SO basically they just explained how he is not traveling, and you still bitch that he will travel... You people are fucking idiots and I hate the Rockets....
I’m a high school official and this is helpful. I am officiating a nba g league game and it’s the morning of can’t sleep trying to prepare. Never thought I’d have this opportunity
So they come up with the "gather step" to keep from calling traveling so much....Yeah still looks like traveling to me...still taking 3 steps after the last dribble...
Gather step is not that hard to understand. it’s just a stupid rule. that’s why nowhere else in the world allows it. It’s an intentionally vague rule to allow players more freedom with their steps in any given situation where they are dribbling or catching the ball. this rule in combination with the defensive 3-sec and no handchecking is why Luka said it’s eaiser to score in the US. Defense wasn’t killed by 3 pointers it was killed by the rules being written for ratings instead of honest basketball.
@@MrCHI2cool Yes, just because he was showing it blatantly and with no Flair, That's why the ref called it, but when you see the coach doing it this makes it clear it's a travel, and bullshit invented in the NBA for spectacular dunks. Rule was and should be this, the moment You stop dribling it's step one if not You are doing 3 steps when basket only allows 2 and you make it injust because It depends if the ref likes your dunk or not
Fans understand the rules. You just understand them differently. The NBA is KNOWN for NOT making these calls. We always knew that. Now we are being forced to watch people do them on PURPOSE. The two steps ARE for the purpose of gathering. Calling 1-2-3. 0-1-2, doesn't make what was done legal, it just makes the game easier to call. But once the players know they get it, they take it!
Absolutely. I am so disappointed in the NBA. It is becoming a freak show and it's mostly caused by these rules. The rules are favoring pure strength and height instead of skill.
Actually the NBA used to enforce the rules back when mj was still playing. Then they just stopped and started letting players like labron James and James harden go on a nature hike before they have to dribble. Lol.
@@MrE_ The thing is dribble ends when a player touches the ball with both hands or puts hand under the ball. Travel rules are actually simple if you understand them.
What made this confusing is because prior to this era of basketball with players like James Harden, etc. this move would have been called a travel. There was no such thing as a gather step then and if there was, refs even ignored it. You pick your dribble then you're just allowed 2 steps to take a shot or pass the ball, that's it. So please, someone from FIBA, the NBA or whatever tell us when this "gather step" rule started. I remember when Manu Ginobili got to the NBA and started doing his "euro step", some fans thought it was a travel also but it was clearly not based on the 2-step rule. Then James Harden came along and suddenly we now have this "gather step" rule....
it came in 2009, it is what it is, we cant get mad at harden for taking advantage of a rule change, hes a genius because hes the first one who realized what you can actually do with an extra step and thats why hes so unguardable
Key point, the gather step is the foot that is on the ground when you gather the ball, if you gather while you're in the air there is no gather step, the first foot to land after the gather would be your first step (pivot)
Thanks for a great video coach! At 3:14, the rest of the guys are actually correct that it's indeed a travel - you just passed over the border into taking TWO gather steps. Look closely where your hand is on the ball on the very first step that you claim is before your gather step. It's underneath the ball - so effectively that means you already started your gather step. After that you take three steps. This is what raises true concern in a lot of comment sections, cause it's happening all over the league - one gather step is legal, but ever so slightly players have snuck in more and more of a pre-gather, making it a travel if you follow the rule book. You don't make the same move at 3:27, there the hand stays above the ball until you make your gather step. Obviously, one can make the argument that you held your hand beneath the basketball for demonstration purposes, to be able to move slowly. In that case, I rest my case :) But that's really what's happening in the NBA, so it's still very valid to argue against that move.
This comment should absolutely be pinned. And this is exactly why "horizontal hang" is more contentious than "vertical hang" (like in the case of a windmill). Because horizontal hang can easily be a carry when the hand is close to 90 degrees. Even more contentious is when the first step occurs *at the exact same time* as both hands touch the ball (this happens a lot in NBA). Some consider this step 0, others step 1. But NBA rules state step 1 occurs AFTER gaining control of the ball. The problem is when it occurs simultaneously, technically it's not AFTER. And so I think most NBA refs' calls are indeed correct when they count the "simultaneous step" as step 0.
it just comes down to understanding a LIVE dribble and when it comes to an end. Many people make the misconception of thinking that a live dribble ends after one bounce of the basketball and two steps. Fact of the matter is there is no limit to how many steps the ball handler can take while the dribble is LIVE. A LIVE dribble comes to an end when the ball comes to a rest in one hand or the ball is grabbed by both hands. The ball handler is allowed to gather the ball when this occurs. Once you get a good understanding of that all of these moves make legal sense. When explaining this to people after they get it most of them tell me it's because they couldn't find the right words. Most people make the mistake of simply going directly to explaining a GATHER step without explaining what a LIVE DRIBBLE is and when it comes to an end ...[WHEN YOU GATHER IT] Coach....at 3:27 when you did your lay up and the ref said it may come into question it's because you were doing it so slowly that the ball came to a rest in your hand thereby terminating your dribble ... THAT'S why he said that was tricky. When you did it faster it was clean because the ball did not appear to come to a rest in your hand. So YES....speed does matter because if you're GATHERING too slowly in one hand and it comes to a rest then your dribble ended at that point and your two steps began .
That's where it gets tricky. The very best at it prolong the final contact with the ball by quite a bit by almost palming (and sometimes blatantly palming) the ball and slowing it down very deliberately and delaying the contact with the 2nd hand to the maximum. It's very hard to spot because these guys have giant hands and excellent technique.
@@mattsavage6365 precisely....these are amazing athletes that are very fast and have huge hands that can palm the ball without it even seeming like it occurs. Officiating at the highest level is extremely difficult.
Wow. I did not know that there's no step limit when the dribble is still live. So i guess it's technically legal to run the ball all the way to the other end of the court as long as the player's palm does not go underneath the axis of the ball. I mean, it's impossible to do due to gravity but still legal. Learned something new today. Thanks for the info, man!
@@jhdivina correct... Think about it. That's why you can literally run with the ball while dribbling up the court... because there is no step limit while your dribble is live. It's why you can push the ball in front of you in a full court sprint without a two step limit. It's why you can you can toss the ball between the defenders leg on the run and keep dribbling while taking more than two steps so long as you don't grab the ball with two hands or palm it with one.
I miss “Can u hear me shaking my head?!” 😂😂 I’m deadass I miss that so much. So happy pre season is happening so I can finally have some basketball besides Drew League and BIG3.
In the NBA and FIBA, you are also given a "gather step". When a player has taken more than 3 steps without the ball being dribbled, a traveling violation is called. The rule was 2 steps before 2018, but The International Basketball Federation, also known as FIBA changed the rule.
I don't think this video really addressed the real traveling violation controversy. I'll have to make one and ask coach to check it out and see what people really argue over.
Similar to how kicking the feet out on a 3 pt shot used to get 3 free throws, this will also be changed to a violation. You can no longer kick your feet out and soon you wont be able to prolong your dribbles.
You're supposed to jump off both feet at the same time on the last two steps. Every level I've played at has called it a travel if they are two independent steps. I think the rule has morphed and changed over the years just like other sports rules have for higher scoring games, which keeps fans interested and seats filled.
jesus u must have played in 1963 then because never have I heard you have to jump off both feet. it used to just be that the gather step is the first step of your 1-2, not the zero. whatever you said is null and void and frankly makes no sense whatsoever.
This is a bunch of mental gymnastics around the fact that it is traveling and adding terminology like the "gather step" is just an equivalent to the reality of a third step. All of the discussion around the "steps not looking like a travel when its in motion" is not valid because traveling is not dependent on how fast you are moving just if you pick up and put down your established pivot foot before passing or shooting.
I'd also want to hear about the START of the dribble. Like, watching LeBron in fast break action he catches, takes like five steps to pick up speed and only then starts to dribble.
I think it comes down to when the player is considered to have possession of the ball. Also if you're a super star like Bron or Giannis you get an extra 2-3 steps for free lol.
Start by defining what a "step" is. Then define what a "gather" is. Then define what a "gather step is" PRECISELY. As in when the ball is "gathered," relative to when feet are touching the ground, off the ground, landing back on the ground...etc. Until you actually define the terms you will keep chasing your tail and talking around in circles.
honestly the only reason why the gather step is a debate is because the definition of a carry changed. nowadays you could basically put your handle under the ball which allows ball handlers to take more steps before they gather the ball
03:14 thats actually travelling...you are palming the ball so you are already in control of the ball before your feet touches the floor...you cant move forward with the ball (that means that you are controlling the ball ) so every step counts...
I like how they try to use a 3rd step and still make an excuse to call it a gather that’s sorry ! Anything more than 2 steps is a travel make it more simple rather than trying to make a violation legal 😂
Good stuff on the gather. Two points of emphasis missed: It has to be a gather-one-two step. No left-left-right, or right-right-left, that's not normal motion, and thus a travel. (so take care on that stepback, if you hop into it, either hop with the proper foot early, or be exactly on time. If you have a rhythm of hopping but hopping left-right-up out of a left foot stepback, that's a travel) Second, the moment the hand is under the ball, the ball is gathered. So the windmill-gather starts when the hand carries the ball up, not so much when the ball is touched by both hands.
That’s not accurate. A euro step moves in two directions and is perfectly legal. Nothing in the rule book dictates which direction the 2 steps need to be in
BBALLBREAKDOWN do you think he meant that you can’t go left foot down-left foot down-right foot down? Like the triple jump in track and field. Saying that the cadence needs to always be alternating feet down only. So euro-step is cool, but triple jump is not? I’ve seen one play were Steph Curry came really close to using the triple-jump cadence and it was extremely effective at getting past his man, but looked really close to a travel. Watching in slow-mo you could tell he was just changing the cadence of his feet while utilizing the gather. Thanks for the great content!
@@bballbreakdown I was talking about cadence and which foot came down, not so much about direction. So a triple jump (like athletics) is not allowed. If you step back with your left foot, then land into a hop, but not with two feet simultaneously, that may be a travel if you land left-right.
NBA Twitter needs this.. I consistently see guys comment travel under a highlight from Harden.. Lebron.. etc. I can argue all day that it’s not a travel but it’s all on preference of player.. if you like the player you’ll ignore his faults.. kinda like how ppl say Lebron travels but Giannis can take one dribble from the free throw line and everyone is in awe.. don’t let bias blind you.. there’s a reason these guys are in the NBA getting paid millions.. the skills needed in the league nowadays are crazy
Because teams want multiple ball pocessions. If the bigs takes shot, there'll be less offensive rebounder. If the shot missed, The opponent gets their defensive rebound and the ball pocession ends. compared to a shot taken with maximum number of bigs go for the rebound and possible second chance opportunity .
Went to NBA Ref school. On the 1st day the instructor told us open books to Chapter 3. I asked how about Chapters 1&2 Traveling & Palming ?? He said don't worry about them. They won't be on the Test.
What if I dribble, step. Then while the ball is still "live" step gather then 1, 2. I do it sometimes on a hop step. I dribble take a step, still have the ball in one hand take a step forward and drag the ball with one hand (still live can dribble straight after this step) then as I land gather on one foot, step back land on 2 and shoot. So basically gather step, 1, 2 although an additional step before where the ball is still live
Eli he said “to him” so just let him live his own fantasy and have his own NBA rules. but as far as real NBA rules, its not a travel if done exactly how its explained in the video lol. let him think what he wants
@Ty Thomas Boxing Training no one's changing the rules. What used to be doesn't always have to be what IS. Something doesn't automatically become true because that's "how it used to be" or "how it's always been". If the only reason you wanna insist that these moves are travels is because you weren't seeing them before, then you're just delusional. These are innovations in footwork and scoring and you oldheads refuse to appreciate it because you haven't seen this type of stuff before. clowns lmao
Nick's 1'2 look fresh as hell....This vid was much cleaner than the step-thru vid. (Which i disagree w/) These are easy to see...Although, Harden still manipulates the gather and the play in an odd way. But as long as u 1-2 after the dribble & shoot, it's luv. Things get murky when guy do that move then try to pivot off the 1-2 & step thru IN ADDITION to the action that's already occurred. The game is just wild today.
hi coach nick awesome content in videos. first id like to say that i totally agree with you on your demonstration or how the gather is used especially in nba. i have a question i hope you can understand and either answer or make a video on a gather step scenario... my question is, does the gather step have to be on the ground or does it still count as a gather if receiving the ball mid air. let me break it down (1) receiving a pass in transition to a lay up, player is running has first step in contact with the ground (gather step) as he catches the ball continues on to step 1 and 2 lay up no problem lots of videos on that.. (2) receiving a pass in transition for lay up, player hops before receiving the ball catches ball mid air lands is that still a gather step continue on to step 1 and 2 shoot.? essentially landing taking 3 clear steps is this allowed cant seem to find a video or player doing this but definitely a possible option. i interpreted a gather step meant to be gather the ball on contact with the ground not catching a pass mid air. but my ref trainer says the rule is a player on the move is allowed a (0) step/gather step followed by steps 1 and 2. which would make both scenarios legal. confused please help!!!!
Fiba travel is when you lift and replace your pivot foot. So the 'gather' would be your pivot foot, 1st step would be moving your non-pivot, 2nd step would be lifting your pivot foot and replacing your pivot. Aka travel. American basketball must have some rule allowance for layups
@Tod Wilkinson any reference to a rule book? I like FIBA definition. Simple answer to simple question. You travel when you lift and replace your pivot foot. Doesn't require an essay to answer
If anyone can show me anywhere in the NBA rulebook where the term "gather step" is used, PLEEEEEEEASE do it. The gather step is just some post-hoc shit people came up with after the NBA decided to stop calling traveling. That's it.
And holy shit, what filayyy did at 4:00 was a travel and a half. You don't get to take wild steps just bc you're hanging the ball over your head on some extended dribble/non-dribble gather.
Rule 10, Section XIII-Traveling (NBA). A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing must release the ball to start his dribble before his second step..... more and more. google and you might find something sometimes.
Quote from NBA Rulebook. You're allowed 2 steps upon completion of a dribble, so if you dribble while pushing off of one foot it is not counted toward one of your 2 allowed steps. Conclusion: This occurrence is more commonly referred to as taking "two-and-a-halfsteps", where the half step is the "gather step".
Except you can take more than 1 gather step, apparently. Like sometimes harden will take 2 or 3 steps while gathering. The rule doesnt say how many gather steps you're allowed so maybe that's why.
“We’re here to stop all the debate about traveling and explain the gather step” Not even 4 mins later 3:15 😂😂💀 its good though this helps me understand it better
Who knows it’s by far the dumbest basketball term I’ve ever encountered. All it does is confuses people. The most important thing that people don’t emphasize is when the dribble ended (when was the ball picked up by two hands or when did it come to a stop)
Added to give these players another step to make the game easier for them. Instead of enforcing the rules they change the rules for these players that can't play fair.
The ref calls a travel on Nick at first, then changes his mind later. Even he doesn't know for sure what a gather step is. That's why people get upset. Can you hear me shaking my head?
Players are abusing this sooo hard. They keep the dribble "live" with one hand on the ball (or even under the ball since carrying and palming is not whistled) to allow them to make several steps without actually committing to an action. That's why the defenses seem so bad. It's not that the defenders became worse or that they don't try anymore. They just can't predict the offense since it has so many options due the dribble being "live" even when it's an obvious carry or palming. If they started calling carry the defenses would magically improve as the offense becomes more predictable.
Also have to consider the fact that NBA players have large hands and are able to control the ball and continue their dribble without getting called for a carry. Most people cannot keep their dribble live in a "fake" gather without carrying the ball. Also another question that I have is that you don't necessarily need to have two hands on the ball to gather.
I am getting so tired of specifically Harden haters saying everything he does is a travel. He maybe travels one out of twenty times he does a stepback or euro but he messes up the footwork once and everyone acts like that's the norm.
there is no 3 step rule. the only number in the rule book is 2. and the only steps that are counted are after the gather. you could have 10 gather steps if you stutter step before gathering, then take your 2 legal steps. so stop with the 3 step bs.
@@deeppatel7496 no, there is no 3 steps. The rules say 2 steps after the termination of a dribble. There can be multiple gather steps so your 3 step bs is just that. BS.
@@rshinn8776 lmao u missed my point Ik what gather steps are I just said we should just call it 3 steps because most people are to stupid to understand what a gather step is
I think they allowed the gather step for more rhythm, fluidity of movement and for the consistency of calls. If they would remove the gather step completely 90% players would be called travel. It just happens that some players are more creative and somehow finding ways exploiting that rule, not violating it.
They allowed it because now you have more guys with less fundamentals and the whistle would be blowing all game. That would result into less entertainment, lower scores, less tickets being sold, less television views, etc. In the grand scheme of it all, it comes down to MONEY!!!!!!!!
Video starts @ 1:37. Basically if you can do it quick enough or smooth enough then it counts. Gather step means while gathering the ball with one to both hands while doing that you can take a step that doesn’t count. If your slow or not that skilled don’t try this or it will be called a travel. It’s stupid this is allowed because your basically getting away with a travel or carrying.
The gather step is another fundamental change to the NBA that further separates generations before and after 2009. It makes it harder for us to compare players after 2009 to the greats before then. I miss the old "2 steps and dribble/pass/shoot/pivot" rule. Simpler times.
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@@bballbreakdown I started playing again this year at 38. I'm actually playing better than I ever did, due to YT tutorials! I only got to C Grade though :D Last time I played was in 2005. LOL!
dribble- step -catch - 2 steps. if your step lands while the ball is still on the way up it's legal. if you go dribble-catch-step- 2 steps that's travel.
the issue at 3.09 is that because he is going slow he carrys the ball with one hand before gathering it with two hands. In effect the carry is the the gather. I think ?
Ref Logan: If you have ONE HAND on the SIDE OF THE BALL, or bring down the off hand onto the ball, it is a gather. Coach Nick: So it's all about when you bring down that second hand. lol I love this video, precisely because it is kind of feeling out these very slight distinctions of when a ball is live and when it isn't. Devin's demonstration to that end was really the most helpful to me.