F-35 and Su-27: THIS was unexpected... 

The F-35 and the Su-27 went through a lot of tribulations during their development that were the cause of a similar, quite bizarre, destiny Join this channel to support it: ru-vid.com/show-UCVDkfkGRzo0qcZ8AkB4TMuwjoin Support me on Patreon www.patreon.com/Millennium7 One off donation with PayPal www.paypal.com/paypalme/Millennium7star Join the Discord server discord.gg/nCHxkzyH9T Buy an Aircraft Model at Air Models! airmodels.net/?aff=173 ---------------------------- Ask me anything! Take part to the community Q&A clicking the link below! forms.office.com/r/LNPQtf3Tc0 -------------------- Visit the subreddit! www.reddit.com/r/Millennium7Lounge/ --------------------- All images and additional video segments contained in the Thumbnails and/or B-roll segments are used in strict compliance with the appropriate permissions and licenses required from the source and in accordance with the RU-vid Partner Program, Community guidelines & RU-vid terms of service.

Glad to see you back Millennium7, not just for your content either. A few times over the last week when looking at my subscription feed I've wondered if something might have happened to you. Must be tough creating content whilst simultaneously dodging half a dozen intelligence agencies and their bounty hunters.

I'm flying that SU-27 in VR while voice texting this, got me thinking Jesus how much money do we pay for one aerial victory. Probably 10 times more than the aircraft that died cost

Something similar happened with the old Messerschmitt Me-109 E. The airframes were coming off the production line before the Daimler-Benz DB601 engines were ready, so they went into storage. When DB got their act together (early '38), the Luftwaffe started receiving new Me-109s as fast as DB could build the motors.

Halfway around the world and in different times, similar stories play out. Such is the story of cutting edge technology programs.

There was also a significant airframe redesign between the T-10 (Flanker A) and the T-10S (Flanker B).

Interesting! So the Su-27 P3 incidents occurred with the Su-27 probably not having a working radar. IIRC that was Sept of 1987. I also have read that the R-27ER was not ready until 1990.

I knew you were Italian by your *strong accent. Anyways, I really think you should make a video about F-35 and Yak-141.

Well, it kind of is like Su-57 or at least similar. It and Ohotnik drone were supposed to have the new engine with (O)VT and lower RCS nozzles. Su-57 entered serial production without it (with plans for retrofitting it later) and S-70 drone is in testing phase - again without it.

This happens a lot. Best example I can think of is the Tornado F2, air defence variant. The air-to-air radar wasn't yet ready and the weight had to be made up for with concrete ballast, leading to the hilarious "Blue Circle" radar. Blue Circle is a brand of cement in Britain, and also British radar set were code named things like "red vixen". IIRC The Eurofighter Typhoon entered service with a dummy canon. It happens a lot but I see it as a massive embarassment and stress the fact it's public money, being used for something essential. If the manufacturers can't deliver then they shouldn't over promise. Personally I'd bring in measures like massive fines and prison time for the most egregious cases.

It’s fascinating stuff, there is lessons to be learned from previous programs to try and make sure the next ones don’t repeat the same mistakes.

That's the first thing I thought: "Tutto il mondo è Paese". I really wish EVERY upper management board in EVERY damn company would learn the simple, unavoidable truth that developing new tech is complex and complicated, and requires its due time. If you're not ready to take the time before, with appropriate funds and workforce, you are bound to take double the time and money afterward to fix the issues.

It reminds me the "glorious" days of Windows 95 till Windows XP...

How pathetic is that software for it to be redone 4 times and still be junk enough for those planes to be grounded considering how stubborn the people who ordered this 💩 are in the first place.

Great to see Millennium back again

You should do an updated video on Stealth and low RCS vs IRIST and modern FLIR. So many ppl think F-22 and F-35 are immune to be detected and tracked due to low RCS. In particular, Chinese Sci Academy recently launched a Satellite that covers entire coast of China, with a new quantum IRIST scanner.

Super cruise was very enlightening. Always wondered what it was. Thank you. Respect-

Funny you raise this now, the algorithm just served me a load of "agile is bullshit" videos 😂

Appreciate the inside baseball insight.

great videos on this channel.

Also radar and electronic for Su-27 is heavier than they expecting

Interesting detail!

I was watching the video, and as the total ignorant I am, a question jumped to my mind: does the principle of Planned obsolescence that causes our cars and consumer crap components to fail apply to airplanes hardware as well? and to what degree? I'd imagine such delicate application would require the top reliability possible, but that in turn would require completely different processes, materials and machinery, and consequently huge costs for companies... Am I writing nonsensical stuff?

Sir, just a small question. Do you think the 6th gen and beyond fighters will go back and use air sucking panels as a way to remove inlet boundary layer like the Yf-23?

Fat Amy has grown up. She has now been voted Homecoming Queen. Good for her.

Something you dont see everyday. 😊

you could totally avoid the 'Ohh No' gifs in between. this is serious business.

Instead of taking 6 years to get the F35 new hardware working with the old software, the program will cut it to 3 years by accepting minimal functionality working (I.e. reducing functionality, redefining full mission capability, and declaring victory). I don’t see the government forcing LM to double salaries to attract the best software engineers and tripling the number working on it to quickly fix it. Don’t hold your breath. Instead they will roll the unfinished business into the block 4 SW upgrade, then break that into partial sequential upgrades just to get something.

Yay! He’s back!! :D

A big village it is and a strategic reserve included ;)

'Oh no!!' 😯

Just going over RU-vid video tiles, I though I saw " Su-35 and Su-27" so I just continued. RU-vid keep suggesting the video and then I saw F-35...Haa? So, let's see (yes a comment even before watching the video )

no where else I get, short & precise info on military jets. thank you for the great effort you put in, to enlighten us on these issues. keep em coming 👍

Wow, I thought unfinished product releases a problem unique to the gaming industy.

Is this why the Danes announced their F35's were delayed?

I think concurrency is a very risky approach and I hope we cut back on that in future programs.

Hi Gus. Your older yellow thumbnails were much more attractive than the new white ones. The yellows ones are visual clickbaits that are much more effective than textual clickbaits which I don't like at all. Thanks a lot. Keep the good work coming.

My Fav Italian!!

As it happens with most car models too.

Turns out mass producing Modern Fighter Jets is hard huh?

Great planes

Amazing content as usual.

Another excellent video. Thank you and May you continue to have good health Sir..

A complex system like this one is made by many different teams. Those teams, even with best management simply do not go at the same speed of development and deployment.Not all engineers have been created equally (talent and/or formation)! Best management will good vision of how it should look and what its team can do, give different goals to different teams in order to have coherent level of product at the same time, and then go and do it again for the next step or milestone. Very often, it is so complex that several refinements are needed. And then not all parts (being that hardware or software) need refinement. Usually some simple parts are good from the version 1. So, again different teams are working on that with different speed. Its just people. All (good) management can do , is make sure they come up with something that actually works. For complex systems like those, you are talking about maybe hundreds of teams, even if they are only coming from 4-5 factories. The leading management needs to know all of them and have clear vision. If they are not up to the task and can not prepare team for unexpected situations, then usually project is late and have many problems. There is actual reason why top managers are paid that much. They bring big projects to life better than others.

This is why Canada should be buying the Gripen-E/F. We simply cannot afford the support cost for it. We are told Block 4 will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but when will Block 4 be done? There is a re-engining plan in the works which is supposed to increase thrust and efficiency (ie. range) while reducing maintenance costs. Great, so do we wait for that block to start rolling off the production line or do we pay to retrofit later? When will the F-35 be "done"? It is fantastically advanced but I see a ball of problems that stills need to be untangled one thread at a time. The Gripen-E/F meets Canada's needs, is more mature, costs much less to maintain, and would be built in Canada.

Just like Tornado F2 and F3

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What do f 35's pilot do when their OS reboots after upgrades in the middle of the night?

Экипаж самолёта Су-34 применил гиперзвуковую ракету «Кинжал» в зоне СВО Об этом сообщает ТАСС со ссылкой на источник в Минобороны РФ. «Первый экипаж, который успешно выполнил такую задачу, был представлен к госнаградам», - приводит агентство слова своего собеседника.

There's also an underlying theme which is transversal to many many engineering fields - both strategic (if we want to believe in the concept) and not - which imho is affecting them into weirds commercial autolegitimation trends to favor revenue against results. You call this: "technical debt", I call it "Fare le cose col Culo". Perhaps exporting this linguistical joke along all our cheeses, mozzarellas and good engineers, may somehow end up giving something pragmatically useful - at least on the high level cognitive shared perspective - to the entire globe's stance on today's engineeering; and even more importantly: project management. The current perspective about the direct relations between effectiveness vs efficiency vs profitability during a given timespan, must be - at this point - generally reviewed. Its not a - now fully developed - general trend which is caused by higher complexity. Its the mismanagement of higher complexity which is increasingly legitimated by the general trend (with the usual "excuse" of a GDP multiplayer, generally). And the trend - with so many highs and lows, but especially highs that we ve seen in so many projects in the last 40 years - is now reaching this kind of "extremes", apparently, now. I think a general "turning back to the drawing board" about work methodologies and project management philosophies is way more needed, than the actual refactor - and not only in this specific case.

Usually I post a silly comment for the reference, but today I am not inspired

Interesting that the Soviet union only lasted three more years after the radar was fixed. . . I wonder if history is about to rhyme again?

More italian proverbs please

F35 is built to hit and run undetected, SU27 is built for Dog fight and direct hit , 2 air craft is different, to kill su27 in dog fight f15 or f22 will do the Job

F35 is the most insipid looking fighter I've ever seen.

I just wanted to point out that the Complexity of the "Project F-35" was to a significant extent avoidable. Let's just say, the Airframe wasn't designed for all the ideas, the software developers had projected onto it. You know, Competence plus Authority = Capability. It still is a Missile and Bomb platform after all, and needs to deliver those as reliably and competent as possible. And the F-35 not only has reliability issues, but also Competence ones, as it neither climbs fast to a relevant altitude, nor does it max out at mach1.1 with a FULL load (At an altitude it can reach in a minute). Not exactly an "Emergency" capable plane. It is ok-ish to run missions, that were planned DAYS ahead. But in case of an Emergency (Attack from "somewhere"). I highly doubt you'll get that plane from cold to a significant position within 15-30 minutes. And if you do, it can't stay there for longer than that either.

Folks are way too hard on the F-35. It is a beast of a plane, and when the rubber hits the road, it will shoot any other plane outta the sky. I would put my money on the F-35 even smoking an F-22 in a BVR engagement most of the time. I used to hate the look of the F-35, but it really has grown on me.

*The United States being the Soviet Union of the 21st century* ... where serial production of air frame designs, 'being ahead of their time' (insufficient sensors, fire controls, engines - and foremost for the vast Russian territory: operational range) was the rule (Tu-22, Su-160, Mig-29). Cranking out military equipment kept the workforce occupied, though and politically aligned - even when the 'Red' Army reached full text book combat readiness only between 2013 (restoration of divisional organization) and 2020 (end of the vast 21st century state armament program, enabling the Russian Federation to fight along a 'non-contact' doctrine as Marshal *Nikolay Ogarkov* had envisioned in the early 1980s). Since the F-35 'multi-role' fighter isn't a 'stealth' plane - compared to the out of production F-22 interceptor - the question is it's doctrinal role, unable to penetrate Russian, Chinese or their allied air space without taking unsustainable attrition in aircraft and pilots... Who still pays taxes ?

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737MAX

Such is life...lol.

It's funny people who criticise everything Su 57 problems get defensive when F 35 get grounded for software issues and trying to justify it. 😂

Cool video but you have a lot of faith in defense journals that may not be as reliable as you think. This level of insider info is something that no honest RU-vidr claims to have about classified programs.

"Tutto il mondo e' paese", please do not tell the Big Boys out there (EU, USA, Russia, China) as they might become very nervous.

Augusto ti prego, quando fai i video in inglese metti i sottotitoli in inglese... C'ho veramente difficoltà a seguirti, ed i sottotitoli automatici ovviamente toppano... A volte sembri peggio degli indiani 😂 un abbraccio

F-35A is still the best fighter out there.

Bro why is this comments section a warzone

Aircraft maintained like 10,000 violins. Wrong direction.

The F35 has so many flaws that it would be interesting to see him how would performing on the battlefield.

So are you saying the f35 was and over engineered just as the su27 was under engineered? I had a hard time understanding the sound of the video to grasp what it is your comparing between them, i am sorry.

The problem is that the US have crap engineers, especially once it bans all asian-american engineers for "national security" reasons. Tell me of any aeronautical program that's not overbudget, late, and with final products that fail to function.

Personally I think the "oh no " sound is too much , it even makes the whole video seem a bit childish, please don't put it on another video

Whoah im early

"software" THE big problem with USAs development of military equipment is that they do it on an entrepreneurial model. When something needs to be done, they set up a contract and THEN hire people for it. When the job is deemed done ACCORDING TO CONTRACT, nevermind what the buyer actually says or wanted, only the contract is followed to the letter. THEN, everyone who did the work is dropped like a hot potato. So, whenever they need to do work with the same system again, the probability of getting the same people back tends to be slim to none. Even more so because there tends to be years between each project update, meaning the previous iteration of workers have often moved on. This becomes a complete horror story for the F-35, because this is the absolute worst way to deal with software that you can do. And, because the F-35 software is completely designed from bottom up with code specific to F-35. Totally ignoring that the potential advantages of having customwritten code for a system is utterly overshadowed by the fact that you also have to solve all the problems that comes from writing what is essentially a brand new OS from scratch. You can't have "super effective" code when you have no clue how to come up with said code because there's no previous experience to draw knowledge or skill from. The only way to make this work is to figure everything out from scratch, and that takes either brilliant programming or LOTS OF TIME AND EFFORT. For a brilliant programmer to exist, they need the ability to play around with the system, which isn't possible for the US military industry obviously, or they need a good solid base in programming that can be turned into something useful on the new system, and nowadays? With so much focus on highlevel programming? The number of people in USA today that can effectively program binary or assembler for a brand new project can probably be counted on one hand, and they're almost certainly not going to be open to be hired under subpar conditions by the military industry, when they are already hyperdesireable by almost every industry in existance. And in this case, Gripen is the direct opposite and shows how the software SHOULD have been handled. Gripen, instead of going all fresh code, they literally just purchased the basic "off the shelf" standard stuff available and used common established industry standards, while making sure they kept their software team retained as much as possible and always made sure that newly hired people were thoroughly instructed on existing work and standards. So, when found that there was a need for improved protection against hacking, a deal was made with a commercial x86 anti-virus firm to get a cutdown custom-tailored version of their software to replace the previous one. Less than a year work later, they have an excellent firewall built in that can be updated easily from the same updates the AV-firm uses to update their publicly available software. When something roughly similar happened to F-35 project...(because of course it did) Well, the initial attempt took 5 years and resulted in something functional but poor with craptastic performance, but AFAIK, they STILL do not actually have a solid fix for that problem in total. "won't take 6 years" No, more like 60 years... Seriously, this is one of the reasons why people rightfully DO smack down on the F-35. The handling of the project has been subpar from the very start. Most likely, the F-35 will be retired long before it could ever be completely fixed.

F-35 has a bunch of unfixable flaws which would not be fixed before it goes to a scrapyard. Now imagine what a mess 6th gen will be. 😂

This is a very selfish request but..... can you practice pronouncing English words so your content is easier to understand? I only ask because I LOVE your content but have trouble understanding your accent. 😕I'm sorry and I feel bad about asking. I also think it would take your channel to the next level because the majority of your viewers are English speakers. I think it would result in more subscribers. Like I said, I LOVE your content and I want it to flourish and succeed and become a big channel. You make content that NO-ONE else is making on youtube, just like you say! 🙂 Keep up the great work! Yay!

well, theyre both soviet aircraft

The automatic captions are really wacky on this channel. I don't mean that as a personal attack, but I always wondered why French people have such a hard time speaking English. After all, English is basically a mix of French and German, broadly speaking. Most French people speaking English sound as if they have to cough up every word like a cat coughing up a fur ball. It is almost as if they are having a allergic reaction to speaking foreign languages. Germans tend to speak English with a noticeable accent, but they don't seem to struggle like that.

It is official, the F-35B is junk and it is unreliable - some of the relevant information has been in the public domain for some time. If you need specialist confirmation, see if you can get hold of a copy of the ETPS Boscombe Down report, which is extremely critical of the flight control software fitted to the aircraft. The problems with this software have been known about since 2015, and there are still a large number of problems which Lockheed Martin has not fixed, either because it can't or it won't. The UK originally planned to buy 138 F-35Bs, but as a consequence of Lockheed Martin's failure to deliver against specification that order was reduced to 48, with a final total of no more than 70 aircraft, depending on the progress of the FCAS Tempest project.

its a turkey. another crashed yesterday and they cant locate where it is. smells fishy

3:36 - I don't understand what you said there and the captions shows "under attack Polans"