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Expert Audio Series - Speaker and Room Layouts Part 1 

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AVPro Edge is back with another session with Anthony Grimani! The placement of speakers in a room can make or break the overall sound quality of an audio system. Sometimes oddly shaped rooms can prohibit you from putting speakers in their ideal position. In this webinar Jason and Anthony will be discussing room and speaker layouts, and what you should do when you have to make a compromise in the system design.

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4 июл 2024

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@matthewacker0177
@matthewacker0177 Год назад
Grimani is the best. Truly incredible presentations. 30 years of expertise perfectly condensed into a few hours.
@bryanguest2807
@bryanguest2807 Год назад
Very professorial. There are many people in his field with similar amounts of experience but to be able to field questions live and make complex physics so understandable is a whole seperate talent.
@KASmonkeys
@KASmonkeys Месяц назад
had to stop everything to watch this quality content - thanks!
@josephfranzen5626
@josephfranzen5626 2 года назад
Ever since seeing Anthony on the Audioholics series of videos I’ve been searching for other material with him featured in it and came across your channel. Excellent upload!
@masterofnaan
@masterofnaan 2 года назад
I have a 5.1.2 and originally had my .2 as heights on the front wall. Wasn’t super impressed but noticed the sound was bigger (not necessarily better though). So later I reinstalled as center ceilings; still not convinced. BUT I had them in line with front left and right per Dolby’s diagram…. Until tonight. I moved each in just 6 inches, and i shit you not, my freakin jaw is still on the floor with how much more immersive it is. After 2 years of dickin around I finally got the atmos bubble I’ve been looking for. Thank you guys so much!!!
@bryanguest2807
@bryanguest2807 Год назад
Man Ive been having anxiety attacks about where exactly to cut these two holes in my ceiling for my 5.2.2 setup. Thanks for your input.
@stephenyoud6125
@stephenyoud6125 7 месяцев назад
Good for you!! While planning the new Room for our new House build, I watched all the Grimani webinars on AV Pro Edge and Audioholics and got my speaker placement for a full 9.4.4 Atmos system pretty much exactly where Anthoiny showed they should be on this video. Also check oyt the Atmos angles video from Home Theater Gurus for further verification. He also acknowledges a deby to Anthony Grimani for he has learnt and experienced - which is great to hear another confirnmation of this approach.
@scaler2296
@scaler2296 2 года назад
Hopefully at last this is the ONE! I'm forever changing my speakers and seat positions and never seem to be completely satisfied. How ever recently I did go with a set up suggested by an article on line which is working well but with all the detailed information in this video all of the questions that I have ever had regarding set up seem to be answered so I will reposition everything based on this video. Great work guys!
@ChadAV69
@ChadAV69 3 месяца назад
This is such a top tier video. I'm going projector so I'm redoing my speaker layout and this is just more great info from Mr. Grimani that will help make my system sound BEAST!!!! Thanks!
2 года назад
Great video
@dansantoso48
@dansantoso48 4 года назад
Hi thanks for this amazing video. I have a 9.4.6 HT trinnov system. I am having a dip in the 125hz with my L and R speaker. The C is fine. Speaker are toe in and about 5cm from the front wall at 44° Room is heavy threated, 4 bass trap in corner. 5cm absortion in all 1st reflection
@Quetzalcoatl0
@Quetzalcoatl0 4 года назад
Wow, soo much info and it came just in time. I'm planning on building a Theather in the living room, i know it's not ideal but there are no other rooms to do it. Learned about the distance between a woven screen and speakers, a bit of crossover and MTM pros and cons. (yes i will DIY my speakers too). I'm planing on watching part 2 tomorrow and on saturday. I don't know if there will be an answer to my question there so i'm gonna ask it here anyway. Ok an MTM has it's problems, but i can't do a TM only because the 8 inch woofer that i plan to use won't be able to reach reference (105db at listening position), and doing a MTM with 10 inch woofers is out of the question, the horn and the 8 inch will take soo much space and in the living room not happening. So what if i use a 10 inch coaxial driver ? I know there are problems with that because the cone acts as a wave guide that moves up and down and messes with sound badly, that's why i avoid planing a coaxial driver design, but i wanted to hear your opinion on that also.
@volunteerpin313
@volunteerpin313 3 года назад
Great video. Designing my second theater and hopefully am fixing some errors I made the first go around. Near the beginning of the video, it was suggested to use a 50 degree viewing angle. Is this comment true for both 16:9 and 2.39:1? I have been planning on using a 130" AT screen at an 11-11.5 foot seating distance to the MLP which as I recall will give me a view angle of about 45 degrees. Going up to a 140" screen puts me at the 50 degrees. This is for a 16:9 screen. Thanks for the clarification.
@dansantoso48
@dansantoso48 4 года назад
How to get rid of the dip? Closer to the wall? Another question many people says for stereo pulling the speaker further away from the front wall gives best soundstage and imaging. This practise is different than home cinema. How to get both? Thank you
@billj1585
@billj1585 2 года назад
Anyone know which processor he is talking about that does not send a signal to the upper middle speakers when you are using the wides? It is mentioned between 37 and 39 minutes. I am researching a 9.X.6 system to purchase and this seems important.
@Quetzalcoatl0
@Quetzalcoatl0 4 года назад
46:30 well height channels are used in object based audio, but you can have more bed channels than the 7 channels. So the wides are wides but what would we call the speaker between the wide and the side, or between the side and the back. You can have up to 22 bed channels, same naming problem.
@JasonNosajasoNosaj
@JasonNosajasoNosaj 5 месяцев назад
38:25 Anthony prefers 9.x.2 over 9.x.4 for smaller rooms. On forums I see most people having a different opinion, favoring 5.x.4 over Rear or Wide speakers. I wonder what other people think on upgrade paths and what Anthony's prefers too 48:10.
@pabsgabs
@pabsgabs 3 года назад
"Add 1/2" foam to the entire front baffle" I don't get it, what is that for and how? thanks, great video!
@adrianbarac3063
@adrianbarac3063 2 года назад
Can Front Wides be matrixed from ANY soundtrack, from a regular 5.1 to an Atmos or DTS-X track that doesn't already feature Wides in the bed layer?
@joekool5676
@joekool5676 Год назад
Should surrounds be used for a room that is 25 ft long bit only 12 ft wide? If so should they be dipole? Also how atmos that this space, 2 or 4? Ceiling height is 8.5 ft
@shaolin95
@shaolin95 Год назад
Also why he talked about the flawed MTM centers but not of the MUCH MUCH better 3-way centers???
@iannewby5057
@iannewby5057 7 месяцев назад
What height the side,wide and backs from finished floor level
@Quetzalcoatl0
@Quetzalcoatl0 4 года назад
i'm at point for the talk of the wide speakers. Wides can only be used in a Atmos based movie, (DTS-X is limited to 7.1.4 so no wides). And most Atmos movies don't have that many objects (for BDs) anyway so the wides are almost never used. Standard 7.1 mixes also can't put sound into the wides. Is there a trick or something to make them work ? EDIT: ok i'm at the 49:52 minute mark. Well yes objects can be placed at the wides, but the problem is that Atmos for home can only store 16 objects ? so the wides won't be used that much. Also many people on forums that have wides say that they almost never hear sound coming from them even thou their AVR or AV pre-pro says it support wides. And and, most Atmos movies don't take the full potential of the object based audio, they just add enough to add the marking label on the disk. =/ Maybe we should ditch the normal way of mixing audio and do everything with object, this way we can force the studio to produce proper audio. But this will cause soo many problems on the consumer level. Maybe i will find the answers later in the stream, gotta go to bed so will try to finish the last hour tomorrow :). Really love these.I will probably watch all your videos.
@adrianbarac3063
@adrianbarac3063 2 года назад
Did we find out the answer to this? I'm considering Wides vs Rear Heights, and my assumption was that EVERYTHING can be upmixed / upconverted to play across however many channels you have running. Similar to how any 5.1 mix upconverts brilliantly to 7.1. So the Front Wides will effectively be matrixed in and fill the gap between the Front LCR and Side Surrounds. Is this the case???
@ts6640
@ts6640 2 года назад
@@adrianbarac3063 same for me. Did we get an answer?
@bigdogaxis
@bigdogaxis 2 года назад
When Dolby advertised Atmos as object-based audio, it seemed to me the processor would be responsible for mapping the sound according to one’s available speakers. The appropriate tones would play at whichever position regardless of whether a wide or rear speaker existed at that spot. Either sound engineers don’t know how to do this or object-based audio is fake because we are still not experiencing sound as it was presented in those #DolbyAtmos short films.
@sumitchandraagarwal
@sumitchandraagarwal Год назад
Hopefully Anthony Grimani sees this, but the in-wall speakers with pivoting drivers (mid and tweeter) is Monitor Audio
@dandonna852
@dandonna852 2 года назад
I have small room with no 4th. wall
@blazeh10
@blazeh10 3 года назад
Can you guys tell me, if my room is 21x19, my RX-a2080 can do 9 channel, which would I benefit more from, 5.2.4 or 7.2.2? Is it right to think that there is less to benefit from rear speakers then 4 ceilings?
@avproedge
@avproedge 3 года назад
Some of our techs prefer the rear speakers, and some of our techs prefer the ceiling speakers. Both have advantages and disadvantages. In the end it comes down to personal preference.
@adrianbarac3063
@adrianbarac3063 2 года назад
They touch on this in Part 2, but I think most would agree that it's diminishing returns after you've correctly set up 2 Front Heights, while the Rears give you that depth, wider sweetspot and 180 degree balance of the surround soundfield. (Going from 5.1 to 7.1 and upconverting was a HUGE improvement for me). So I'd recommend 7.2.2
@deepanmurugan467
@deepanmurugan467 10 месяцев назад
Isn't the most ideal set-up of Front LCR a equilateral one? Meaning the front left and front right are the same distance from each other as the Centre speaker is from the MLP? and the angle is 60 deg between MLP and front right & front left?
@MovieViking
@MovieViking 6 месяцев назад
No, he explains this in the video
2 года назад
Br = Back right speaker but also Back right subwoofer
@whitecrowuk575
@whitecrowuk575 2 года назад
Dolby spec for height is more to the sides and 45 degree not 30. Getting it closer will lose depth. Also would disagree on other speakers spread. LR set at 30 and you’ll notice big difference. Rest on each side spread every 40 degrees so 70 FW 110 Surround 150 surround back and each speaker is given even 40 degrees for sound dispersion. Also for stereo music 30 degrees (from center) with my speakers gives bigger soundstage than suggested 22.5 (45). Next center speaker position: yes you can angle center speaker at you and there is probably max angle that you should not exceed if you want sound to by attached to screen. Not distance between LR and center but angle of center. 2 feet will mean little if you sit 18 feet away. 1 feet will mean a lot if you sit 6 feet away. It’s about angles to your MLP not distances between.
@shaolin95
@shaolin95 Год назад
yes his separation on the whole sides and rears is just dumb lol
@viperracing2889
@viperracing2889 2 года назад
The recommended viewing angle is 30 degrees according to calculators online, not 50 degrees? 🤔
@shaolin95
@shaolin95 Год назад
those calculations are VERY outdated. at least 40 for 16:9 and 50 for scope if you want better immersion
@donlew8222
@donlew8222 2 года назад
Bye
@shaolin95
@shaolin95 Год назад
This is absurd. Why would you want 65º of separation from Side Left to Back Left yet only 30º between Back Left and Back Right?!!! You can do much better creating a better gap between the rears to allow some panning while also solidifying the imaging between sides and rears. Also he saying the top fronts can be 20-30 degrees forward from you is missing one KEY element...ceiling height. If you are limited like 8 feet or less, 20 degrees will place them so close to you, that you may as well just use 2 atmos instead of 4. How much forward they will be placed is affected by your ceiling height so he cannot just throw some numbers like that.
@animalanimation5110
@animalanimation5110 3 года назад
I love how he exposed how absurd the theory of evolution is, at 40:20. If evolution is true, then the offspring of Atmos listeners should be born with tiny little ears at the top of their heads, and these ears should gradually grow larger with each new generation of offspring!
@shaolin95
@shaolin95 Год назад
or we will be able to fly already considering how useful that would be for all of us.
@Heimkinofan
@Heimkinofan 9 месяцев назад
A lot of bullshit is spread here. Professional installers from the home theater sector have made a lot of tests here and gained a lot of experience in practice. It is absolute nonsense to install the front speakers at 22 instead of 30 degrees.
@Tardymo
@Tardymo 6 месяцев назад
Maybe this is where front wide channels come into play? Given that 50 degrees of viewing angle is already on the wider side of things, how could L and R channels ever be behind the screen?
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