The evolution of size seems to correspond with the evolution of bad exposed bridge placement. "This ship is twice the size… we'll extend the bridge up on a narrow tower".
Please make a video about the Eternal Empire Military's history, whole structure, pros ans cons in the future? If possible maybe Eternal Alliance as well?
Correction. The term “Dreadnought” wasn’t a nickname for a battleship, it was a type of battleship. The term came from the battleship HMS Dreadnought. HMS Dreadnought’s design revolutionized battleships and set the standard for future battleships. Battleships designed previously to the debut of HMS Dreadnought (1905) utilized three different levels of armament. These battleships were later designated as “Pre-Dreadnought battleships”. They had a relatively small main battery, typically two turrets sporting dual large-bore guns (greater than 10 inch bore). Then they had a large secondary battery of an intermediate bore (6-10 inches). Finally, they had a large battery of small bore guns (3-5 inches) for defense against torpedo boats. The problem with that design was range finding at the time was done by observing fall of shot. At medium to long ranges, the shell splashes of the main and secondary batteries were indistinguishable, which hampered the fighting ability of both batteries. Dreadnought revolutionized battleships by totally deleting the secondary battery, and instead mounting a large battery of large-bore guns, giving it the nickname of the “all-big-gun battleship”. Eventually battleship design moved all the main battery turrets onto the centerline of the ship and those battleships mounted a larger-bore main battery than the original design dreadnoughts, leading to them being called “super dreadnoughts”. Today, the Japanese battleship Mikasa is the world’s only surviving pre-dreadnought battleship. All the other surviving battleships (all American) are super dreadnoughts.
I was thinking this when I heard him say nick name and was gonna type something out, glad I saw you excellent and well educated answer first. May I ask, what’s your favorite naval ship in history?
Well dont forget that ion cannons are a thing, they disable electronic devices including sensors. Anyways on another note that if the sensors get disabled In action or technical error you will be flying blind (just Imagine flying a plane, car or boat) with no windows but instead cameras or sensors, it will be much more difficult or rely on being much more cautious without relying on windows to navigate. Last note is that most star destroyers like the imperial star destroyer and the first order star destroyer had a secondary bridge within the ship instead of on it.
We do notice that whenever the ships get ridiculously large, it's usually at the behest of some organization being run by a Sith, and since an overabundance of the Dark Side has a tendency to cause physical corruptions and...well, shriveling, perhaps we can draw on that correlation.
I wonder why the Rebellion or New Republic never tried scaling up the B-Wing prototype composite laser for use on a Corvette. It would have been a devastating weapon without the severe power limitations of a Starfighter.
Wouldn't the Acclamator be the most common Republic warship during the Clone Wars? There's a scene out of one of Karen Traviss' books where they say that there are more Acclamators at the Battle of Coruscant than they thought the Navy had. It also makes sense for them to have more cruisers than capital ships since they were smaller, faster to produce, and much cheaper. Can anyone shed some light on this please? Thanks! :D
You guys should *seriously* consider talking Morgan Freeman into narrating videos for this channel... especially when discussing capital ships. Maybe throw in James Earl Jones to narrate videos about the Sith or the Galactic Empire.
doncalypso, do you realize the cost associated with that? Big name voices don’t come cheap. That said, it would be really cool to hear JEJ narrate a video here!
I like to think of that size evolution as a phenomena found in animals found on islands when compared to their mainland ancestors. Another way of looking at this is comparing the size differences between the Dynamic-class freighter, the CEC XS Stock light freighter, & the YT series of freighters and compare them to the sizes of other ship types of its time(s). You’d also have A-wings & TIE fighters compared with “Star Wars: the Old Republic”’s Interceptors. X-Wings & Alpha-class Xg-1 Star Wing compared with similar looking craft from my previously mentioned game. And not just compare the sizes of each other, but also the larger ship types. These comparisons can show that there is an evolutionary trend that also goes along with advances in technology alongside the available resources & such…
Video suggestion: what if the Imperium of Man invaded the Star Wars Galaxy during the Clone Wars? Would we have a truce between CIS and Republic? Would any Star Wars faction be able to reverse engineer 40k hardware or the Imperium woul just slowly but surely conquer the Star wars galaxy?
I may have missed it but have you guys talked about the economics of Star Wars? It would take a lot of money, workers, materials, and significant amount of national GDP to support a military force this large.
Fantastic video. However, you missed talkinga about the old republic's 600m-length Valor-class cruiser, which was the Republic's biggest ship type during the Great Galactic War and the following conflicts. Used along the smaller Thranta-class corvette, it had a similar role as the Venator carrying a huge fighter complement to overwhelm enemy ships like the Harrower, its Sith counterpart. It was quite fast for a ship of its size at the cost of less armament, so that the Valor-class cruiser wasn't seen often in the frontline. PD: I love your videos :)
in the year 1906, the year HMS Dreadnought set to sea a destroyer on average had a displacement of a thousand tons, Dreadnought displaced 18,000 tons, and one of the first aircraft carriers, came in at 10,000 tons. Only 30 years later the largest battleship, INJ Yamato displaced 70,000 tons. A full hundred years later the latest US destroyer displaces 18,000 tons and the largest aircraft carrier to date weighs in at 100,000 tons. The point behind this is in only a hundred years the size of warships grew by anywhere from 5x to 20x larger than their predecessors. Its really astonishing that the ships in Star Wars are so small and grew so little over such a ling span of time.
Sounds like the Ruusan Reformation and the era after it are the Star Wars equivalent to the Khitomer Accords and the Golden Age of Star Trek. Though shorter, it was a similar event that ushered in decades of peace and demilitarization. The Cardassian and Tzenkethi border conflicts are like the tensions with the outer rim and the Trade Federation, with the Borg invasoin and the Dominion War as the Clone Wars. Even the Cardassians became part of the Dominion same as the Trade Federation became part of the Separatist. And just like how the Republic became the Empire, post Dominion, the Federation became a lot darker. Which brings up the question... who's ripping off who?
I feel like there is also some political reasons that the ships increased in size because alot of the smaller ships come from not smaller but just less connected with the more influencial people
I would combine the best qualities of the Centurion Battle-cruiser (excellent size, diverse weapons, troop complement and star-fighter complement) with the Resurgent class Star Destroyer (modern design, powerful weapons system, emergency bridge, and star-fighter deployment).
Hey, I’m not sure if you’ve ever addressed this or not, but my boys in white deserve to have their names cleared of the disgusting rumors about their lack of competency. Can you address the difference between accurate and precise, and what that means in terms of being a soldier in the galactic navy? The jedi traitor that is obi-wan was wise to point out his imperial highness’ troopers precision, but for some reason people can only see how they miss when shooting at rebel scum and declare them incompetent
Generation Tech which is why I believe everyone should lighten up and recognize people’s attempt at levity in an otherwise shitty year. I’ve been a sub to the channel and enjoy the videos, it’s a joke. Comedy is another form of entertainment just like making Star Wars videos during that same “difficult time”.
No. The reason(s) these ships keep getting bigger is because the average viewer, whether they realize it or not, are used to having "bigger and better" thrown at them at every turn. So with each new iteration they get bigger. Basically, everyone is jaded. So one must go to extreme lengths to entertain. Also, when making merchandise to sell to children, size matters. The bigger a thing is, the more they can charge for it. A small hunk of cheap plastic doesn't fetch as much as a larger hunk of cheap plastic. Imagine, though, how interesting it would be if the ships kept getting smaller and smaller, to the point where everyone had to walk to get from point A to point B. That wouldn't be very fun, now would it?
Interesting how the Inferno Squad’s Corvus owes a lot of its design to the Centurion class Star Destroyer. I never noticed that until now. Also, you all totally missed the the Supremacy (aka the Mandator IV class Siege Dreadnoughts).
Sponsorship obligations with Geonosian Hive Engineering? Looks like you have sponsorship obligations with Frito-Lay. I have no idea what you said the whole video because those crispy golden chips behind you were calling out to me. If you’ll excuse me, I’ll be on my way to my local grocer/convenience store.
Perhaps if you didn’t hire Morgan Freeman to recite random lines you wouldn’t have so many sponsorship obligations. You could hire me instead, I would recite all the random lines you want for a bowl of chips!
The SD1 to the SD2 they underwent a more automated change while reducing the crew size and hangar size if I remember correctly. My biggest question for the mid to late Empire period under Palpatine would have to be why we didn't see any real changes in point def systems given that snub fighters had continually proven to be the glaring weakness in the ship designs for the period. I also find it strange that we never see any kind of real guided ordinance for anti ship combat implemented in any later designs. The turbo laser system is all well and good, but I would have expected at least some changes in weapon systems to compensate later.
It's worth noting that in Lucas's vision the ISDs were capable of doing whatever he wanted them to do when he wanted them to do it. They use flak in Ep5, and even keep up with the Falcon. They're actually meant to be quite intimidating ships to fight against, referenced when Lando suggests to Ackbar that they charge into the ISDs at Endor and Ackbar responds that they won't last long if they do. However it's also worth pointing out that, at least originally, Lucas doesn't seem to have imagined the ISD as the Empire's "standard" ship. During their conversation in the cantina Han says he can outrun Imperial starships, and specifically mentions the "big Corellian ships" (likely the ISDs) and contrasts them to the "local bulk-cruisers" (what was likely meant to be the standard Imperial ship). And yet in most EU material that's exactly what the ISD is, the standard Imperial ship. However Lucas probably imagined having an ISD patrolling somewhere being equivalent with having a modern _Nimitz-class_ patrolling the area. You don't bring it in just for everyday patrol duty, you use it for regions of strategic importance.
WHY DID THEY STOP USING MASS DRIVERS. In space, mass drivers would be far FAR more powerful than plasma bolts. Way more destructive. Even in atmosphere they would be far more effective
Hello Alan you little off on dreadnought give us the definition dread·nought /ˈdredˌnôt,ˈdredˌnät/ noun 1. HISTORICAL a type of battleship introduced in the early 20th century, larger and faster than its predecessors and equipped entirely with large-caliber guns.
Because star wars navies apparently never lack for resources and thus never have to worry about the absurd resource cost of investing so many alloys in one ship then sending it into a brutal war in which it could be annihilated in a very non-renewable manner. The only time I have ever seen this be addressed is in The Force Unleashed where its established that the Empire is salvaging the scrap of Raxus Prime to build star destroyers. I guess the Sith prefer cruising through space in progressively larger and larger phallic symbols to actually winning wars.
Imagine being in a sleeper for 100 years and getting to target planet . And finding out two years after you left hyper drive was invented. Your grand children meet you when ship lands .
It seems to me that the important factor to producing large ships is apparent free energy or power sources installed on these vessels. Like those star destroyers that have a planet destroying laser on them, sudpending belief in a fictional universe its still stupidly unbelievable. The energy from a power source has to be converted and used in a laser that can destroy a planet in three seconds. Star Wars writers really gotta tailor the BS back but yeah the power sources make these large ships go i think.
How does Halo use them more? Almost every gun in Mass Effect is a coil gun, even the standard infantry sidearm, while Halo only uses them for their MAC cannons.
I'm sorry I refuse to believe the the sith empire capital ship was 800 meters long it just don't sound right I feel like it should be at least it just as big or a little bigger than a star destroyer
It’s dumb they changed star ships or even attempted to improve them. All the empire needed to do according to Disney was to increase the size of the venator and put a super laser on the bottom of it.
So it went from small but good warships to large but still reasonably sized warships then to very unreasonable resource wasting warships with the empire starting with the imperial line.
