here?
One of the saddest parts of this is something Charlie skipped over in 9:15. At the bottom, it says the child thought she was evil. That's going to require a lot of work and the right people in her life to overcome.
As a person who had to go through horrific and unspeakable torture as a child, but basically got gaslit into lying for my parent so she never faced any serious consequences (and continued the abuse, albeit to a lesser degree), I am so fucking happy that the mother and accomplice are getting jail time. To this day, as a 30 year old, I STILL have serious anxiety and panic attacks whenever someone comes into my house loudly. As a 4 year old, I could tell by how she closed the door and how her keys jingled as my mother came home, if I was going to be beaten that night. The amount of times i've been thrown down a flight of stairs by my hair or locked in an empty room with no food or water for days, is uncountable. Fuck these people.
41 here and yeah that shit stays with you forever. The only good thing that I got out of it is that I could never ever spank any of my kids because of the stuff me and my sister went through.
I understand, PTSD from child abuse here too. They should be getting life, and your parent should have to face consequences as should mine. But at the very least you can stand proud and say that you're a survivor, cuz you had to be tough as nails to get through that in something resembling one piece. You diddnt deserve any of it but you survived it like a bad ass. I hope you're doing well.
I could see the mother preventing it from happening. I had a friend since middle school whos mom wouldn't let her dad see her at all after divorce, eventually he had to reach out to her from facebook without the mothers knowledge and explain himself. Shit's fucked up in the real world man.
Are we now pretending that the abuse only started with Jodi? We know the kids were being abused while the dad was around cause he was literally in those videos. He helped justify the abuse. It's like we suddenly forgot about literally the whole channel and are just focusing on the part that got them caught
Its so hard being tied to a narcissist. It can feel like being held hostage by a dengerous person. I blame him for not leaving but i also have enough expierience to imagine reasons why he would be stuck. Kids health is the number one weapon that women use against men because you cant seperate them even legally unless they push it this far. You can destroy a man and his children without ever leaving a mark.
Kevin was no way in the dark completely. He used to participate in parenting videos and it was only after Ruby connected with Jody that they separated and I'm sure the abuse escalated from there But Kevin was around when his kids were denied food and places to sleep
The amount of PTSD an trauma these kids will have for the rest of their lives on top of therapy to work through this all is horrendous. If they don’t give max sentence I’m sure street Justice will kick in somewhere.
We need to remember that Kevin was complicit in the abuse and neglect his children faced during the 8 Passengers vlogging years. He mightnt have been active in the more obvious abuse with Jodi and Ruby, but he still did visit the house they were at a couple of times, and still didn't see the children.
From what I’ve heard about the case from other RU-vid documentaries or run downs of the situation, I can believe Ruby Franke was manipulated or at least tricked into thinking her kids deserved this level of abuse. And that she was already basically abusing her kids before she met the Jody woman by taking away their eldest’s bedroom because of a prank or not letting one of her daughter’s get food because she forgot to make lunch is still very telling and probably made it where it wasn’t that big of a leap in logic to jump from that to what was happening when she was arrested. That being said, so fucking what if she was manipulated or deceived or not? She still willingly put her kids through hell and abused them. She still deserves this punishment and still deserves for her kids to never talk to her again.
You kinda saved it in the end but I still take issue with that comment. No one in this world could convince me to abuse my children, to hit them, to starve them. There are better ways of disciplining a child. You can promise them stuff for good behavior or let them work out if they behave badly, you can tell them stories and talk to them like adults. I am not going to even consider this as a mitigating factor on anything. And I don't appreciate it being called "she was manipulated into doing it" especially if you say she was already abusing them beforehand. More like she took an education class on abusing your children. Horrific.
@@Jartran72 the only possible explanation is that Ruby is possibly mentally unwell and easier to manipulate. it doesn't justify her choices and actions, but it does explain them. what she did to those kids is still sickening either way.
@@Jartran72 I also have a hard time thinking of how anyone could possible convince me to abuse my own children. However, it looks like Franke’s abuses only worsened after she met the Jody woman. In my opinion, this suggests Franke is very manipulatable, gullible, a complete buffoon, or some combination of the 3. That’s why I brought up how she already abused her kids, even if not as violently. Someone who is already abusing their kids would likely be more easily swayed into thinking more abuse is necessary. I also understand the repulsion to calling it manipulation, though the main alternative I can think of is saying Jody convinced her that she needed to abuse her kids.
This woman told her very young daughter I'M GLAS D YOU'RE HURTING while smiling and giggling in a YT video explaining why she was in the right for making her sleep on the BATHROOM FLOOR for several days because the child's pain meant growth or some shit. This person is not in some sort of misconstrued state of delusion she knows exactly what she's done and intends to evade responsibility at any cost.
@@informitas0117I think the person is asking more so that they can show other people the proof of her abuse not that they find enjoyment of watching that
Anyone remember the movie “flowers in the attic” it’s a story where a mother puts her kids in her mothers attic to hide them from society and inherit her family’s money. She had blamed her mother for being abusive, but she is the one who ordered to have her children poisoned just so she can keep the money and marry someone.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ruby's mother had a lot of toxic traits along with Ruby--even if Ruby's parents never stooped as low as Ruby, toxic traits are more common than average in Mormon homes.
I am legit so shocked to see anyone remember/bring that up. I read every book/prequel lol. Truly a disturbing but powerful series and very relevant to this situation.
I mean, usually those "back in mah day i was made to gargle nails with oil to build character!!1!1" are usually either abusive people or abused people trying to justify more abuse being done to someone so... yes definitely something like that.
I'm willing to believe that she thought they were doing the right thing. But that makes it worse, not better. Someone who thinks abusing their kids to near death is justified is a danger to society.
I agree. She's very clearly mentally unwell, because no one in their right mind would treat their children like that, but people here talk about it as though it's some sort of "convenient excuse". There are some pretty worrisome comments..
@@UberNerdMasterTo quote one of my favorite people on RU-vid (Jonathan Decker from the channel Cinema Therapy): "Mental illness is not evil nor does it lead to evil. It's about our choices." She may be mentally ill, because no normally-functioning parent will ever think about doing these things, but she still made the choice to abuse her children.
There's a massive difference between the word "Discipline" and "Abuse", they clearly knew this but they seem to write off "Abuse" as an aggressive form of "Discipline" which is a mindset that would land you in prison, it's kinda like writing off murder as a simple assault even tho you've clearly did something way more than an assault..
I’ve seen this before in a super wild case! “Well I didn’t mean to kill him it was an accident! Can I go home?” I believe a woman locked her boyfriend/husband in a suitcase and he died. She legit thought she was just gonna go home since it was an “accident”. Some people are seriously deranged.
@@rosewelch1190I know that case. It was made worse because if I recall correctly there was video evidence where she was saying shit like "this is what you deserve" or stuff along those lines. But nah guys it was an accident she didn't mean to leave him in there.
@@whatisthis1958 oh yeahhh!!! I’m pretty sure she recorded a video on her/his phone and thought deleting it would clear it completely idk it’s been awhile. But no yeah it was DEFINITELY an accident TOTALLY. (I’m being sarcastic my deepest condolences to him and his family I feel the need to say that because it’s a sensitive subject.)
@@rosewelch1190 The woman (Sarah) actually recorded two videos. He was begging to be let out of the suitcase because he couldn't breathe. She was laughing and saying "this is what you deserve", "this how I feel wen you choke me", this is your fault," etc. She told police that they were "playing hide and seek", but after helping her boyfriend hide in the suitcase she randomly got tired and went to sleep, forgetting he was in the suitcase, which led to him dying of suffocation which Sarah discovered the next morning. Absolute nutcase of a woman. The two in this video are just like her.
In my experience, whipping/smacking/hitting your children doesn’t make them disciplined: it makes them psychologically afraid and resentful of their own parents. It took years to repair the damage my mom left on me because she would hit me as a kid, and even though both of us have worked on the relationship, that deep scarring trauma still remains to an extent. *DON’T HIT YOUR KIDS*
I used to be spanked all the time by my mom as a kid if I did literally anything. The worst part is I barely remember why she ever spanked me. That's the thing, the kids just remember you hitting them. It doesn't teach them anything but to be scared of you.
@@xera1708So true. I hardly remember any reason why my mother used to hit me and my siblings. I remember watching her beating my brother, and I just sat there because it was normal. I remember anytime her voice was raised, I would cower and hide, cause I knew anytime she could just start hitting. But I can't remember why she was angry and why she'd yell at us. She was depressed and angry throughout our childhood and she took it out on us. I didn't know that as a kid. Sometimes I envy my younger sister, cause when she was born my mother never hit her. Never shouted at her. Never said anything bad to her. It's really, really hard.
He was literally in the video orchestrating and participating in the abuse. He was a part of it, DOCUMENTED ON VIDEO WITH AUDIO. Like wtf? Why is he not charged? What is the prosecutor doing?
@@Jartran72 I'll say it again, you sweet summer children, be so fucking glad you're never been in the same abusive relationship he or the children were in. Because if you think like this, you're not ready for what really goes on off camera.
Kevin Franke tried to weaponize the cops against his oldest daughter for taking cameras from the family home. When it was revealed he had no right to charge her, he got mad at the cops. Tells me everything I need to know abt the guy
I was also abused as a child by mentally unstable and religiously righteous parents for years. It breaks my heart that children all over are still being treated like this and the parents are so often let off without a hitch!! My mother saw 2 days of jail for 19 years of abuse. My step dad never got more than an interrogation, and he wound up doing even more, unspeakable things than my mom ever did. I hope with every fiber of my being that Ruby, her ex husband and EVERY abusive person faces swift, heavy, and permanent consequences. It’s only fair for the lifetime of trauma these “people” have created in their kids.
It’s actually wild that the husband seems to be getting away Scott free tbh. I refuse to believe he didn’t know about the abuse. Maybe not to the horrible extent, but in general.
The husband was still in the household when their son was deprived a proper bedroom/an actual bed for 9 months, he fucking knew and shouldn't be given custody.
even when he wasn't in the household. my ex and I have been split for 10 years but shared custody, you would KNOW if your child was being abused by the other parent. he deserves some punishment for, at the very least, not reporting it.
As a child abuse survivor I say throw away the key. Out of the crop of children born to my biological mother one has sadly continued the cycle of not holding onto their kids, two are dead, one I’ve lost contact with and only I and the other two youngest seem to be doing ok…well as ok as can be expected given the abuse and then going through the foster care system. I live a great life now and my kids live a wonderful life, but I’ve seen the damage this type of thing does through the lives of my biological siblings.
Here in Argentina there is the case of Lucio Dupuy, his mother abandoned him with his father, then during 2020 the government offered money to parents with little kids so the rogue mother came back with a woman partner and re-acquired the minor. The two tortured him, slapping, burning his skin with cigars, deprived him of food until one day he died. It was revealed later that a female judge granted the custody of the child to the rogue mother because. Although the two murderers received 35 years in prison, it wasn't admited "hate against male genre" during the trial because that could have risked the status of Argentinian justice of being gynocentrist. When the couple arrived at prison, the other female inmates beat the shit out of them, lefting one completely unconscious. I think this case was a close call.
If Ruby Franke really believed all she said, she would have talked about it in her videos. From what I remember seeing in other videos about this case, she wasn't shy about sharing her views with her followers.
My mom was abused by her alcoholic father to the point where he would drunkenly aim guns at her. She's quite literally the complete opposite of that. She took her past experiences and has done everything in her power to raise us with love
Nah, most of what we know of inmates hating child abusers and chomos is from the male prison. The culture between male and female correctional facility might be very different for all we know.
Not even close. These two abused these kids to the point where they almost died and required lengthy hospital stays. They were made to spend days outside in the sun and if they "misbehaved" they were bound and starved of food and water.
@@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole you’re not wrong, I was mainly just comparing them as simply shitty parents but the marks on the wrists and duct tape and all that is FAR more unforgivable than verbally abusing your children (not saying verbal abuse is good, still unforgivable)
i recall one of the worst parts of daddy o five was a video that involved the father slamming the smallest child (cody)'s head into a hard wood bookcase@@SkateBake4Life
If you take food away to punish, you’re absolutely aware of what that means. If you harm a child as punishment, you’re absolutely aware that you’re causing that child pain. No excuses.
Every "family channel" parent abuses their children and you won't change my mind about it. The simple act of exploiting your kids for money and fame is deplorable enough.
@@nicktheplayer213 Nah man they ran trauma% They did that 100% route, all kinds of abuse with maximum trauma. Any% would be much less effort than that.
Ruby was verifiably a monster to her kids LONG before Jodi entered the picture (verifiable by videos SHE HERSELF made!) so the idea that she's trying to scapegoat the (doubtlessly guilty) Jodi now is simply a transparent effort to save her own skin and would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. Likewise, husband Kevin was complicit in some of the worst of it before he got kicked to the curb and had an extremely suss reaction to his daughter retrieving some electronics from the family home a little while back so he's also triangulating. NONE of the adults here are angels and they all should be doing he hardest possible time, IMHO.
Kevin Franke was involved in the abuse during their blogging days (depriving food, depriving a bed, etc.) and actively defended their "punishments" at the time. Not to mention, after Ruby's arrest, Kevin tried to press charges against his own daughter for retrieving household belongings for the victimized siblings in her custody. He may not have put his hands on them, but he is complicit in their neglect.
I'm all for strict parenting. I'm okay enough with corporal punishment. Make your kids exercise, make their bed, clean their room, no junk foods, whatever. But when it comes to not letting children eat or drink? Prisoners get food. The children were treated worse than prisoners in a state penitentiary. Terrible stuff. I hope those kids can work through this and recover okay.
Even if she gets maximum sentence, her sentencing should include her not being able to contact the children, because no matter how long she's sentenced she'll take it out of them when she's released.
I was friends back in elementary with one of the daughters. I remember asking my friend “hey! Do you wanna play Minecraft with me? I’m lonely in my server” to which she responded that she was just given a lesson about victims versus victors and how I was being manipulative and a bad friend and cut off our friendship. I remembering thinking it was odd but I had no say in the outcome. I also remember her telling me that she didn’t like being filmed all the time but had no choice as she had to listen to her mother. She had a lot of potential and talent. I feel bad.
My parents weren’t anything like this. Their only request from me and my brothers was that they wanted us to get passing grades in high school. And when we got jobs, we took care of ourselves but they still paid for a bunch of stuff for us. I didn’t really have a curfew, and I had to negotiate for new things (because if I asked for a new laptop for school for example and my dad got it for me with no negotiation, he would be put in the situation of “why doesn’t he buy everyone a new laptop.”) I was taught to work for what I wanted. I think the way my parents raised me was fantastic, and I can’t imagine how those kids that had to deal with Ruby’s abuse will cope with this whole thing. It’s absolutely terrible.
Its funny that you mention they were treating their kids like it was the marines, because even in the military, taking food/water away is not an allowed punishment. Depriving necessities does not build character.
@@MikazuchirebornCPS being corrupt too sadly. had to witness my partner go through that recently since his state is insane and CPS was money laundering AGAIN, on top of not doing ANYTHING to help him or his younger brothers and not letting him speak for himself. USA is broken.
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More information for you: Ruby's convictions is as a result of her plea deal, 2 additional charges got knocked off of her sentence in exchange for her pleading guilty to torturing her children or was aware of the ongoing abuse of her children and agreeing to testify against Jodi, who also later plead guilty. This was done to spare the victims (who are Ruby's young children) from having to go through an extended criminal trial, having to recount the abuse in testimonials etc. Because of how the law is in Utah, the reason why the maximum is not longer and the reason why it is not considered attempted murder is because of the motive. The prosecutors found that the motive was not to murder but to "discipline", and this means that an attempted murder charge would not stick so it's considered second degree aggravated child abuse. There was 4 counts of this for each woman, which is a mandatory sentence of 1 year and can span anywhere up to 15 years per charge. The reason why it's a second degree felony is because under Utah law child abuse falls into the second degree at most if committed knowingly or intentionally, third degree if caused due to recklessness, and a class A misdemeanor if committed with criminal negligence. Because it is a second degree felony, Utah's maximum sentence for a second degree felony is 30 years, so the potential 60 years they would have faced on the 4 charges (which are running consecutively; so one after the other) is halved to the maximum of 30 years as all of the charges are second degree felonies. We don't know the actual amount of time that they will spend in prison. This is because in Utah this is decided by a parole board. They must serve 1 year per charge by default though, so they will have to serve a minimum of 4 years. The older children were not involved in this criminal case as victims hence why there are only 4 charges of child abuse levied, it's not exactly clear why but it's debated that they could be worried about statute of limitations that could apply to older instances of abuse. Jodi has put her house up for sale for a reported amount of 5 million dollars to try to cover any potential restitution and also because she's being thrown into prison for what will likely be at least several years. It was said in the courtroom at her sentencing that she had not shown any remorse for her actions and had actually claimed on a recorded jail phone call that the kids were somehow the perpetrators and she was the victim in all of it, and that she was being convicted on lies, and that at her sentencing the only things being said would be blatant lies. There are claims that Jodi has done this same exact thing to multiple other families through the Mormon church which supports Ruby's claims that Jodi deceived her into believing these things. Adam Steed made a video of his experiences with Jodi and claimed yesterday outside of the court house in a press conference post sentencing that he and his family have something in the ballpark of 2500 documents proving what he is claiming about Jodi is true. There is no victim impact statement in this case I guess because they didn't feel it was necessary at this point in time while the children are still recovering. There may be a victim impact statement in the future in the civil or family court side of the case or there may be an impact statement shared with the parole board who will decide how long Jodi and Ruby will spend in prison between the 4 and 30 years. There will still be a civil and family court case that will happen in the future, the civil case should be to debate restitution, and the family court case should be to debate custodial rights. Kevin (the previously separated father) does not have custody of the 4 minor children right now. Speaking of Kevin and Ruby, Kevin has filed for divorce and is actively working to gain custody of his minor children. His lawyer has stated that "The treatment these children received at the hands of those whom the children had a right to trust was horrific and inhumane, both physically and psychologically". Kevin is also seeking to have Jodi foot the bill for the costs incurred as a result of getting the children whatever they need to be able to recover from this abuse, stating in court documents "The children remain in professional care for the aggravated psychological and emotional injuries suffered". Strong credit to Emily D Baker (for legal explanations pertaining to this case) and Law & Crime Network (for sentencing footage and conference interview with Adam)
Anytime a parent physically punishes their kid, it’s not out of “love” or a desire for them to be better. It is almost always a lazy way of correcting behavior because the parent lost their temper. It leads to mental health problems later on as well as addiction issues. The argument “well I got whooped, and I turned out ok” is so silly because you don’t know how good you COULD have turned out.
The fact that they recorded the abuse and even had a company that taught others to do the same thing is insane. We all watched the abuse go on for so long, and she's only being punished for such a small part of it.
On the legal side, I just have to defend that council already. They can only do what the law allows them to do. If they sentence her for 60 (I know 6 is the max,but this makes a better point,this also applies to 6 years if they don't do it right) years and it gets appealed and wins, they could go free sooner due to malpractice, etc. If anything, the legislators need to create better laws. It's got nothing to do with the legal system, the courts can't make laws or overstep the laws they have, they can only follow the laws made for them to use.
Kevin is just as culpable as far as I’m concerned for the following reasons. 1. Separating from your wife is one thing. Completely cutting off all contact with your kids, simply because she said you couldn’t see them is WILD to me. 2. He did absolutely nothing, to get them out of that situation. Not a damn thing. If someone tried to deny me access to my children, I would be in the courthouse YESTERDAY, and telling her and the judge that it ain’t happening, end of story. 3. Even if by some miracle he never once saw them physically, this shit was documented online for 2 million people to see. You’re telling me not one person reached out and said “Hey, somethings not quite right there”. He failed those children 100% and he doesn’t deserve custody of them. 4. Hell, you could even argue he knew about the abuse and that was the reason for the split. People don’t just wake up one day and think “Hmm, I think I’ll starve and beat the kids” there’s always warning signs.
@@berserkagain7976 Oh right I see, I didn’t really know anything about it besides what I saw here and a few months back. Seems wild he got custody then.
I've been divorced since 2010. The courts allow the mothers to do what they want. I haven't seen my kids in over 6 years. The judge said she will not put my ex in jail. So after spending over 20k in lawyer fees, i decided im done with her. The kids can find me when they are grown.
Every time one of these cases comes to light, I can only think of how brave the kid is that’s able to get away and report it. That has to be the single most terrifying thing they have ever done and knew the punishments that awaited them if they were caught. And they still do it anyway, the 12 year old son is a hero and saved his sister’s life while putting a wretched soul away for years.
Utah: "child abuse?? Well give you 4 years no more than 30, second chances exist" Also Utah: " IS THAT A GRAM A WEED?! 15 YEARS IN THE SLAMMER FOR EACH OUNCE "
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Unfortunately, I share a similar experience with these children up until the time i was 13. But the Florida court system has put the case on the low. It has been 7 years without justice for me and my sister.
The only form of acceptable discipline is anything that doesn't effect the health. Something like reasonable scolding forbidding something non-necessities like video games, restricting phones use, or more chores. Not depriving them of basic human needs like food and a bed. This woman is sick
