It's a shame this man clearly cares for Ezra, he tried to help her the best he could but she's an idiot. You could tell he was happy to have her staying with him. And took her keys because her insurance was expired and didn't want her to put herself in a disadvantageous situation. But she really wanted revenge on Alex for something utterly stupid and completely her fault. How did she think killing Alex was going fix things with Jason by playing the victim afterwards, he was literally the first person she asked for at the hospital. What a total narcissist
@@RLFinTX because he wouldn't go along with her false sexual assault claims against her ex boyfriends friend. Causing her ex boyfriend to end up breaking up with him as a result. She had consensual sex with all 3 men and she was with all of them at the same time Jason (her actually boyfriend), Alex (her friend she met at a coffee shop she regularly went to) and Jason's good friend. Jason found out she was cheating on him with all 2 other men and confronted them. And he broke up with her as a result, she put all the blame on Alex for Jason breaking up with her. And in that rage she killed Alex, then tried to act like he was trying to attack and sexually abuse her. In some twisted sick way she was trying to use killing Alex as a way to get back with Jason. By trying to garner sympathy from him for the whole ordeal. Alex was just a guy who got caught up in the middle of it all and because he was honest got killed for it. She was an extremely immature and irrational person, granted she was only 19/20 at the time but that's still no excuse.
@@hilriekemp Holy crap!! Thank you so much for taking the time to write all of this!! I’m trying to find the testimony of her mom right now, but I can’t seem to find it in this playlist. I’ll search RU-vid for it. Thank you so much again for explaining everything!!
@@RLFinTX hey no problem it's most definitely a fascinating trial and case. You just don't see a lot of women out there killing for those particular reasons. Especially since she was a relatively good person up until the murder, she just made a lot of individually bad decisions that lead her down that path
@@hilriekemp Yes, I agree. It’s such a drastic step to take to attempt a reconciliation with her ex. I can’t seem to find any testimony for her mom. Do you remember her mom testifying? I just watched her dad’s, but that’s it.
I was saying the same thing. If he didn't want her to drive because she didn't have insurance than he didn't want her to drive for the safety of her and others 🙄
And it was odd, that, during the prep for him to take the stand from the last video, there was discussion about obscuring his face from the court cameras which seemed very odd. The judge denied that request, thankfully, explaining that it's a public trial.
@@AyaBlue22if you think a bit harder you’re realize why an small business owner in a small town wouldn’t want to be associated with this case like he is. It’s not “weird” it’s very much comprehensible. Don’t be daft!
The way his demeanor changes between the prosecutor and defense is mind boggling. Why is he so annoyed by the prosecutor’s questions? Should everyone just stop asking him questions about his child that just bludgeoned a man to death bc she wanted to play the damsel in distress?
Bludgeoning is a form of violence in which blunt force trauma is induced with a blunt instrument. This woman stabbed her lover to death with knives. 17 times if I remember.
Wow.... her adoptive father is so hostile towards the prosecution! Does he actually believe his "beloved adopted daughter" didn't commit this crime?!!?
i hate when people testify and they cop an attitude immediately upon being questioned. every response is defensive and rude and condescending. and for what?? just answer the questions and act like a decent human being.
It's not too hard to see where "Ezra" got her toxic daddy issues, that's for sure. These backwoods Scon-dinavians didn't deserve her, but they created her 🤷🏼
not that easy if you're testifying for someone you care about and likely believe they are innocent. You will defend (ergo be defensive) if you perceive an attack. Put yourself in the shoes of someone like that - it is especially difficult for loved ones to accept that their child did something heinous.
@@CuttyKitty1people know the whole process and act as if everyone had the same knowledge we now have. It’s ridiculous to judge a father who at the time believe his daughter and had only her side to go on for.
I can’t help but feel for Joshane. I get it, here in RU-vid comment land, people only ever focus on slamming the defendant because they already know what happens. But, at that moment, Joshane was testifying against his own daughter whom he loved and - whether we like it or not - at that moment, Ezra was considered innocent. RU-vid commenters don’t understand that concept - innocent until proven otherwise. If a RU-vid commenters daughter came up to that RU-vid commenter and said she was assaulted, RU-vid commenter would likely believe her. Right? Same for Joshane. I hope Joshane has progressed from this. He seems a down to earth guy. From the look on Ezra’s face, she knows she has disappointed her father.
What makes me so sad is that Ezra also implied her adoptive father was abusive. Thankfully, right after implying abuse, she talked about how he made sure she had a weapon for protection and made sure she had tools in her car to get out of any trouble. It had to really hurt him knowing she was prepared to throw him under the bus to avoid the consequences of her actions.
Nah...He still gets to visit his daughter in prison whenever he likes. Alex's Dad will never see his son again. Your compassion could be better spent. With that said, no one in her family deserves any hate.
yea but in real life he knew she was mentally whacked and manipulative. I wouldnt be suprised if she made allegations(whether sexual, physically or mentally abusive) against him at some point in time.... gauranteed
During the cross examination at the beginning, the smile the defense puts on after every question makes me not trust them at all. Drop the weird act man, its so strange. Feels creepy as ****.
I don't know why people bother with being difficult on the stand, you just make things worse. The prosecution asks if he hid the keys, he says he put them on a shelf as if they weren't hidden. When asked if he specifically told her not to drive, he said yes but she's an adult and she can drive. So he banned her, but didn't ban her. Then minutes later he admits to being angry she drove... He was handed a transcription of exactly what he said to the cops and still wouldn't admit that he lied, telling them she didn't have a knife. Then on cross he spins around and happily admits to the defense that he gave her a knife for protection. Now I don't trust or believe you Mr Karlen, neither about the knife or the once-per-month drinking. She took the knife he gave her and literally drove it through Alex's skull, I wonder if he feels even a little guilty about that. Also, this defense attorney is unbearable, arguing with the judge because he wants to ask 50 questions about how many guns he has, where they are, what they smell/taste like, etc just to say they were available to her. She knew that would be dumb. Plus, a knife is an incredibly personal weapon, you're right up against them, stabbing multiple times, covered in their blood, no physical (and emotional) distance that a gun affords you. Just makes her that much crazier, and dad here gets credit for raising such a psycho.
Couldn’t agree with you more! This contradiction of a man was insufferable! He’s probably the reason she was sometimes a male. He was probably one of those dad’s that told her to act like a man and quit crying when she was forced to haul tree branches at age 4.
He's not being difficult. He's trying to recall things that happened a year or more earlier. Ezra killed Alex in March 2018. The trial started in October 2019.
To me it’s the fact that HE is angry in this case. He should’ve been sitting there consumed by shame for what his psycho daughter did. Instead he seems offended that he has to testify for the prosecution. The only reason he’s there, is because of what Ezra did, she’s the one he should be angry at.
@@everrgreen122ummm how slow are y’all on here?!? Of course you can say this now. With all the evidence being heard. But her father only knew what his daughter claimed. Which was that she was a victim. Anyone who believed their child was being assaulted and protected themselves would be angry!
@@lilm6259 No one is blaming this man for believing his daughter AT THE TIME, but this was during trial where all the evidence was presented. And I don’t know if you somehow missed this “lil m”, but there was a mountain of evidence against Ezra. To the point where you’d had to willfully ignore it to still believe a word she was saying. Her father knew by this time what had actually happened, but chose to ignore it. His behavior only showed where his precious daughter got her wonderful character from. What you call being slow, I call actually paying attention to the facts. Next time you’re trying to be sassy, make sure what you’re saying makes sense, k genius🤣💀? Also, if you’re going to call out multiple people, don’t just tag one you freaking weirdo. If you’d left your redundant comment under the OP we would’ve still seen it🤦🏾♀️.
During the trial, because he's to be called as a witness, is he kept from following the trial? I can't imagine how confused and upset he must be as the evidence rolls in against his daughter otherwise. It's got to be hard to wrap your head around, but, I really think she'd perfected her woe-is-me persona to many of the men in her life to the -nth degree.
Yes, it was truly a trial of firsts. I’ve also never seen a defendant get to be the decoder of the victims journal, that whole angle smelled like heresay and bullshit from here; luckily it ended up shooting them in the foot in the long run because the focus on obvious metaphorical cannibalism sounded so silly they couldn’t prove the “love the and do as you will” slogan Monica/Ezra pretended Alex used on her all the time in the electronic correspondence between the two. Glad that weirdo is locked up till she’s old and gray.
I dated a girl EXACTLY like her in college.Their voices even sound exactly the same. Her watching her father with that dreamy, wishful, fake-gratitude gaze is so disgusting, My ex used to do this all the time. She turned out to be an evil, narcissist who burned many, many bridges including the one between us. Ezra is so pathetic and lost yet she thinks she is smarter and more "ancient" than anyone else. I think it would absolutely fascinating to write a letter to her and start a communication to analyze her mental. I have thought about starting communication with many killers like Ezra but decided against it for the sole reason that I am terrified of accidentally inviting the demons that possesses them into my life.
@@junglehusky1453In all fairness, after watching dreading coverage of this case, along with others, I find both male and female Cluster B's have very similar patterns of behavior. I also find that both males and females with...a certain identity have Cluster B traits.
Yeah demons or not, people like her aren't built the same as, they don't feel stress, have morals and it's easy to manipulate others. They are the demons. And you can't believe a word that comes out her mouth or pen. It would be grandiose nonsense
At this time, yes they were probably guessing. But it ended up coming out in her cross examination that it was because she didn’t have insurance. So by the time the jury went for deliberations, they knew of the reason. I don’t know why it was kept secret for half the trial though. I mean she’s there for murder - not having car insurance while driving seems like nothing important, considering. But I 100% agree with you - had the jury not been told eventually, I think they would have assumed it was for a more serious reason than it was in reality.
He was called as the states witness, therefore on direct the prosecution cannot ask leading questions normally (here they had a certain degree of exception which was covered by the talks outside of the jury). However, the defence is performing cross examination where they are allowed and most usually should, ask leading questions.
Ezra wouldn't have taken a gun because she's smart enough to know it would've led back to her father, that's a no-brainer. Hence, she took the knife instead because that would be less likely traceable.
And guns are loud, can make it harder to hide the crime. It really doesn't matter that she didn't take a gun, she took a knife and murdered him with that, it's irrelevant that she didn't also take a gun
@@kinseyclay - I was thinking that, too, that she wanted to be quiet about it all, which is why she drove to the middle of nowhere, really... out of sight and in a isolated spot. Had the car not gotten stuck in the mud, though, I wonder where she'd ultimately planned for them to end up.
@@AyaBlue22 exactly! If she wanted "nature" and a public place then she would have actually gone to a park not down some dirt road in the country somewhere they don't know. I do wonder had the car not gotten stuck where she would have gone but as we can see here she is not nearly as smart as she wants to portray so I'm not sure she really knew. She just wanted to be secluded where she could hope he wouldn't be found anytime soon and where she could make up her own story to play victim. So I think when she got stuck she just figured this'll do
Ezra’s family is many generations of dysfunctional. Grandmother marries numerous alcoholic abusive men, Eraz’s mother pregnant at 13 or 14 had Erza at 14. Erza grew up with dysfunctional family. Probably never seen “normal “
Step Dad is simmering in anger. It’s like he’s mad that his step daughter is even being tried for hacking someone to death. WTH wouldn’t want to be around him.
A this point he may not have known or accepted her guilt as true. She was not yet pronuonced guilty and she probably made her loved ones believe that she is innocent. Is that not a likely scenario? And if it is, then his reaction is actually normal. Any parent would be upset if their child ended up in this position. And even if the guilt was already obvious (though I expect most parents would be in denial till the end), most parents would probably find it very hard to cope. How do you do that? How do you behave in such situation? That's not something I would wish anyone to find out. We can all comment and criticize, but that doesn't help and it doesn't really come from the place of compassion and experience.
Why'd he hide her key and not want Ezra to drive? Especially if she's so much of an adult... It's weird the boyfriend Jason her father herself and sorry but Alex was a little odd.
@@kRomani-gh4ws Despite what she thinks of herself, she’s not clever enough to have come up with that. I’d also venture to say that almost ANYONE is Better Than (this) Ezra!
I feel so bad for this guy. He adopts her, considers her a daughter even after he breaks up with the mom, and she turns out to be a murderer. Although, it isn't fair, this is why people shy away from adopting older children. The damage is done by 5, neural pathways are pretty solidified, and while it's not impossible to change them it's difficult. (and yes, I realize all children aren't like this) Unfortunately, she seems to have won the Trifecta, the entire dark triad.
lol good job blaming the dude who stepped up and adopted her because she was from a broken home before she ever knew him. It's more likely ezra would have done far worse things without a father figure stepping into her life at an early age when he didn't have to
Ezra was an adult when she murdered Alex. The father is not reasonable for her actions nor how she made decisions through her life, regardless if she was parented well. People that have been brought up properly so bad and evil things.
I feel sad for him. He still cares for her and wants to help her, shes not even his blood and he loves her as his own, even after she told everyone he abused her then viciously murdered an innocent man, he still defends her. She doesnt deserve him
Harsh comments. I'm sure he's afraid of saying anything that might harm his daughter (as in, getting her 20 yrs rather than 50). Yes, she's a murderer.
Josh to the judge on the way out: ‘Hey Your Honerest if you know anyone in maintenance or maybe even you can call if you guys need any trees cut around the court house, I wrote my personal cell number on the back- just in case you want to join me and the troop on one of our outrageous dart smash up 🍻 bud light nights ‘
Did Ezra's mother testify? I cant find out anything about her. Not even her name. I'm also curious about her childhood. All we know is her mother had her at 14 years old, got married four years later and then divorced when Ezra was 12. So intentionally vague. 🤔
@@laurad6684 I’m on my second time of rewatching it all! 😂😂😂. I searched her name here on RU-vid the other day and there are a few other true crime type videos, so I’m going to watch those next. Hahaha!!
his salty attitude hurt her... truth resignates with people, when hes asked if you told your daughter if someone messes with you, you hit em in the nuts, he shouldve said yes, i did say that, because we all know he did and theres nothing wrong with that. but when you lie about things like that, the rest of your testimony seems deceptive. couple that eith your salty attitude towards the prosecutions questions and your stupid little smirking when the defense is quesyioning, you absolutely hurt her defense.
Did she leave you a note when she didn't come home after asking to stay there? "No, she's an adult." Meaning: No, she's a spoilt inconsiderate brat who doesn't care if anybody worries about her.
Poor guy! Another victim of Ezra’s lies. What’s disgusting about him is that he’s not there to tell the truth. When he gives a smart answer, he glances over to the demon and looks pleased with himself. Her life was filled with enablers and idiots.
Enablers and idiots.. just like you "progressive" left types that convince these vulnerable and often unstable people into believing they are something they are not.. like the opposite sex.
(9:40 - 9:50) Regarding, "she's an adult" when trying to justify her being gone all night instead of the responsibility (like an adult) & courtesy of lettimg her dad know didn't help the defense. Then moments later discussing hiding the car keys, forbidding her to drive the car, and her "not obeying her dad," finding and taking the keys and car, (driving the car without insurance is not a responsible adult thing to do, and careless of others), neglecting to be home to pick up the younger child (her younger brother) from the bus stop because dad is heavily drinking at a bar playing a Darts "tournament," REALLY does not help the defense. 29:00 Why does the defense get "to lead" and make assumptions, implications, opinions, and testify for the witness regarding his alcohol consumption (being heavily intoxicated that day, and regularly consuming alcohol ("1 or 2 beers a month") is still regular consumption of alcohol. But trying to minimize the amout to "1 OR 2 beers a month" will cause people to assume its actually more than that. And defense attorney asserting and trying to justify that he got drunk that day because he was under stress. The witness never said that. 30:00 -- "Might have exaggerated some of your thoughts about your daughter at that point?" Again, why is the attorney asserting, assuming, implying, and giving HIS opinion? Why is this attorney testifying on his behalf? He doesn't testify, excuse, ir justify for other witnesses "being under stress" or "might have exaggerated," because they were "drunk & angry. "
3:46 this is a very telling moment for me. court trials are not so cut an dry as I assumed. the defense attorney says... "I'm going to be leading a little bit I hope yall understand..."
Listening to the first 12 minutes of this these questions from this lawyer is frustrating, it's as if she doesn't know what she is doing or is not prepared. A lot of the defendants lawyers objections are being sustained.
This is not important about the crime that Ezra committed but they talk about her childhood and I haven't heard anything about siblings. Does she have any? Like I said it doesn't matter she still would have killed obviously I was just curious because I haven't heard anything so I'm assuming she was the only child? She's very pretty there is no denying that but what she did was very evil and I want to know what caused it. Unless she's just a psychopath like a lot of these cases are but maybe there is more to it I'm not sure. Anyways I really like your channel and I will continue to follow you and watch as many videos of yours that I can and any new videos I would love to see! Thank you for bringing us this content 💜
What caused it? I gather she was mad at Alex because her affair with him messed up the relationship with her real boyfriend, the one she had an abortion with.
@@lukewarme9121well lots of us get angry with people without killing them. even get angry at them for unfair and irrational and toxic reasons and still don't get violent let alone fatally violent. it's a good question why someone would go that far. why their anger would escalate to the point of feeling it was appropriate or deserved to kill. most of us would not think to do a revenge killing unless the person killed our loved one on purpose or SA'd our child. to me her reaction and other behavior patterns speak to a severe cluster B personality disorder that festered unchallenged and untreated and enabled for way too long. childhood trauma such as being adopted in the first place can be a root cause of it but plenty of personality disordered individuals don't get this bad
@@lukewarme9121and she was accusing Alex of SA and he wouldn’t go along with it, (what nerve), he had a lot of texts proving they were together consensually.
And yet the defense attorney testifies on behalf on the dad, giving his opinion, trying to justify things for him, asserting that he "got drunk because he was stressed" and because he was "drunk and angry he might have exaggerated his thoughts about his daughter" to the police. The witness never said he was stressed or exaggerated. At first I was thinking, why aren't the prosecutors objecting to all this? Then I realized, it's because the defense attorney and witness is making it worse and a mess and doing the prosecutors job for them.
I wonder what all the secretive stuff in the beginning regarding him is all about. They don't want to say what his real occupation is and have a bunch of other things that they can't talk about in front of the jury. Seems kind of strange.
Joshane Karlen is a hostile witness for the prosecution. He denies everything the prosecutor asks even when she has him read his statements he made to the investigators. His memory seems to improve drastically when the defense attorney asked him questions about the same interview. Don’t you just love how the slimy defense attorney sets up the witness with leading questions. “You’re a pretty straight and narrow guy. Right”? Blah blah blah….only a couple of beers a year…….! Yeah, right! What a joke of a witness. Go back to your man cave with your dozens of guns and 1 knife and have a few more beers. You’re not very good at lying. 🤢
You DO understand that the defense would have substantively gone over practically all their questions with him earlier, right? And that the prosecutuon, knowing he's effectively hostile, would have held back certain "gunpowder" questions during discovery to rattle him in the trial? An this somehow shocks and awesyou? Go back to your ivory tower of fantaay, hikevyoue skirts, clutchbyour pearls, and hush honey hush. Your shallow purity-r***d virtue-signaling is based on knowledge gained from the totality of the trial's evidence against some poor workabilly fellow equipped with comparative limited evidenciary and familial tunnel vision as if he is Satan himself is repulsive. Quite digusting. Rethink your life, Be a better kind of bigot.
She didn’t have car insurance thus you shouldn’t drive, being her Dad he was trying to save her the grief of a ticket. I’m sure there is more to the story. This father is not the guilty one and the situation is a sad and complicated.
I'd say he's guilty of lying on the stand. He can't remember very much when the State asks him questions, but he has no hesitancy answering defence- he confirmed immediately he remembers giving a knife to Ezra
lol……He didn’t want to over invade the privacy of the witness!!! That is why he said we don’t need to discuss anymore, you’ve made your point. These trials are on utube!!! and there’s plenty out there looking for free guns/ammo…….pay close attention.
When asked by the prosecutor if he tried hiding the keys he tried & downplayed it and stated she was an adult but when the defense attorney asked if he was angry when he found out she drove the car he stated he was indeed angry upset she drove the car…. That certainly did not help but he is her father after all. I do not believe he drinks one or two beers a month and then all of a sudden he got smashed that day, and the defense lawyer seemed like he was his therapist who knew how he felt and babying him by laying out excuses. I wonder if in cases like these parents have the right to refuse to testify because I sure wouldn’t, first because I do not want to lie under oath and two I would be afraid to make matters worse as this guy did for his killer child because at the end that is exactly who she is now. So sad to see she had all the support many wish they could have and blew it. Too bad she did not listen to his advice to leave it all behind and life starts tomorrow and that she did not take care of herself with the knives he gave her but instead took the life of an innocent guy. I wonder how he feels about providing her weapon that put her in prison for the rest of her life as she deserves.
im sure he was just making sure she had protection because he never would have imagined someone like her would brutally murder someone in cold blood, also if she was so determined to do so she could have just got a knife from literally any hunting store
Right off the bat, she's faking tears for the first time in hours of being in court, even following seeing the dead body of the person she killed. That tissue is completely dry. How pitiful.
great role model, this step dad. Only has 2 beers a month, doesn’t know any details about his daughter´s problems or thoughts, has guns in the household, etc…..nice one!
I think y'all need to give this man a break, I'm more than sure he's going through all kinds of emotions, And I'm sure he can't fathom what his daughter did. Not to mention how many men adopt there wife to be children? and stay in there life after the divorce? Not many. geesh!
I agree - I just finished his testimony and I just don't see any red flags. He doesn't seem to be trying to evade or have an attitude. The things he remembers he says, and the things he doesn't are reasonable. As far as having guns, that's so normal for that area. Even the little bit we know of his relationship with Ezra prior to Alex's murder sounds like a decent Dad. I just don't see the issues. 🤷♀️
32:32 ooowwee this judge doesn't like the male defense attorney and his repeating repeating questions like beating a dead horse to death! This is the 2nd time I've heard the judge go off on the poor guy in this part of testimony and another. Boring...
Because Alex told she wasn't sexual assaulted.and mangle broke up with her.i Believe she picked the person she thought was the weakest to kill.unless her Masculine side came out.
She spent how much time talking to Alex? Was she trying to get Alex to help her get Jason back? I'm thinking YES. When Alex refused, she conned him into going somewhere with her & killed him, enraged that he wouldn't help her.
I think it was her being pissed off at Alex regarding the writing on the Racy's bathroom wall and while talking about it she discovered Alex had already spoken to cops to refute her claim of assault. I think she found out about that on that day.
Was he in her life fully after age 12 once they divorced? Like 10 years ago? He seems like a decent guy, adopted her and tried, maybe a little dense. He probably did the best he could, and didn’t want to implicate her further or show she was a bad seed long before she committed murder. She obviously didn’t share much with him, since he doesn’t ‘remember’ some key details/events.
The prosecutor's questions are horrible! It's difficult to tell what's the truth, she's questioning Mr. Karlen as if what she's saying is true and he's having a difficult time recalling whether or not it is.
He's a reluctant witness for Prosecution. She has to elicit testimony and if he refuses to "remember" what he told the police just after the murder, State has to find ways to hold him to it. The lawyers cannot testify .
Because she was reading HIS statements to detectives. So, yes, she is reading the truth and he’s intentionally not remembering. That’s how lawyers question a reluctant witness…read from prior statements and ask if he remembers. Routine.
The father seems like a very normal man, somewhat stressed in life (who isn't) and of course very sad, upset and disappointed with the situation. He cannot manage his stress properly, and sometimes it comes out a bit angry. Who cares? He is her father! And he clearly loves his daughter, and did his best to care for her properly. Unfortunately, the situation at home (child at 14, divorcing quickly, female child not really having female role model) was very bad for Ezra, and you can clearly see that as she is unsafely attached and doesn't like her female identity. It is sad to see that her father probably realizes this as well. Indeed, you cannot change the past, and you just have to work on your future. Sad that Alex does not have a future, though.
Massive kudos to the judge for thinking ahead and stopping the defense on probing the witness on where his firearms are located. I pretty much figure there's a bunch of woke "progressive" judges out there that would have wanted all those details blasted out to try and make him look bad. There was no relevancy as to where that man kept his firearms. That little murderer wanted to be as sadistic and gruesome as she could slaughtering that young man and so chose a knife.
The Defense's strategy there was to show Ezra had access to firearms. They tried to argue if she had formulated intent to kill Alex, she would have taken one of Joshane's guns, not a knife. Reading political intent into every single situation must be exhausting. What's more, it fuels the machinery of manufactured outrage.
Just calling it like I see it. There's no sense in being subtle and beating around the bush. And like true woke, liberal fashion monica chose the most savage way she could to exact her revenge. @@valerieivy29
Also I'm calling Ezra a she because she said that now she is feminine. Hopefully that's not offensive also I don't have too much compassion for a killer but I also don't want to misgender them. But the fact that she said she feels feminine more now I assume she's okay with be calling a she
If she wanted to kill him, she would have used a gun. She would have hidden her being there. It's so obvious this was a crime that happened in the moment and not planned. So why kill the man? He must've done something. She isn't a cold-blooded person.
I think it's important that Mr. Karlen had guns in the home and they were not all locked up. If Ezra had planned to kill Alex it would have been far easier and more certain for her to take a gun and shoot Alex rather than stab him. I am further compelled to think Ezra did not intened to kill Alex until some time after she and Alex had left Alex's apartment, at Jason's urging.
@@TombRaider666 She was in the process of getting a new job, had gone back to her father's house to stay for a while, was in the process of cutting ties with Alex ... it seems she was making plans for the future and they were productive plans. I honestly think Jason's involvement caused a lot of problems for her. Btw, you should look at the Wisconsin court records. In the Jason testimony threads so many people are saying what a great guy he is. The court records plus testimony from him and others in this trial paint a different picture. Take a look to see what I'm talking about. I suspect that info wasn't allowed during the trial.
@@musicloverchicago437 Here's an alternate perspective: her moving back in with her parents meant she'd have to get a job and it didn't seem like she wanted to provide for herself. Jason provided for her and paid he rent so she had a place to live and she didn't have to work. If she survived an attack, for example, he'd feel protective and worried, and she probably thought she could win him back. She really, really wanted him back. Maybe it felt dire to her.
@@Roswell33 Well, she would say she shot him in self-defense just like she said she stabbed him in self-defense. I really do think she didn't make the decision to kill Alex until after she and Alex left his apartment. Who knows what Ezra and Jason said to each other when he followed Ezra to Alex's apartment, the only other person who can tell us, Alex, is dead. To Ezra, Alex was the reason why Jason wouldn't fully commit to her again. He was egging her on in the text conversation prior to her going to Alex's apartment. There's something really weird about all of this. But in the end it was Ezra who killed Alex and there's no evidence it was self-defense, so I guess it doesn't matter.
