I braved ovarit (for the first time in my life) to see what the TERFs were saying about Cade. Apparently it's "powerful writing". A couple even described it as "refreshing" and "soothing". The ones who do criticise it take issue with her language, or *sometimes* the call to violence. Except one, whose big problem was ... that it was posted to her porn site, and linking *porn* to ovarit is a no-no. Quite a few pretend that we're misreading it. They say it's metaphorical and they don't *really* want us dead, nudge nudge wink wink. To which I can only ask whether the second amendment that she mentions is a metaphorical right to bear arms, or a right to bear metaphorical arms.
Oh, and some brush it off as nothing to do with them because she's "not a feminist". They don't disagree with anything she says, but she made porn, so they can dispose of her once she's served her purpose as a weapon against trans people. Because I guess that's how these "feminists" think women should be treated.
Just watch, when trans people, socialists, anarchists, and other groups she fears start buying up guns to defend themselves. She'll be advocating for gun control before you can blink.
@@heyborttheeditor1608 You realise that this is a completely unfalsifiable claim, right? That the TransesTM are making sock-puppet accounts to make TERFs look bad. What is there to stop me from saying 'oh, those tweets that say 'kill all TERFs?' Those were made by TERFs to discredit us', knowing you couldn't actually prove me wrong?
As a black trans man I often feel this weird dread in my chest and stomach. I am quite isolated and so it's sometimes tough. As such, your closing words really meant a lot to me. Your work and existence matters, and I hope working on this and listening to this hate and bile doesn't make you feel otherwise.
Though we may not know you personally, you have many cis allies. In our own ways, in our communities, we affirm the humanity and rights of transgender people You, like us all, are to be seen, heard, loved, and embraced by the arms of our diverse human family.
Please, please talk to someone you trust. Even an online therapist, if you're able. A family member you respect, a friend who's shown empathy, in the past, anyone. It can be really hard to "get over" these kind of anxious moments, but it helps to have anyone who you can relate to, to bring you back to "normalcy." When you're isolated, you're able to kind of worry yourself into a frenzy, and tend to forget the good things in your life, the things for which you feel grateful. Please talk to someone. 🙏🏻
The irony of someone whose first name is "Lily" and last name is "Cade" being a transphobe is incredible. If you threw a pillow into a group of random trans people it would hit 3 Lilys and 4 Kades on the way down.
That and like all the variations on eve like Evelyn, Evie, Evee, xD I actually had a customer call in like "hey I need to update the name on my account to evelyn" lol
Once in a conversation with a white femanist I was asked "why focus on race when we as women can work together to fight against patriarchy?" And I thought glumly to be accepted as "we as women" means I have to erase my black identity
Response should be “yeah, like the time all women, white and black, banded together to get the right to vote. How did that turn out again? And how about that second wave?” White feminists love to ignore certain parts of feminism history concerning WOC.
I almost fell down the TERF rabbit hole. They are very good at couching their message and sounding reasonable. That's how these types of groups get people - start with the small, sensible ideas most everyone can agree on and then slowly reveal their true, terrible ideology. And honestly, one of the biggest warning bells for me was their name, specifically the "exclusion" part; I don't think I've ever met people who were proud of excluding others, and were "the good sort". So yeah, I don't think it's a good idea to let them rebrand themselves as merely "gender critical" when only a few years ago they were so proud of being "trans exclusionary". They've just realized how the latter sounds and how it hurts their recruitment potential. If we stop calling them what they are, it'll only help them. And at they're core, they hate trans people far more than they care about women's rights.
That's why they've been trying to shed the original label for the general type of thought in favor of gender critical, going so far as to claim that "terf" is a slur.
Yeah, as someone who unknowingly dabbled into the alt-right pipeline years ago, you hit the nail on the head. In addition to sounding sensible, they try to portray anybody in their opposition as an irrational idiot too. What saved me was realizing that my friends and family IRL with social justice values were nothing like the strawmen that they were portraying. Ironically, Trump's nomination also snapped me out of it and pushed me left too. And yeah, I have yet to see this video at the moment probably because it hits a little close to home for me. Not as a trans person (cis asian male here), but as someone who feels shame for getting suckered into that pipeline awhile back.
@@kg356 Not when I first encountered it. For context - it was a post by a self proclaimed TERF, proudly defending her position and label as a TERF. In the way of social media, it led me to other, similar posts. All before I even knew what TERF was an acronym for.
Same here. They cherry pick questionable trans individuals and use them to smear all trans people. If you get stuck in an algorithm loop of terf content it would be easy to start to worry that trans people really are pr*dators, women abusers, and whatever else they allege. They’re essentially preying on cis women’s fears/experience with SA and abuse.
The irony of a porn star calling people who just wanna live their private lives in the body and with the gender identity they identify with "perverts" and "disgusting" and other similar things is the most tragically ironic thing I have ever heard and I just can't wrap my brain around it...
I find it interesting that Dave understands the problem with white feminists trying to leave out Sojourner Truth and other black feminists because of the “conflating” but he doesn’t seem to apply that logic to how he’s doing the same thing to black LGBTQ people. I personally think it doesn’t matter whether he knows he’s doing it or not because he’s doing it and it has consequences.
I have a hard time believing he doesn't know what he's doing because, for his whole career, he's been making white people laugh at their own cognitive dissonance regarding race, showing deep, nuanced insight into identity and prejudice. Now, after supposedly reflecting on what trans people have explained to him is harmful about his words, he doubles down? It feels like a personal aversion to something he finds distasteful, like the hierarchy of marginalization has been unfairly upset by a a bunch of uppity trans folks who won't wait their turn. Sorry for the long reply. I was a big fan of his, and everything about all of this is disappointing and scary.
Not trying to be mean, just trying to shed light on something that may seem remedial to you but difficult to us "normies". As a black man, race has no choice. No coming out. No pronouns. You're just, say, black and that's that. The thing I struggle with is the CHOICE. I think Dave sees the CHOICE to take on the burden of LGBTQ juxtaposed to race. Race, especially in America, you either figure it out from birth or perish. Dave used humor of white cognitive dissonance as a defense mechanism. Remember, Dave started out at like 14 as a comedian with his race jokes. He was still a child. Dave didn't get to "come out" at 30 and decide to be a comedian. It was thrust on him since birth. So yeah, in some ways he sees a certain form of privilege. Again just trying to provide a context.
@@kite-flying_potato I agree, an old friend of mine though tried explaining to me (from a black queer Muslim perspective) that some black Muslims (Dave is one) can be a little more overkill in the toxic masculinity/socially conservative sphere and his interpretation of Islam makes Dave feel like he’s right and that he’s being “martyred”. I’m a Mexican Catholic that’s queer so I get what he was trying to explain to an extent since machismo is a problem with Mexican men and they can be pretty queer-phobic as well. I’ve also heard the “queers are a white corruption” talk from some folks in both camps.
@@LembeckIsStaying being lgbtq isn’t a choice either dude. That seems to be a thing you, Dave and a lot of his stans seem to miss. It’s not 2014 anymore I thought it was already explained to death that gender and who you love aren’t choices. Did Dave choose to like women?
he thinks *he's* Sojourner Truth, speaking truth to the power of "Big LGBTQ," when he's really Susan B. Anthony telling trans people to sit down and wait their turn.
I've never personally needed a trigger warning. In general, I can separate myself from what I'm hearing. That.... Thing. That tirade 24 minutes in. I cried and shook violently in anger and rage. I'm not trans. Never have been. But how could anyone be so evil? How could anyone hate so terribly? I am so so so sorry you went through reading it. I can't even imagine how you must feel. Thank you for being so helpful in all of your videos, but especially this one. You're doing an amazing job.
@@JessieGender1 I tried to rewind and RU-vid glitched.. Had to hear the first few seconds of it, despite having already forced myself to read the damn thing That woman LOOKS dangerous.. Look at that face
I was listening to that tirade thinking "yep, this person sounds like a rapist". She clearly derives sadistic pleasure in the thought of hurting other people, while simultaneously blaming them and thinking that her victims are disgusting. It's appalling that anyone would give this woman a platform.
I'm a 42 year old he/him sis male, and it scares me too. Any marginalized people being oppressed should alarm us all. I'm sorry to all my trans comrades for the extra hate you have to deal with, on top of just the regular struggles we all face as humans. Solidarity, and love.
Quick correction, it's actually "cis", not "sis". It's... definitely much more restricted to science than the prefix trans- is, but cis- is actually the opposite prefix to trans-. Hence words like "cisgender" and "cis"
Same. I have someone dear to me who IS trans but it doesn't matter if you have that personal connection or not, oppression and marginalization profoundly impacts and weakens EVERYONE. It's not a zero sum game. Hurting some does not automatically better others.
Women's liberation is not possible without trans allies so we must be allies for trans liberation. "I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own."
@@ronaldnines3543 Except they aren't For real the way you anti-trans folks talk abut trans people are pretty similar to how anti-semites talk about Jews
"Trans allies" seems like a misnomer since so much TRA rhetoric is in direct conflict with feminism. I'm not sure if it's possible for people under the trans flag to be good allies for feminists.
I’m nonbinary, and while I’d argue that the transphobia I deal with is much more rooted in the idea that I’m a special little snowflake inventing new genders just so that I can yell at people for not acknowledging them, and I don’t necessarily feel like I would be physically threatened the way that trans women in particular are, the rising amount of transphobia is fucking terrifying to me. So terrifying that I’ve developed insomnia and keep a bag of non perishable essentials and cash in a cabinet in my basement so that if I’m outed to my parents, people I know to be extremely transphobic, I can leave my house as quickly as possible. Every once in a while, I have a moment of clarity in the middle of the night or something where I realize how truly fucked up it is to be experiencing this amount of fear, and I just cry for a long time. It’s probably awful to be thinking this, but one of the small pieces of satisfaction I get out of this nightmare is that if I weren’t actually nonbinary and if I really was just a cis girl trying to feel special, I’d just go back. I would lock all my gender feelings in a box and put that box somewhere that I’d never ever be able to find it ever again. Just grow out my hair, put on a dress and pretend that nothing ever happened. But since my egg’s cracked and I’ve started experimenting with my presentation in the privacy of my room where no one can see me, I’ve been happier than I’ve ever been in my life. Even when I leave my room and mumble some excuse about just being a butch lesbian, people have commented on how I’ve seemed much more cheerful and energetic, and more strangers have approached me to try and compliment me, make friends, or even flirt, that last one being especially wild to me. I love the person I’ve become who doesn’t give a fuck about the gender binary, and even as I’m being faced with the possibility of homelessness and I still don’t wanna go back. Ever. I can’t go back to who I was before this. And I know that once the inevitable nightmare that will be my official coming out blows over, I’ll be even happier.
I am a non-binary person who shoved down my feelings for decades and tried to present as the stereotypical picture of my birth assigned gender. It wasn’t easy (or frankly successful), because I *don’t* identify with my birth assigned gender. Just because I didn’t kill myself and found good things to keep me going doesn’t mean it was “better” for me. It took a great deal of disassociation to survive. If I had the language in childhood to understand who I was and greater acceptance of queerness in general, I might have come to terms a lot sooner.
I know there will be a day where the pain people cause you is behind you, and all there is left to face is the infinite joy of knowing and loving who you are
Hi jessie, as an italian queer person thank you so much for talking about how our lgbtq+ anti-discrimination law was killed because of transphobic motives. "Centrists" like to tell us we should have sucked it up and cut off "gender identity" just to pass the law (which also protects disabled folks and women from discrimination btw). But a law that protects from discrimination from homophobia and not from transphobia would have been a direct attack to the trans community, like you say in the video. It is a hard time for us in Italy, but we need to stay strong and fight alongside our trans sibilings
I'll tell you from American experience that appeasing the Right by excluding trans folks from civil rights, or settling for 'civil unions' etc doesn't mean the RIght ever stops being as anti-LGBT as possible about everything, ....their word's no good about any such appeasement deals. Never has been.
It's horrible that some people would prefer not protecting anyone over having to treat trans people as human. But I'm so glad that trans people weren't going to be left behind, even if it meant the bill failing. That's what we need in our community 💜.
@@cre-k8-ive Frankly, that's in general just the excuse. If you concede to these Christianists by excluding trans people, they *still* block civil rights for the rest of us every time. We've been through this for decades. Fool me once.....
I'll be honest... A lot of the "TERF" points made sense to me when I first started considering this issue. But then, I am viewing sex & gender with 50+ years of socialized preconceptions to overcome, trying to understand these issues as well as a cis/het/white dude can. Where I stand now is, even if I'm still learning to navigate this new landscape of gender identity, I do my best to approach the issue with humanity, compassion and empathy.
Not getting so deep into the trenches helps. Instead of debating the semantics and the “biology” debate (as if biology influences most policies) - seeing it as a rights issue helps. You don’t have to full heartedly agree about what constitutes a man or a woman, really. It’s all about rights - does someone have the right to transition. That’s how I see it, anyway.
not just POC trans people but also disabled trans people who are often ignored in public spaces. Its goes back to the amount of difference from the 'norm'. Straight, White, Middle/upper class, able-bodied, mentally stable, cis male. the more differences you have the more ignored and removed you tend to be. Thank you for talking about this but don't hurt yourself doing it. You are important.
Wait, there are people who AREN'T ignored in public spaces? I've gone 13 years from the age of 17 without ansoul speaking to me, I assumed it was normal and a consequence of cell phones
@@blaireofhylia1572 some people are ignored more. Taking my mother with physical disabilities shopping is always a nightmare of cashires and staff giving me answers after she askes them a question.
@PixieCat in my country a disabled person can't go for a walk without ending up more disabled. Trees in the middle of the road, random electricity poles etc. If someone is blind and tries to go for a walk they'll end up likely paralyzed as well. So in a way, society was built to exclude some people, the "non productive" ones
Newt came over cos he saw knew she was feeling sad, & he wanted to help. What a lil sweetie! (My cat does it, and if I'm behind a door, he'll go shout to everyone in the house with this tone like, "Help! She's sad and I can't open the door! I tried! HELP!!" Pets are so wonderful.
I live in the UK & shits getting bad here. I came out 11yrs ago & over the last few years the amount of abuse & even violence I've endured has risen sharply. I cannot overstate how unsafe I feel living here in England. Years of hate crimes have left me with agoraphobia & PTSD, those have led to depression & insomnia Over the last year I've had to have a couple of teeth repaired after one attack (It's not the first time I've had to have dental work from a transphobic attack). A few months before last Xmas I was assaulted & my right arm & shoulder got badly injured, then just as it was starting to heal another attack by a group of men made the injury not just come back but it made it much worse. As a result I was unable to even play guitar for about 6 months (guitar is my main way of coping with depression). Then I was assaulted by two men early this week & am currently limping from my knee being injured. I have many online trans friends from some of the safer states in America who have not experienced transphobia in public for multiple years where they live. This may surprise some but I know of a fair few trans people who are also considering moving to America, a growing number of us feel we'll be safer there than here (that does vary wildly depending on what state we look at though as Texas & England seem to be in competition to be the most transphobic). One thing I'm noticing is that the vast majority who speak about considering leaving this country are trans women or femme presenting non binary people as we're the ones our media targets daily. Yes I did say daily, not one day passes without at least one anti trans article being published in our papers (In the first 144 days of 2021 the Times paper printed 233 trans news pieces & the Times is no trans ally) I'm now seriously considering leaving the country of my birth in the hope of finding somewhere on this planet where I can live the last few decades of my life in peace, barely a day goes by without me thinking about leaving this country & not a day goes by without that though making me cry, I feel I have no home here in England anymore
England (As a Land) will always love you and be there, even when some People there won’t and will try and demonise you to death but if it makes you safer … go for it ! It’s unfair, You shouldn’t have to but if it makes you feel safer and loved, just do it ! 💙 I understand similarly how you feel (Ireland is even worse I believe) but I hope you find peace and happiness because this world can be shit but you don’t deserve it, no-one does but Life is just shit Sometimes. Everyday you walk on them streets being who you are is one of the bravest and strongest thing you could do but I’m proud of you 💙! It pisses me off because I’m not that intelligent although I’m young and thanks to Jessie They always makes me happy but most importantly educated because these days People are so passive aggressive/Manipulative and hide their hatred for Oppressed/marginalised groups to the point I’m honestly just confused and don’t stand up because I believe I’m not in the right or not fitting into society, it’s tough and scary but be safe and I fck love Jessie Gender, she’s perhaps the only who makes me hope for humanity and you ! 💙 Iv lost faith now and sometimes I just wish I stop living as a whole because society is just too messed up as I am, but I believe you can do so much better for yourself and better than me and them disgusting people who devalue you, find happiness for yourself if not for you for me.
This is honestly horrific. I would never thought that was happening in the uk. Please stay safe . Do you mind if I ask you how is the authority’s response to these attacks ?
@@juanitacanon3120 The response from the authorities is terrible. There was an incident during lockdown where a neighbour was making threats of violence & calling me a pervert & child molester. I had multiple witnesses, his name & address are known (He lives 3 houses away). For the first time in a decade the police said they had enough evidence to push for a conviction, the Crown Prosecution Service said there wasn't enough evidence & dropped the case. Even with witnesses testifying it's almost impossible to get the police to take action. Then earlier this year the PCC for Surrey (I think it was Surrey) made a statement against Stonewall's Diversity training program for employers as it is trans inclusive. For those not from the UK, a PCC described as: A police and crime commissioner is an elected official in England and Wales responsible for generally overseeing police forces. The following week either 7 or 8 PCC's for other police forces issued similar statements. Here is a link to their statements in full. www.conservativehome.com/localgovernment/2021/09/stonewall-controversy-more-views-from-conservative-police-and-crime-commissioners.html? My area is Avon & Somerset & the PCC for this area, this is part of his statement "I will be formally asking Avon and Somerset Police to consider their use of consultation and advisory services from Stonewall when their contract comes up for renewal this October. I will ask that they either work with Stonewall to change their policies to better reflect the public’s concern regarding the safety of women and girls or end their contract. I want to ensure that any advice taken by the police is inclusive and considerate to all those from communities with protected characteristics but also considers the public safety of women and girls.”" Note how he says that they need to " better reflect the public’s concern regarding the safety of women and girls". Why do we have this public concern you may ask, we have it because it's been whipped up by single issue hate groups such as the LGB Alliance who are given very regular space on our TV & in our newspaper to whip up "concern". Now that the concern has been created here the police for my area are allowing this artificially generated concern to guide policing policy. Here in Avon & Somerset there has already been a few cases of trans woman being sent to men's prisons & assaulted. There was a high profile case a few years ago of a trans woman being arrested as she damaged hospital property with a failed suicide attempt. She was misgendered, stripped of her bra & searched by a male officer, every few minutes officers would peer into her cell depriving her of privacy in her almost completely naked state. She was also pepper sprayed & had to wash it out with the water from the toilet as officers refused to give her water. I am honestly as afraid of the police as I am of groups of 4 or more men (most physical attacks have been from groups of 4 men or more) As you may have guessed from the length of my reply I am one of those scary trans activists the TERF's shout about but my activism is education. If you're on FB check out You might wanna learn more about trans people, I'm an admin there. Our aim is for trans people to lead conversations, we actually have a ban on cis people commenting for the first 2hrs of a post going up so trans & meta people get to be heard first. As hard as it is to share these experiences, thoughts & feelings someone needs to speak about the actual day to day reality of being a trans woman in England.
I know this is no real comfort but I promise you us cis allies do exist in the UK. Hang in there but if you feel safer emigrating I can't argue with that, but we will not rest until this TERF menace is off our island for good.
hang on I recognise this name.... honey, you are not alone. I don't know how near or far we may be physically, except for broad circling of this island chain we called home.. but I'm here for you. I have not personally faced the trials you have, and in many ways you are therefore senior to me in experience, but... If I can give even an ear to my sisters to bring comfort to them, without hesitation you have my ear.
The amount of fear that I as a trans man experience any time I use any type of bathroom is terrible. If I use the men's room, I am afraid of being outed and harassed. If I use the womens room (which i no longer do) I am harassed. There is no way for me to use the restrooms without fear. Growing up, my father called Trans women perverts and said he'd rather die than let them use the same bathroom as me. It disgusted me. The amount of fear that cis people claim to fear of trans people being predatory is nowhere near the intense anxiety felt by trans people every day just trying to live their lives
Not trying to hold you to an impossible standard, but the nuance...*tips hat* you're always so delicate and mindful with how you speak. ( I also totally relate to not seeming "angry enough" when trying to give people grace whilst trying to hold them accountable) Edit: Not me crying cause Newt is out here being comforting 🥺
I remember one woman using the term “Womanface” with me and tell me that trans women are “Putting on and taking off” womanhood like a mask... Queer education should be absolutely mandatory.
My brother is currently in this pipeline and is moving ever so slightly and covertly to the right. He's starting to adopt harmful rhetoric without the full knowledge of where it comes from. I think I'll share this video with him and give him insight from our side. He won't listen to me, but maybe he'll listen to you. He doesn't quite recognize how he's coming across and how it's hurting me. He's my last family ally, but his support is slipping away quickly as his views are warped by the gender critical community in which he's entangled himself.
I’m so sorry that the community has to face this much vitriol. It makes me sick to my stomach 😔 thank you for showing me that I need to be more vocal about my love and support for the trans community. Might not be able to do much about the bigots but at least I can love more fiercely. Hugs from Asia, Jessie. Thank you for your brave presentation. ❤️
@@quinndawsonosgood5261 I was under the impression that regular civilian use of body armor was federally prohibited. The reasoning being that if you wear body armor you're intentially putting yourself in a shooting and you shouldn't do that. Weirdly that does not apply to the guns themselves. I might be wrong about that though Edit: oh no it was a state law and i forgot which state so never mind and have a nice day.
Its so weird they call themselves "gender critical", as they seem to essesntialize womanhood to "bleeding babymaker". That doesnt sound like gender critical feminism to me, it sounds like bog-standard mysoginy. From a cis guy, and ally, to all my trans brothers and sisters, and non-binary siblings, i see you, and i love you. Take care of yourselves, and each other.
@Alice The phrase "gender critical" could easily, and more accurately, have been used by people (like Judith Butler, actually) who have been pointing out for decades that categorizations which claim to reflect "biological reality" are also social constructions.
@Alice Um how does that work? As a cis woman how on earth does acknowledging that the being a woman is more than just my vigina make it seem that I chose to be a woman???? Being Trans isn't a choice so why would Being cis be??? Also you claim that it's ableist because some disabled people can't figure out what theirs is??? As somebody who isn't neotyplical doesn't that mean any identity are ablelist because we have a harder time figure it out??? If they can't figure out their sexuallity does that mean being gay is ablelist????
But it's still at the end of the day reducing being a woman to nothing but your body parts. What your definition of "biological female"? Somebody with xx chromosomes? Somebody who has a V? Somebody who has periods? Because there are many women who don't fit into these categories trans or cis. Being a woman is more complicated than just that.
And at the end of the day it's just disrespectful , exclusionary and invaliding. Trans women (whether you like it or not) aren't harming you. And it's a lot more harmful to them for you to claim they aren't women then it is for them to claim to be women. Just look at the trans suicide rate or the amount of hate crimes. As clearly shown in the video the ideology of another minority group/ set of women being harmful to a real/superior group of (most of the time) women has been used throughout history and is not just harmful to those groups but also dragged back women's rights and only benefited cishet men.
The thing is that your not effected by anything trans people do. The fact we can be "critical" about is a privilege because while it's just an ideology for us it's their whole reality. You can just not think about being gender critical in your life. A trans person can never forget their trans it's their life! What do we gain by tearing other women down? We should work together to fight and takedown the systems that are oppressing all of us! Thanks for reading my explanation.
Haven’t finished the video yet and will edit this if you discuss it but one other fascinating aspect of Sojourner Truth’s life was this: she was a slave in the Hudson Valley in upstate New York, raised speaking Dutch. She was a fluent speaker of multiple languages, including standard American English, and her speech at the Seneca Falls convention was in standard American English. The form we are familiar with today, the form where the phrase “ain’t I a woman” originates, wasn’t published until 1863, when Frances Dana Gage rewrote it to be in what she considered a southern black dialect, but which was in actuality a minstrel show knock-off designed to make Northerners feel innocent of the original sin of slavery. Sojourner Truth was a slave in the North, and this bears repeating. According to the 1851 transcription, her first sentence was “May I say a few words? I want to say a few words about this matter.” According to Gage’s, though, it was “Well, chillen, whar dar’s so much racket dar must be som’ting out o’kilter.” You might notice some differences!
Straight cis black man here. Your vids have been insanely informative to me as of late in trying to find the right language to navigate some of the conversations I KNOW I’m going to have to have with my relatives this Thanksgiving. I’m very glad you have this platform to share these hard truths with everyone right now
Your intro (after you spoke about Sojourner, when addressing the content of the video and how hard it is for you) is so hard to hear. You shouldn’t have to feel so bad addressing important and necessary topics. I’m so sorry. I understand that need to constantly apologize for existing or bringing up something that affects my existence. You have my support. ❤️
I feel the same but also understand where she is coming from. A lot of transphobes like to paint us (us meaning trans people) as irrational beings that act solely on emotion and not "facts and logic", as highlighted by the attack helicopter "jokes" and the stereotype of the screeching SJW. I can't speak for or over Jessie on this but I can definitely confirm for myself and trans people I've been connecting with online that our (justified) anger at oppression and discrimination is constantly invalidated and used against us. So apologising for our emotions and overly explaining our reasons for why we are allowed to exist becomes second nature to some of us, and oftentimes is the only means of reaching those who are still somewhat willing to listen but who have already taken in some of those hateful stereotypes. In arguments with my family, for instance, written discussions about me being a trans man have an approximate ratio of 90% content that's me explaining myself and citing the WHO, Harvard and other reputable sources, and 10% being invalidated or sent links leading to articles about "the eco dictatorship aided by gender hubris". I stopped talking to certain family members after I realized this, but it's very easy to slip back into the habit.
@@Itri_Vega I do understand as well; not because I am trans (I’m a cis woman) but I do understand from other angles such as being Jewish, and having to weirdly justify my “non-Xtianity” to others. When you are part of the other, it’s so jarring how so much of our time is spent just….letting others know we are sorry for existing. I’m sorry for the hardship you and others have been through. It’s saddening, it’s frustrating, it’s exhausting. I hope things go well for you ❤️
I appreciate the over-apologizing. Why I love Jessie Gender is she seems to hate the culture war as much as I do. BTW, I consider myself a TERF sympathizer (for reasons). I personally despise both the right and the left in this polarized era. The most Bad Faith arguments are constantly platformed and promoted and the average person engages with it as if their own thoughtfulness cannot flesh out the issues- they become passionate parrots. The apology-preamble is a device used by intelligent people. It sets a tone for both the speaker and the listener(s). It says, "I've seriously considered the counter-arguments, in good faith, and with all due respect here is what I think." The problem with the culture warriors (both sides) is they all treat their own arguments as self-evident and all their opponents' arguments as easily dismiss-able...And if that were the case then why do their opponents' position continue to persist? Oh because ignorance and evil and power and money (...once again: both sides)
@@Peepeepoopoo386 but this seems like another trap we can fall into - in which because of our distaste for strident struggle in the public sphere- those who claim don't have a direct stake in the matter can declare 'both sides' to be crazy, when there might very well be established facts, an actual right/wrong (i.e. bigotry), as well as an huge imbalance in power and harmful effects. And where there is an institutional power clearly choosing sides as the BBC has done, in opposition to entire group of people who have very little power, this is where the 'both sides' centrism falls short. For example, those who were courageous enough to decry racism in my country and never minced words to appease the tender sensibilities of centrists...they weren't at fault. If people pick sides based purely on aesthetics, then it just seems like an excuse to do what they really wanted to do anyhow.
Well, that might sound hard, but I'm truly dancing in the brink between being a passable white male (as long as I don't interact, and goddess bless the masks) and dying inside, or being a non-cis, enby person in Bolsonaro's Brazil, and risking my life, but is great to know somewhere outside there's people who is in the same place, or close enough. Ty, girl.
Sending you love from another queer somewhere else in Brazil, my friend. It's terrifying, but we'll get through this. I know how tiresome it is to be misgendered (especially with this language that sadly has to Gender Every Single Goddamn Thing), but remember, your presentation doesn't matter. The people who care won't misgender you, and the rest isn't worth your time. Be careful, stay safe, and stay true to yourself.
Sending you love. I'm not in Brasil, but feeling trapped in a cis passing body but needing to for safety is something I can relate to. I hope you hold on because we need everyone of us. All the love to you.
@@drink_your_water Well, Portuguese is kinda tough, since EVERYTHING is gendered, even the words that are supposed to not be. And as you know, we do have the Pasquales' saying that is grammatically incorrect, and a made up language (as if the rest of the languages were Madonna's gifts bestowed upon humanity). And above all else, Christianity. Our goddamn preachers are disgustingly binarists.
Not only that Buffalo Bill was never diagnosed as transgender. They had other psychological issues that differentiated them from actually trans individuals and would have never been happy transitioned
@@theartistswings9810 Well, according to the cis characters who were written by a cis man in the 1980s, anyway. Because "most [transgender people] are passive." They never got a chance to find out if Buffalo Bill was actually right about zir gender, because they decided to deny zir gender affirmation services 6 different times (because ze literally applied 6 different times in canon... this is a very "cisgender" thing to do, as we all know). ... please ignore me, I'm just eternally salty about fictional horror characters.
As a cis person, I literally have no idea how hard trans and gender-non-conforming people have it. I have many non-cis friends but I don't think I'll ever be able to understand their struggles. Literally these people just want to exist. I think your videos offer an amazing perspective and I hope to gain knowledge on these issues from your discussions. Even though I am gay and deal with minor homophobia, it's not even close to how trans people are discriminated against for being themselves. Loved your video.
By Dave Chapelle saying he is "Team TERF" he did not realize how he was showing support a group that is tied to white supremacy. That the TERF's share a lot in common with the white suffragettes who alienated and attacked Black communities. Please take care of yourself, Jessie. This was a tough topic to talk about. 🖤
Dave doesn't care that TERFiness is linked to white supremacy. Like all transphobes, he's willing to shove a few people like himself under the bus in order to hurt the people he hates. Just like cishet white women TERFs don't care about how all their bathroom laws have caused more cis women to be dragged out of bathrooms with their pants off than trans women. They don't care about those cis women because it's not about caring about women, it's about hate. That's the depth of the hate. They would rather some harm come to their own community than let us live.
I think from his point of view it's the new wave of Trans inclusive feminists who are too White and ignoring Black issues as well. Maybe they too need to check their privilege. Also a lot of Black people are more conservative and transposition hence why Black Trans people suffer more in their own communities.
If you ever need lines like that recorded for you at short notice so you don't have to deal with the mental burden of reading them, I'm sure there are many of us who would volunteer as tribute! I know I'd be happy to...
I was uncomfortable hearing them, I can't imagine saying them. I might have just left them on the screen and said to hell with repeating it. I am quite sure that after, you were brushing your teeth for a solid hour, trying to get clean after. (I would have been anyway). That said. You have a community you can call on to help, Jessie. There are those among us who can also shoulder the various burdens with you. Being able to sleep at night by distribution of labor is a thing. Hugs and seriously, you get mad props for bringing this altogether and showing us what's going on. Especially in a pandemic.
When I was talking to my grandma earlier this year about why we need a gender recognition law in my home country, she immediately started spouting anti-sex work and anti-Semitic rhetoric very much in the same vein in which it was described here. My grandma is a member of the communist party and has been involved in helping support women and immigrant communities for decades, but she has no information about trans issues. Hearing these things coming out of her mouth broke my heart. That someone who loves you would tell you things that you know others use to prop up both fascism and your potential genocide is a chilling experience. Thank you for your work, Jessie. I wish my grandma spoke English, so I could show her this.
The USSR jailed gay people for "bourgeois decadence" so depending on what brand of Communist Party your grandmother is attached to, the antitrans rhetoric isn't all that surprising. Being a leftist sadly isn't always the same thing as being progressive, and if she's a part of one of the old school groups, you getting that response is sad, but not all that shocking. My grandmother, for her part, is a religious nut who only avoids ranting about the gays because she's too busy freaking out about how the Muslims are coming to get her. My relationship with her, as a godless heathen, has been deeply strained since at least high school. So I feel your comment.
@@LocutusBorgOf I've met more than one self-proclaimed socialist who thinks hating Jews for "having all the money" is good praxis. And the would-be Communists are worse. People are very good at making their prejudices fit their ideology.
Its unfortunate that many gender critical people won’t acknowledge women can be abusers and help women who have been abused other women. Imagine how much good they could do for actual victims instead of being hateful
I really doubt gender critical people are actually in their groups to do any actual "good". It seems that they only join other gender crits to be a part of a large-ish hate group. They seem to have a need to be a part of a group of bullies.
It's awful how their constant framing of men being "inherent dangers" to women makes it even harder to recognise or prosecute women predators or even male predators who don't assault women in the "male" way. It's one of the most obvious signs when protecting women isn't actually their aim
@@Sootielove and also, Proposing men as inherent dangers can often mean claiming people are all confined to predetermined "natures", An idea that original feminists stood _against_
im a asian trans man and this video really made me think more about intersectionality and yea its rlly eye opening for me personally about how these hateful groups operate. i hope you arent alone and neither is anyone else reading this im her with u all
Fun fact, in addition to the numerous accusations of sexual assault against her, Lily Kane also said that it's ok to sleep with children when it's legal where you are...But she wants to protect the children!!!
Btw it’s most likely that Sojourner Truth didn’t say “ain’t I a woman” - she was not from a place with that way of speaking. Black people were often misquoted and given a stereotypical southern black speech. She was from new York and had a different accent and probably used aren’t. Other parts of her speech was edited, too. Just an interesting tidbit. Nothing but love btw I’m sorry trans people have to go through so much bs. It’s crazy the terf pipeline and connection to the far right who are antithetical to women’s rights, but it also makes sense. If you’re for oppression of one group you align yourself with other oppressors whose group of choice may also include you. Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere kind of deal.
Sojourner Truth was actually a native Dutch speaker, she only learned English later in childhood and apparently spoke with a Dutch accent her entire life.
And it's easier for the oppressors if the oppressed don't work together. "First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me" - Martin Niemöller
Fascinating how the only way to actually get a nuanced understanding of the trans experience is to listen to trans people, isn't it? Who'd a thunk it. I have a feeling many of these terfs and LGB people have not spent a lot of time developing listening their skills.
Seriously, Sojourner Truth is an icon and a hero. I understand how this hurts woman everywhere, because racism hurts everyone as a system. It also pisses me off that women, in particular white women could have pushed the issue of equality and women's rights much earlier, but failed to understand how much both go hand in hand.
@@FreeTheDonbas here's what funny to me: she was alive over 100 years ago. We can't equate thought processes of that time to now. I don't know if she's a TERF, but her struggles were real. Her voice matters in history.
@@FreeTheDonbas again, we're also looking at the vantage point of what we know now versus what was taught and what the struggles were 100 years ago, especially people of color. I don't think she was thinking of biology, except with how it relates to her deserving a place with the Sufferegetes. These are similar issues, but not the same thing. Certain things I would agree regardless of time as people knowing better; I don't think this is the same thing as being a TERF. It could be as simple as there wasn't a term or an identity of what that even means at that time. Transgendered people still existed at that time, but I doubt it was even talked about and considered an open social issue at that time. That's my point. Sojourner Truth was still iconic and spoke out against oppression, for both her identity and for racial equality. Perhaps she was one, but again, that identity and term didn't even exist back then. Let's not demonize a person on what we don't know about them, hm?
@@FreeTheDonbas would you also say Plato for example was a flat earther in the modern sense because he didn't have the information available to him that proved the earth was round?
33:10 if they are asking for armed men to walk into women's spaces, they are not caring about cis women's safety either. It's only about endangering trans individuals with the side effect of also endangering cis women.
In regards to the first 10 minutes, one of the things that I've picked up from the clips from that special from your other videos is that he was trying to make a point that being black has more stigma attached to it than being trans or anything else (but especially trans). Oppression is not a competition and it's wrong across the board equally to discriminate against someone for their race, colour, religion, gender identity, sexuality, ability or anything. He's belittling our struggles because in his opinion they're not as bad as what historically black people had to go through. If he wanted to make a point about how poorly black people have been treated and continue to be treated in an alarming number of cases, he could have done that without bringing trans people into it.
This. I am tired of the oppression olympics, especially considering many marginalised groups can overlap. I am black, trans, queer and looking to get properly assessed for possible neurodivergence. My personal struggles often connect to several of these identity aspects at once so separating them and tucking them into boxes will not help me as a whole.
Though I would argue that anti-LGBT stigma actually seems to override racial things, given how badly LGBT people can be treated in their own families and communities, regardless. (A lot of the violence and hostility against queer folks of color is actully from other people of color, notably. ) And too often anti-trans stigma crops up even in the LGBT community. I think where the intersectionality can come in is that white privilege can dissuade a good chunk of the overt violence and hostility that queer people of color don't have that particular shield about. Of course, in the UK, the Right and the churches and other religious groups are fomenting the idea that LGBT people are a legitimate target even *for* people of color or immigrants, which feeds their xenophobic narrative just fine.
Dave may see being black as having more of a stigma than anything else but not all people, including some black people, see it that way. Shirley Chisholm, the first black woman elected to Congress, once said that she had more resistance to her being a woman than to her being black. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Chisholm
I tried to be fair to the man and actually watch his act before judging (I'm a New Zealander and hadn't even heard of him before the controversy). I couldn't do it. All his jokes seem to be mocking people for having feelings and caring about people. Ick.
Jessie, I wish I could just give you a big hug. Because you deserve it. I found you a couple months after I came out. I appreciate that you lift up black voices in your work. As a black transgirl myself, i went searching for someone like me that I could relate to, you helped fill that void by giving us the exposure we desperately need. I hope this finds you and fills you with at least a smile. You are valid and loved in this household. You are amazing. Keep up the Good work.
@@FreeTheDonbas i don't see any men here, including the one speaking to me, only a child, run along before your hurt yourself using too many big words, bigot.
@@FreeTheDonbas oh geez, youre one of those. Maybe go figure yourself out before trying to debate someone's gender. We know who we are, I think you need to do a little soul searching yourself. Noones stealing or erasing the cishets anytime soon, we have always been and may always will be a marginalized community. If you polygraph test any of us, i can guarantee you that we can pass it. Excuse our beauty, transphobe.
One thing I hadn't thought about so much before was where you noted the odd confusion of some left wing issues being intermingled with right wing ones in both the alt-right and terf groups. Having read several books on the rise of fascism in1930s(Specifically Mazower's books and Paxton's Anatomy of Fascism), I was reminded very much of both the analysis of historians, and the direct statements of Mussolini and Hitler about how Fascism deliberately absorbed certain elements of the left in order to fulfull its far right goals.
It also gives them cover, and by them, I mean both the people espousing these ideologies, and the ones who superficially criticize them while still agreeing with the aims and policies of the far right. A good example is how conservatives will blame Nazism on the left by pointing to the "socialist" in the party's name, ignoring the fact that the first people to be forcibly removed from the party were those with any socialist leanings, in the Night of Long Knives. It also ignores that authoritarian regimes and political ideologies will appropriate populist rhetoric (see the Democratic People's Republic of Korea) while doing the exact opposite in practice. Trump himself did this in his 2016 run, pretending to care about the working class and blue collar jobs. He even went so far as to hug a rainbow flag and promise to protect the LGBT community in his convention speech, just days after selecting Mike Pence as his running mate.
It's also a reality that there are plenty of bigots out there who have no issue with left-wing economic ideas, so long as they don't benefit black people, or gay people, or anyone they don't like. People who oppose free healthcare because the thought of a black person being helped by their money is horrifying to them, but would be cool with socialism for white folks. And regrettably there are parts of the left who look at those people and think "we should ally with them to get what we want economically, and worry about converting them on social issues later." When the reality is, you'll never, ever convert somebody who has gotten to that place. I remember when Richard Spencer said he was cool with free healthcare for "his people" and leftist spaces I hung out in were suddenly filled with brocialists insisting the rest of us were closeminded for not wanting to team up with him.
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 Wait, are you saying that north Korea is fascist? It's not. It's socialist, genuinely. In case you weren't aware, the US genocided north Korea in the 50s and to this day, is still technically at war with them. Take that into account when considering what you've been told about Korea.
I don't typically comment on videos these days - especially so sincere like this - and I doubt you'll ever see this but I just had to thank you for the ending of this video. As a trans person living in the UK it's been scary, I've felt that isolation an immeasurable amount. But the closing of this video was so genuinely healing and emotive for me. Thank you.
Can I just point out that LGB alliance reeks of rich or upper middle class karen energy? Anyway, love how diligent you are with your content. Take care of yourself, okay?
Recommended you on Wednesday to a girlfriend who just found out her younger child is in transition. Sort of concerned about her seeing this and freaking out about her (new?) daughter's safety. But she already realized there would be challenges, is very supportive, and protective as a mama bear. Edited to add: this was, however, an absolutely amazing essay.
It sure is a lot to take in for a parent to a newly-out child! But I think it's better for her to familiarize herself with TERF ideology from a critical trans perspective than by encountering TERFs in the wild.
@@rwolfheart6580 Agreed! And it's so important to be exposed to it in a way that explains it is wrong. Some parents can get stressed about it and fall down a transphobic rabbit-hole online that started as trying to genuinely do research to learn. And knowing the possible dangers for their kids can help them empathize and support their kid through their experiences in a way an uneducated parent couldn't.
That BBC article about trans women coercing lesbians into sleeping with them made me beyond angry. I don't usually put in complaints about that kind of stuff, just because (call me cynical) I don't think it'll make much of a difference. But I made an exception for this one. All I got back from them was some lukewarm PR response about their "commitment to impartially" (which is laughable at this point) and they even kind of acknowledged that the survey they used as the basis for the article was heavily biased, but clearly that didn't stop them from publishing the article. The British media is honestly so exhausting at this point. What's worse is that there are so many people in this country, many of them cis lesbians and feminists, who unequivocally support trans rights, but because of how our media works, they never get a voice. Most of our journalists and editors are middle- to upper-middle class white cishet people who all come from the same private schools and all know each other, so not only are dissenting viewpoints from the mainstream rare, but they are heavily discouraged by peer pressure basically. Jessie, I don't know if you've read the book "The Transgender Issue" by Shon Faye, but I would highly recommend it. Faye is a trans woman and activist/journalist and the book is a pretty in-depth look at the representation of trans people in the British media and generally the state of trans rights in this country, both historically and now (it touches a little on US politics, but it's predominantly British-centric). It's also unapologetically leftist lol. I just finished reading it and even as a trans Brit, I learned a lot. I have a feeling it would be right up your alley :).
The LGB Alliance is severely pathetic. Their 'survey' 'proving that trans people are predatory' didnt even have a 100 people. Only 80, and the people in that survey likely came from their facebook page. It was so utterly pathetic. You would think the LGB Alliance with their large influence could come up with larger sample size to represent millions of people. Even the tiniest minimum for a survey is at least 100 people, and they couldn't even come up with that.
@@jon66097 I think the survey was technically conducted by GetTheLOut (could be wrong on that) but honestly those organisations are so similar there's no meaningful difference between them. They're all just a bunch of overzealous bigots with too much time on their hands. Seriously, at this point I think TERFs spend more time thinking about trans people than we do.
The silver lining however, is that it prompted a large number of cis women to stand up for trans women and get #CisWithTheT trending on twitter. Hopefully this only means more vocal support for trans women will he seen
Morgan Page ran a workshop in Toronto for Planned Parenthood called ‘Overcoming the cotton ceiling’:Breaking Down Sexual Barriers for Queer Trans Women", the 'barriers' in question being lesbians' sexual boundaries. Participants will "strategize ways to overcome them" The BBC received over 5000 emails thanking them for covering this problem lesbians have been facing for years. Why are you so angry that it is being covered? You haven’t been adversely affected, you are not a lesbian, and neither is any male, no matter how they dress.
As a cis lesbian. I love all of my trans sisters, particularly trans lesbians. I am so, so sorry that vitriolic people are fighting to "protect the rights" of people like me. I'm gonna keep standing with you and protecting you wherever/whenever I can.
Love to you Jessie. I'm sorry that making this video was so harmful to you. This L stands firmly with the T. For those LGB people watching, one of the things we can do, when we have the strength, is challenge these awful viewpoints where we see them. The burden of fighting transphobia shouldn't be all on trans people. Trans people have been fighting alongside us all along, we need to fight with them.
Thank you, Jessie, from the bottom of my black, shrivelled heart, for making this very thorough, outstandingly well researched and well argued video on a topic that had me really angry and depressed these last few days. Thank you for doing these massive amounts of emotional labour for the sake of keeping your audience informed on these issues. Big virtual hugs to you in fact, big virtual hugs to any trans person who had Lily Cade's hateful sh*t on her/his/their timeline I need a fricking drink, people!
Yikes. Never has a transphobia trigger warning been more serious. Those quotes were absolutely horrific. I hope you’re taking good care of yourself after this one, Jesse. I’m so sorry you even had to make it.
I'm a trans guy in the uk, my mum is pretty much a terf but I think it's down to miss information because of our media so thank you for talking about the BBC and uk situation, it's getting really scary here to be honest. Just thanks for your channel in general, you're great ❤
Julia Serano has written many articles on Medium that debunk a lot of GC myths and lies, with links to studies and research. It might be worth showing to your mom if you think it's safe. Value your safety first. Lots of love from a closeted nb in France.
A lot of the western media seems to think that two sides yelling means you have to report them equally...even when one side is just yelling for their right to exist
it's just crazy that people in the LGBTQ community can disown one of the fundamental groups in it! as a bi woman, trans people being disowned by the larger community and put down literally is a gateway to all LBGTQ rights being restricted. same thing with like cishet women! how can you put down and hurt other women when it comes back to hurt you in the end? it's just sad. why can't we stand together? we're so much stronger that way.
Jessie, i want you to know, as a gay man myself, i feel it's just wrong that there are people in the LGBTQ+ community that don't want to recognize Trans as part of the LGBTQ+....it's not right....i am saddened by this.....i just see the hatred that closed minded people have....and the saddest part, they don't see that hate is hate....no matter who it comes from, no matter who it goes toward, and no matter why it's being given....hate is hate....racism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-semitism, anti-muslim.....hate is hate....and all hate does one thing....it's like a worm that slowly eats away at the heart and soul of the person who is giving the hate....the opinions of the people whose articles you read is just disgusting....i've always said opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one and they all stink!....i'm sorry that Trans people are now the biggest target of hatred (political, religious and otherwise).....Jews and Japanese went through it in the 40's, Black Americans went through this in the 60's, Gays and Lesbians went through it 70's and 80's,, etcl. etc......it's aweful, it sickens me to know that there is so much hatred in this world....it makes me not like humans, i love animals more....at least when a lion kills a zebra, the lion is not doing it because she hates the zebra, no, it's for survival.....humans do it out of hate....just sick.....well i may not be able to truely understand everything about the transgender people, but i do understand the want, desire, and need to live the way you want to live, love who you want to love, and the pursuite of happiness...i want to send all my Transgender and LGBTQ+ brothers, sisters, and others big spiritual hugs....because this world sucks....it seems corney or cliche the attitude that hippies had in the 60's, but they knew the truth....this world needs more love, hugs and understanding.....the only nemisis of hatred is LOVE....so, Jesise, my dear sister in the LGBTQ+, i give you big hugs......one day,....we will succeed in defeating hatred.....Rosa Parks is a great example....like her, we need to say NO! I will not give up my seat just because of what I am....In the words of The War Doctor, (The Great, Late, John Hurt,).....NO MORE!
Do you wanna know why? It's because we just want to live normal lives. Allying with TRAs just means we get dragged down once the people finally say they've had enough of them. Adding onto this we've experienced more homophobia from Trans Activists than we have from the general populace.
@@fenrisvermundr2516 Have fun being transphobic, I guess. I'm not even gonna waste my time arguing with you considering I literally just want to live my life being who I want to be, but sure. Whatever.
@@fenrisvermundr2516 What nonsense, I've never experienced homophobia from a trans person in my life, I can't say that about random straight people on the street even.
I was actually watching a video from a channel called critical comedy, and it was very telling that they kept on going back to that one image of the overway blue-haired individual not laughing at Dave Chappelle's jokes. I believe contrapoints calls that Memeafication
I have been so horrified ever since I heard about that Cade woman and the accusations she admitted were true. Then to see that manifesto of hers… I have no words. This is truly, truly insane.
I'm Italian and I really appreciate that you mentioned what's going with LGBTQ+ rights here and how TERF ideology was used as an excuse not to pass a law that protected our community. It's really nice to see that people abroad are calling out the situation.
I admit decades of ignorance about trans issues, but in recent years people like you have really been educated me and overcome what I realise now were prejudices. Things may be frightening, but you, along with others, are lights in the darkness.
I’m a mom of a trans son (he’s 15 and has been out as a trans male for 3 years). I really appreciate the work you do. I found the stuff you were having to read through difficult to hear and I’m a cis-middle aged woman. Thank you for your work and efforts to educate people. What’s amazing (in a bad way) is that ground zero of the anti-trans movement in the UK seemed to come from a parenting board. I do have a quick question though, what is the account name of Noah from TikTok who did a video serious on this radicalization pipeline? Thanks!
@@FreeTheDonbas I’m actually online when this showed up in my notifications. Actually he wouldn’t have been considered a tomboy in the standards of femininity/masculinity that we had back in my day/your day. He still likes some “feminine” stuff, he feels male and has been showing us signs of that since early childhood. His interests aren’t binary according to gender roles that society pushes on us , but go on, please pretend you know my child and *His* experiences better than me, his parent, or my child.
@@FreeTheDonbas anyone who knows anything about polygraphs know that they literally just don't work. You don't care about science, you just hate trans people at least be honest with yourself.
It is terrifying that the Overton window has been pulled to this level of discourse. The fact that this kind of vitriol can be spewed without immediate consequences shows how far off the rails we've gone. I'm not a trans woman, but I am trans, and my level of concern for trans women everywhere is way higher than normal (which is saying something). Stay safe, sisters and sibs.
Jeez, I just had to stop mid-video, thanks to the reading of Cade's comments. I can't imagine what this must feel like if it's about one-self, but I sincerely hope you and everyone in your audience is okay. Take care, take time to make sure you're okay, and all the compassion in the world to everyone who needs it. You're amazing, wonderful and so, so deserving of love, whoever you are reading this.
For me it felt like a glimpse behind the mask of people who try to veil their hate for trans people with fancy terms such as "rapid onset gender dysphoria" or who pretend to be concerned about children. The moment in a horror movie where the hostile creature shows its true face.
@@Itri_Vega Yes, thank you, that's putting it way more eloquently than I was able to even in my own head. Though, the reality of it makes it so much worse, I'm really shaken, even though in concept it's not news to me. Right there with you.
I’ve said this before, trans women or men, your valid. Don’t let hatred and ignorance affect you. You’re loved. I hope this can help one person here. Suicide is never the answer. Love y’all 💕
I've had some rough 2 weeks mentally, but what managed to drag me out of a weird headspace was antifascist music. I can't explain it, my issues weren't related to fascism. But knowing that antifascism and antifascist (including anti terf) creators and artists and people who are opposing this extremist view of the world, exist - that brings me an incredible amount of joy and hope, and I want to do my best to support purpose. Thank you for your efforts. It's incredibly hard to go into these topical spaces and stay in a good headspace and get yourself out of it as well. I deeply apprecciate your work.
@@mkra7769 for me it's mostly german Songs, I tend to blend out the meaning of English vocals so I opt for my mother tongue. I recommend looking into punk rock and sub categories of hiphop/rap. If you'd like german specifics: "Schrei Nach Liebe" by Die Ärzte is a loud angry and fantastic song and cult classic about nazis/fascists putting up walls of bias and racism to hide their vulnerabilities. Also the refrain calls the nazis "asshole" so if you'd like something that feels like you're punching a nazi this is your go to. I also recommend "Schunder-Song" by the same band which is very much about the vocalist describing a scenario of confronting his long-term bully and his act of physical revenge (punch the dude into the face over and over again). Obviously not a civil solution in reality but weirdly therapeutic to scream along with ;) The third I've been obsessed with recently is by Danger Dan "das ist alles von der Kunstfreiheit gedeckt". It's more a casual piano piece, but it talks about how the artist can easily call major fascist publishers or politicians "anti semitic", "nationalsocialist" etc without any repercussions because of his right and freedom to artistic expression. So if they decide to sue them for slander he's just gonna pop open a bottle of sect and know that all his lyrics are covered by law. Its a celebration of democracy and victory over right wing actors who pretend they are nor the fascists that they are. Last verse goes into neither trusting the police nor the secret service, due to their involvement with fascist terrorism/racism. Also contains "fascists don't stop being fascists, one does not humor them by debating them, as history has shown them." You might have to search a little for artists or specific songs you enjoy but the hunt is rewarding. I'm still building my own playlist with these songs. ☆
I’m not transgender. I’m a cis lesbian so I can’t ever fully understand trans pain. But to see so many lesbians vilify and hurt trans people in ways so similar to what they surely went through and still go through. I just can’t understand how someone could hurt a fellow queer person in the same way they’ve been hurt so badly
Well, a lot of them *aren't* who they claim to be, for one thing. For some, what it is is their own pain and fear and sometimes trauma have been turned by ideology to scapegoating. It's how they get so attached to the idea that transwomen are or will make them vulnerable to 'rapist men' and that seems to lead to the idea that transness must be destroyed, among other boundary issues. That sort of 'feminist' has a track record of attacking easier targets that don't quite fit their ideals rather than ever dare go after the real problems. I don't know how old you are, but this type seemed to spend more time trying to get riotgrrrls to fit in with their dour and sometimes insane plans, (like wanting us to go after shoe stores for selling high heels no one was even wearing, ) ..or wanting us to join in attacking independent record stores over one album or another, even if it was the only place selling *our* music. BAck in the 80's and 90s, that wave of 'feminist' seemed most obsessed with trying to keep refighting the 'last 'war' even if we'd kinda won on those fronts. They wouldn't dare go for the wall to wall sexism of major chains, with *nothing* but corporate music..... Basically they seem to feel like they become powerful by allying with the Christian Right if it allows them to hurt someone even more vulnerable. Even at their own expense. This is how fascism gets people, even when they can't admit what they've become.
@@OllamhDrab I am opposed to redefining woman to mean anyone who identifies as such, which is circular, has no basis in material reality and renders the word meaningless. I assume this makes me gender critical. Please, explain to me how that makes me a fascist. I don’t remember people being branded bigots or fascists for not validating Rachel Dolezal’s racial identity.
@@gaviota-sibila1093 Trans people aren't just 'anyone who identifies as such, ' which makes that whole dismissive line about other people's lives a straw man. Nor is it 'redefining' anything simply because you want to define people in a specific way in order to *exclude* trans people from life and society. Christianists and other Righties treat trans and intersex people as if they just up and decide to 'identify like something' today and that is also a fallacy meant to somehow justify denial of civil rights and human dignity to people who don't happen to fit your patriarchal notions of 'anatomy at birth is destiny, ...unless of course someone's inconveniently ambiguous that way, too.'
Haven’t seen the whole thing yet but my goodness do I love Judith Butler being the awesome older feminist that she is. I loved her article where she went into the overlap of terfs and fascists and I think she even quipped that terfs are shooting them selves in the foot with this collaboration
@@katerkate exactly. An acquaintance used the term Non-inclusive (white) feminist (NIF) once and I quite like it. (Personally I like using their own words on them since they don’t like it). But yeah they’re not actually feminists since they exclude people feminism is ultimately for the advancement of all genders
@@miglek9613 i like this one. I like this one a lot. I am going to let this marinate in my brain a little. Chuckle a few times. And then probably come back to tell you that I like this again.
Thank you for this video even if it's very difficult. I'm in the UK and it's been a rough few weeks (I've taken social media breaks because of it). I haven't finished the video but the John Lewis advert controversy shows you just how paranoid many GCs end up being. The fact that the BBC platformed them under "all voices matter" was frankly painful.
A Noah plug! Love it. Jessie, I was never actively transphobic but wasn’t pro trans and also wouldn’t ever educate myself on these issues. I’m still learning and have many gaps to learn but I can definitely understand what it feels like to not feel like you belong as a brown person. And no one should feel that way, period. Keep up the content and I appreciate the way you don’t attack people but just state facts and your feelings. You never go low and insult people, you only judge them on their merit. As we all should.
Broader empathy is always the right choice, really glad to hear you’re understanding of this struggle. Racism is monstrous, transphobia is monstrous, we should all be working together to end all this shit 😞🧡
@@heyborttheeditor1608 Intersex people also exist in the natural world. Not here to tell you what to think or that you can't voice your opinion, but that phrase bothered me.
I always find it a bit weird when bigots focus themselves in on Trans biology/Gay sex. They come off as more perverted than the people they are calling ‘perverted’. Is there something you want to tell the class?
Once again, I must applaud you for tackling such a hard subject with nuance and far more patience than most. And while some TERFs may not identify as right wing or alt-right, I do hope they'll eventually step back and ask why do they frequently find themselves in agreement with alt-right and anti-LGBTQ groups.
That's actually what stopped me from becoming a TERF. Years ago, I truly believed trans people were trying to make everyone trans and if you didn't have sex with a trans person, you were labelled a bigot. When I complained about this, I noticed the people who agreed with me also hated on feminists, people of colour, gay people...so I started questioning whether my fears around trans people were even true. Then RU-vid recommend some Contrapoints and Kat Blaque videos and they addressed every concern I had (most of my assumptions were based on pure lies!) I'm still learning and trying to be a better ally. The TERF shit I'm seeing now though, is so far removed from what I used to think....it's actually scary that could have been me had I not listened to actual trans people. That's also why people like Blaire White are so dangerous.
@@ANGEL_BOB_YT A lot of "Terfs" lie about who they even are, when online, mind you. One of their biggest tactics is to pretend to be in one group or another in order to sow division and disinformation, just like the Right's troll farms and other trolls. While they may claim to be 'far left,' their political activities in general always benefit the Right.
They have already thought about it, though, and sided with right-wing viewpoints and general bigotry. Their thoughts are that if there is a group that allows them to keep their viewpoints, then they will agree with what that group says. It also helps that many transphobic talking points are memes from lesbophobic talking points which are themselves memes from misogynistic talking points, so it’s not like the need to dig so far, but if they feel like it they will. An example is not accepting a trans woman as a woman because they think trans woman means female->male. It dovetails quite nicely into how men themselves can’t pursue womanly hobbies which itself is the counterpart to “women should stay in the kitchen” rhetoric. It’s contradictory, but the point is that there is only one correct way which contracts and expands depending on if they want to be particularly nasty to trans people or create more transphobes. While there are plenty of people falling into that hole that could be saved, and even people who are deep in that hole who can be convinced to change their views, in general they know their views and will be unwilling to change them and ally with other bigots because they too allow them to express their spiteful bigoted beliefs which naturally connect with other spiteful bigoted beliefs. It’s like conspiracy theories believing all the conspiracy theories but with bigotry.
If Jessie feels like she needs to do something similar again maybe asking a cis person to read the _really_ tansphobic quotes would make sense. Obviously no decent person is going to feel comfortable reading that but I'm pretty sure it easier to do it and put it out of your mind if you'd don't have the same skin in the game. Obviously asking someone else to do that is something it's hard to do but there's definately a utilitarian - it'll cause less harm overall - argument to be made in favour of asking a cis person to do it.
Jessie, I am so sorry you had to read that awful stuff. The strength it takes not only to be a trans woman on the internet but also to be one who faces violent TERF rhetoric head-on is staggering, but also horrible that you have to carry this burden. You're a marvel, but as grateful as I am to you for bringing these very important issues to light, in a perfect world, no one but you would ever have to know the level of pain you can bear. Thank you for being on this site and doing this hard work for the community. You are important, beautiful, smart, and worthy of all good things in the world. Don't let the bastards grind you down! Lots of love ❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🖤
Anyone who calls for the lynching of any group of people is not someone who should be listened to. Like, at all. Escalation of violence in the political sphere is never going to make anything better and never has. Anyone who doesn't believe that can go study history.
Us as trans people are constantly under attack from everyone and even people who are marginalized even attack us even more I wish we can live in a world where we can live peacefully with everyone else
No you don’t. Because then you wouldn’t get to be a victim anymore. It’s not something that’s happening to you, it’s the path you’ve chosen. Nobody is forcing your hand. But nice try 😂
@@bigl9478 If it never happened we wiudknt be talkin about it wouldnt we, if you think being trans is a choice you're just wilfully ignorant at that point
I appreciate your voice Jesse - I am trying to learn to be a better ally and your nuanced view/essays really help me through this. I firmly believe that tribalism, and dehumanizing those "on the other side" is ultimately not the way I can make a difference. Yes, it's messy. No, it's not easy. But I think it's the way LASTING change takes root in the minds of society.
Oh no, HARD disagree on that one. Jessie's a sweetheart, she really is, but she is WAY too soft on TERFs. I don't make that mistake. TERFs are inhuman slime who should be excised from society like a cancer.
@@GODOFHELLFIRE3 That's always a conundrum in these types of identity issues, isn't it? Looking back at the 50's-60's civil rights movement of America, we must acknowledge both Martin Luther King Jr's nonviolent resistance, AND Malcolm X's more extreme calls for violence for bringing the country closer to racial justice and equality (though obviously there's still much more ground to cover). I think we're also going through similar movements in the gender identity sphere now, so while I do think we disagree strongly on the how, only history will be able to say if either one of us was more "right" than the other. In the meantime, I still appreciate a softer, more nuanced voice as I seek more understanding, and I certainly will continue to seek other sources on this journey as well. That said, I like hearing multiple voices on a given topic, so if you had any personal suggestions for sources who are much more TERF-critical, than I would be happy to check them out.
@@celestemcduff every social battle seems to rely on a range and diversity of tactics - having the calm reasonable voices to negotiate, backed up by the threat of force to keep your opponents at the table in (relatively) good faith, tends to lead to better results than going 100% on one or the other. A single tactic can be ignored. Then again, even MLK was murdered/assassinated for speaking up.
I just want to note: "I disavow" is an alt-right dogwhistle. It just means "I agree, but wink wink, nudge nudge, amirite fellow fashies?" It's especially popular with racist groups & politicians.
I'm on the disability pension, which means I am about as poor as you'd think, but videos like this are why I am completely comfortable using some of my limited funds to support you and your work. Plz use those sweet Patreon bucks to keep yourself nourished.
Thank you for the "how we fear together" bit at the end. I'm not trans, but I am a part of the lgbtq community and two of my closest friends are transgender. We're in college and I often find myself worrying about them as we live in a conservative and right-wing state (Kentucky) and so our state legislation is really lacking in protection for them. The "how we fear together" part has helped a little bit with the sense of dread I've been feeling in the pit of my stomach. I really hope you're doing okay, I know you've been getting a lot of heat recently and I'm sure researching these videos is really hard. I couldn't even finish listening to the reading of that one woman's tweet, so I can't imagine how you must be feeling. I'm so sorry that people have been commenting similar things under your videos. Thank you for your work and I'm sending tons of love your way.
I just want to say that, if the trans and non-binary community ever needs me, I will stand with you and try my best to help. The TURFs and bigots do not speak for sis people, we want you to be happy and free from this violence.
this was a hard video to make and it shows, im really sorry about all this exhausting work, it weighted a lot it my chest. trans solidarity forever, we will keep on the fight. it really makes me happy to see you smile at the end of the video. feminism will be with our trans sisters, brothers, siblings and others or it wont be.
The amount of emotional labor and strength of character you show tackling these issues always astonishes me. Thank you again. Also, the Newt cameo and Power Rangers patron song was a welcome salve after so heavy a video...
Its good that many of our cis sisters get it. As Sojourner Truth pointed out, this is for all of us. If I could, I'd make the argument, its all of us or none of us. Thank you for being a sister in the truest sense of the term.
Thank you. I say this not as a trans woman but as a gay man. This sort of hideous stuff scares and disgusts me. Haven't we learned anything? These sort of people don't just come for gays or trans or whoever they say they hate. They hate us all. And they don't just come for some, they come for all. We stand up for all of us or we wait for them to come for us all. And I can see that it seems like a self-centered sort of thing but: today they come for the transmen and transwomen; tomorrow they come for the lesbians and the gays. Anyone who thinks that reactionaries are their friends and are only coming to "destroy" trans people or deviants or whatever and will leave them be afterward are fools.
I am just an Ally, but I stand and always stand with all my Trans family. I will be a safe place that anyone can come to and feel loved. You are all so loved, and it breaks my heart to see so much hate and so much hurt. Please know that there are more of us that care about all of the LGBTQ+ that are out to do it harm, it may not seem that way, but we are here. Even or especially those of us that are of people of faith. You are loved, and I will always do my part.
Seriously, I've been waiting a long time for the 'good Christians' to actually face down those fascists representing you instead of telling us LGBT people we should think better of your religion.
@@OllamhDrab There are a few of us out here unfortunately so many are afraid to stand up because of Being ostracized, I’m not saying that you should change your opinion I just hope that more people like myself become more visible that’s all I can help for I’m not asking you to take it on face value
@@sephirothii13 Frankly, playng along with them now doesn't mean they won't find another reason to 'ostracize' you later, especially as they get the power to do it to more than out-groups and minorities, the Christianist coalition will demand you conform ever more and/or kick you out anyway, so you guys may as well stand up *yesterday* while popular opinion's still on our side.
@@OllamhDrab No no I completely agree with you I’ve left to church years ago decades ago because of their racism and their homophobic nature I wished other people could do the same thing but sadly it’s a one person at a time discussing this with one person at a time there are different denominations of Christian faith that are very excepting there are preachers on TikTok priests on TikTok that are all inclusive and back up there information with actual biblical information it’s just hard to penetrate when we’re so underfunded and fighting people with mega churches
@@sephirothii13 Well, too often, lip-service directed at *us* just seems like image therapy for Christianity, instead of standing up against the Christofascists as forcibly as they attack everyone else and our civilization itself. As a Pagan, there are a lot of ways in which it wouldn't be appropriate or meaningful to intrude on Christian internal affairs, but I guarantee it's a constant of history that once they feel free to oppress others, they will also be purging any dissent or disagreement within.
I love that Star Trek is your way to recover. Draw yourself a bath hun. That was a lot to get through. Here's hoping you don't need to cover topics like this in the future.
I am sickened and ashamed at the BBCs craven behaviour in this mess. I feel this article is them finally, truly, nailing their colours to the mast, openly declaring their deliberate bias, even while they simultaneously hide behind simpering words about their supposed 'impartiality'. I'm one of the many who signed the open letter, so I know there are many out there who feel the same way I do, but thank you Jessie for talking about the many voices and creators out there who also feel this way and talk about it so articulately and passionately. I'm especially grateful for you throwing a light on the British creators such as @katy Montgomerie who, quite frankly deserves 10 times the audience she has.
I can’t imagine the emotional labor it takes to go right into those spaces where transphobia is accepted and expressed with free rein. I hope that you have a strong network of people-friends, family, found family-who love you and support you, and who will keep you safe. You absolutely deserve it, as does anybody else, but I hope for that for you especially. I always look forward to your well-researched and insightful videos 🥰💖
We need to stop using the term gender critical. It makes it seem like these people have a carefully thought-out critique about gender and not a fundamentally irrational and hateful one.
As sad and angry all this makes me, I have to admit a small spark of joy and hope I feel scrolling through your comment section. There is so much love and support there, as well as people talking about how your content has been critical in the education of allies and the validation of those exploring their own identities. You are amazing and you are changing a small but impossibly important corner of the world. So much love to you and every trans person living under this unbearable weight. If there is anything we allies can do to shoulder some of that weight, never feel ashamed to ask.
Early comment here, I noticed that really nice background on the computer, it adds an extra layer to discussion and also looks calming and serene, and the colours being that of the trans flag is a nice if extremely obvious touch
The screed by that predatory pornographer is so blatantly unhinged, such a geyser of the seething pain she's clearly drowning in, she comes off as a deeply tragic monster. I feel about her, to invoke a widely known piece of fiction, how I felt about Azula at the culmination of her Last Air Bender arc: like I want to see her locked away where she can't do any more harm and at the same time hug her and cry in mourning for the experiences she must have endured to end up where she is.
To all and any watching and worrying. Here is a true story from the real world out here. My local pub in darkest Somerset has many regulars and one of us is a wonderful trans lady. One night a group of 8 or so very drunk and rowdy men started picking on our trans friend. They immediately found them selves surrounded by the locals, all of whom know this lady as a valued, kind and great member of OUR community. The land lord hearing this immediately banned them all for life thus making our local an even better place and our dear friend continues to share our social lives as ever. The moral of this story is don't feel too isolated you may in fact have more allies than you know, Most humans are fine with people being the people they actually are. Terfs are a very nasty and loud minority. And as such they are part of our past not our future together.
Cishet man here. I'm not even done watching this video and I'm shocked, appalled and angry. I'm very sorry that trans people have to put up with this shit.
@@wghmnb9136 You know that little chestnut about treating people the way you'd want them to treat you? The reverse is true, too: you will be treated the way you treat others.
@@wghmnb9136 You can't have the expectation of treating trans people as inhuman, curb stomping basic rights, and generally putting their livelihood at risk on the daily than be surprised when engagement between the two doesn't go well. Fighting over who's the instigator of individual spats that are part of a larger issue one is defiantly the larger and more sadistic instigator of only moves the goalpost away from what's been done to get to that point. Aggressively treating an entire group of people as degenerate and expressing both overt and covert hatred and disgust with them, than being shocked that it results in them fearing & hating you with equal passion back is ridiculous. This doesn't mean violence from oppression is justified, but going "What about" when there's literal clips of someone calling for the lynching of trans people and implying the reaction is equal is certainly tone deaf at best.
you're not being hyperbolic. Never forget 'first they came for...' Solidarity against the kind of bullsh8t you call out in this video is an unquestionably Good Thing.
I've only realized I was Trans since around February but I cannot thank you enough for the work that you do. This type of rhetoric MUST be challenged and any time people say "stop making it about you", we have to push back and say "YOU made this about me". Keep it up, Jessie!!
Ridiculous statement. We're abandoning the T because in the UK their lobby groups have gone insane (largely Stonewall and Mermaids), and are making themselves very unpopular with the general public. Want some clear blue water between us and them, thanks, not sticking around for the inevitable backlash. Allow yourself to be perceived as a threat to women's safety or children at your peril. If they wanted our solidarity, perhaps they shouldn't have stamped the Pride flag, that represented all of us, with their own specific one, like some sort of colonial overlord.
They already are. They just repeat the same old homophobic rhetoric. Either you are in a "straight" relationship and just lying about being Bi for "oppression points" or you are in a "gay" relationship and you are just gay in denial. The real fun is when the LG get kicked by the alt-right bigots they allied themselves with, not to mention reactionary men and women don't mix well
@@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. "UK their lobby groups have gone insane (largely Stonewall and Mermaids)" LMAO? fighting for medical and social rights= going insane? LGB alliance has lobbied all of it's money to passing homophobic and transphobic laws and ad campaigns. It's a threat because y'all decided to be reactionary fuckwits and ally with the right wing
