Ex-Post Office boss hits out at Tory government after accusations of lying 

Badenoch fearful that she could lose her job, and negatively affect the tory party in the general election. So has to come back with something to save her skin. If it wasn't for the itv drama, all this would have been swept under the rug by the UK government.

That was the most damaging thing i gathered from this. His notes were from at the time of the conversation. The other parties notes were just written

yes I agree with you on the above the MP is the one not telling the truth.........

@@Jonathanbaker It turns out this badenoch is a serial liar. A compulsive liar, exposed quite a few times now by other groups. I try not to follow too much politics as all sides are compulsive lairs and will pandr to anybody and everybody to get their vote. So missd out on the salient details of this canada deal that badenoch was gloating about. Till the canadians went public and said ther was not such thing. In the thread where i read this the author mentioned a few more other cases where she was exposed as somebody who was quiteliberal with the truth. oh, yes. Badenoch stated that she was in touch with some LGBT+ group. Till they went public as well and said that no such thing happened.

Absolutely, there's a reason why contemporaneous notes are valid in court,like a police officers notebook. And there's a reason why contemparaneous notes are a good idea when dealing with politicians.

Public vote and referendum on whether tax payers money should be used. Sick and tired of governments wasting tax payers money without public consultation.

I think Fijitsu should pay the most as it was their product that caused all the problems

The problem is whilst Fijitsu is far from blameless and must pay a share, this is a tortious conspiracy to which Post Office Limited owned solely by the Crown is liable. Tort liability is joint and several, meaning as a matter of law every defendant is liable to all the costs and it is for the defendants to settle the share amongst themselves or by separate court order. So using the number of 100k for simplicity, with a 50/50 fault distribution (which again is for simplicity it is ultimately for the court or statutory inquiry to determine the exact distribution) that doesn't mean that both are liable to 50k, it means that the Post Office and Fijitsu are jointly liable to the Sub-Postmaster in the amount of 100k, and the Sub-Postmaster may recover that judgment from both or either defendant shared between them however they like. If the Post Office pay 50k and Fijitsu fail to pay, the 50k is outstanding against both of them, if the Post Office then pay it, they may sue Fijitsu to recover that 50k but ultimately the Post Office didn't have a choice but to pay it until then. Fijitsu was not the only one, the Post Office knew but didn't want others to find out.

Fujitsu have said they are prepared to pay up, to be fair. Their representative seems to be the only one who has sat there and said yes we were at fault, this was a disaster and we will pay what the inquiry tells us to pay without argument.

@@suky1973 So you want a referendum on whether the Post Office should have to pay compensation? Because the Post Office is tax payer funded.

I would believe Henry Staunton. They made up their file notes last week in cahoots to sully his name. Awful. Whilst this is about post office masters and mistresses, the pressure he must be under by this besmirch must be immense

looks like a pattern to me

lets not forget even before her political 'career' took off she was caught hacking into a Labour MPs computer/email ... she is a dreadful, corrupt liar

agree her credibility has certainly been called into question by the other three circumstances...she does not like to be challenged on anything

@@CaptainFearless1 I think its called petulance.

they are both bad eggs but yeah I agree.

Do you believe his own CEO who called him a liar

@@terrysmith9362The ceo of the post office?

@@honved1 yes

Really? You've failed the IQ test. Both are not to be trusted.

My mate Darren,a bookies runner would say how has a nutter like you got the money to make bets with.

Are they lips moving? Then don’t believe a word they say

😂 Tory telling the truth!!!

Don't hold your breath waiting on Sunak doing anything about giving the little people money.

Good luck with that. Still waiting, I see.

@@fuertewelly exactly my thoughts!

She’s on the gravy 🚂

She's nipped out to post a letter

Hopefully locked up along with the rest of her ilk!

She has gone back to the bottom of the barrel that she scraped from.

Precisely this is repayment of stolen money.

Not really. SOME of that money is money that needs to be refunded, but a lot of it IS compensation, that is why it is so much, and also why so few claims have been settled.

​@@davidcolin6519listen to Mr Bates

She is a Tory phone hacker. I won't believe anything she says as far as I could gob.

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@donmac7780: I think you mean slander unless she's committed her lies about Staunton to writing. Yes, I agree with you 100%.

She'd probably be protected by parliamentary privilege

@@DerrickJenkins-s6c Yes, quite right.

​@@andrewmark2783surely she would have to come out and apologize to the house at least

She can say more or less what she likes in the House, because of Parliamentary privilege. If she repeats outside what she said inside, Staunton could, and should, launch an action for defamation against her. Let's all sit back and see if she repeats what she said, without the protection the House of Commons gives her. Anyone taking bets?

Yes, and Post Office Ltd are making the sub-postmasters jump through years of legal hoops to put in a claim. When the S-PMs think they've got their paperwork together, they're asked for more & more detail, some going back 20 years. If I was a cynic, I'd say that there's ppl in authority (mostly politicians and civil servants) who are *STILL* trying to bury this shabby shambles in red tape, long grass and legalese. *PAY THE SPMs NOW.*

That is the irony here. By their criminally negligent behaviour, both The Post Office and Fujitsu have done infinitely more damage to their corporate brands than if they had admitted liability and mistakes at the time, and paid up. Culpable heads need to roll, and we need to campaign that both companies are censured and fined punatively. Fujitsu should lose opportunities to quote for any government contracts over the next five years.

@@silversurfer8278 Exactly. Watching Vennells the other day, once the darling of the business world with her OBE and accolades, I thought "has it been worth it?" Now, public shame and humiliation. Probably will never appear in public again until the courtroom beckons. And it could all have been avoided. So much suffering for so long. And the only people getting rich are the lawyers.

Ditto every involved party in the Post Office. Stephen B's a jumped-up bouncer.

We're quoting Nixon now.....yo gods. Well, I guess this shower really are that bad!!!

typo: ye gods! 😡

She is very bad at politics also, despite her arrogance and sneering at others

I certainly agree on your second point. However, on the money for wars, I would only add that money for Ukraine means not having to fight the Russians ourselves.

​@@petergaskin1811 I believe that phrase is regarding the actions in the middle east where we are fighting, but the benefit of a country who are capable of defending their own country, and side note: crimes against humanity-again.

@@petergaskin1811 How would Russia ever invade us? Surely we'd just threaten use of Nuke's. The reason they could invade Ukraine is because they gave up their nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for not being invaded. We all saw how that worked out..

And we can't house our homeless but everyone else's you only need to look who is mayor mps pm Not looking after English people

Let's hope so, just for starters, eh?

Exactly, no ums and ahs, answers the questions asked of him. Unlike Johnson, Stergen, and Co.

Unlike Johnson*

The only time he 'tripped up' was when he mentioned 'poor government, governance' 😂

Baroness Mone still moaning!

​@@bigpants6121any normal pleb from down the road would have been banged up for months if you stole millions from the state....

banged up for months... waiting for a proper trial!!

Carpe Diem. Particularly when up to your neck in the brown stuff!

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Doesn't it get interesting when you delve into a number of Conservative MP's 'connections'? It must be another reason why increasing numbers of the electorate have such a negative opinion of MP's generally.

She's in her burrow

or under her rock.

Because their all liars

'cause sunak has no balls

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Hang on he was only appointed after the cover up had been exposed. He is not on trial for the faults of his predecessors.

Yes yes yes. Of course it should. But it won't. All thick as thieves, Govt, PO managers and board. They should lose their homes too. Be made to sit outside supermarkets begging .

Fujitsu Japan saw these complete idiots coming.

Much of this happened under Labour. The Post Office executives are uncaring and corrupt. Even now they are witholding information.

@@markhorton8578PO only said that had problem well after 2010.

13 years of Tory rule and still people blame labor. What a joke

@@jakeblair4215 This started under labour, but it is not a political thing. It's greed and corruption among post office bosses chasing bonuses, instead of paying attention to their jobs.

It's the worst, now. Someone please tell them, the British Empire is now long GONE!!!

Probably one of our beloved prime minister's wife's dad's business which she just happens to have a few shares in

The Post Office are claiming they are building the replacement in house but I don't think they have the skills to do this. I think it might be worth sending them a Freedom of Information Request as they are not disclosing anything about the Horizon Replacement Project which is unusual and not very transparent. However it may be the case that the Government is planning to close the Post Office down and replace the whole thing with a new organisation, who knows?

It's being built in house which likely means it's actually being done by consultancy firms Accenture and CoForge. They did have a contract with IBM but they cancelled that contract after work had already started in another great waste of money.

Yes indeed. They can find limitless money for Ulez infrastructure, sending to Ukraine etc but couldn't give a dam about these poor postmasters. It's abhorrent. 😡

That's the job of civil servants. Say everything and nothing 😂

Not really.

I predict the vast majority will escape. Especially those at the top.

ABSOLUTEMENT.

YES. YES....

Yes, other people would call it a scam, or blackmail, or gaslighting or maybe even extortion. Normal people would be called a gang and all their assets picked apart. These people get a knighthood and a non executive director position.

Absolutely!!!

A true rationalist. 👍

@@huwzebediahthomas9193 I find the two to be mutually exclusive these days. If you were able to look up "honourable conservative government minister" the entry should read "See: Oxymoron".

Seems like a totally dishonourable man and a liar. Happily he has dug himself a hole which is getting deeper all the time. Forensic examination of his contemporaneous note might well settle the argument.